BaW Group 2

[Okeanos]

Just make sure the BAW office isn't just a rebranded twilight house like the RBI one was lol

the BAW main room that i saw (not sure if they're still using it) was just a direct copy of rakker's building site room. lol

[Kyle]

the BAW main room that i saw (not sure if they're still using it) was just a direct copy of rakker's building site room. lol

Well Rakker is kind of the man behind the spawn of BAW so at least it makes more sense than a nondescript house in the trees.

[Hidden]

You're the one saying use imagination and be creative when the majority of rooms that came out of your events had rollers, one way gates and coloured tiles. I didn't mean that the whole room has to be executive, but the main design for agencies involves executive so it's good to keep with the theme; for example if we were to build a room that reflects casinos and I used Pura and lodge from BC then I don't think that would work. We're building a HQ for BaW which will be an office and we're not using executive, but going to do our own creative design.

Yes, we are going to promote BC by showing what can be achieved with it, and that's what we've done with our first project - you're exaggerating on my point. If my point is invalid, then why do staff not care if people have furniture or not upon joining BaW? All I'm saying is there's tonnes of furni ranges out there and if we only used BC furni we'd be limited and constantly producing the same styled rooms, which I'm sure you're quite familiar with yourself.

I have no idea what 'events' you're talking about considering I've hosted a raceway which had no rollers or colour tiles with like 5 one way gates? Which was over a year a go then 1 fansite event that I made which was colour tiles and gates and an unofficial snake maze with rollers obviously. I barely ever make room anymore because it's completely pointless so you must be confused by the person you're attempting to insult lol.

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the BAW main room that i saw (not sure if they're still using it) was just a direct copy of rakker's building site room. lol

If it's not the EXACT same, Pivot probably made it he uses Rakkers designs for most of his rooms to pretend he built them and adds lot's of rares.

[TheBoredom]

since being friendly and politically correct about it doesn't work, time to be blunt:

Quit being butthurt you didn't get picked. There is no favoritism here. We were chosen because staff felt we were what they needed on the team - plain and simple. stop trying to dig for an underlying reason that isn't there, you are only making yourself look bitter and pathetic. Saying that BaW should only be allowed to use BC is just plain moronic. Why don't you go make something using NOTHING but BC, then come back when you realize how HORRIBLE it looks? As far as who does or does not help with projects: WHY DO YOU CARE?! We have been told by STAFF that we can have outside help. I don't need your permission or approval, so get over yourself. An application process is stupid, it doesn't show any involvement in the community. Being able to build nice rooms is only ONE aspect of BaW, you have to also be a part of the community and be involved in events and activities. I know when you guys say "people don't belong on the team, they don't even build" you guys are talking about me. I may not have rooms built right now, but in the 12+ years i've been playing i have had my share of rooms that were obviously good enough to catch people's attention enough that i was suggested. I've also participated on various small RBI projects, and helped people with other rooms that weren't for competition or anything, but just for their room or for fun. I don't enter competitions because the prizes always suck and it's not worth my time and effort (yes, I DO have a life outside of Habbo, some of you should consider getting one....)

If you don't like the BaW team, then don't participate in our events, and don't visit our rooms; it's that simple. If you are mad you didn't make the team, just remember BaW JUST got started, and there will be more opportunities. Continue building, maybe try offering some assistance to current BaW members, talk to staff (don't harass them about it though.) and see what happens. It is not an elite group, it is not favoritism, it's a list of people who were in RBI, who have been active, and who were recommended. THAT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE. And for all we know, they may expand outside of RBI in later seasons, i think they are just using that as a starting point for reference - people they KNOW will do well because they've already been involved before.

This is beyond out of hand and approaching pathetic. We get it, some people think they have some reason to be upset by the people who were chosen - good for you. The choice has been made. Deal with it. Grow up. You don't even know what we have in store yet, and you haven't even seen what we can do yet, so just shut the hell up and wait. don't pass judgement until we have a TRUE chance for ALL of us to shine (not just 24 hours for a few people to throw something together...)

Subo said it better than i could have:

ppl are so unreasonable lol

they will moan about literally anything and u cant win either way its pointless

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[MKR&*42]

Crying at hidden criticising a room builder's group after his shambolic viking entry.

[Kyle]

since being friendly and politically correct about it doesn't work, time to be blunt:

Quit being butthurt you didn't get picked. There is no favoritism here. We were chosen because staff felt we were what they needed on the team - plain and simple. stop trying to dig for an underlying reason that isn't there, you are only making yourself look bitter and pathetic. Saying that BaW should only be allowed to use BC is just plain moronic. Why don't you go make something using NOTHING but BC, then come back when you realize how HORRIBLE it looks? As far as who does or does not help with projects: WHY DO YOU CARE?! We have been told by STAFF that we can have outside help. I don't need your permission or approval, so get over yourself. An application process is stupid, it doesn't show any involvement in the community. Being able to build nice rooms is only ONE aspect of BaW, you have to also be a part of the community and be involved in events and activities. I know when you guys say "people don't belong on the team, they don't even build" you guys are talking about me. I may not have rooms built right now, but in the 12+ years i've been playing i have had my share of rooms that were obviously good enough to catch people's attention enough that i was suggested. I've also participated on various small RBI projects, and helped people with other rooms that weren't for competition or anything, but just for their room or for fun. I don't enter competitions because the prizes always suck and it's not worth my time and effort (yes, I DO have a life outside of Habbo, some of you should consider getting one....)

