Do You Think Immigrants Should Serve?

[-:Undertaker:-]

im sorry but our efforts to "help" weren't "helping" as in giving resources, more like invading..

so you're calling me racist because i think BNP should not appear on question time?

i really dont get it? :S

I think you really need to take a look at history. The land the British Empire controlled was where nations never existed, and those that did exist there were constantly at war, using barbaric methods and the people lived in poverty, with no jobs or healthcare. We then came there, gave them capital cities, formed actual states with borders, and we used the stuff (oil, coal, minerals, steel, iron etc.) that they had been standing on for millions of years without knowing or even understanding what it could be used for, and we used it to our advantage and to thier advantage. In Africa under British rule, they had jobs, food, money and security. In post-colonial Africa we now have South Africa with mass unemployment, poverty and a massive surge in crime, in Zimbabwe we now have a dictator who not only murders white farmers, but his own people. In the rest of Africa and the Middle East, along with Burma and others we now have dictatorships which are constantly at war with eachother, no employment and no food.

I have no called you racist at all, would you like to point out where I have called you racist?

[Wig44.]

If we don't know that they are here, how can you put a number on it?

And they are clearly the rules, as defined by the relevant departments. Don't accept them, that's fine. You're just wrong.

Their have been educated guesses from across the board, if Labour knew this was false then they would of said so, but they dont. They are not rules, hence why we wouldn't have uncontrolled immigration to this country. These people do get benefits, this country would not turn someone away whos homeless and just arrived here with no shelter/money; why do you honestley think they travel across 20+ countries and the English Channel to come to the United Kingdom?

..what do people like you not understand, people here do not want uncontrolled immigration & do not want European Union yet you continue to force it down on us.[/QUOTE]

Complete idiot. If people are growing up with this mindset then I'm worried. It's a small minority that reject the EU, so stop pulling stuff like that out of your tail pipe. Of course no one wants uncontrolled immigration but leaving the EU is not the way to do it. Stop jumping on "Look at me I'm different and smart" bandwagons and try to figure out the world you live in before you bring your propaganda in here.

[Ardemax]

I have no called you racist at all, would you like to point out where I have called you racist?

I have said before and I will say it again, anybody who does not agree with the left is labelled racist, homophobic or xenophobic and you have just proven it with what you have just stated above, you refuse to accept that people have other opinions to yours

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[-:Undertaker:-]

Their have been educated guesses from across the board, if Labour knew this was false then they would of said so, but they dont. They are not rules, hence why we wouldn't have uncontrolled immigration to this country. These people do get benefits, this country would not turn someone away whos homeless and just arrived here with no shelter/money; why do you honestley think they travel across 20+ countries and the English Channel to come to the United Kingdom?

..what do people like you not understand, people here do not want uncontrolled immigration & do not want European Union yet you continue to force it down on us.

Complete idiot. If people are growing up with this mindset then I'm worried. It's a small minority that reject the EU, so stop pulling stuff like that out of your tail pipe. Of course no one wants uncontrolled immigration but leaving the EU is not the way to do it. Stop jumping on "Look at me I'm different and smart" bandwagons and try to figure out the world you live in before you bring your propaganda in here.[/QUOTE]

I'm an idiot for disagreeing with you? - yet again the left wing shows its true colours, and inability to accept that other people have different opinions to your own, just as the European Union refused to accept the Irish no vote, just as it refuses to accept the view of the Czech President without smearing him and threatening the Czech Republic, just like it refused to accept the votes of France and the Netherlands and just like our very own government refuses to accept people want a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, and the European Union itself.

The large majority do not want the European Union, hence why we are not given a referendum - why do you not understand this very simple fact? - you are so arrogant it is unreal. I am afraid leaving the European Union is the way to do it, as we cannot control properly immigration from eastern europe. My views are no different to the views on the public, hence why the two parties who represent views most similar to mine both came first and second in the European Paliamentary Elections 2009.

I have my own mind, can make my own choices and just because they do not reflect your views does not mean I have been indoctrinated by the Daily Mail or Telegraph, maybe it is time people stopped mentioning the Daily Mail and debate the issues as I am.

Ardemax - if you read that properly and had any grasp of the English language, you'd know that I am referring to you as the left, and that therefore I am not calling you racist at all.

[Wig44.]

