BNP 'turning into Ukip'

[Catzsy]

You've proven my point.
They're the same, so i ask why should Burqas be allowed and balaclavas not?
Being in the UK has no relevance.

Of course it has - the reason there are bans on balaclavas in some place in britain is because of the crime associated with them. It is a social problem here. There is no problem with crime because of women wearing burquas. The google link you posted was for all over the world with 'men' wearing them and none for uk. How on earth have I proved your point?

[Swastika]

Of course it has - the reason there are bans on balaclavas in some place in britain is because of the crime associated with them. It is a social problem here. There is no problem with crime because of women wearing burquas. The google link you posted was for all over the world with 'men' wearing them and none for uk. How on earth have I proved your point?

Your link contained reports from all over the world not just the UK, so the UK has no relevance.
You proved me right by posting that because it has just as many crimes reports as the Burqa did, hence why Burqas shouldn't be accepted if balaclavas aren't.

[-:Undertaker:-]

But it isn't so that is just a spurious argument. How many muslim women wearing burquas committed a criminal act in the last year? Banning of motorbike helmets, hoodys (with hoods up)
and balaclavas are frequently used to avoid identification whilst committing a crime. The banning of them has nothing to do with the fact a muslim woman wears a burqua or religion at all - it is to stop crime and It is common sense. Also to Wig44 this was the argument for banning it in France but actually lots of women do it voluntarily and it has nothing to with being oppressed more of an expression of their religious faith.

You're really not reading what im putting. Yes the point is to do that, but its a part of their fath therefore its fine. If a policeman wanted to say check if there was a criminal underneath, then yeah fair does, go for it.

Thats pretty much what a burqa is, so yes, if its a part of their religion and faith then go for it.

I dont feel like im getting anywhere so unless you come up with a new arguement, reread what ive been posting til you understand.

The burka is not part of the islamic faith, it is on the other hand a sign of cultural oppression in which men used to order their women to dress up and keep covered as they were the property of the men - very backward and yes, it has evolved (in some cases) as merely a cultural symbol.

However if we are going to have rules then they must be applied fairly across the board.

[MrPinkPanther]

Okay, here is where i prove you both wrong.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-tribunal.html

Answer me that?

Totally agree. It's unfair that Christian nurses can't wear crosses and Muslim nurses can wear Burqas...oh wait...no...no they can't. Before you try to make a "point" at least do some basic research.

The burka is not part of the islamic faith, it is on the other hand a sign of cultural oppression in which men used to order their women to dress up and keep covered as they were the property of the men - very backward and yes, it has evolved (in some cases) as merely a cultural symbol.

However if we are going to have rules then they must be applied fairly across the board.

The Burqa is a part of the Islamic faith, it all depends on the specific persons interpretation of the Qur'an. Some interpret the Qur'an teachings as only covering the hair while others interpret it as covering the whole bodies. It's much like how in Christianity you have people with different kind's of beliefs and interpretations of the Bible.

[Swastika]

However if we are going to have rules then they must be applied fairly across the board.

This, Undertaker - do you agree that if balaclavas are banned from workplaces, then the Burqa must also?

[-:Undertaker:-]

The Burqa is a part of the Islamic faith, it all depends on the specific persons interpretation of the Qur'an. Some interpret the Qur'an teachings as only covering the hair while others interpret it as covering the whole bodies. It's much like how in Christianity you have people with different kind's of beliefs and interpretations of the Bible.

Indeed it does, but the burka is not a needed part of the islamic faith - it derides from the culture of islam and not the religion itself, I suppose a similarity would be the wooden cross many people have on their walls (especially in Italy both in public buildings and schools for example) - however the burka is far more of a potential issue for an employer/public issue than a chain cross around the neck of somebody.

The claim that the burka should be allowed under all circumstances under religious grounds is utter nonsense.

This, Undertaker - do you agree that if balaclavas are banned from workplaces, then the Burqa must also?

I do agree, however in the private sector I would say it is down to the employeer (however at the moment helmets and balaclavas may be banned by private employeers such as the Primark example I gave, but not the burka - I do not agree with that as it would not be allowed the other way around under the law; as in the burka being banned but not balaclavas).

The ideal system should be that there are no laws/rules on these sorts of religious issues thus private employees can decide what they have as their uniform policy without the state telling them what to do - and the state (so schools, councils etc) should have a blanket rule which would mean if I can't wear a balaclava while working in a classroom, a burka would not be allowed either.

[FlyingJesus]

My faith and beliefs require me to be naked at all times, with nailbombs strapped to each and every appendage of my body if I go out in public. This is my faith, therefore it is right for the country to not only allow it, but have it a punishable offense to attempt to stop me. Have at thee, NaughtyNimbus3000

[Soy]

ukip is the future,

shame not enough people vote for them

i like most of the bnp's beliefs and just want a party thats more strict on immagration