If you don't like the BaW team, then don't participate in our events, and don't visit our rooms; it's that simple. If you are mad you didn't make the team, just remember BaW JUST got started, and there will be more opportunities. Continue building, maybe try offering some assistance to current BaW members, talk to staff (don't harass them about it though.) and see what happens. It is not an elite group, it is not favoritism, it's a list of people who were in RBI, who have been active, and who were recommended. THAT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE. And for all we know, they may expand outside of RBI in later seasons, i think they are just using that as a starting point for reference - people they KNOW will do well because they've already been involved before.

This is beyond out of hand and approaching pathetic. We get it, some people think they have some reason to be upset by the people who were chosen - good for you. The choice has been made. Deal with it. Grow up. You don't even know what we have in store yet, and you haven't even seen what we can do yet, so just shut the hell up and wait. don't pass judgement until we have a TRUE chance for ALL of us to shine (not just 24 hours for a few people to throw something together...)

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You might want to aim that at someone in particular rather than giving a blanket response of "don't be bitter... grow up... deal with it" because not a lot of people actually wish to be members of the BAW team, they are just making observations and suggestions for improvement in the future. Frankly nick your post is rather rude, full of insults to people who are offering genuine feedback, and it doesn't really contain anything fruitful.

An application process isn't ridiculous at all. The suggested application would not simply be users talking about their past in as persuasive a manner as possible (something you are all too familiar with from your RBI application I am sure) -- it would require users to actually demonstrate their value, to prove that they have built successfully before and to show that they are still very passionate about building. For the most part BAW has done this manually but a legitimate system that forces staff to take notice is better than allowing good builders to fall through the cracks in favour of big talkers.

Your point about belonging on the team is ridiculous. If a user doesn't build then they should not be in a team dedicated to showcasing building. It's as simple as that really. Yes, rooms do come off as lacklustre when they contain only BC items, but that's why the BAW team should contain users that have participated in quests and events over the years and accrued a good range of furniture. The turtle room is a perfect example because its beauty is pretty much fully reliant on both an intimate knowledge of wired and jendro's summer quest items - two things that a couple of the members ( :rolleyes: ) could not have offered.

Good luck with the rest of the season. Like I said, I'm sure other builders will have a chance to display their talents in upcoming events, it's just a shame that a lot of you guys have come to habbox on the offensive when really we are all looking forward to seeing the BAW season through with engaging and beautiful events for all.

[Sandoo]

What an embarrassing response, @TheBoredom, definitely not the way you should represent yourself or BAW as it comes off as defensive and irrational mainly because your argument doesn't make a lot of sense. Arguing against applications is completely illogical as applications would rid BAW of many of the problems it presents. For one, there would be less reason to complain about not being picked by those who want to join the team. By having everyone go through the same process it won't just be staff picking from a limited "list of people who were in RBI" but instead allowing the entirety of the community, which you've emphasized so much in your argument, to have a fair chance at participation.

Secondly, applications could also stem to a series of articles introducing BAW members at the start of a season after applications are closed and a team is chosen. Having a "BAW team showcase" of each team would use elements submitted from applications (i.e. room screenshots, room competition wins the user is most proud of, favourite furni line, a building tip or trick, etc.). By having these elements in an application it would allow for the community to see how and why each user has been chosen. As a result there would be fewer complaints because many of the accusations of favouritism and nepotism would be proven invalid. The community could see the dedication and creativity a team member has, which could be helpful in cases where a user doesn't keep rooms up or unlocked.

Finally, I just don't see the logic in not having applications in terms of staff workload. Proper application processes can streamline the amount of time and effort staff would have to put in to their selections. They wouldn't have to comb through a selection of users, try and piece together their talent level by seeing random rooms the users have or may not be especially proud of. If a BAW team member recommends a user for the next season, staff would easily be able to pull up their application and see exactly what the user is capable of rather than listening to a biased or quick recommendation from a user.

As it stands, BAW, like RBI, is a flawed system, and by being apart of the first couple rounds, current team members should be looking at the community's feedback as insightful and beneficial, rather than attacks. You guys should be coming on forums and building off our ideas instead of getting defensive and completely rejecting them. I for one don't care who's on the team, as long as I can see why they've made it on the team. That's why we need applications and more publicity and showcases of the BAW team. If you won't take the community's advice about applications and revamping the selection process, then at least take my advice right now and act a little more level-headed; you aren't above the community by being on BAW, rather you simply have a chance at bettering a facet of it that right now is flawed. Accept BAW as a fluid concept and work to offer staff feedback on how to develop and change it to benefit the experience of users interested in this aspect of Habbo.