I'm an idiot for disagreeing with you? - yet again the left wing shows its true colours, and inability to accept that other people have different opinions to your own, just as the European Union refused to accept the Irish no vote, just as it refuses to accept the view of the Czech President without smearing him and threatening the Czech Republic, just like it refused to accept the votes of France and the Netherlands and just like our very own government refuses to accept people want a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, and the European Union itself.

The large majority do not want the European Union, hence why we are not given a referendum - why do you not understand this very simple fact? - you are so arrogant it is unreal. I am afraid leaving the European Union is the way to do it, as we cannot control properly immigration from eastern europe. My views are no different to the views on the public, hence why the two parties who represent views most similar to mine both came first and second in the European Paliamentary Elections 2009.

I have my own mind, can make my own choices and just because they do not reflect your views does not mean I have been indoctrinated by the Daily Mail or Telegraph, maybe it is time people stopped mentioning the Daily Mail and debate the issues as I am.

Ardemax - if you read that properly and had any grasp of the English language, you'd know that I am referring to you as the left, and that therefore I am not calling you racist at all.

I'm not the arrogant one - you are. I think it's arrogant that you judge me to be left wing, have I openly declared where I am? Just because I don't share your views on the EU I become left wing. Absolutely not. Do you truly believe we could eliminate illegal immigration by leaving the EU, becuase if you do you are deluded. We could reduce it yes, and if your argument is solely based on reducing immigration then yes, leaving the EU would be a step forward. But for the greater good of the UK leaving the EU is a stupid idea. For instance travelling anywhere in the EU would become harder, our economy would be hit far harder than before as the UK lacks to ability to sustain it's economy without the EU. Nobody should leave the EU.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm not the arrogant one - you are. I think it's arrogant that you judge me to be left wing, have I openly declared where I am? Just because I don't share your views on the EU I become left wing. Absolutely not. Do you truly believe we could eliminate illegal immigration by leaving the EU, becuase if you do you are deluded. We could reduce it yes, and if your argument is solely based on reducing immigration then yes, leaving the EU would be a step forward. But for the greater good of the UK leaving the EU is a stupid idea. For instance travelling anywhere in the EU would become harder, our economy would be hit far harder than before as the UK lacks to ability to sustain it's economy without the EU. Nobody should leave the EU.

I did not say you declared yourself left wing now did I? - maybe its time people stop putting words in my mouth for once. I merely have always thought, and still question how anybody could be right-wing yet support an organisation which is full of left wing failures such as Tony Blair, Neil Kinnock, Peter Mandelson and various others who have passed through Brussels and ended up with a nice fat pension at the end of it.

I did not say we could truly eliminate illegal immigration by leaving the European Union, however gaining back control of our own borders from the EU is a nessacery step and pulling away from the human rights regulations concerning illegal immigrants that the EU imposes on us is a nessecery step.

On the issue of travel around the European Union, we still have to show our passports when travelling around Europe, so much for free travel. On the economy, the EU has said itself that the UK is one of the worst economies in the EU and that the UK, Italy and Ireland are in most danger of basically going bankrupt. The rest of the world still trades fine, and their economies are in better shape than ours - and guess what? - they are not in the EU!

[DaveN]

live their life normally

if they've fled from Afghanistan or something, it would be stupid to send them back.

If they fled from persecution in their own country why didn't they stop in the first safe country they arrived in?

[Ardemax]

If they fled from persecution in their own country why didn't they stop in the first safe country they arrived in?

sometimes the safe country they come across is britain, as persecution comes in different forms...

[DaveN]

sometimes the safe country they come across is britain, as persecution comes in different forms...

Any EU country is considered safe, why continue to Britian?

[alexxxxx]

if anyone knows exactly what happens is that the uk border force works in france, catches illegal immigrants (not asylum seekers) but obviously has to give them to the french. The french being useless in this department let them go to try once more. These people can't claim UK asylum in France, they can only claim it once theyve made it to the UK. But obviously the majority of these illegals don't want to claim asylum they want to work in the UK illegally, which you can't do (legally) as an asylum seeker. Asylum seekers are not entitled to work and get very minimal benefits (lower than unemployment benefits) until they can be sent home. Failed asylum seekers are sent home with nothing. Legal immigrants with visas (usually) don't have access to public funds and have to support themselves until they apply for british citizenship.

Apart from exceptional circumstances, these immigrants need to have a job secured or be incredibly qualified (ie university degree and earning money in their old country) before being allowed in anyway.