Anyone Else Sick Of This World Of Hypocrisy?

[Ezzie.]

how can a vegetarian be a fan of maddox? never thought i'd see the day.

that's like a peace activist being a fan of osama bin laden.

His anti vegetarian comments i just ignore, but some of his other stuff is quite funny to read

[velocity]

"This is a religion/world news and philosophy forum, if you're not ready to look outside the box, get out of the forum. Simple as that."

nah, im entitled to an opinion, you cant expect to have every politition agree with your statements - people discuss things, people have many views. you cant expect to post your views without someone else thinking diffrently about it, if you dont want people to go against you opinions, dont post a thread about it in this forum.


"I have a scientific view on many things Our bodies aren't made to eat meat, it takes a few hours to digest meat as it's so dense our intestines have to work overtime, also notice our teeth structure? We have two canines on the side of our mouth.."

yea, to hold meat in a position, whilst the front teeth cut it off, you cant 'attack' a stick of celery, only your front teeth are used, same goes for sweetcorn and such, you dont use your canines for that, therefore meat is the purpose of them. as for the digestive bit, it takes longer to digest some vegtables, and its overtime includes extracting all the nutriants and such. therefore, they ARE designed to eat meat - its part of a healthy diet?


Have you heard of supply and demand?

People want meat
Industry breeds animals into a cage then kills them
They sell the meat
Repeat
:rolleyes:
You clearly haven't grasped the concept of "hunting" compared to "mass producing and slaughter of animals"

mass producting of dead animals is under a controlled state, a company takes this into consideration obviously - you cant expect to keep killing things and just watch them come back magically, they let them breed in the open, then kill them - if your not happy about that im sorry but thats a part of life, we need to eat & work, animals supply us with this demand, also - they simply cannot just repeat this process, they make sure they are all controlled and they do not run out of the animal they are so called 'slaughtering' they are killed in a proper humane manner, otherwise they would have the government stopping it.


"Read above, and actually look at the human body, look at our teeth, our hands, we have HUGEEEE teeth, HUGEEEEE claws and naturally we walk on all fours (best combination for a predator)"

we've adapted, were the top of the food chain - therefore we dont need claws - or to walk on four legs. yea, we have the teeth for it, the hands hold the things whilst we eat - thats due to many years, humans change and adapt over millions/thousands of years. we dont live underwater, therefore we dont need gills, we dont live in trees, so we dont have to claw our way up trees.

your mum dosent give you a stick and go "o, catch your own dinner tonight" we simply go to a supermarket where its ready for us, thats why we dont need all these claws and such, as they are unnessary.

anything else?

[GommeInc]

They are obviously vegetarians who don't know how to eat properly, also you can find a wider range of nutrients from various vegetables and fruit than meat.

There maybe a wider range, but that doesn't mean there are more nutrients "/ One sirloin steak has 10x more nutrients in than a salad and meat helps your immune system. Also, how can they eat properly? They've taught themselves not to eat meat "/

Second bit i don't really understand but *nod and agree*

It was about pollution and super markets vs. local grocery stores which sell local food. Aload of rubbish really. Hard to explain anyway.

This is a religion/world news and philosophy forum, if you're not ready to look outside the box, get out of the forum. Simple as that.

Yet you sit in the box of "I am always right and steer away from what people are saying?"

I have a scientific view on many things Our bodies aren't made to eat meat, it takes a few hours to digest meat as it's so dense our intestines have to work overtime, also notice our teeth structure? We have two canines on the side of our mouth..

I bet your vegetarian website said that. Meat has more nutrients and naturally, more is taken in from the body. Meat is good for us. Some meat digests faster. Chicken I think is the fastest, while beef is the longest.

Also, notice we have 4 incisors (2 Central and 2 Lateral) which are tearing meat "/ We have molars and canines to chew, like any other animal :rolleyes: There goes that theory "/

Have you heard of supply and demand?

