Unelected Jean-Claude Juncker nominated as next head of EU Commission

[GommeInc]

Technically we can ignore certain laws based on public morality, policy and general interest so if 25 million Muslims in this hypothetical situation were to vote for extreme laws to be passed (which is a bit strange seeing as Muslims are not all extremist idiots the same way not all Christians are Phelps family members), the British side of the union can simply oppose them.

[FlyingJesus]

So lets take the example of Saudi Arabia and Britain in a hypothetical political union run under a democracy.

Do you think the people who currently live in Britain share similar views/cultural outlooks on subjects (in that there are differences but the differences can be managed within a democracy as there exists consensus between opposing sides) such as women's rights, gay rights, alcohol, drugs, religion and so on and so forth as say those people currently living in Saudi Arabia?

I mean, do I really have to explain the bleeding obvious? Do you think the two nationalities/cultures would be compatible in a democracy at all or would it be perhaps absurd to suggest so in that the cultural differences between the two mean that both would regard the other as foreign and are simply incompatible in any way, shape or form to live together under the same political/legal system?

Do Saudis adhere to say Burkean conservatism, Locke and Classical liberal concepts or Fabian socialism? Or not?

So yes, you really do think that all people in one country think the exact same way. Interested to see a source on when Saudi Arabia joined Europe though

[-:Undertaker:-]

You can't use extreme examples to prove your point in situation, we're already in a union with Scotland, wales , NI and England which CLEARLY you regard as a single people. So its apparent the issue here is the degree of cultural difference rather than the existence of a difference. Using an extreme example here does your argument no service.

I regard them as a single people, although there are differences between them just as there are differences between Yorkshire, Lancashire and Kent. But the point is, England/Scotland/Wales and Northern Ireland are similar enough culturally to live under the same political and legal system.... which isn't the case for the constituent parts of Iraq, the former Yugoslavia or the EU. If this changes, then the UK will cease to exist.

And rightly, too.

Technically we can ignore certain laws based on public morality, policy and general interest so if 25 million Muslims in this hypothetical situation were to vote for extreme laws to be passed (which is a bit strange seeing as Muslims are not all extremist idiots the same way not all Christians are Phelps family members), the British side of the union can simply oppose them.

But again, you are ignoring the fact that many (I would bet my testicles on a healthy majority) muslims in the Middle East DO believe homosexuality should be illegal and punishable. A western liberal Christian country cannot exist in the same political and legal union as a conservative Islamic state. And it's the same between say France and Britain for other cultural reasons.

So yes, you really do think that all people in one country think the exact same way. Interested to see a source on when Saudi Arabia joined Europe though

Ah come off it, you know exactly what I mean.

Unless you advocate the marxist belief of internationalism, in which case it's hopeless even discussing it.

[FlyingJesus]

No I don't know exactly what you mean because your entire claim is that 2 people of different background can't possibly like each other, so either you think that everyone in Britain has the exact same values and ideals or you want Britain to devolve into tribal areas of like-minded people because we can't all get along in one country.

[Grig]

But again, you are ignoring the fact that many (I would bet my testicles on a healthy majority) muslims in the Middle East DO believe homosexuality should be illegal and punishable. A western liberal Christian country cannot exist in the same political and legal union as a conservative Islamic state. And it's the same between say France and Britain for other cultural reasons.

Well Russia is able to govern a state with both Christian values, as well as Islamist beliefs in Republics such as Chechnya and Tatarstan, although they are not as conservative. Hence, the war in Chenya .

Someone gave me an interesting analogy actually; you saw what happened to the USSR, and then the Europeans decided to start doing the same thing, i.e. more control and pretty strong hints of greater federalization. It failed once, and it'll fail again, I'm pretty sure of it.