[TheBoredom]

What an embarrassing response, @TheBoredom, definitely not the way you should represent yourself or BAW as it comes off as defensive and irrational mainly because your argument doesn't make a lot of sense. Arguing against applications is completely illogical as applications would rid BAW of many of the problems it presents. For one, there would be less reason to complain about not being picked by those who want to join the team. By having everyone go through the same process it won't just be staff picking from a limited "list of people who were in RBI" but instead allowing the entirety of the community, which you've emphasized so much in your argument, to have a fair chance at participation.

Secondly, applications could also stem to a series of articles introducing BAW members at the start of a season after applications are closed and a team is chosen. Having a "BAW team showcase" of each team would use elements submitted from applications (i.e. room screenshots, room competition wins the user is most proud of, favourite furni line, a building tip or trick, etc.). By having these elements in an application it would allow for the community to see how and why each user has been chosen. As a result there would be fewer complaints because many of the accusations of favouritism and nepotism would be proven invalid. The community could see the dedication and creativity a team member has, which could be helpful in cases where a user doesn't keep rooms up or unlocked.

Finally, I just don't see the logic in not having applications in terms of staff workload. Proper application processes can streamline the amount of time and effort staff would have to put in to their selections. They wouldn't have to comb through a selection of users, try and piece together their talent level by seeing random rooms the users have or may not be especially proud of. If a BAW team member recommends a user for the next season, staff would easily be able to pull up their application and see exactly what the user is capable of rather than listening to a biased or quick recommendation from a user.

As it stands, BAW, like RBI, is a flawed system, and by being apart of the first couple rounds, current team members should be looking at the community's feedback as insightful and beneficial, rather than attacks. You guys should be coming on forums and building off our ideas instead of getting defensive and completely rejecting them. I for one don't care who's on the team, as long as I can see why they've made it on the team. That's why we need applications and more publicity and showcases of the BAW team. If you won't take the community's advice about applications and revamping the selection process, then at least take my advice right now and act a little more level-headed; you aren't above the community by being on BAW, rather you simply have a chance at bettering a facet of it that right now is flawed. Accept BAW as a fluid concept and work to offer staff feedback on how to develop and change it to benefit the experience of users interested in this aspect of Habbo.

Unlike Kyle's rude attack, i feel this well-thought and calmly-spoken feedback is worth a response:

I apologize if i come off as defensive or attacking, i'm not trying to but i do feel the need to put down some false-ideas people have mentioned like staff favoritism and such. Try to see things from my perspective, i have read a lot of negativity in this thread so it is hard not to focus on that. also had a bit of a rough day anyways so was responding in anger already - my bad...

You are right though, we should absolutely take suggestions into consideration, and after you fully explaining it a little better i can say that yes, i do see your side of things and how applications (if done right) could be beneficial.

I want to make it clear i don't see myself as "above" anyone, and especially not for my membership in BaW and i am sorry if it has seemed that way - it's not the case.

Again, i apologize if i came off as being attacking (reading back on what i said now, i can see how i was) that was not my intent. I can only hope that going forward people will be more apt to post constructive criticism like Sandoo has.

[Daltron]

We are currently building a new HQ for the current BAW team, to answer the questions above. It will be original and not a (direct if anything) copy of any pre-existing room.

As for all this petty argument we get it guys. The application system is flawed and you are disappointed because you believe your skills are better than those in BAW. It's early days but I think you're about to see some great stuff and I understand a lot of people generally look for anything to criticise so we welcome it.

I have put forth an idea that we have a small desk to take suggestions to improve design and BAW in general with a private thread where we post ideas in client.

A few of you are very mad that there is not an application process that is clear so try me. Feel free to PM me what you think would be an appropriate application process for BAW3 and I will happily pass it on for consideration. I don't know what else you guys want.

Happy days

Edit: spelling

[Kyle]

@TheBoredom; my posts here are as constructive as I am capable of making them. I offered a suggestion of an application and it was rejected. I said that users that don't build should not be in a group for builders and that's being ignored. Despite the concerns I have expressed I've tried not to come off as outright rude and am eagerly waiting for you to prove your worth within the current team. To say that my posts aren't worthy of response is an attack in itself.

As for being "butthurt", "disappointed", "jealous" or "mad" -- I think that's just Okeanos. I originally aired my grievances because I felt that others (myself NOT included) would be better suited to the position and others could have joined at a later date when they were fully prepared for the task. I don't want to be in the BAW group any more than anybody else does.

@Sandoo;'s suggestion of a proper showcase is something I am completely agreed on. Putting a personality and style to a name will help to bring BAW members back down to the level of normal users and perhaps allow them to justify their choice.