Forum going down hill?

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah, I see where you're coming from now.. I just remember the council failing.. or that's what I classify it as

Yeah it was definitely a failure lol

Haven't read the whole thread so don't shoot me if it's been said, but maybe it's because it's 1 month before people have big exams, and is possibly the biggest school/college month of the year and people's work loads have stopped them from posting and instead they just have a quick look around the forum. It's what I do anyway.

Habbox > education tbh

[GommeInc]

Need more arguments.

Somewhere along the lines, someone got it in to there heads that arguments and conflict of opinion were somehow bad for the forum. On this basis habbox has worked to remove the members who caused and entered in to arguments - now its starting to win, the forums dieing....

why? because coming to a forum to say, "ya i agree" to everything is a waste of time and downright boring. People need to be able to disagree, have totally conflicting views and discuss them without threads being closed because "arguments are teh bad" - people see these threads, have opinions and join in, some members will even join just to join in. Arguments that consist of "u sux" are pointless, sure. arguments that consist of two differing opinions over an issue on the other hand, even if it becomes heated are not bad, and are the lifeblood of most successful forums.

Make this forum a good place to talk, to discuss, to debate, people will talk. make it one where any real discussion is met with closed topics and banned, people will just go somewhere else. simple as that really

That said, this thread (more aless) is a yearly occurrence, and my reply (more aless) is a yearly response to it - and as far as i can see, the forums still here and chugging along, so i doubt it'll be all that different next year

Totally agree. Alot of places seem to think the word "argument" is a bad word, loads of forums follow this and it's come from absolutely no where :S An argument is like a box filled with opinions and facts, you give this box to another person, to which they reply with a box of their own facts and opinions. But according to this forum and quite alot of others, an argument consists purely of flaming, swearing and name calling - THIS IS NOT TRUE. Moderators who think an argument is bad need a kick in the teeth, and members who think this too require the same treatment. Nothing is more frustrating than a forum that clearly doesn't understand the backbone and fibre of a forum; arguments, discussions and open debate. Something that seems to die off.

Not forgeting the "pointless post" edits. A pointless post should be pointless, since when were posts unrelated to the forum subject pointless?! Posts that relate to other posts should be allowed, an example is in this thread, where kk. got the evil red edit :rolleyes:

Haven't read the whole thread so don't shoot me if it's been said, but maybe it's because it's 1 month before people have big exams, and is possibly the biggest school/college month of the year and people's work loads have stopped them from posting and instead they just have a quick look around the forum. It's what I do anyway.

It's been pretty dead since long before exams were even being thought of.

[Black_Apalachi]

Oli's point about how Habbo now throw all the news in your face is true (although I disagree that the homepage is better than the old one ). The homepage is full of headlines and latest events, then the client is full of it and you even get emails every time something happens. He also mentioned the discussion forums that are on every group page.

Behind all this, the Official Fansites page is tucked away. Out of the minority who may happen to venture over it, based on how it was looking last time I checked, I can't imagine more than a fair few ever following any of the links onto Habbox or any other fansite.

I think Habbox should avoid following this mistake as well. For example, the last time I saw the Habbo Homes of sierk and nvrspk4, they were really bare and uninviting. The least they could do is spruce them up a bit so they look half exciting and at least make a good impression of Habbox. If they don't have the time, just give Alkaz their passwords for a day and he'll do a nice job of it. Maybe it would be an idea to get all of Habbox management to display some sort of link to HabboxForum on their Homes, something uniform that would be easily recognisable. Or if there's a Habbox Group, encourage managers and staff alike to wear the group badge as much as possible.

We need something big to initially attract people from Habbo and hopefully they'll realise Habbox Forum is here and will want to participate in discussions. What's the one thing everyone on Habbo wants? Furni. I think Habbox needs to start doing big competitions and events on a regular basis, not just the usual caption competition or whatever to win 3HCs, so people get used to the fact that the more they come here, the more chance they have of winning a lot of furni. This means that while events taking place on Habbo are letting everybody know about Habbox, the competitions on the forum are keeping them here.

[Titch]

Oli's point about how Habbo now throw all the news in your face is true (although I disagree that the homepage is better than the old one ). The homepage is full of headlines and latest events, then the client is full of it and you even get emails every time something happens. He also mentioned the discussion forums that are on every group page.

Behind all this, the Official Fansites page is tucked away. Out of the minority who may happen to venture over it, based on how it was looking last time I checked, I can't imagine more than a fair few ever following any of the links onto Habbox or any other fansite.

I think Habbox should avoid following this mistake as well. For example, the last time I saw the Habbo Homes of sierk and nvrspk4, they were really bare and uninviting. The least they could do is spruce them up a bit so they look half exciting and at least make a good impression of Habbox. If they don't have the time, just give Alkaz their passwords for a day and he'll do a nice job of it. Maybe it would be an idea to get all of Habbox management to display some sort of link to HabboxForum on their Homes, something uniform that would be easily recognisable. Or if there's a Habbox Group, encourage managers and staff alike to wear the group badge as much as possible.

