BNP

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, I don't think they should be banned, I never said that. This is a thread on the BNP hence why the focus is on them and not other extreme parties.

I can't see how gay groups and black associations etcetera can be compared on the same level as the BNP. They aren't out to harm anyone else or get rid of people. Like I said before (although you disagreed with it), the other groups exist because it is all about history and the present. People can't just get over what has happened, and what abuse still happens to gay and black people. British and white people were (and are) not discriminated against and abused in the same way they were (and are).

If white people are not abused in your eyes, then what is the problem with them having a racial group for themselves such as the British National Party?

If these groups want to exist then fine by me, but they should not and it can never be justified that these groups are funded by the state. If people want fairness then they have to be part of a fair system, and the system as it is is now fair. You cannot have a system where having groups for certain groups is fine, but for others it is not.

How can this generation apoligise for things that generations long gone have done? - you can't because they are dead, gone and I thought everyone is equal in this country, so why are these groups even needed; doesn't it go to show the fact these groups exist that multiculturalism has failed?. We need to get over all of this political correctness nonsense, if I got in office tommorow the first paper i'd be signing would be our withdrawal from the European Union, closely followed by cutting all state funding to these politically correct groups/institutions.

The police should not support gay groups, black police groups, the BNP, Labour, UKIP, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Communist Party, Socialist Party, Green Party, English Democrats, SNP - the list goes on, they should not support/show support for any of these.

The gay groups & others all have aims, the police as a historically neutral organisation should not be supporting/funding any of these groups regardless of any opinion. The police organisation is not supposed to have any political opinion or say and is supposed to be there to lay down the law of the land and that is it, not marching in gay parades whilst having a Black Police Officers Association yet attempting to sack police who have BNP membership.

What kind of a country is it when people are being sacked for having a certain political opinion? - a dictatorship, no other word for it.

I dont think its just Labour who label the BNP racist as every single party in the UK seems to as well. Whats more their the only party in the country who do not allow non white members to join which makes them a discriminative body of people.

Also you say the government funds gay groups so I want you to do some research and post on here proving this point with links, quotes etc which prove this is a bad thing.

I have done research, I don't believe the police as a neutral force should have any links with any type of group - its as simple as that.

Dan. How many times have you used that argument on here?
To say that a Political party that excludes ethnic minorities is the same is naive to say the least. I do like reading your posts but you seem to make the same points over and over again, lately. There is nothing defendable about the BNP unless somebody happens to be a facist then its the right party for them I guess.

I keep making the same point because once I mention the BPOA nobody seems to come up with a suitable answer on why the BNP is apparently racist for having a white member rule, yet the police have an organisation for black police which is just as bad, state racism. It is creating an apartheid system.

Both by law have to allow members in regardless of colour yet the BNP seem to get lamblasted for it, I suppose they do have a point now really, sometimes I do feel like the minority in this country.

[Plank]

If white people are not abused in your eyes, then what is the problem with them having a racial group for themselves such as the British National Party?

If these groups want to exist then fine by me, but they should not and it can never be justified that these groups are funded by the state. If people want fairness then they have to be part of a fair system, and the system as it is is now fair. You cannot have a system where having groups for certain groups is fine, but for others it is not.

How can this generation apoligise for things that generations long gone have done? - you can't because they are dead, gone and I thought everyone is equal in this country, so why are these groups even needed; doesn't it go to show the fact these groups exist that multiculturalism has failed?. We need to get over all of this political correctness nonsense, if I got in office tommorow the first paper i'd be signing would be our withdrawal from the European Union, closely followed by cutting all state funding to these politically correct groups/institutions.

The police should not support gay groups, black police groups, the BNP, Labour, UKIP, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Communist Party, Socialist Party, Green Party, English Democrats, SNP - the list goes on, they should not support/show support for any of these.

The gay groups & others all have aims, the police as a historically neutral organisation should not be supporting/funding any of these groups regardless of any opinion. The police organisation is not supposed to have any political opinion or say and is supposed to be there to lay down the law of the land and that is it, not marching in gay parades whilst having a Black Police Officers Association yet attempting to sack police who have BNP membership.

What kind of a country is it when people are being sacked for having a certain political opinion? - a dictatorship, no other word for it.

Do gay groups want to get rid of people who aren't gay? Do black groups want to get rid of people who aren't black? No. That's where the difference lies between the BNP and these groups - they aren't out to have an impact on anyone of other sexualities or races but the BNP are.

If there are gay groups out there which want all non-gay people to keep their relationship 'behind closed doors' - If there are black groups out there which want to get all white people out of the country - then they are just as bad as the BNP. But the groups you are mentioning are not on this level of extremity.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Do gay groups want to get rid of people who aren't gay? Do black groups want to get rid of people who aren't black? No. That's where the difference lies between the BNP and these groups - they aren't out to have an impact on anyone of other sexualities or races but the BNP are.

If there are gay groups out there which want all non-gay people to keep their relationship 'behind closed doors' - If there are black groups out there which want to get all white people out of the country - then they are just as bad as the BNP. But the groups you are mentioning are not on this level of extremity.

That isn't what we are discussing. We are discussing the membership policy of the British National Party.

I'm not talking about their racial policies which I disagree strongly with, I don't agree with sending people away because of their colour, I believe in sending layabouts and criminals back. The point I am making, people jump on the BNP solely for the whites membership policy, when the state is just as bad for this and nobody seems to come up with a viable answer to this.

[Plank]

That isn't what we are discussing. We are discussing the membership policy of the British National Party.

I'm not talking about their racial policies which I disagree strongly with, I don't agree with sending people away because of their colour, I believe in sending layabouts and criminals back. The point I am making, people jump on the BNP solely for the whites membership policy, when the state is just as bad for this and nobody seems to come up with a viable answer to this.