People want meat
Industry breeds animals into a cage then kills them
They sell the meat
Repeat
:rolleyes:
You clearly haven't grasped the concept of "hunting" compared to "mass producing and slaughter of animals"

This has nothing to do with what he said "/

[COLOR=Black][B]Read above, and actually look at the human body, look at our teeth, our hands, we have HUGEEEE teeth, HUGEEEEE claws and naturally we walk on all fours (best combination for a predator)

Oh wait..

Notice how we also have 4 teeth on each jaw for tearing meat "/ If they weren't for meat, we would have molars in place "/ The "huge claws" makes no sense, we have hands? And hand sizes vary "/ Besides, we don't naturally walk on all fours, we evolved to stand...

That's the million dollar question though. Is global warming fatal or just a phase, there's arguments pointing both ways :eusa_wall

I go with a phase, because as always, the media explodes information and makes it up.

[Ezzie.]

"This is a religion/world news and philosophy forum, if you're not ready to look outside the box, get out of the forum. Simple as that."

nah, im entitled to an opinion, you cant expect to have every politition agree with your statements - people discuss things, people have many views. you cant expect to post your views without someone else thinking diffrently about it, if you dont want people to go against you opinions, dont post a thread about it in this forum.

Which is exactly what you was doing just 2 posts ago by telling me what I believed in was wrong, as I said look at the title: Hypocrisy

"I have a scientific view on many things Our bodies aren't made to eat meat, it takes a few hours to digest meat as it's so dense our intestines have to work overtime, also notice our teeth structure? We have two canines on the side of our mouth.."

yea, to hold meat in a position, whilst the front teeth cut it off, you cant 'attack' a stick of celery, only your front teeth are used, same goes for sweetcorn and such, you dont use your canines for that, therefore meat is the purpose of them. as for the digestive bit, it takes longer to digest some vegtables, and its overtime includes extracting all the nutriants and such. therefore, they ARE designed to eat meat - its part of a healthy diet?I seriously think you need to revise what you just said there -.-

Have you heard of supply and demand?

People want meat
Industry breeds animals into a cage then kills them
They sell the meat
Repeat
:rolleyes:
You clearly haven't grasped the concept of "hunting" compared to "mass producing and slaughter of animals"

mass producting of dead animals is under a controlled state, a company takes this into consideration obviously - you cant expect to keep killing things and just watch them come back magically, they let them breed in the open, then kill them - if your not happy about that im sorry but thats a part of life, we need to eat & work, animals supply us with this demand, also - they simply cannot just repeat this process, they make sure they are all controlled and they do not run out of the animal they are so called 'slaughtering' they are killed in a proper humane manner, otherwise they would have the government stopping it.

In this country they kill humane *so as we're told* but have you checked the other countries lately?

"Read above, and actually look at the human body, look at our teeth, our hands, we have HUGEEEE teeth, HUGEEEEE claws and naturally we walk on all fours (best combination for a predator)"

we've adapted, were the top of the food chain - therefore we dont need claws - or to walk on four legs. yea, we have the teeth for it, the hands hold the things whilst we eat - thats due to many years, humans change and adapt over millions/thousands of years. we dont live underwater, therefore we dont need gills, we dont live in trees, so we dont have to claw our way up trees.

your mum dosent give you a stick and go "o, catch your own dinner tonight" we simply go to a supermarket where its ready for us, thats why we dont need all these claws and such, as they are unnessary.

anything else?

That's where you confuse me, you say we adapted over time? So were we once walking on all fours with claws and razor sharp teeth? Haven't heard that in the evolution theories recently...

If we are so called predators, go outside into a field of cows with no weapons on you and kill a cow with your bare hands, eat it raw for added fun... would you?

If you can, survive the fight with the cow, then survive digesting raw meat, then congratulations you're a predator, if you didn't then it proves my point that nature didn't build us to kill other animals.

