All this rep being removed.

[Shawnstra]

downfall and doomsboy, i agree, basically you guys care more bout staff then members, imagine this: You have 50 mods 10 s mods, 3 admins and 2 owners (just an example), and due to your actions lets say all the vips/normal members leave, all thats left is the administration and staff, doesnt feel nice when the forum has to shut down does it?

I don't get you. I was just stating how the reputation system could be done so that both the staff and the members benefit, and if the system I suggested is implemented, everyone will be happy. Both the staff and members get what they want. I agree with someone who has stated earlier, make it so that all pointless +reps until now not be removed, only after this as not many people were aware of this before.

[nvrspk4]

1) Only one of us did
2) Well it seems to of happened since he came, thats all.
3) Some of us were acting mature.
4) But before, you couldn't just go through our profiles and take it, we would have to report rep. That is why we wanted some warning atleast.
5) I just see that as unfair, but its your rules i guess.
6) YESSSSSSSSSS :{[[[ Nah its just the principal of it.


I don't really wanna have an arguement, or discussion, or debate.

1) Yeah fair enough. As I said, I basically skimmed.
2) Actually a while ago people threw tantrums because Joshuar did it. And if anyone was here a looong time ago, there was a huge pointless rep thread in the staff forum, I went through thirty some odd pages and removed hundreds of points of rep simply because I felt the staff were setting a bad example.
3) Yes I tend to generalize when the vast majority is doing one thing. Some people were mature.
4) Well, you shouldn't be giving out pointless reputation anyway, the option shouldn't really be there for people to "keep" pointless reputation.

I can understand where you're coming from, I don't agree, but thank you for at least being mature and rational about it.

In regard to number one - the only reason I felt I had to type like that was because Nick wasn't reasing my posts, so I asked him to reply to the one I wrote and he said he couldn't find it. The large font was to make it more clear for him to see.

The easier way to ensure a reply is a personal message

In regard to all the other points raised - I guess the 'customer' doesn't always come first then. One thing which makes the Administrators happy has raised many problems with members, but as long as you Admins are happy then it's all okay isn't it?

Not to be rude or anything, but do you think it makes us happy to have to deal with all these arguments over rep, that it makes us happy to have to do so much work to sort out just the negative reps, or happy to spend time deleting pointless reps? No...its work. If we were lazy and not committed to our jobs, we wouldn't do it. We are simply enforcing the rules that are in place.

The problem is what you people class as pointless. If someone helped me on Habbo, like did a safe trade or something, repping someone on Habbox forum should ok. Maybe there should be places except threads where people can rep people, but provide a valid reason. I know HabboxForum has the rights to remove rep and what they are doing currently is perfectly right, however maybe there may be a way for both the people who had the positive reputation removed and the staff to be happy. However I feel that the people mentioned may have actual pointless rep, maybe HabboxForum can look into refining the rep system. Rep should not be able to be bought as it is also pointless.

Please don't flame me or anything, just my opinion

I do completely agree with one thing you said, which is that rep should not be bought. We've tried again and again to eliminate that, it doesn't seem to be working.

If someone does a safe trade with you, you could always rep them in the thread saying safe trade, it may or may not be pointless depending on how you do it. But in all honesty, is it that hard to find a legitimately good post or alt and give a minute of thought to give an actual valid reputation?

downfall and doomsboy, i agree, basically you guys care more bout staff then members, imagine this: You have 50 mods 10 s mods, 3 admins and 2 owners (just an example), and due to your actions lets say all the vips/normal members leave, all thats left is the administration and staff, doesnt feel nice when the forum has to shut down does it?

We make rules, and we enforce the rules. We can't allow rules to just sit there. Reputation causes so many arguments on the forum that its ridiculous. Absolutely insane. We have to take steps to bring the situation under control, because an unnaturally large portion of rulebreaking is reputation issues, second only to things such as avoiding the filter and rudeness. (And possibly accusing of scamming.)

[Actor]

Right, half of my rep was bought for me. My old account became mysteriously banned and so i had to make new one. I had about 3/4rep power/bars on this account so i asked someone to buy me some rep for this account. Only reason i had someone buy me rep was the simple fact i used to do alot of runescape>habbo/habbo>runescape trading. When new people came to the forum, half of the time rep was all they cared about. So i thought it would be needed. Anyway i kind of drifted off topic there :S

Most people on habboxforum's reputation points/bars will be made up of at the VERY least 1/4 pointless + rep, this is just the simple fact that many people rep so it can be returned, or because of rep being spread. I think Nick is doing the correct thing by removing pointless +reps as they are pointless and have not been earned. However, i can clearly see where alot of these people are coming from, as people could lose alot of rep by this happening and may find it unfair.

My overall opinion is that you should all just get on with it and live with it. It is only a green block or a couple of rep points lower. When you quit habboxforum and habbo and start doing more important things with your life you will see that it actually isn't that important and actually not worth complaining about.
Many people may say, "you wouldn't like it if your rep gets removed" But i honestly don't mind, hell i'll even volunteer Nick you can remove my pointless reps if you want, not like there needed?

Anyway, enough of my ********

[Shawnstra]

I do completely agree with one thing you said, which is that rep should not be bought. We've tried again and again to eliminate that, it doesn't seem to be working.

If someone does a safe trade with you, you could always rep them in the thread saying safe trade, it may or may not be pointless depending on how you do it. But in all honesty, is it that hard to find a legitimately good post or alt and give a minute of thought to give an actual valid reputation?

