Gay play comments - Police question father

[FlyingJesus]

Opposing views are taught, it's just that when it's views that encroach on the actual rights and lives of others they're quite rightly taught as an unwanted mindset. There's a huge difference for example between teaching that some people don't like oranges (which affects only them) and teaching that eating oranges should be illegal (which affects rather a lot of people) - opinions are fine to have and everyone's free to make yourself look as stupid as you like but trying to put views into action moves it into the realm of the law, especially when it actually affects how someone can or cannot live

[scottish]

You know what will be funny for everyone? Re-setting your post count to 0.

I love how there's no reply...

OT: I don't see the issue

[Thordenhime]

I dont care what your opinion on gay marriage or on homosexuality is demeaning and ostracizing someone for choosing to fall in love because your worried your son might end up gay makes you an absolute plonker and if it takes a visit from the police whos job it is to investigate crimes no matter how small or petty then good for the police for having the common sense to nip this in the bud before it gets out of control as far as im concerned the only people who are bothered by this are homophobes and if you find gay sex immoral i find having 25k post on a habbox radio forum immoral.

[The Don]

Indeed but say at assemblies it should be one week for Stonewall and another for say C4M. Or in Religious Education lessons invite two people in or invite the class to present both sides. Nobody learns anything if they're not presented with two sides of an argument. To know your own argument you need to know the opposing view.

I always remember in RE lessons having to give view A, view B and then my own. It's like onnnnn say abortion or the House of Lords I used to hold different views but I had never looked into the other view properly and when I did many of the arguments I thought made sense crumbled before me and I was forced to change my mind.

So when we teach children about the holocaust and how it was a bad thing should we also bring in some nut who believes it was a good thing? You seem to think that freedom of speech trumps the duty schools have of educating children.

[Empired]

I think we can all tell what we've learned from this thread.

As The Don rightly said, Tallcoolguy700 needs to tour round secondary schools in the country giving Holocaust "revisionist" speeches.

And that the original matter of this thread has been wildly blown out of proportion.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The Holocaust is a historical incident that actually happened, so therefore not comparable to a social issue like gay relationships or marriage of which sections of the population still have reservations about. The comparison is really silly. But @The Don; asks whether I would give the other side on the Holocaust on teaching it... well yes actually I would you'll be horrified to know. I find Holocaust revisionism absolutely absurd, but people ought to be made to think how they actually arrive at certain opinions. How can anybody reach a conclusion on something unless they have heard or been informed of the existence of dissenting opinions?

If a view is so absurd then it will fall apart on cross-examination. Only those who were never reasoned into their views are afraid of a challenge to them. I do find it ironic that those arguing against me portray themselves as open-minded yet here they are arguing with me about the basics of freedom of speech and thought.

I dont care what your opinion on gay marriage or on homosexuality is demeaning and ostracizing someone for choosing to fall in love because your worried your son might end up gay makes you an absolute plonker and if it takes a visit from the police whos job it is to investigate crimes no matter how small or petty then good for the police for having the common sense to nip this in the bud before it gets out of control as far as im concerned the only people who are bothered by this are homophobes and if you find gay sex immoral i find having 25k post on a habbox radio forum immoral.

Mussolini would be proud.

It is unbelievable to me that the dogma of political correctness is now seemingly is triumphing over English liberty and Enlightenment principles of open debate and freedom of thought + speech. The notion of Equality is virtually the new communism which seeks to shut out all dissenting opinion of a utopia that shall never be reached.

[FlyingJesus]

No-one's shutting out opinion or free speech, refer to my previous post. There's no call from any quarter here for people to be silenced, that's just some fiction that you've written

[-:Undertaker:-]

No-one's shutting out opinion or free speech, refer to my previous post. There's no call from any quarter here for people to be silenced, that's just some fiction that you've written

Yes there is.

You've all justified a man having the Police knock on his door for expressing his own opinion on Facebook and you've all argued with me about at least giving the other side of the debate a platform in schools, ie if Stonewall are allowed to present an assembly then the Coalition for Marriage should be able to. Two sides of an argument. So yes you are all wanting to silence dissenting opinions that do not conform to your own and I find that abhorrent.

[FlyingJesus]

Well you're a liar. A lying liar. A lying liar with a lie-bag of deceit. I for one have not said that the police should have done anything about the complaint, and plenty of others have stated that they don't agree with it either. And no, not letting people teach unjustified hatred is not the same thing as actually silencing someone. No-one's invited me to a school to talk in a maths class about how I don't like 6 so no-one should use it, does that mean I'm being silenced by the mathematical community?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well you're a liar. A lying liar. A lying liar with a lie-bag of deceit. I for one have not said that the police should have done anything about the complaint, and plenty of others have stated that they don't agree with it either. And no, not letting people teach unjustified hatred is not the same thing as actually silencing someone. No-one's invited me to a school to talk in a maths class about how I don't like 6 so no-one should use it, does that mean I'm being silenced by the mathematical community?

The fact you believe opposition to gay marriage or even homosexual acts is based on unjustified hatred goes to show how ignorant and clouded in your own views you are. You're seemingly incapable of comprehending the fact that people may hold different opinions to you not because they are evil but for a whole host of different reasons but still might be good people (shock horror!) just they disagree with you. And if so confident you are of your own opinions, why not allow them to be challenged in public? What do you fear?

A prisoner of your own thoughts as the late Christopher Hitchens put it in the video above. Let's not allow everybody else to become a prisoner of them too.