The reason I'm vegetarian is because i don't believe in killing animals when we can easily sustain ourselves on alternatives, also i'd prefer not to heighten my risk of heart disease, high blood pressure, breast cancer, osteoporosis, colon cancer, prostate cancer, and anemia.

As I said I'd like to get back on topic but you still keep trying to disprove my views.

Anything else? Or can we actually talk about the actual topic now

[velocity]

im sorry, you have no solid evidence for anything you've said there, you're the one telling me to revise, but i can assure you im correct unless you give evidence against our meat eating habits. im sure gommeinc agrees.

i can argue with you all day, unless you give no evidence i can argue this case forever. as you said we've not evolved, look at monkeys, that theory has links to what we used to do, not even i belive it all 100%, but think about it, we evolved from something.

sorry, i have corsework to finish, i'd love to continue pointing out your flaws in your argument - but im needed elsewhere ;]

[T0M]

Ezzie just ebcause you have an opinion it doesnt mean other peoples ideas/opinions are based on nothing, as some1 has alreadysaid cows contribute 10% of the emissions causing so caleld global warming, and so if you wanna help global warming we should eat more cows not less.

Also being vegetarian helps no1, i have friends who are veggies so i aint having go at you for being one justs aying you aint helping any1 by not eating meat.

[Ezzie.]

Eugh the computer just ate my long post rofl :rolleyes:

To gomme: some points i agree and some points I don't but i'm too tired to type it out all again :eusa_wall

To velocity: I see no actual facts behind your argument other than "we eat meat cos i say so" and petty insults, i'm merely trying to provide my side of the argument against it seems most other people on the board ^_^

To Smurf: the reason cows contribute 10% of the pollution is because of the mass producing by the meat industry and the amount of waste they produce in the doing so causes the pollution, eating cows will just support the industry more by upping the demand for more beef thus upping the amount of pollution.

Also you say I'm not helping by not eating meating, my opinion is you're not helping BY eating meat

I'm sorry if i've came across abit harsh to you all but it's 1 against 3 here and when someone starts telling me my opinions are "wrong" i retaliate

[Mentor]

And Hitler's followers thought he was a saint? Total irrelevancy.

What you said is yes. What i said though was totally on point, seeing as your claiming a completely bias sourse to be the haven of truth.

[COLOR=Black]Except the meat you eat is high in fat/cholesterol, usually contains tons of drugs within it like [B]sterols, antibiotics, growth hormones and other drugs... also induces heart problems, kidney stones and gallstones, need I go on? o.O

And the veg you consume is full of and covered in 100s of fertilizers, pesticides, weedisides which are all designed to kill things. There also primary grown in the stuff the drug filled animals are shiting out there back ends.

Secondly, the diseases associated are being pulled out of your own, or someone elses ***, theres no truth in them, there completely unfounded claims.

[COLOR=Black][B]Winder away and slowly die? That's if you locked them in a cage; then yes they would , if you actually let them out and left them to graze they wouldn't wither away or die? I'd prefer to live a long life and then die than rather be born into a cage and them be killed young? And yes thank you i do love animals =]

Yea, the cows will be in aginiseing pain haveing no young, but udders full of milk, in winter they will have no food to graze on, some will starve others will freezes. sheep will overheat in summer becuse they havent been sheered... are you sure you thought this one through?
Maybe we should releace a polar bear in the middle of the sahara to...

Alas, the meat industry breeds alot more animals than nature would intended, the amount of water and grain/soy beans used is pretty incredible, they're actually knocking down rain forests to make more room for the animals now..:rolleyes:

Now imagine if all the animals, instead of being eaten were allowed to breed all day. you think theres two many now o.0

[Ezzie.]

What you said is yes. What i said though was totally on point, seeing as your claiming a completely bias sourse to be the haven of truth.