Yes, after all reputation is about how trusted a person is. However, there is a problem with what you just posted. Some people may have made a safe trade without posting it on Habbo. Maybe make it (if possible) so we can rep people on their profile? However, I would like to ask a question. Does pointless mean pointless to that thread, or pointless as a whole? Because sometimes I owe people rep, and when I can rep them, I usually don't go back to the same thread.

Once again, just my opinion, please don't flame me

[JackBuddy]

Pretty pointless removing rep if you can waste money buying it.

[jesus]

Not to be rude or anything, but do you think it makes us happy to have to deal with all these arguments over rep, that it makes us happy to have to do so much work to sort out just the negative reps, or happy to spend time deleting pointless reps? No...its work. If we were lazy and not committed to our jobs, we wouldn't do it. We are simply enforcing the rules that are in place.

it makes you happy that 'pointless' reputation is not being given, but myself and i presume other forum members dont appreciate having our reputation taken without prior warning as this hasnt happened so much in the past.

i just dont see what the big deal is, if you say 'its only reputation' then i dont see why:

a) we should have the ability to get them removed
b) you care so much about 'pointless' ones being given - no other forums are like this
c) we can buy reputation, thus making it pointless but you are okay with that.

[JackBuddy]

Why are mods wasting time on removing rep? After you say it's 'only reputation' you have more important things to be dealing with- making this forum decent again.

[Neversoft]

Why are mods wasting time on removing rep? After you say it's 'only reputation' you have more important things to be dealing with- making this forum decent again.

That is actually a very good point. Nvr said to me rep is a silly thing to get banned over, so the mods are actually wasting their time with these 'silly things' instead of moderating the forum. Well, whoever deals with rep is anyway. Rep doesn't need moderating, just go back to the old days when you reported bad rep and it got removed, problem solved, everyone happy. Don't see the problem with pointless +REPPING people anyway. You just don't allow it so people will buy rep instead - Well, who actually buys rep anyway? Just allow it and remove the buy rep feature.

[nvrspk4]

Yes, after all reputation is about how trusted a person is. However, there is a problem with what you just posted. Some people may have made a safe trade without posting it on Habbo. Maybe make it (if possible) so we can rep people on their profile? However, I would like to ask a question. Does pointless mean pointless to that thread, or pointless as a whole? Because sometimes I owe people rep, and when I can rep them, I usually don't go back to the same thread.

Once again, just my opinion, please don't flame me

Why not just find a good post? And yes, "owed" reps would be classed as pointless if you didn't rep the correct post. It takes a minute to find the right one, I don't see it as a big burden

You won't ever be flamed for your opinion - I won't necessarily agree with you, but unless you break the rules or say something stupid such as "Lithuanians should not be permitted to post on the forums" I wouldn't even question your morals

Pretty pointless removing rep if you can waste money buying it.

I agree. We're trying very hard to get this removed.

it makes you happy that 'pointless' reputation is not being given, but myself and i presume other forum members dont appreciate having our reputation taken without prior warning as this hasnt happened so much in the past.

i just dont see what the big deal is, if you say 'its only reputation' then i dont see why:

a) we should have the ability to get them removed
b) you care so much about 'pointless' ones being given - no other forums are like this
c) we can buy reputation, thus making it pointless but you are okay with that.

Personally I don't understand what everyone is basing their claims on...not having warning? You had warning - because pointless reputation has been against the rules for a year, maybe even two or three. We are just stepping up enforcement now.

a) Why should we not be allowed to remove them? (I'm assuming that's what you mean)
b) It results in a large amount of rulebreaking
c) Yes, I agree, we should change it.

Why are mods wasting time on removing rep? After you say it's 'only reputation' you have more important things to be dealing with- making this forum decent again.

That is actually a very good point. Nvr said to me rep is a silly thing to get banned over, so the mods are actually wasting their time with these 'silly things' instead of moderating the forum. Well, whoever deals with rep is anyway. Rep doesn't need moderating, just go back to the old days when you reported bad rep and it got removed, problem solved, everyone happy. Don't see the problem with pointless +REPPING people anyway. You just don't allow it so people will buy rep instead - Well, who actually buys rep anyway? Just allow it and remove the buy rep feature.

In response to the above points, the reputation system has become point of high contention among the forum members, as I have stated earlier. Often, members with less rep are looked down on, and people with more rep aren't. Additionally, people are repping each other to amass these huge rep powers, and then they are using these rep powers to bully those they don't like - leaving -reps every few days, manipulating people for +/- reps, and generally abusing the entire system. Therefore, we've made a concerted attempt to crack down on things like this.

Regardless of whether we remove -rep or not, people still do use it to bully and manipulate, and reputation, both good and bad, accounts for a high percentage of rulebreaking.

By the way, when I said "rep is a silly thing to get banned over" I meant someone would be silly to get so obsessed over the reputation system that they got themselves banned - not because we shouldn't ban because of the reputation system (though this should only be used in some cases, the reputation related bans I've dealt out deal with abuse with negative reps and impersonating others in reputation comments.)

[Verrou]

So your saying, if we want one single rep removed u can go and remove more? That's stupid, because someone -repped me saying "No, i'm alright thanks. & the thing is, if you report this rep, all of your other rep will get removed by Nick. " and it's pointless but i don't want to report it because more than that one will be removed o_O CHANGE THE RULES