[HxHD] Why isnt manager allowed to own room?

[timROGERS]

Spectate, Calzeh, Eckuii, Re-Call, Krypsis, me, Hecktix, WiseBen, Intellexual (I believe...), Bren-Element, Dan2nd, Immenseman, NintendoNews

I've been searching for a good HxHD manager list for a while. I was there throughout all of them

People in this forum seem too interested in their own petty arguments to actually care about the future of Habbox.

[Alkaz]

I've been searching for a good HxHD manager list for a while. I was there throughout all of them

People in this forum seem too interested in their own petty arguments to actually care about the future of Habbox.

https://habbox.com/site//content/view/3353/312/

Didnt have to look too far

[GommeInc]

That's why we've had to fire managers in the past

So why did you hire them when they won't stay for long? That's the issue here. Hire them the same way you hire an AGM, because both are relatively the same anyway.

Since DJ-3000 the following have been HxHD Manager and left/been removed:

Spectate, Calzeh, Eckuii, Re-Call, Krypsis, me, Hecktix, WiseBen, Intellexual (I believe...), Bren-Element, Dan2nd, Immenseman, NintendoNews

The following have been (A)GMs post-DJ and have left/been removed:

8Freak8, Baving, Seacat, Adzeh, jrh2002.

And my point is:

There aren't alot of AGMs at one given time and AGMs are guaranteed to last longer because they're chucked more jobs, thus responsibility which gives them a reason to stay. Perhaps one of the HxHD Managers could be promoted to an AGM, because the criteria suggests they can; anyone with loads of jobs and has been on Habbox for a very long time.

Also, there were usually three to four AGMs at a time while only one HxHD Manager (with the exception of Calzeh and Immenseman). (A)GMs simply stay longer.

Because of more responsibility, they have more jobs and if they quit one manager job or editor job, they still have other jobs to fall on.

Actually, I don't really have a management job anymore, Staff Editor is part of my AGM job (I'm AGM-Staff) and VIP Editor is my additional job. So really I only have two jobs now Joshuar has one. Immenseman is the only one with a Manager job, and he does a bang-up job of it anyway.

None of which seem to "Assist the General Manager" though, they seem like Senior Management jobs and infact are. An AGM job is just a Managers job except worded differently:

Staff Editor = Staff Manager
VIP Editor = VIP Manager

Part of the ever confusing circle of Habbox terminology and sense.

Nothing, when you get the facts straight The comment wasn't addressed at you anyway, although I disagree with you you're a skilled debater and at least argue your case based on principle or known fact

So why doesn't Habbox make sense and base itself around known teminology, fact and principles? It doesn't have to be different, and that's why there are issues. I've never seen so many negative threads in the feedback forum :S

But they will remain as Habbox Staff and continue owning the Help Desk

How? They could chuck owning/managing the Help Desk down the drain if they wanted, and keep their other jobs and still exist as an AGM because the criteria as it seems is someone with a mixture of jobs on Habbox, which don't include Editor jobs by the looks of Adzeh (I think) and Immenseman.

Ok, so if someone manages a big department store like Macy's but is also on the Town Council, is a Councilman the same as a Macy's Manager? Or if you class those as both high level and thus invalid, the Councilman could even be a realtor who is low down in their business or something, and the Council is their high job while a realtor is their "less important" job, but that still doesn't make Councilman the same title as Realtor.

Nope, because they're both different companies / areas. Habbox is like one big 'company.' Someone could work there way through one department and at the same time work there way through another. After a few years, they qualify for the AGM role because they've shown dedication, time and effort for Habbox and quality for the title and jobs.

If the Macy's Manager who was also a Council person lived in the same town which somehow ran like a huge company, where each company has no owner but are technically owned by the Town Mayor (or owner it would seem) then maybe, but it seems of scale and bizarre the comparison

[Shrlurp]

Hey scott/everyone,

I'm sure I understand what you are getting at and I know it could be done.

But don't you think it would be a total failure if every 6 months a new room was made, HxHD would be quiet, no-one would know where the desk is and people would loose intrest.

NVR has owned the desk for a while now and we have 'long-term' users who prefer it this way.

In my opinion I feel no need to swoop the rooms, yes maybe the layout could be changed, yes maybe more people, like me, need rights. But these are small issues that can be dealt with without making dramatic changes to a (say what you like) successful department.

I'm sure NVR would be happy to take your suggestions on a room layout and HxHD super staff will contact NVR in the need of rights.

