EU referendum could be held as early as 2016

[FlyingJesus]

This is such a cringe thread

[The Don]

This is such a cringe thread

Who cares this is a habbo forum fgs. Nothing is more cringe than us still being here if we're honest.

[FlyingJesus]

This argument is

[The Don]

[-:Undertaker:-]

Can you really not understand the differences between the rights of a country that’s being occupied and one that democratically merges with others and will have a guaranteed, agreed upon set of rights rather than one that’s dictated to them?

If the people in that country are not part of the same demos then it is subjugation. Ultimately power must be held on one side (assuming unlike in Germany there are different demos as there are in Europe today) and Britain in a European superstate would be the de facto prisoner just as it is now. The continent have very different cultural ideas to us, different ideas of law, different ideas of freedom, different ideas of political culture, different on just about every level... and that's without talking about the differences between themselves.

They shared a language about as much as we do with the European Union currently. A vast majority of EU citizens can speak English. A vast majority of Scotts didn’t speak English when Great Britain was formed. It’s only because English people persecuted any highlanders that dared speak Gaelic that we ended up being the dominant language. It’s laughable that you can call the Scottish and English a demos in the 1700’s when their cultural differences were massive. The only difference is that we shared the same island as opposed to them being on the continent. How many Scott’s now let alone in the 1700’s felt they shared a ‘demos’ with the English? I guarantee you the answer is close to none.

The English language was not suddenly introduced with political union, it was creeping in anyway as what I said earlier is true: greater cultural interaction between the kingdoms of Scotland and England was happening quickly especially on a trading and political level. In any case, with the Highlanders you bring up an interesting point which backs mine: the completion of political union even in a union that was almost natural between Scotland and England was still heavily marked with the use of violent and force, something that would be unthinkable today.

It was also made much easier in that England and Scotland were not democratic states, so force could be used to bring the two together and complete political union. Remember what I said about Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia? They were held together by force and force alone.

Well a vast majority of English speakers exist over on the continent. More importantly you’re ignoring the fact that we already share a political union with these countries.

As a second language.

And the European Union isn't a sovereign state.

Arguing against ties and trade with Europe is. Especially considering the fact that if we wish to leave the EU and keep the FTA we’ll have to follow EU policy anyway, something which you’re obviously against.

In regards to European trade we would, but that is the same as we do now when we trade with the United States. When we trade with America, we have to follow American standards for their goods and vice versa... so that's a statement of the obvious really, isn't it?

In any case, if you are so desperate to remain in the Single Market then you can simply adopt the Norway position.

As I said before, clearly it isn’t needed. The UK is a testament to that. You can’t compare Dictatorships or an Empire absorbing unwilling states to that of peaceful, democratic integration.

The United Kingdom isn't a testament to that, although you seem to hold that the United Kingdom was bound together by force... are you proposing the same for European nations, that we're forced together for a century or two and then maybe we'll accept it?

A question though: if a USE was seriously proposed, what do you think the peoples - not people - of Europe would vote like and why?

[Chippiewill]

A very interesting article by Peter Hitchens: http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co....embership.html

[-:Undertaker:-]

A very interesting article by Peter Hitchens: http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co....embership.html

A good article.

I was reading another article then in the Daily Telegraph of a simple Italian - or so was made out - demanding a vote in the referendum because she paid her taxes here but isn't a British subject. On a simple search of her name, public comments below found she was part of an EU campaigning group. Quelle surprise.

As the comments asked, would you give guests staying in your house a say on whether or not you should sell your house? Do lodgers have a say in that? No. In my eyes, if they try and use that trick to include 1.5m+ EU migrants in the referendum then the whole thing is already illegitimate.