Compulsory "Post What You're Listening to" winge thread

[GommeInc]

The desired outcome is not having thousands upon thousandsof non-responsive, non-discussive posts counting as though they were useful and part of something proper. No speculation needed about that, and like I say the rest actually has nothing to do with that point

That's a statement of a desired outcome, but to get to that outcome speculation is needed. You of all people should know that change does not happen so smoothly Besides, it's just a post count - no one takes it seriously and the thread itself seems to lack any blatant "posting for post count posts". Only one member seems to be posting often, and they only have 2,000 odd posts. If it was there just to increase post count then those members will be long gone before getting anywhere. No one has that much time on their hands.

Chirs =/= many people

Neversoft, The Don, Undertaker, Infectious, Richie.... Eoin247 seems to be jumping between the two camps.

I don't think not having a post count in such a thread qualifies as a "punishment", and that suggestion in the link as far as I'm aware has been revoked

I never said this, I said that not actively engaging in discussion should not result in punishment, something Chippiewill suggested could be a penalty for spamming the thread (which isn't spammed in anyway, might I add). This suggestion was argued against, and as you stated, was revoked.

Those things are speculation yes, but have nothing to do with the main point and are merely follow-ons

They are still actively engaging in the forces for change. The main point is to remove post count, and both sides are speculating for or against it. They are not follow ons, they are forces for and against change. It's how change theory works.

More discussion threads is a bad thing? As for less posts, I'd much rather have a smaller amount of interesting and discussive posts than a multitude of one line posts that no-one actually responds to. Otherwise we might as well be Twitter

Words in mouth syndrome is an undesirable quality :rolleyes: Read what I said. The thread cannot be made to actively discuss songs individually, as the forum it sits in is made for that use. Something you've been stating for a while now (Post 26 etc. etc.) *hand on head*

It's a bad time to be looking at the usergroups of people in any thread at the moment since VIP is on sale, so pretty much all active users have it for the time being. That aside, it's extremely clear that the thread doesn't exist for true interest as there is absolutely no response to anything from anyone within it. There are pages upon pages between even so much as an "oh I love that song!" post, so regardless of whether people are posting there to increase their counts or out of boredom it does not in any way qualify as an active discussion thread - that and only that is the real point

VIP or not, members have got to work very hard to get any worth while benefits from their supposedly spamming the thread. Also, some people prefer to read threads rather than reply. The Don stated one use of the thread and that's what people are generally listening to. Whether there is discussion or not, it serves a purpose - to post what you are listening to. As post counts aren't important these days, the thread doesn't really have any major flaws :/

[Catzsy]

Well to start with this is a very constructive thread with highly mature content but the way I see it those discussing it are mostly all 18 +. I feel what we have to remember is that a lot of members are a lot younger and I am in a good postion to be able to gauge the age of the intake and therefore they cannot really be expected to post threads with content as mature as you guys do and surely they cannot be expected too. As long as the thread does promote active discussion whether the content is eloquent or not then it should be allowed. I am not saying that super spamming of loads of threads that blocks the new posts view that happened awhile ago by somebody who shall be nameless should be allowed.

The 'what you are listening to' thread is moderated and if somebody could not physically listen to as much as they say they are listening to then action would be taken. I feel that if those who feel there are too many pointless threads should report them and they will be considered individually - no not the stickied ones! The forum is for all ages, all levels of maturity and lack of it so 'live and let live'.

[FlyingJesus]

There
is
no
discussion
in
that
thread.

End story. The "there's no harm being done" argument can be used for just about everything that's pointless or nonsensical, it's a complete non-argument. There'd be no "harm" in making a pink and orange clashing skin, there'd be no "harm" in creating an official poll to see what everyone's favourite breed of horse is, there'd be no "harm" in merging all of the categories into one and just having a list of forums, but none of these are good ideas. Rosie has put it best in her reply:

As long as the thread does promote active discussion

And that really is that. Non-discussive threads ought not to have a post count.


As for the one person who's very active in that thread Ryan, you may have shot yourself in the foot there - about 20% of her posts are from that thread alone, which as far as I'm aware is a pretty sizeable chunk to be getting from not actually talking to anyone

[xxMATTGxx]

I haven't read all of the pages but if there's no discussion in the music one do you agree that there is no discussion is any other "Post Your" thread then?

This reminds me of the time when "Post Your" threads got banned and around four different members were temp banned due to protesting and a Forum Moderator was also fired. The times of being a Forum Moderator back then!

[Chris]

Just so everyone is aware, THIS thread has just been moved to spam because it was created purely to prove a point and therefore isnt a legitimate thread.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm with Ryan on this all the way.

Tom, why are you so bothered about something that has gone on on this forum for years and help keep the forum active? i'm not that keen on 'post your' threads myself because they're just not in my interest, but I do understand that many people on this forum who prefer topics such as music do like posting what they're listening to and viewing what others are listening to - at the same time they also like having their post count upped, as do most of us. So here's an idea, if you don't like it - then don't read it.

