The HxF Mole 2 - Task 19: Lost in Translation

[Kardan]

how is that the group chosing to accept help when gina isn't a majority, being only 33% of the non mole competitors? that's one person lol

Just like in all other tasks certain individuals can (and have) made decisions that the group didn't agree with. There has never been a majority voting system in this competition (we learnt not to do that, since some tasks had that in HxF Mole 1, and it took too long for tasks to even get started).

[CrazyLemurs]

Precisely what helps my point
Frankly, if I'm not part of the game, how did I actually cheat? I'm not involved anymore according to you so I could have just been helping gina with something irl for homework or something

[Kardan]

one person doing it without consulting us is not the group chosing it

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not like it matters now anyway tara has won the vip cause we can't get to 8 anyway

As I've said, visit other tasks.

Intersocial picked orders for speed clicking without the group choosing. Somebody also paired people up for the Contestant's Dilemma without the group choosing. There's many more examples.

[Zelda]

Just like in all other tasks certain individuals can (and have) made decisions that the group didn't agree with. There has never been a majority voting system in this competition (we learnt not to do that, since some tasks had that in HxF Mole 1, and it took too long for tasks to even get started).

you can't then claim that the "group chose to accept the help" though when no1 else even knew it was going to happen........ that's hardly a valid arguement

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it's different from other cases though because this involves cheating not fair stuff

[Kardan]

Precisely what helps my point
Frankly, if I'm not part of the game, how did I actually cheat? I'm not involved anymore according to you so I could have just been helping gina with something irl for homework or something

You didn't cheat, you can't cheat, you're not in the competition. I've not removed VIP because CrazyLemurs cheated. I've removed VIP because the group received the full complete answers from somebody not in the competition. If Gina didn't post the answers that you gave, there would have been no punishment.

And come on, we're adults. Stop being silly. There is no way Gina would have had these 2 exact tasks for homework.

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you can't then claim that the "group chose to accept the help" though when no1 else even knew it was going to happen........ that's hardly a valid arguement

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it's different from other cases though because this involves cheating not fair stuff

It's been made clear that one person can make decisions for the group. Gina chose to accept the help, therefore the group chose to accept the help.

[Charz777]

This is really ridiculous. We set this up so that there was something extra in the forum. A good forum game, not just 'rate the player above'. We thought it would be fun as it was great the last time round. Neither of us have much free time considering we're both doing a difficult degree, and we've taken a lot of time and effort to organise this, so forgive us for not leaping at the chance to spend hours creating 2 new tasks. We thought it was clear that a competition would be for the players and not for someone else to complete the task on their behalf and so we are sorry that this wasn't made clear in the rules but we never expected that something this obvious would come up as an issue. And just to add, we don't get anything for doing this, we don't get VIP or some sort of reward, we did it to be nice, so some people would have a fun group activity on the forum and we thought people would at least be grateful for that if nothing else. Sorry if you think we've messed up, but personally I don't think this is our fault.

[Zelda]

You didn't cheat, you can't cheat, you're not in the competition. I've not removed VIP because CrazyLemurs cheated. I've removed VIP because the group received the full complete answers from somebody not in the competition. If Gina didn't post the answers that you gave, there would have been no punishment.

And come on, we're adults. Stop being silly. There is no way Gina would have had these 2 exact tasks for homework.

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It's been made clear that one person can make decisions for the group. Gina chose to accept the help, therefore the group chose to accept the help.

there is a difference between making decisions for a group and chosing to cheat for the group. the one person who accepted the help should be the one who faces the consequences not the people playing along fairly.

[Kardan]

there is a difference between making decisions for a group and chosing to cheat for the group. the one person who accepted the help should be the one who faces the consequences not the people playing along fairly.

And what is that difference? As I've said, the whole competition has allowed people to make decisions and choices for the group as a whole, if somebody cheats, then that counts as the whole group cheating, and the group should face the consequences.

How can I punish the one player that got help, whilst still offering the days of VIP for the group? The task answers have already been revealed to the whole group.

[Zelda]

And what is that difference? As I've said, the whole competition has allowed people to make decisions and choices for the group as a whole, if somebody cheats, then that counts as the whole group cheating, and the group should face the consequences.

How can I punish the one player that got help, whilst still offering the days of VIP for the group? The task answers have already been revealed to the whole group.

the idea of communal responsibility is a very flawed one, surprised you don't realise that.

i don't really care i'm just thinking for the others here cause i couldn't care less what happens though, so idm.

instead of now checking what's going on with this for the rest of the day since the tasks are done perhaps that time can be used to work out how to punish the one player then?

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anyway because i don't want to argue and this is only a pitiful amount of vip anyway that we lost from this i'll just leave it at that i just thought it seemed rather unfair that was all. do whatever you think is best/want to do

[Kardan]

the idea of communal responsibility is a very flawed one, surprised you don't realise that.

i don't really care i'm just thinking for the others here cause i couldn't care less what happens though, so idm.

instead of now checking what's going on with this for the rest of the day since the tasks are done perhaps that time can be used to work out how to punish the one player then?

Of course it's flawed, only if people don't work together. The whole point of the competition revolves around that point. Non-Moles can wreck the tasks if they want, Skandair did that for Task 12 - he completely wrecked a task, and he wasn't the Mole. So everyone's work went down the drain, because he wanted to annoy people. That's also another example of flawed communal responsibility, but it's part of the game.

And I'm glad you couldn't care less what happens, because nothing will change. The VIP has been split half and half between the group and the Mole because essentially the task was ruined for both sides. So I guess I have to split the disadvantage between everyone.

And how can I punish the one player? The only way possible is to enforce a penalty on the final execution quiz, but is it worth it? The group/Mole have already lost half of their final lot of VIP, and there are no more tasks, so the one player doesn't even have the opportunity to learn from their mistakes.