And you seem to be giving bias opinions yourself? I'm trying to understand what you're saying but I just can't get my head round why people will kill other animals when you can live perfectly well off of vegetables / fruit yada yada

And the veg you consume is full of and covered in 100s of fertilizers, pesticides, weedisides which are all designed to kill things. There also primary grown in the stuff the drug filled animals are shiting out there back ends.

That's genetically modified vegetables, there is a choice to eat organic vegetables that haven't been tampered with as much.

Secondly, the diseases associated are being pulled out of your own, or someone elses ***, theres no truth in them, there completely unfounded claims.

Red meat is often associated with heart problems, read up about it.

Yea, the cows will be in aginiseing pain haveing no young, but udders full of milk, in winter they will have no food to graze on, some will starve others will freezes. sheep will overheat in summer becuse they havent been sheered... are you sure you thought this one through?
Maybe we should releace a polar bear in the middle of the sahara to...

Question: Did i say sheep shearing was wrong?Though i'm sure there is a non human way they use to get rid of their excess fur but i've forgotten "/ and indeed cows need to be milked or have their young drink their milk otherwise they can go in alot of pain and be quite mad, but if they were out in the wild and were leading normal lives, ie: breeding, giving birth to young etc, then that wouldn't happen


Now imagine if all the animals, instead of being eaten were allowed to breed all day. you think theres two many now o.0

"breed all day".. you do know that a cows gestation period is 9months like a human's right? If you let a NORMAL population of cows out in the wild to drink/graise/breed then their population levels would stay in level ...


As I've said for the 7th time could we please get back to the original topic..... It's getting annoying now replying the same reply for every wannabe critic =/

[Mentor]

And you seem to be giving bias opinions yourself? I'm trying to understand what you're saying but I just can't get my head round why people will kill other animals when you can live perfectly well off of vegetables / fruit yada yada

Whats that got to do with me calling your source untrustworthy and bias. How does that make my assertion that your source (a pro vegateran website) is bias, a bias one itself?
The bias of a particular source is completely irrelevant to mine or your beliefs on the ethics of it, so stop changing the subject.
The claim getting rid of animals would free up enough grain to feed the world is still an outright lie.

[COLOR=Black][B]That's genetically modified vegetables, there is a choice to eat organic vegetables that haven't been tampered with as much.

GM foods use alot less herbiseds, pestisides etc as the plants are stronger and more resistant to the pests and weeds themselves. Organic is still grown in animal poo, as nature intended.

Red meat is often associated with heart problems, read up about it.

Again, yea, its associated with heard problems because alot of pro people keep makeing these association's.
The fact remains there is NO proof, evidence that shows a link between eating meat and increased risk of heart disease.

Statistically though it should be noted, the people with the lowest rates of heart deasese are those with high fish diets (fish = meat)

Question: Did i say sheep shearing was wrong?

So your just not going to feed the sheep and let it starve instead?
After all if you feed the sheep your still useing all your grain.

Though i'm sure there is a non human way they use to get rid of their excess fur but i've forgotten

Theres not, they have the fur becuse humans selectively bred them to grow it, we pretty much made modern day sheep.

and indeed cows need to be milked or have their young drink their milk otherwise they can go in alot of pain and be quite mad, but if they were out in the wild and were leading normal lives, ie: breeding, giving birth to young etc, then that wouldn't happen

It would, cows again are a constrcution of humans via selective breeding, they produce much more milk than is needed to feed there young. Theres no way these animals could survive without humans.

N"breed all day".. you do know that a cows gestation period is 9months like a human's right? If you let a NORMAL population of cows out in the wild to drink/graise/breed then their population levels would stay in level

There are alot more cows than bulls, the bulls will breed all day and every day, reguadless of weather a cow is already pregnant. its part of pretty much all lifes defult programming (its an exspression, not litral)

As I've said for the 7th time could we please get back to the original topic..... It's getting annoying now replying the same reply for every wannabe critic =/

This is on topic, its part of the worlds hypocrisy that alot of people are sick of.