In the same way that I find Spam mostly boring and often don't read the discussions there.

As for the one person who's very active in that thread Ryan, you may have shot yourself in the foot there - about 20% of her posts are from that thread alone, which as far as I'm aware is a pretty sizeable chunk to be getting from not actually talking to anyone

Why does it matter where she got her post count from? provided she's not double posted/had it jacked up then I don't see the problem.

[FlyingJesus]

I haven't read all of the pages but if there's no discussion in the music one do you agree that there is no discussion is any other "Post Your" thread then?

As far as I'm aware, although apparently there is some discussion in the technology ones. I'd have thought that having literally hundreds of posts go by without anyone actually replying to each other would make it fairly apparent

Tom, why are you so bothered about something that has gone on on this forum for years and help keep the forum active? i'm not that keen on 'post your' threads myself because they're just not in my interest, but I do understand that many people on this forum who prefer topics such as music do like posting what they're listening to and viewing what others are listening to - at the same time they also like having their post count upped, as do most of us.

I'd like to have my post count upped by posting what I'm looking at or my current thoughts on mayonnaise, doesn't mean it's justified and should happen. I haven't ever said that the thread ought not to be allowed, and I've posted a very easy way in which post count could be taken out of it without changing anything else, so it's not like I'm trying to take away anyone's ability to post one line responses to a title

So here's an idea, if you don't like it - then don't read it.

In the same way that I find Spam mostly boring and often don't read the discussions there.

If you don't like news about what the EU's up to don't read it. That really is not a solution to anything

[Stephen]

I'm with Ryan on this all the way.

Tom, why are you so bothered about something that has gone on on this forum for years and help keep the forum active? i'm not that keen on 'post your' threads myself because they're just not in my interest, but I do understand that many people on this forum who prefer topics such as music do like posting what they're listening to and viewing what others are listening to - at the same time they also like having their post count upped, as do most of us. So here's an idea, if you don't like it - then don't read it.

In the same way that I find Spam mostly boring and often don't read the discussions there.



Why does it matter where she got her post count from? provided she's not double posted/had it jacked up then I don't see the problem.

I see it as a way to spam without breaking the rules

Post count shouldn't rise in that thread and anyone who says otherwise can taste my fist

WALALALALALALALA

that is my war cry

[Chippiewill]

why are you so bothered about something that has gone on on this forum for years

You've made another logical fallacy here (You seriously have a problem). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition .. Point is moot.

and help keep the forum active?

Allowing random stuff like "dgfjksdgjsdjkgjksdgnkjds" everywhere would help keep the forum active, doesn't make it beneficial.

i'm not that keen on 'post your' threads myself because they're just not in my interest, but I do understand that many people on this forum who prefer topics such as music do like posting what they're listening to and viewing what others are listening to

People can make threads about current artists or songs and why they like them. In fact I'd be fine if people talked about the song and why it's good or about that good guitar bit in the song, but "$artist - $song" is not promoting active discussion, which is what IS missing from this forum and IS why this forum is dying. Also if Catzsy's case of being physically possible to listen to then I'll set up a script to automated posting in that thread from what I've listened to on last.fm. That is if one post every three minutes or 480 posts every 24 hours is SERIOUSLY acceptable then fine, this forum really has gone to the dogs.

Why does it matter where she got her post count from? provided she's not double posted/had it jacked up then I don't see the problem.

Posting in PWYLT is jacking it up.

I haven't read all of the pages but if there's no discussion in the music one do you agree that there is no discussion is any other "Post Your" thread then?

Crucial difference is some others DO have active discussion.

[GommeInc]

As for the one person who's very active in that thread Ryan, you may have shot yourself in the foot there - about 20% of her posts are from that thread alone, which as far as I'm aware is a pretty sizeable chunk to be getting from not actually talking to anyone

20% of 2,000 posts? 400 posts - that's not a lot to match up to the Ranking System She's VIP too so posts do not mean anything to her. I don't think posts have meant anything for years on this forum VIP or not Besides, is she not expressing her like for music? One key use of a forum is to express yourself and she clearly likes her music, and she doesn't appear to be spamming the thread with her posts.

Most "Post Your..." threads do not have a point to them. They're literally there to post one line replies - discussion is quite rare, so the Post Your Desktop Background and Setup Threads are useless as far as discussion goes, and they rarely have any discussions and I'm sure the intentions of the users in those threads is to just post what their background is - they're not actively seeking a point of discussion.

That is if one post every three minutes or 480 posts every 24 hours is SERIOUSLY acceptable then fine, this forum really has gone to the dogs.

Bit of an exaggeration, is it not? The way people are acting, you'd of thought the thread was being spammed with double posts and excessive activity, but there does not appear to be much (if any) evidence of this.