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[Mr-Trainor]

Well, it would be nice if every item had a tag then, wouldn't it.

Trax section for example, trax 'discs' are tradeable, trax machines are not. Habbox doesn't tell you either of these things.

Secondly, what's the point of release dates of furniture? Because I'm pretty sure the Throne wasn't released in 2010...

With over 3500 items it's going to take a while to get tags on every item. But actually, the furni editors are all making great progress atm with doing so. Back in May I set up a thread to basically list what needs doing for each category, as before that you'd have to go looking for items with no tags . So hopefully it won't be too long before every category has tags. At the moment, I just counted 171 of 181 categories having tags .

Then how come Habbox put on furniture that has just been discovered, that hasn't even seen light on the hotel yet?

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=781182

And Sam, why aren't you allowed to just post competitions whenever you want? It seems a bit crap that you have to ask to do more competitions...

I added them :L, but because it's nice to have the items there as soon as Habbo upload them because they could be released at any time, and with the images etc already done they only have to be moved to the right category and maybe have their tags updated .

[Grig]

To be honest, the whole international side of Habbox is a joke and is not taken seriously, apart starting to at HabboxLive in recent weeks, where we were seeing an increase in international DJs and listeners. The rest is all backwards and no one even cares to fix it.

To prove my point, let's go back to 208 or 9 when Bomb-Head was Events Manager. You had a rank called International Events Organizer and there were applications exclusively for internationals, much like there are on HabboxLive. Now, nothing? International events are a joke and no one even attempts to make it better. I was DJing earlier on today at 2 am UK time, was at an event and barely anyone was there. Apart from a few regulars and staff who were mostly either in the host or VIP areas.

Forum has an international presence now with at least an international mod, which is great, but would be good if not everything occurs during prime time. Would be great that the forum did not die overnight UK time and there was stuff happening.

Personally, all community departments, particularly events and competitions should work together to push each other during international times, because I remember in the past, I think this was around 2 years ago, HabboxLive had a large number of international staff. Yet, the other departments did not bother to help out in international times at all and would just take benefit from one department at least trying.

I can go on about other issues, but find this one to be a problem at Habbox, where things are even going backwards, not forwards with ints.

[FlyingJesus]

Encouraging people to advertise is something we are currently working on. I cannot stress enough how many times we've mentioned this

You mentioning it lots of times is kinda the point. This has been an issue since at least as long as the news non-update issue (probably longer since the post does refer to earlier suggestions) and it's still a huge problem even with the same culprits as back then, so clearly it's not actually being worked on just looked at and walked past

These days its an even harder job, in terms of a less interest in fansites in general and declining numbers across the board. Unfortunately solutions cannot be put into place overnight, but most of these problems are affecting multiple departments, and moreso the community in general as these days there just feels to be less of a community feel, and moreso groups. I think in some aspects skype is to blame for this, and it sounds totally weird but back then we didn't rely on all that so much, we bonded on the forum, we got involved with the community and we bonded on Habbo whilst in events/the helpdesk etc, but these days people just skype each other.

It was msn before skype and that's been the case ever since I can remember, so can't really blame lack of forum interaction on other mediums. If it is as you say a harder job now then it's even more reason to be stricter on how it's does rather than allowing your staff to continue day after day to not only be completely unwilling to do anything remotely helpful for the community but not even host the event properly. There's no community feeling because no-one is propagating one

Last night was a prime example of how it can work, and how an event that late at night can attract a really good amount of visitors, and I've heard lots of advertising occurred during that event which is good. I just hope once we do get the members that they stick around.

but does it get to the point where we need to remove people who don't advertise, don't interact enough etc?

Yes of course it does, and has! As I've said before I like your enthusiasm but if you're not willing to actually solve the problems that the department face instead of throwing coins in a wishing well and hoping it all gets better then I'm not really sure why you're in management

I'm not sure if you read this, but just over a week ago I did promise that we would work on the whole advertising/interaction thing, and we are currently discussing it and we will be talking to Mike about it and seeing what he thinks.

I did see it, and I saw it 3 months ago when the same thing was said too

Okay I was going to stay out of this for multiple reasons but I just have to say that removing graphics is pretty much a non-option... and I think anyone who thinks it *is* an option might be a little bit mental. I've noticed that recently (last few months), graphics produced by the department are not always at 100% (no idea who made them though!) and may not look super professional gorgeous everyone loves them but in all honesty it's probably better than what most department managers can manage. On top of that it's stupid things, like badges, donator bars, buttons, stupid things which are easy for other people to do but would just take up time, so we take that off their mind.

If I'm missing something here, do enlighten me.

