Do you believe in 'god'?

[-Soph-]

nope I dont believe it

im an atheist or however you spell it

[Mentor]

okay, final post of the night for me . . .

Whether or not we take much heed to God and what He has to say separates you from an atheist and a thesist.. Hand in hand with theism (the belief that there is a God) is the FACT that there is a God, and this isn't based on our interpretation of data either. God exists independently of any interpretation or misinterpretation.

By no means I am a good catholic. I rarely go to church, I've sinned against christianity many times and I disagree with a lot of what is taught to me in my CATHOLIC school.

I don't agree how religion has been misinterpreted over time. Such as contraception is bad (which i disagree with) and adoption is wrong (i also disagree with).

I believe in the fundamentals of the catholic faith. I have a creater and when I die, I am not simply gone, something is going to happen to me. Hence, I believe something is going to happen to you.

Ok, but i cannot accept your horrific misinteripation of the word "fact" for somthink to be fact, it must be proveable, beoned doubt, it must be knolage, nothing in any realigion is knolage, it is belife, wich is about as far from fact as u can get.
The Fact here is that it is imposible to prove or disporve aboulty the existance of a god at the currant time, but due to the nature of it, nothing in religon can be interpited as facts, scinace, is a conculsion based on fact, religion is belife based on a conculison.
So your use of the word fact in with the word got is complty propstrus and a gross misuse of the word.

You can belive what you like, but u cant know it.

[Steph]

Yeah, I believe in God. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. Someone designed the world, everything is just so complex, human beings and the human mind is just the start. I think its amazing how the human body works, and I think in order for such a creation, someone must have created it.

[Mentor]

Yeah, I believe in God. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. Someone designed the world, everything is just so complex, human beings and the human mind is just the start. I think its amazing how the human body works, and I think in order for such a creation, someone must have created it.

yes, but if we are to complex to have come by by chance, how did god, if hes stupposeoly vastly better than us??

Anyway it can be shown scintifcaly from start to finish how it all happened already, its only downful is much is still theartical due to us not yet being able to test all of that, its pretty ovios and simple how it happened, and much of it is proven complexity is simple, as shown by the "life" game, programmed to demostarte how complexty could come from simplicty with ease, google it up, if u wish.

[Steph]

yes, but if we are to complex to have come by by chance, how did god, if hes stupposeoly vastly better than us??

Anyway it can be shown scintifcaly from start to finish how it all happened already, its only downful is much is still theartical due to us not yet being able to test all of that, its pretty ovios and simple how it happened, and much of it is proven complexity is simple, as shown by the "life" game, programmed to demostarte how complexty could come from simplicty with ease, google it up, if u wish.

Yeah...cause I can answer that? Thats the question nobody can answer.

Anyways I don't need to know the details, I believe in God no matter what, until somebody proves me wrong with evidence. I believe "he" is some kind of spirit, who lives in everyone. Ok I sound like a sunday school teacher but heh.

[Mentor]

Yeah...cause I can answer that? Thats the question nobody can answer.

Anyways I don't need to know the details, I believe in God no matter what, until somebody proves me wrong with evidence. I believe "he" is some kind of spirit, who lives in everyone. Ok I sound like a sunday school teacher but heh.

What would u class as proof? wich particalar aspect would u want disproveing, i can prove the bibles thearys of eveoltin wrong, aka the world aint flat, and the sky aint water? and if as a few belive god wrote it, he cant be as onsiante as the clames lol, but then again, logic, has caused most of the churchs follwing to use the brains slightly and aknolage it was writen by man, and insted just follow the meanings rather than the litral teachings "/

Anyway theres quite a few bits we can prove, earth goes around the sun, not other wat around, we aint the center of the univce, or anything speacal, where an averge planet in the outwards spiral of a averge spiral galexy "/

[Steph]

What would u class as proof? wich particalar aspect would u want disproveing, i can prove the bibles thearys of eveoltin wrong, aka the world aint flat, and the sky aint water? and if as a few belive god wrote it, he cant be as onsiante as the clames lol, but then again, logic, has caused most of the churchs follwing to use the brains slightly and aknolage it was writen by man, and insted just follow the meanings rather than the litral teachings "/

Anyway theres quite a few bits we can prove, earth goes around the sun, not other wat around, we aint the center of the univce, or anything speacal, where an averge planet in the outwards spiral of a averge spiral galexy "/

ok I didnt understand half of that but if you mean the biblie isnt true, well most of the bible isnt mean to be true anyway I don't think.
I mean for e.g. we were only created on day 6, so how would anyone know what was created before day 6?

[Forest-Law]

Ok, but i cannot accept your horrific misinteripation of the word "fact" for somthink to be fact, it must be proveable, beoned doubt, it must be knolage, nothing in any realigion is knolage, it is belife, wich is about as far from fact as u can get.
The Fact here is that it is imposible to prove or disporve aboulty the existance of a god at the currant time, but due to the nature of it, nothing in religon can be interpited as facts, scinace, is a conculsion based on fact, religion is belife based on a conculison.
So your use of the word fact in with the word got is complty propstrus and a gross misuse of the word.

