Suggestion to bring in more members.

[scottish]

No, 64% would like to see the feature added aslong with posts lowered
16% would like to see 15 lwoered to 5 and no limits
20% would like no changes

so 64% agree with you, 36% disagree

[StefanWolves]

No, 64% would like to see the feature added aslong with posts lowered
16% would like to see 15 lwoered to 5 and no limits
20% would like no changes

so 64% agree with you, 36% disagree

No, 16% agree with one of my proposals, 64% agree with both of my proposals, meaning 80% do agree with me one way or another.

20% disagree 80% agree.

[FlyingJesus]

20-4 says it all, changes need to be made. (that means only 1 in 6 disagree with these ideas. If you want me to put that into a percentage then that means that 83% of the people who voted in the poll agree with me.)

If you're gonna talk percentages and figures why are you ignoring the stats I came up with that clearly show our membership is increasing at much the same rate as it was this time last year but posting is down a massive amount, proving that we don't need MORE members only ones who will stay

People poll on changes all the time, but who's actually come up with something to show that this will work other than "well we might as well give it a go"?

[StefanWolves]

If you're gonna talk percentages and figures why are you ignoring the stats I came up with that clearly show our membership is increasing at much the same rate as it was this time last year but posting is down a massive amount, proving that we don't need MORE members only ones who will stay

People poll on changes all the time, but who's actually come up with something to show that this will work other than "well we might as well give it a go"?

I'm not ignoring the stats, if you look in your thread I actually posted, so I don't know where you got that codswallop from. Yes, membership MAY be increasing, but nothing is being done to keep those members here. Fact is if we get MORE members in and make changes to KEEP them here, then the forum will be better for it.

What are you talking about? you still haven't brought stats to me showing that it WOULDN'T work, so you really cannot say anything. Yes, we can only see whether this will work or not is to trial it for a month.

I don't know what your problem is, are you against change or something? because at the moment you are stuck in 2005 and not 2009.

Also by posting what you did you are also disregarding the 22 people out of 27 people that have agreed that changes do need to be made. (1 of which has previously been implemented).

[FlyingJesus]

I wasn't here in 2005, hiya xoxo. Also 2009 doesn't mean (or shouldn't mean) that you have to force people to join up for things. If that's true then the case is already lost

You say we have to get more members and make changes to keep them here, but this plan has nothing to do with keeping anyone here, only (potentially) getting more members which as explained isn't necessary, and there is the loss of traffic risk too which has been said a fair few times and you admitted that you didn't realise it was a factor when you made this thread, so it's clearly flawed.

As I said, people ALWAYS poll for change, so disenfranchising the views of a few members who apparently neither understand nor care about the situation enough to properly comment past "yeah gd plan x" isn't something I see as too terrible

[StefanWolves]

I wasn't here in 2005, hiya xoxo. Also 2009 doesn't mean (or shouldn't mean) that you have to force people to join up for things. If that's true then the case is already lost

You say we have to get more members and make changes to keep them here, but this plan has nothing to do with keeping anyone here, only (potentially) getting more members which as explained isn't necessary, and there is the loss of traffic risk too which has been said a fair few times and you admitted that you didn't realise it was a factor when you made this thread, so it's clearly flawed.

As I said, people ALWAYS poll for change, so disenfranchising the views of a few members who apparently neither understand nor care about the situation enough to properly comment past "yeah gd plan x" isn't something I see as too terrible

Wow, maybe you should keep track of your own thread in future, I posted there only two days ago, didn't you check?

Very nice OP.

I agree with the person who said have a couple of people dedicated to approving posts. Hell, I would take the job, it'd be something to do, and i'd be helping HxF out, if posts get approved quicker, users will keep coming back, if they take ages to go through (sometimes hours) then users won't bother coming back, FACT. I also agree with the person who agreed with my idea of limiting the amount of threads that guests can view, but I don't think that is going to happen. People keep saying it will be a disadvantage to the forum, but I am yet to see proof of that.

I don't think we should be doing things like 'quests' and forum games, I think that is totally off the mark, yes it may HELP users stay on the forum, but it still doesn't sort out the problem of actually getting people to sign up. If more people sign up = more chance of more active members, FACT. Which is why I suggested we bring in the limit on guests viewing threads, even if it's for a 1-3 month trial, try it out, that's the only way that we will find out if it is worth it. Then if we see an increase in USERS, then we can implement changes into the forum itself in order to make those newer members stay on the forum, and encourage them to become more active.

And yes I agree, maybe our main problem is Elitism, maybe we could have a section for new members just to post, and where only HxF staff can post back (this could be called the 'Sand box' or something, or just make the 'welcome forum' staff replies only). This would mean they would get nice polite replies from high forum members, and it would encourage them to stay, they would feel more welcome.