Mostly the fact that it's not a constant workload so there's no real way of evaluating staff performance properly. Also there are plenty of people around the forum who do graphics on request without being staff - I did a HxHD advertisement sig for a staff member recently because there were no graphic staff on at the time and it didn't seem worth waiting for the request to be processed, allocated, submitted, checked, and then released when the person requesting it knew I could get it over and done with in 10 minutes. It's a department that needs at most 1 member of staff to manage requests in a proper request forum or something, and the rest can involve *+*DUN DUN DUN*+* the community

What else would I suggest? well, maybe Award badges and chunks of reputation should start being handed out for someone who completes a reasonable Wikipedia page. Open something like that up to the forum - 100 rep points & an Award page for each page completed. Whether people will take the challenge who knows, but at least there's an incentive to involve non-staff and get more pages finished/up.

Things like that would definitely promote the wiki (and its evolution) without the unnecessary burden of checking staff and having fixed roles for people who may just want to get involved every now and then rather than be held down to it. The same goes for other things like graphics as above, RV where it already is somewhat in place since the best "freelancers" as I suppose they are get rewarded with staff placements when they become available, and news which could be done very easily if the proposed update to the department was actually put in place - it all boils down to getting the community involved and not carrying on with this segregation of staff and members that's been essentially mandated for the past few years now

[Yawn]

i think sack every moderator in help desk apart from cerys and sack all forum moderators

this thread is exhausting some1 close it fast

[e5]

If there were no moderators who would close it?
Guess we are lucky FJ is vip and can close his own I guess :rolleyes:

i think sack every moderator in help desk apart from cerys and sack all forum moderators

this thread is exhausting some1 close it fast

[Kardan]

I really wouldn't say that I think the people working on V7 have the easiest job of them all

That's a good one

---------- Post added 24-06-2013 at 11:38 AM ----------

With over 3500 items it's going to take a while to get tags on every item. But actually, the furni editors are all making great progress atm with doing so. Back in May I set up a thread to basically list what needs doing for each category, as before that you'd have to go looking for items with no tags . So hopefully it won't be too long before every category has tags. At the moment, I just counted 171 of 181 categories having tags .

I added them :L, but because it's nice to have the items there as soon as Habbo upload them because they could be released at any time, and with the images etc already done they only have to be moved to the right category and maybe have their tags updated .

I'll let you off on the tags, the one category I decided to visit didn't have them, so my bad

---------- Post added 24-06-2013 at 11:43 AM ----------

The Wikipedia pages are well written in that the basics are there and we also have to remember that not everybody (even Content staff) will have the best of English skills that are expected on say the real world Wikipedia. As long as the basics are down on the Wiki, hopefully over time it will be improved and added on to - sometimes i'll browse and edit bits, or do entire new pages such as HHGS or the RV series I was writing and which i'll continue with over the next few months whenever I feel motivated by it.

I'd like to see the Wiki become more of a community thing and take some of the burden off the Content department - I suggested to Chris & Matt the other week that for example, department pages on the Wiki should become the responsibility of each department rather than having Sam and other having to trawl through the Announcements for every department. It makes sense - each department will be more motivated editing their own Wiki and keeping it up to date than a stranger will.

What else would I suggest? well, maybe Award badges and chunks of reputation should start being handed out for someone who completes a reasonable Wikipedia page. Open something like that up to the forum - 100 rep points & an Award page for each page completed. Whether people will take the challenge who knows, but at least there's an incentive to involve non-staff and get more pages finished/up.

Regarding the Wiki, it's not so much the English that bothers me, I'm aware that this is a site for teenagers, not Wikipedia Admins And I'm aware there will be mistakes that will be corrected (hopefully) as time goes on... Seplling mistakes do bother me, as you would assume people would have spell-checked their work, but once again, it's a minor thing.

The one thing that bothers me most about the Wiki, is that it's got too much opinion in on it. A wiki should be full of facts, I don't need a story telling to me, e.g:

The Competitions Manager at the time, Inseriousity., was against this strongly and argued against it saying that it was "pointless".

Of course, this is just my opinion. The content team might like it that way I just find that sort of stuff annoying, there's not much of it, but I do notice it.

Also, I could be totally wrong here, but on pages where you say 'And the rare value price is XXX', I'm guessing this doesn't update automatically? (Since some of the prices are off) Why do you have out-of-date rare values on the wiki? I'm sure you could have a price that updates daily automatically, or you could simply link to Habbox Rare Values... Correct me if I'm wrong though

[Yawn]

well lets just say im planning to overthrow chris and become head moder8r

[Kardan]

Also, I did say a while back, that the cause for most of these issues was having seperate departments essentially competing over the same thing. Clearly, merging is out of the question, but getting teams to work together more would help a lot.