I think the main reason people jump on the BNP is because of their policies and what they are aiming for. If their policies weren't as extreme as they are - perhaps on the same level as gay groups and black groups, then I'm sure people wouldn't attack them as much.

However, I find it completely understandable that they have a white members only policy and I don't see why anyone would question this because I can't see how any black person or gay person would want to join the party anyway. Just like it would be weird if a white person joined a black association.

[LuketheDuke]

er I came up with an argument for why positive discrimination was a good thing in the workforce but then again when have you ever properly read one of my posts? It stops minorities being badly treated for who they are and makes sure that their qualifications and experience is not overlooked for a lesser experienced white/straight/CofE/privately educated type person who seem to get fast tracked due to these fundamentals and not at how good they are at their job.

And you say youve done research but I wouldnt mind reading where you got such points from.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think the main reason people jump on the BNP is because of their policies and what they are aiming for. If their policies weren't as extreme as they are - perhaps on the same level as gay groups and black groups, then I'm sure people wouldn't attack them as much.

However, I find it completely understandable that they have a white members only policy and I don't see why anyone would question this because I can't see how any black person or gay person would want to join the party anyway. Just like it would be weird if a white person joined a black association.

That is fine, their policies are extreme and I don't agree with many of them, as I have said in the past yet many others who have argued about this seem to think i'm a racist by supporting them, but as usual people tend to put words in my mouth/twist my words to suit their own argument. The point I am making and always will do; that by having a white membership policy is not racist as the state is just as bad.

er I came up with an argument for why positive discrimination was a good thing in the workforce but then again when have you ever properly read one of my posts? It stops minorities being badly treated for who they are and makes sure that their qualifications and experience is not overlooked for a lesser experienced white/straight/CofE/privately educated type person who seem to get fast tracked due to these fundamentals and not at how good they are at their job.

And you say youve done research but I wouldnt mind reading where you got such points from.

No that is called bureaucracy, the only thing Labour and the left are good at. This government and people like you treat this country all like we are racists, you honestly think we all hire people based on sexuality or colour? - maybe fifty years ago, but not today.

I get my points from common sense, because I know everyone in this country isn't racist but I also know there will always be racists, I also believe that this government has victimised the majority throughout its term in office, treating us all as if we have been hiring people based on colour or sexuality.

[LuketheDuke]

So your quite happy to shove your fingers in your ears and pretend racism/elitism/sexism/ageism doesnt happen in the workplace?

I'm sure most female members on this board have heard of the term and are wary of it happening to them as such acts of discrimination are frequently brought to media attention and have maybe happened to people that they know. Indeed the latest Apprentice was female but Sir Alan Sugar made an awful lot of sexist remarks during the whole process of the program and Amstrad is one of the UK's biggest business'.

[-:Undertaker:-]

So your quite happy to shove your fingers in your ears and pretend racism/elitism/sexism/ageism doesnt happen in the workplace?

I'm sure most female members on this board have heard of the term and are wary of it happening to them as such acts of discrimination are frequently brought to media attention and have maybe happened to people that they know. Indeed the latest Apprentice was female but Sir Alan Sugar made an awful lot of sexist remarks during the whole process of the program and Amstrad is one of the UK's biggest business'.

I am, because it mainly doesn't exist. Men are majorly suited better at business because it shows, as their are more men in the business sector; just like their are more women in teaching and nursing.

You, the left and the Labour Party need to stop this patronisation of everyone and punishing the majority, the discrimination laws Labour brought in are so stupid that I read a job opening for a witch in a tourist attration cave had to be open to men, because of these discrimination laws - if you think that is common sense then you have lost the plot.

Oh my god Sir Alan had a bit of light hearted fun!; you are well on your way to Brussels or Whitehall mate, your ideally suited to it.

[LuketheDuke]

I am, because it mainly doesn't exist. Men are majorly suited better at business because it shows, as their are more men in the business sector; just like their are more women in teaching and nursing.

You, the left and the Labour Party need to stop this patronisation of everyone and punishing the majority, the discrimination laws Labour brought in are so stupid that I read a job opening for a witch in a tourist attration cave had to be open to men, because of these discrimination laws - if you think that is common sense then you have lost the plot.

Oh my god Sir Alan had a bit of light hearted fun!; you are well on your way to Brussels or Whitehall mate, your ideally suited to it.

So in an attempt to produce a counter argument you basically just keep on pretending that such things as sexism dont exist in the workplace, generalise what a typical role for a gender is and insult me. Isn't it patronising that I have to sit here and read things you try and pass off as facts when in fact their your own opinion and no one elses?

The BNP are small minded bigots whos popularity stem off events that have happened in the public eye. Put them in power and they wouldnt know what to do with it, they'd certainly un-do the work that has been done in the last 20 years under both Conservative and Labour governments to promote equality in society thats for sure.

[Plank]

I am, because it mainly doesn't exist. Men are majorly suited better at business because it shows, as their are more men in the business sector; just like their are more women in teaching and nursing.

You, the left and the Labour Party need to stop this patronisation of everyone and punishing the majority, the discrimination laws Labour brought in are so stupid that I read a job opening for a witch in a tourist attration cave had to be open to men, because of these discrimination laws - if you think that is common sense then you have lost the plot.

Oh my god Sir Alan had a bit of light hearted fun!; you are well on your way to Brussels or Whitehall mate, your ideally suited to it.

The only way to stop the minority is to target the majority. It happens all the time. It won't affect people who aren't doing wrong in the first place.

And that stuff about the witch is rubbish. The law states that job roles can be open to only specific people if it suits the nature of the role. For example, when hiring a model role or a part in a musical theatre, they could be open to women or men only.

If you have a look at the laws, they seem very fair and should go without saying really.. http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html