Thank you for your feedback Scott

[e5safetyban]

8freak8 and DJ-3000 were on alot more often so it was easier for them to own it with no problems. With nvrspk's time zone, it's hard for him to actually get on, so I agree with the thread starter :8

[Shrlurp]

8freak8 and DJ-3000 were on alot more often so it was easier for them to own it with no problems. With nvrspk's time zone, it's hard for him to actually get on, so I agree with the thread starter :8

Why does he have to come on regularly?

I cannot see why NVRs timezone effects you.

It effects the staff in the smallest way possible.

[Dan2nd]

Why does he have to come on regularly?

I cannot see why NVRs timezone effects you.

It effects the staff in the smallest way possible.

That is a point I agree with Jake. The only real thing which effects you guys the users is the lack of layout changes which fair enough could be done more often. Everything else such as rights being given out or being reset etc etc is something that only us the staff should really be worrying about and I've gotta say as assistant manager no, i'm not really worried about that at the current time as I received my rites in a matter of hours after I was promoted to a level when I needed them.

[DJ-Ains.T]

I agree with this.

[Galaxay]

[quote=nvrspk4;4678273]Insulting people gains you no respect Scott. It just shows that you're getting frustrated and resort to insults to win.quote]

I don't believe that was an insult? Also at that "gains you no respect", what makes you think i need respect on an online forum? :S It wouldnt make a difference to me if everyone on this forum despised me, or if everyone on this forum loves me..

[nvrspk4]

https://habbox.com/site//content/view/3353/312/

Didnt have to look too far

Are you serious I did that by hand =[ Lmao.

Hope this could help answer some things. + dont flame me.

having been in the position of having to constantly kick a banned user, yes it does get annoying but after a few minutes the user stops entering the desk. An Assistant General Manager does currently own the help desk, Nvrspk4. Jake owning the desk is a valid option, however he doesn't want to.

It is to my understanding that Immenseman (Jake) has no desire to own the HxHD.

No, being rich isn't everything. However if you have next to no items and had to build the HxHD, you may be in for trouble.

I still believe the desk should not be owned by a manager. There would be many complications when the manager resigns, or gets fired. If the manager was fired users would still visit their desk, living of HxHD's popularity. Furthermore not only would a new manager have to be appointed, but they would also be required to design a new desk and assure everyone is aware that the room owner has changed.

I would have been here for the next 3 years - I'd been in the department for 3 and I had no intention to leaving.

I know it is likely that people will expect otherwise, but I definetly agree with nvr! The first point is certainly true - I can understand the argument for not allowing managers to own the desk - turnover is quite high for the department and it's the sort of department that could be highly effected by a manager who quits/gets fired and then goes haywire. It's good for someone in a very high Habbox position to own the desk simply because they are the most likely to stay a long while, and desk moves will confuse the users who need the desk most.

As for the second point, I also agree. Having the manager own the staff entrances is by far the best option. The passwords were leaked many times during my time as HxHD manager, and being the owner of the entrances allows for a rapid and appropriate response which is very important for a leading help desk.

Finally, I definetly disagree with people's opinion that nvr is hard to get hold of. I personally never had any problem with obtaining rights and other things from nvr. He was always timely in setting up people's permissions and I could always get rights in good time after a reset.

Tim

Hey scott/everyone,

I'm sure I understand what you are getting at and I know it could be done.

But don't you think it would be a total failure if every 6 months a new room was made, HxHD would be quiet, no-one would know where the desk is and people would loose intrest.

NVR has owned the desk for a while now and we have 'long-term' users who prefer it this way.

In my opinion I feel no need to swoop the rooms, yes maybe the layout could be changed, yes maybe more people, like me, need rights. But these are small issues that can be dealt with without making dramatic changes to a (say what you like) successful department.

I'm sure NVR would be happy to take your suggestions on a room layout and HxHD super staff will contact NVR in the need of rights.

Thank you for your feedback Scott

That is a point I agree with Jake. The only real thing which effects you guys the users is the lack of layout changes which fair enough could be done more often. Everything else such as rights being given out or being reset etc etc is something that only us the staff should really be worrying about and I've gotta say as assistant manager no, i'm not really worried about that at the current time as I received my rites in a matter of hours after I was promoted to a level when I needed them.

I'm going to rest my case here. Five HxHD staff have posted. All five don't see a problem with the current system. The issues raised would effect staff more than anyone else with the exception of the layout, and that has absolutely nothing to do with timezone. So I'm sorry but you can theorize as much as you like, but it seems to me that the people who it effects the most don't particularly mind...