1. Make the 'welcome forum'/new 'Sand Box' staff replies only.
2. Trial: Introduce the limit on guests viewing threads.
3. IF the trial is successful: introduce newer forums or forum activities like 'quests' and 'games'.

I also agree with the person who said advertise via HabboxLive, that is A GREAT IDEA, it could be a great source of getting new members, and could be an even greater source if we take advantage of these newer members, with the three suggestions that I have given above.

You could also introduce a very strict rule where something like if new members get taken the piss out of but without actually breaking rules, then they could get a warning or something. Just something needs to be done about newer members getting flamed.

1. Give out a notice/pm to the WHOLE forum telling them that they need to change their attitudes towards newer members. Also notifying them of the 'new rule toward newer members'
2. If they are still rude and have bad attitudes towards newer members, enforce the new rule and give them a warning straight off, and if they continue then make it an infraction.

Just a few ideas I thought up there, most of you won't agree with all of these, but hey, this is the feedback forum, and those are the changes that I believe need to be brought in.

I actually praised you for getting some proof, but I still don't see you giving proof to me that states that the plan on restricting members will NOT work? please explain to my why most other MAJOR forums already have this implemented? yet they are thriving.

You seem to want to 'argue your point', when really you don't have one, you have no proof. I admit, I have no proof, but if other forums are using and keep using it then it means it can only be successful, forums aren't going to be using it if it doesn't work, are they?

[FlyingJesus]

Wow, maybe you should keep track of your own thread in future, I posted there only two days ago, didn't you check?

Don't even know what you're on about here, I didn't mention my thread at all.

I actually praised you for getting some proof, but I still don't see you giving proof to me that states that the plan on restricting members will NOT work? please explain to my why most other MAJOR forums already have this implemented? yet they are thriving.

You seem to want to 'argue your point', when really you don't have one, you have no proof. I admit, I have no proof, but if other forums are using and keep using it then it means it can only be successful, forums aren't going to be using it if it doesn't work, are they?

We aren't most forums though, because Habbox is the biggest rare values site for Habbo, which is where most of our members and guests come from. A massive amount of our guests are people who just come here from the main site to see what's going on, maybe look at a couple of news thread or check trading trends, but aren't in the least bit interested in signing up unless they want to participate - in which case they'll do so of their own volition as already happens. For forums that rely on new members as an influx of traffic yes it's worth the risk of losing such a number of unique guests, but here where (especially with the decline of VIP/donator) we need ad revenue so much, I'd rather see us have less members but stability than see us having a few more people posting 3 times and a massive cut in the number of guests we get.

A new generation of positive and active members isn't going to come around by making people join who weren't really planning to.

[StefanWolves]

We aren't most forums though, because Habbox is the biggest rare values site for Habbo, which is where most of our members and guests come from.

I think you are getting confused between Habbox and Habbox Forum. I'm guessing most people who come to the forum part of Habbox is because of hearsay and friends telling them to go their.

A massive amount of our guests are people who just come here from the main site to see what's going on, maybe look at a couple of news thread or check trading trends, but aren't in the least bit interested in signing up unless they want to participate - in which case they'll do so of their own volition as already happens.

I don't agree with that at all, I think the main people who come here are from word of mouth on Habbo/MSN, and probably HabboxLive advertising.

For forums that rely on new members as an influx of traffic yes it's worth the risk of losing such a number of unique guests, but here where (especially with the decline of VIP/donator) we need ad revenue so much, I'd rather see us have less members but stability than see us having a few more people posting 3 times and a massive cut in the number of guests we get.

You aren't really in a position to preach to anyone about how much revenue HxF need, until a senior member of staff comes here and tells us how much they need to stay a float and how much they are gaining via Advertising and Donator then you can't say anything. Much less members = less posts = over the long time less guests = less money over all = the forum closing. More members = overall more guests because of word of mouth = more money over all = forum prospering.

A new generation of positive and active members isn't going to come around by making people join who weren't really planning to.

So what do you suggest to get more members here? because all I see is you flaming this suggestion. Yet you fail to pull out any suggestions of your own. I believe the post I posted in your thread is the way forward. I also believe the suggestions I suggested in this thread is the way forward, as do 20-odd other people. Positive and active members aren't going to come by not doing nothing. Action needs to happen.

[FlyingJesus]

The opening of your last paragraph just shows you haven't been paying any attention whatsoever. I do not care for bringing a larger number of new members in, as you should know by now. What I care about is getting the people who already join up (of which there are more than enough) to actually stay and become active, which would be why I've not posted a way to get more people to sign up. Also I'm not "flaming" your suggestion at all, I'm explaining with well thought-out reasons why I don't agree. Flaming would just be me going NAH CRAP IDEA and no more.

[Black_Apalachi]

yeah definitely. they do it on chf, i remember cause it's why i signed up there ha

Same lol. I think it's a good idea to make guests register after a few threads viewed. As you say, it can't really have any negative effects on the forum.