You can belive what you like, but u cant know it.

u seem to have misunderstood....

"hand in hand with thesism (believing in a God) is the FACT there is a God"


ie: all thesists believe that there is a God, no matter how time has changed and altered divine law.

it is an illogical conclusion to decide that the universe and every living thing in it was created by chance. There must be a creator, and in catholic belief, this creator is God. Religion is just one answer to the creation of the universe, one of which I happen to believe in, and many others, including yourself, do not. I am sure you have your own theory in how the universe began and what will happen to you, or your infinite self, when you die. Because as Albert once said:

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom.

ok I didnt understand half of that but if you mean the biblie isnt true, well most of the bible isnt mean to be true anyway I don't think.
I mean for e.g. we were only created on day 6, so how would anyone know what was created before day 6?

i agree. i don't believe in most of the bible. most christians i know also share this view...even my RE teacher. I believe the bible to be moral lessons and set out moral examples to mankind.

eg:

Adam is granted freedom in the garden of eden but cannot eat a single apple. After eating this, Adam, being the first of human life, has engraved original sin (or potential sin) into every human being that ever lives there on.

Its is mostly moral lessons...but the bible is source of greater belief for many. so, if their happy

[Mentor]

ok I didnt understand half of that but if you mean the biblie isnt true, well most of the bible isnt mean to be true anyway I don't think.
I mean for e.g. we were only created on day 6, so how would anyone know what was created before day 6?

Due to carbon dateing, u can tell how old stuff is, due to its nuclar half lifes, for exsample, we can date stuff back Billions of years, hell theres even massive ruins of thriving sociteys way before god created the univece supposely, i mean the romans were even in full swing before when the bibled predicts life came around "/

"hand in hand with thesism (believing in a God) is the FACT there is a God"

ie: all thesists believe that there is a God, no matter how time has changed and altered divine law.

it is an illogical conclusion to decide that the universe and every living thing in it was created by chance. There must be a creator, and in catholic belief, this creator is God. Religion is just one answer to the creation of the universe, one of which I happen to believe in, and many others, including yourself, do not. I am sure you have your own theory in how the universe began and what will happen to you, or your infinite self, when you die. Because as Albert once said:

I dont understnad how u dont see the contradiction in that, look at it logicaly.

The unoivcer needs creation, becuse theres no way it cant.
there for god must have created.

Then u miss that if the univce Must have been created, so the same must apply to god, GOD must have been created. if god has always been of can skip this law, then the univcer could also, actaly more liklyly do the same??

there is no infite self, i am a incredibly complexted patten of eltrucal charges, in this planets most complexts system, the human brain. when it dies, i die.

Man is the only life form, that has the knolage that they have knolage, that is the essents of conioness

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom.

I would dissagree, religion, art science server very diffent purpos, religion, is primary a way for quick answers and a easy way to power, wich can be seen throught history, due to its power to inforce ignorace and halt any real groth so a few stucjk up rich people can be richer in many cases.

sciance, is just understanding, humans by nature wich to undertsnad what, how and who we are, and strive for these answers, scinace, takes the eveidcance avible and draws possible conculsins for this, then tests to see if they hold true, and is therfore an ever evolving method, unlike religion wich is static, and unchaging, aka why religions all evenatly die, due to becomeing so out of touch.

art, is a form of exspression, and u can exspress anything u like in it, its entertainment, and is purly phisical "/

[Forest-Law]

I would dissagree, religion, art science server very diffent purpos, religion, is primary a way for quick answers and a easy way to power, wich can be seen throught history, due to its power to inforce ignorace and halt any real groth so a few stucjk up rich people can be richer in many cases.

sciance, is just understanding, humans by nature wich to undertsnad what, how and who we are, and strive for these answers, scinace, takes the eveidcance avible and draws possible conculsins for this, then tests to see if they hold true, and is therfore an ever evolving method, unlike religion wich is static, and unchaging, aka why religions all evenatly die, due to becomeing so out of touch.

art, is a form of exspression, and u can exspress anything u like in it, its entertainment, and is purly phisical "/

the quote u r disproving - All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom.

...is taken from the words of albert einstein. It is a fairly obvious conclusion put into context. Why evolve, when evolution is going to destroy us. Going by this planets timeline we are the smallest of fragments. In millions of years, our species will be gone and a new one begin. One day, mankind is going to create an exact replica of a human brain. Transferred into computers can and will create robot replicas of ourselves. And when this technology eventually displaces human inteligence, we would have destroyed ourselves. This is just one theory btw. Why does human life fly into space if not looking for explanations...to be all knowing....hence, FREEDOM.

I dont understnad how u dont see the contradiction in that, look at it logicaly.

we know nothing about the place where God comes from. It exceeds the human mind, so nothing is impossible there, becuase all this, in this universe makes no relevence, in a greater "world".