I said a while back that Events/HxL need to work together more, and News/Content/Graphics do as well. I'm not sure what happened to the 'Guides' staff, but as people saw from the massive thread that was created on it, News and Content wanted it for themselves and didn't fancy working together (Even though content is pretty much a subset of News right now?).


[Inb4 people tell me 'WELL ITZ A GOOD FING U R NOT IN CHARGE!!11SHIFT]


If I was in charge, I would restructure everything, something like this:

Client Department (Events/HxL/HxHD)
Forum Department (Comps/Moderation/Debates)
Site Department (News/Content/Graphics/Guides/Rare Values)

It would make there be less managers, more staff would work with other staff. There would be no quotas, and no limits either. So if somebody wants to do X competitions a week, let them. Let it be a lot more fluid. Don't need quotas, simply give warnings to people that aren't putting in enough effort. Some people are bound to do more than others. And this doesn't mean, 'All events staff have to become DJs, all Graphics staff have to do Rare Values', but staff can easily do work for similiar departments then need be, rather than 4/5/6+ managers having to keep an eye on the same staff member.

Three managers, each with an assistant, so only 6 management positions. All report to the Community Manager, who reports to the General Manager. So essentially just 8 management positions, plus Jin and Sierk.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Regarding the Wiki, it's not so much the English that bothers me, I'm aware that this is a site for teenagers, not Wikipedia Admins And I'm aware there will be mistakes that will be corrected (hopefully) as time goes on... Seplling mistakes do bother me, as you would assume people would have spell-checked their work, but once again, it's a minor thing.

The one thing that bothers me most about the Wiki, is that it's got too much opinion in on it. A wiki should be full of facts, I don't need a story telling to me, e.g:

But if Inseriousity was against (the subject matter) then that should surely be documented. For example, most would agree on here that the majority disapproved at the time with the way ---MAD--- was running the forum - that should be documented. The page shouldn't be a slur of his time as General Manager, certainly not, but it should take into account events and feelings at the time - otherwise we might aswell just have pages full of dates and nothing more.

The truth is, many events are best taught as stories - I find pages detailing an entire event as a commentary much more interesting than some of the other pages where it's just something like below...

-:Undertaker:- worked as a RV Reporter.

He then joined Content and left two months later.

He had a trade room.

List of Jobs Held

RV Reporter x to x
RVM x to x
Content x to x

Much better to have information and a flow in the pages than vague (and boring) lines of information and dull facts.

If an event is being discussed on the Wiki and it's related to say Inseriosity then I want to know what Inseriousity made of it at the time as it might be key in gaging an understand of what happened at the time and how it was viewed - much like the real Wikipedia articles.

Also, I could be totally wrong here, but on pages where you say 'And the rare value price is XXX', I'm guessing this doesn't update automatically? (Since some of the prices are off) Why do you have out-of-date rare values on the wiki? I'm sure you could have a price that updates daily automatically, or you could simply link to Habbox Rare Values... Correct me if I'm wrong though

Is this referring to my series on rare values? completely wrong if so. The pages I created are a history of rare values - not the actual rare values. The reason why i've listed many rares at the prices they attained at the time is to provide evidence for the claims I make when I say for example that there was a 'summer rise' or a '2008 boom' - I list the values of some rares back then to show what happened with the rare values market.

The clue is in the name, History of the British Rare Values Market.

[Kardan]

But if Inseriousity was against (the subject matter) then that should surely be documented. For example, most would agree on here that the majority disapproved at the time with the way ---MAD--- was running the forum - that should be documented. The page shouldn't be a slur of his time as General Manager, certainly not, but it should take into account events and feelings at the time - otherwise we might aswell just have pages full of dates and nothing more.

The truth is, many events are best taught as stories - I find pages detailing an entire event as a commentary much more interesting than some of the other pages where it's just something like below...



Much better to have information and a flow in the pages than vague (and boring) lines of information and dull facts.



Is this referring to my series on rare values? completely wrong if so. The pages I created are a history of rare values - not the actual rare values. The reason why i've listed many rares at the prices they attained at the time is to provide evidence for the claims I make when I say for example that there was a 'summer rise' or a '2008 boom' - I list the values of some rares back then to show what happened with the rare values market.

The clue is in the name, History of the British Rare Values Market.

Fair enough in regards to the first part of the post, just my personal preference

Secondly, it's got nothing to do with your History articles, they're great It's more the wiki pages for individual rares

E.g: http://habboxwiki.com/Silver_Dragon_Lamp