We need something big to initially attract people from Habbo and hopefully they'll realise Habbox Forum is here and will want to participate in discussions. What's the one thing everyone on Habbo wants? Furni. I think Habbox needs to start doing big competitions and events on a regular basis, not just the usual caption competition or whatever to win 3HCs, so people get used to the fact that the more they come here, the more chance they have of winning a lot of furni. This means that while events taking place on Habbo are letting everybody know about Habbox, the competitions on the forum are keeping them here.

Yeh, i have to agree there, i for one remeber the reason i came to this forum was becuase i used to listen to adzeh's and hayley's "Win a throne" comp every thursday. I know you may not have the resources for things like that, but bigger prizes could still be used? I know i am happy to always dig-deep in to my habbo rooms and donate large amounts if your getting low.

The bigger habbox prsence gets on habbo the more visiors it will attrack. Maby its even worth getting a offical maze of mats, or some sort of offical maze, becuase then you will again have a popular room (hopefully) with the habbox name being shown to all to see and hopefully visit.

[The Professor]

Been discussed before, and deemed totally unnecessary. Having been part of the leadership of the old council and then community manager I can say that such a role is not needed. Where are we right now? The feedback forum, where ideas and discussions such as those you're both wanting can take place and aren't exclusive to just older members. Of course those of us who've been around longer may know the place better but some newer members have good ideas too and a lot of the veterans are frankly no use when it comes to tactical thinking or have their own agendas

Aye but threads in feedback quickly become an unorganised mess and you also get input from those... lesser informed members As good an democratic as that sounds the thread can get derailed having to explain why things aren't possible and stuffs like that. A focus group set up for this purpose with its own forum and stuff would at least keep things on track and organised, we'd just have to make sure Jin is an integral part of it and make sure we cause uproar when he shoots everything down

Of course we could use the feedback forum for ideas too, it just isn't in the right format to get things moving.

[cocaine]

he should stay banned, dont think ive seen an argument in a month... all his private joke with other users have stopped also

and yeah i agree, new skins, new more SIMPLER and less clutteredHabbox design and relaunch the forum in the new year or something lol

initt, private jokes are quite annoyingg when posted publically

[-:Undertaker:-]

Drags u back 2 habbox >;[
slaps :@

neways on topic
jin is trying very hard he cant do EVERYTHING *looks at nvr.* whenever i go 2 speak 2 him he has 2 fix this
or fire this person
or hire this person
or sort this department
in all fairness 2 him hes doing everything he can
rare values - it needs updating but im sure they r working hard on it.
forum - i just said sumthing 2 matt but i know him and garion are trying.
the radio - we have events coming up 2 hopefully boost listners jess and mell again are trying.
things are trying to be done.. we just have 2 hope they work

The values are now being updated daily and that won't be stopping, as for the page in general we're tidying it up and trying to add as many extra features/rares that we can, its such a big job though that it's well over 200 new rares we're going to have to add, not to mention the fact that we've got to re-add most of the present rares (already done a lot of them) because they either have the wrong names or wrong picture.

On the forum itself, cut back on the forums. It makes me really question why sub-forums such as Smiddys Shack were targeted even though they got a fair amount of posts, yet other forums such as the Report Rare Values (now sorted) were left, which had no recent posts at all.

[FlyingJesus]

Aye but threads in feedback quickly become an unorganised mess and you also get input from those... lesser informed members As good an democratic as that sounds the thread can get derailed having to explain why things aren't possible and stuffs like that. A focus group set up for this purpose with its own forum and stuff would at least keep things on track and organised, we'd just have to make sure Jin is an integral part of it and make sure we cause uproar when he shoots everything down

Of course we could use the feedback forum for ideas too, it just isn't in the right format to get things moving.

The problem is that makes it appear as though only those members in the group have a real say on any changes, and even with the most articulate and intelligent members there can be poor decisions made. I don't expect people to agree with everything I say (that's a lie I do really but I'm making a point) but I wouldn't want my ideas going unread just because I hadn't been here long if I was a fairly new member, and having to explain why something may or may not be possible makes a thread stronger if anything - otherwise we might as well just have locked polls where you can't discuss a matter, only vote and leave it at that. What you're suggesting looks exactly like one of the roles for the Community staff of old and the Council before it, both of which were unnecessary and failed because it was a job upper management were doing anyway and with more mandate to do so

On the forum itself, cut back on the forums. It makes me really question why sub-forums such as Smiddys Shack were targeted even though they got a fair amount of posts, yet other forums such as the Report Rare Values (now sorted) were left, which had no recent posts at all.

Well it's obv worth taking away the biggest conversation thread on the forum and demoting it to spam if it'll save half a millisecond page loading times...
Still a fair bit of forum pruning to do methinks, even if it's not started the right way

[hah]

for rare values get of of the things where you click the rare and it adds it up like hhgs had

[Robbie]

for rare values get of of the things where you click the rare and it adds it up like hhgs had

Send Jake (infrequent) a PM with more information and if he likes the idea he'll probably get me to code it