Security alert on Heathrow Airport plane

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Things like that will always be a threat, theres only so much a government can and should intrude into to stop crime/terrorism.

[Invent]

You cannot force somebody to think something, thats why dictatorships never work in the end and crumble and thats why socialism didn't work.

WHAT?! Brainwashing is completely different to dictatorship. They are two completely different things when it comes down to the way they're performed :S

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WHAT?! Brainwashing is completely different to dictatorship. They are two completely different things when it comes down to the way they're performed :S

I never said they were the same, although they are both linked. A dictatorship works on the belief that intially force must be used to start power, and to continue power brainwashing must be used. See the Khamer Rogue & Pol Pot.

[Invent]

I never said they were the same, although they are both linked. A dictatorship works on the belief that intially force must be used to start power, and to continue power brainwashing must be used. See the Khamer Rogue & Pol Pot.

You're saying that it won't work because dictatorship doesn't. The two aren't linked in the most important way - the way they are performed. Brainwashing is performed on an individual and is a very personal thing in terms of the way they'd actually get in to your mind to brainwash you.

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You're saying that it won't work because dictatorship doesn't. The two aren't linked in the most important way - the way they are performed. Brainwashing is performed on an individual and is a very personal thing in terms of the way they'd actually get in to your mind to brainwash you.

Brasinwashing doesn't work, not on a state level or a individual level. Yeah you can fool someone, even mellow their opinion to an extent. The point you are getting across though; a terrorist cannot brainwash you, me or and other sane person into blowing up a plane.

[Seatherny]

You cannot force somebody to think something, thats why dictatorships never work in the end and crumble and thats why socialism didn't work.



Totally correct on how terrorism lives, and totally agree. The thing I do not agree with is the message which seems to be that people can suddenly become terrorists by other terrorists somehow brainwashing them.

Extremism is deep within somebody, it doesn't come from your local terrorist as I have been saying all along in this thread.

Yeah you can, and thats called brainwashing. Like I said, you don't seem to know what brainwashing means ...

I never said they were the same, although they are both linked. A dictatorship works on the belief that intially force must be used to start power, and to continue power brainwashing must be used. See the Khamer Rogue & Pol Pot.

If you know they aren't the same, then why compare them?
Brainwashing is them changing your opinion etc. Dictatorship is "You will do what I say regardless of what you think". They don't go around trying to change peoples mind. Its "what I say happens, forget what you think".

They can brainwash anyone. You obviously don't know how any of this works.

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Yeah you can, and thats called brainwashing. Like I said, you don't seem to know what brainwashing means ...

If you know they aren't the same, then why compare them?
Brainwashing is them changing your opinion etc. Dictatorship is "You will do what I say regardless of what you think". They don't go around trying to change peoples mind. Its "what I say happens, forget what you think".

They can brainwash anyone. You obviously don't know how any of this works.

I do understand very well thanks, brainwashing is not automatic as you seem to think it is. Brain-washing can only occur if somebody has deep feelings within that are similar, a terrorist cannot sit me down and convince me to blow up a plane it just does not happen.

On dictatorship, again you don't get the point. A dictatorship relys to survive on the notion of 're-education' aka brainwashing. It does not work. I suggest you go and read about the Khamer Rogue & Pol Pot, the Nazis and wartime propaganda and China under Chairman Mao and maybe then you will get what I mean - none of it worked, yes they kept power but they never had anybody genuinely convinced to be on their side.

[Seatherny]

I do understand very well thanks, brainwashing is not automatic as you seem to think it is. Brain-washing can only occur if somebody has deep feelings within that are similar, a terrorist cannot sit me down and convince me to blow up a plane it just does not happen.

On dictatorship, again you don't get the point. A dictatorship relys to survive on the notion of 're-education' aka brainwashing. It does not work. I suggest you go and read about the Khamer Rogue & Pol Pot, the Nazis and wartime propaganda and China under Chairman Mao and maybe then you will get what I mean - none of it worked, yes they kept power but they never had anybody genuinely convinced to be on their side.

Like I said, in dictatorship its different. They dont concentrate on 1 person and keep working on that one person. Brainwashing is more personal and they can brainwash anyone. You have obviously never read up on it or done psychology.

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Like I said, in dictatorship its different. They dont concentrate on 1 person and keep working on that one person. Brainwashing is more personal and they can brainwash anyone. You have obviously never read up on it or done psychology.

They cannot brainwash you - just like married couples who have been together all their lives, one may support the Conservatives and the other may support Labour - they could debate/discuss their points to eachother everyday and it still wouldn't change the others opinion.

I think this was on whether or not terrorists could brainwash OAPs? - no, they couldn't to put it simply.

[Seatherny]

They cannot brainwash you - just like married couples who have been together all their lives, one may support the Conservatives and the other may support Labour - they could debate/discuss their points to eachother everyday and it still wouldn't change the others opinion.

I think this was on whether or not terrorists could brainwash OAPs? - no, they couldn't to put it simply.

Yeah sorry I forgot every couple who have different views try and use brainwashing techniques on each other.