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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    The Conservative Party is no longer conservative at all in nature, although i'd like to point out that the majority of the British public want out of the European Union despite what the main parties may think (because a lot of people from the main parties, especially the Labour Party, go on to have nice gold-plated jobs within the European Union; Mandelson, Kinnocks and so on).

    The point on immigration if fairly straightforward and simple yet as usual you (the left) attempt to portray me and UKIP (the right in general) of being totally against immigration - well you are wrong. Although you can turn around and stop immigration fully (a sovereign state has that power if it wished to do so) that would be working against yourself as immigration does help the economy, the point however which the left just refuses to grasp is that we need controls over immigration so that we only allow those whom we need/who are not criminals into the country. Infact you yourself have now flip flopped, first you started off with saying you support a tougher immigartipn policy that Laboyur are apparently implementing and now you are saying that controlling immigration is madness - one or the other, which is it?

    The European Union - nobody is saying lets stop trading with Europe therefore no jobs would be lost - that is a total and utter lie spun by the main parties who attempt to fight popular opinion with that message. The cost on British business each each from our European Union membership and the regulations that come from it every single day are over £100 billion per year. That is not good for trade and neither is the European Union free trade, it is a secular trade bloc which is a small and declining part of the world and it would be far better for us to return to trading with our Commonwealth friends more (if you wish for us to stay within trade blocs) because nations like India are within the Commonwealth which within a few years, may even surpass the strength of the entire European economy put together.

    Trade with Europe, yes.
    Friends with Europe, yes.
    Ruled by Europe, no.



    Because they earned it.

    Why do some people need a big back garden? - lets take it away from them.
    Why do some people have a nice living room? - lets take it away from them.
    Why do some people have a nicer car than others do? - lets take it away from them.

    In other words its jealously, its because its theirs and not yours to take away from them - they earned it, you didnt therefore its their right to choose what to do with it. The rich provide the poor with jobs and without the rich, you would not have jobs and thus the poor would be made poorer and plunged into more poverty. Please just take a look at history at nations which tried socialism and failed, including our very own. In the 1970s that system did come into play and with other contributing factors, it destroyed the economy. The basic principle of what you have just told me is the same principle that the North Korean economy is ran on - and look at the state of it.
    I am very tired right now so I might be talking crap below, but I think I am correct:

    Dont Convervatives want to reduce taxes for the richest people "/
    So let the rich become richer?

    David Cameron says people on £20,000 are not rich. Why then is he proposing to cut support for households earning over £16,000?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav. View Post
    I am very tired right now so I might be talking crap below, but I think I am correct:

    Dont Convervatives want to reduce taxes for the richest people "/
    So let the rich become richer?

    David Cameron says people on £20,000 are not rich. Why then is he proposing to cut support for households earning over £16,000?
    All taxes on earnings need to be cut and once out of the debt as a nation I support a flat tax meaning we all pay a low tax however the solution to lift ourselves out of that debt is to slash taxes on small business and the general population first, but you should not tax the rich more because it loses you revenue as they simply move away as they did in the 1970s. The Conservatives are proposing something like £10 billion worth of cuts and the Labour Party and Liberal Democrats propose smaller cuts, this is all totally and utterly irrelvent to the debt because it is over £1 trillion - we pay more on our debt interest than we do on the entire education/military budget.

    We need savage cuts to the public sector and state spending whilst also drastically cutting taxes for business and the general population because believe it or not, revenue actually increases for the state when you slash taxes because people have more money to spend, thus more business prospers and government actually takes in more tax. It is the same idea Margaret Thatcher used in Britain in the 1980s and the same with Ronald Reagan over in the United States which George H Bush actually described as 'voodoo economics' but it actually worked. The worst thing an incoming government can possibly do at this stage is to raise taxes on any section of our countries workforce whether it be the rich or the poor, or the business down your street.
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