China knife attack leaves at least 33 dead and 143 wounded

[FlyingJesus]

That's true, but it's also true that guns have evolved since the 1980s. So whats your point.

That your statement was an absolute uneducated lie...

[-:Undertaker:-]

That your statement was an absolute uneducated lie...

No it wasn't.

Most countries are still using 1980s military warfare. Britain is still using or was until recently using, in terms of the RAF, 1980s and 1990s aircraft. The Nimrod was being used still until a few years ago, and that was from the 1960s. Military technology takes decades to develop and bring onto line.

Just have a look at the dates on many of these - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...itary_aircraft

[FlyingJesus]

"Military advances haven't actually moved on that much since that period as due to the ending of the Cold War in the 1980s" that was a complete lie, and you can't get around it by saying that not everyone has taken advantage of the colossal advances that absolutely have happened since that time. Also aircraft aren't the only military apparatus, or even the most used

[Kardan]

No it wasn't.

Most countries are still using 1980s military warfare. Britain is still using or was until recently using, in terms of the RAF, 1980s and 1990s aircraft. The Nimrod was being used still until a few years ago, and that was from the 1960s. Military technology takes decades to develop and bring onto line.

Just have a look at the dates on many of these - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...itary_aircraft

Just because something was created in the 60's doesn't mean it's not been updated since then. I guess everyone is still driving their 1976 Ford Fiestas then and their 1959 Minis.

[-:Undertaker:-]

"Military advances haven't actually moved on that much since that period as due to the ending of the Cold War in the 1980s" that was a complete lie, and you can't get around it by saying that not everyone has taken advantage of the colossal advances that absolutely have happened since that time. Also aircraft aren't the only military apparatus, or even the most used

Military aircraft are key for controlling uprisings. Control of the sky is a key component in putting down any uprising hence why Saddam Hussein in the 1980s/1990s had his airforce knocked out of the sky over Kurdistan in northern Iraq to prevent him from controlling the region.

You can keep repeating lie lie lie all you want, what I say it true and i've just proven it whether it's with the RAF, Royal Navy or even what the soldiers themselves carry - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...._Armed_Forces

Just because something was created in the 60's doesn't mean it's not been updated since then. I guess everyone is still driving their 1976 Ford Fiestas then and their 1959 Minis.

To my knowledge, usually if a gun is upgraded it'll be give a different code which makes it a different model type. In any case, I don't dispute that there haven't been advances - especially in information gathering and data - but broadly overall the weapons used and the military hardware are still that from the end of the Cold War era in the 1980s.

In any case, you still haven't answered my question as to whether you'd fight in the slim chance that you would have freedom (or freedom for your people) or surrender and be turned into a lamp shade. I'd fight.

[Kardan]

Military aircraft are key for controlling uprisings. Control of the sky is a key component in putting down any uprising hence why Saddam Hussein in the 1980s/1990s had his airforce knocked out of the sky over Kurdistan in northern Iraq to prevent him from controlling the region.

You can keep repeating lie lie lie all you want, what I say it true and i've just proven it whether it's with the RAF, Royal Navy or even what the soldiers themselves carry - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...._Armed_Forces



To my knowledge, usually if a gun is upgraded it'll be give a different code which makes it a different model type. In any case, I don't dispute that there haven't been advances - especially in information gathering and data - but broadly overall the weapons used and the military hardware are still that from the end of the Cold War era in the 1980s.

In any case, you still haven't answered my question as to whether you'd fight in the slim chance that you would have freedom (or freedom for your people) or surrender and be turned into a lamp shade. I'd fight.

How is this whole lamp shade thing relevant?

And I'm sure those drones you love to talk about haven't advanced since 1980 either, right?

[-:Undertaker:-]

How is this whole lamp shade thing relevant?

Because I want you to answer what you would do if a tyranny arose and you thought you had little chance of defeating it. Would you still fight and potentially die and *maybe* secure freedom for future generations, or would you be a coward and simply sit back and accept it and maybe end up as a lampshade or soap?

I'm perfectly honest in that I would fight as my ancestors did.

And I'm sure those drones you love to talk about haven't advanced since 1980 either, right?

If you think your going to win by picking out some examples of where the technology has moved on then you are very wrong. I did not say nothing had moved on, I stated that much of the military hardware is from the 1980s/Cold War era - which it is.... which I only had to mention to defeat your ridiculous point of Viet Cong defeating 1970s technology and that somehow governments in 2014 can no longer be brought down. Of course they can.

They [governments with technologically advanced armies] were brought down in the 1700s by the people. Even more advanced armies were defeated in the 1800s by the people. In the early 1900s the same. In the late 1900s the same. And it's the same today with Libya and today in Syria.

[FlyingJesus]

You can keep repeating lie lie lie all you want, what I say it true and i've just proven it whether it's with the RAF, Royal Navy or even what the soldiers themselves carry - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...._Armed_Forces

I haven't looked through every single gun listed but the main issue rifles and carbines came into production in the late 90s originally. Not exactly last week's project but certainly well after the Cold War, and of course that list has nothing to do with the computer warfare advances that have rendered a lot of manpower issues obsolete - what you've really shown is that the guns which you believe will save America from the attacks that will never come anyway haven't progressed nearly as much as the equipment used at the top level of the military which the government controls. It is still an absolute and irrefutable fact that you were wrong when you said that there haven't been military advancements and I can't understand why you don't just admit to not knowing what you were on about rather than pretending that you were right because knives and aviation haven't been fitted with supercomputers

If you think your going to win by picking out some examples of where the technology has moved on then you are very wrong

omf lol IF YOU THINK PROOF THAT I WAS WRONG WILL PROVE I'M WRONG, YOU'RE WRONG

[The Don]

omf lol IF YOU THINK PROOF THAT I WAS WRONG WILL PROVE I'M WRONG, YOU'RE WRONG

Hahahaha, literally couldn't make this up. DON'T USE FACTS WHICH PROVE I'M WRONG IN THIS ARGUMENT!

[Kardan]

Because I want you to answer what you would do if a tyranny arose and you thought you had little chance of defeating it. Would you still fight and potentially die and *maybe* secure freedom for future generations, or would you be a coward and simply sit back and accept it and maybe end up as a lampshade or soap?

I'm perfectly honest in that I would fight as my ancestors did.



If you think your going to win by picking out some examples of where the technology has moved on then you are very wrong. I did not say nothing had moved on, I stated that much of the military hardware is from the 1980s/Cold War era - which it is.... which I only had to mention to defeat your ridiculous point of Viet Cong defeating 1970s technology and that somehow governments in 2014 can no longer be brought down. Of course they can.

They [governments with technologically advanced armies] were brought down in the 1700s by the people. Even more advanced armies were defeated in the 1800s by the people. In the early 1900s the same. In the late 1900s the same. And it's the same today with Libya and today in Syria.

Ok, could you tell me what you would do if a massive asteroid hit the Earth and the only two human beings left alive were yourself and Justin Bieber? I feel that my question is just as relevant about you asking me whether I would end up as a lampshade or soap.

And do any of these governments from the 1700s, 1800s, early 1900s, late 1900s, Libya and Syria have the same technology as the US Military in 2014? No. So it's pointless to compare.