Shootings and explosion in Paris

[David]

"police have found a syrian passport on one of the bombers"

just said on sky. also a man arrested in germany that's linked to last night

[-:Undertaker:-]

I felt sick to my stomach this morning in work watching the footage from Paris.

I'd also like to thank the two people who +repped me who are also sick of the spineless apologists for these terrorists and their hateful ideology.

Has it not occurred to you that this is exactly what the majority of refugees have been trying to escape? Did that ever cross your mind?

I would also love to know what you count as 'extremist' if you think 15,000,000 Muslims are 'extremists', or did your calculator fail you?

It is no good talking about the 'majority' of muslims when even just 5% of them have a pathological hatred of the west. It took less than 20 to bring down the Twin Towers and 8 to kill 120 French & counting. The more that come the more this will happen & our society will be transformed.

If these people have come in with the 'refugee' waves then Angela Merkel (and the EU) has French blood on her hands and boy should she pay a heavy price.

[AgnesIO]

I felt sick to my stomach this morning in work watching the footage from Paris.

I'd also like to thank the two people who +repped me who are also sick of the spineless apologists for these terrorists and their hateful ideology.



It is no good talking about the 'majority' of muslims when even just 5% of them have a pathological hatred of the west. It took less than 20 to bring down the Twin Towers and 8 to kill 120 French & counting. The more that come the more this will happen & our society will be transformed.

If these people have come in with the 'refugee' waves then Angela Merkel (and the EU) has French blood on her hands and boy should she pay a heavy price.

Stop making up figures, it's making you look like an utter dunce.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Stop making up figures, it's making you look like an utter dunce.

I've actually given nicer figures than the actual figures. Here are the actual figures on extremism in Islam.

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a...after-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/...t-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...053251,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/...aardbaar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/...for-extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...-islamist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews...ms%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-palestinians-support-jihad-terror-attacks-on-israely

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians support Hamas terror attacks.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193395

Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.

You can apologise now.

[AgnesIO]

I've actually given nicer figures than the actual figures. Here are the actual figures on extremism in Islam.



You can apologise now.

I have no **** intention of apologising. It's a lovely list. I decided to select one poll at RANDOM. Here's what Undertaker says;

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

Here's what the poll results actually said:

• More than two in five (46%) feel that being a Muslim in Britain is difficult due to prejudice against Islam.
• Almost all Muslims living in Britain feel a loyalty to the country (95%). Just 6% say they feel a disloyalty.
• Nine in ten (93%) British Muslims believe that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws.
• One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.
• However, two thirds (68%) say acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet can never be justified while a quarter (24%) disagree.
• Muslim women are more likely than men to feel unsafe in Britain.
• One in nine (11%) British Muslims feel sympathetic towards people who want to fight against western interests while 85% do not.
• Half (49%) believe Muslim clerics preaching that violence against the west can be justified are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion, while 45% disagree.

So, let's look at that again. 95% of Muslims feel loyalty to Britain. 93% believe that they should always obey British laws. 68% say that violence against those who publish images about the prophet can ever be justified. 85% have no sympathy towards those wanting to fight against Western interests.

Of course, if you go and blow up another persons homeland, they will argue that returning some of that can be justified. 9/11 pretty much led to the war in Iraq - we all have the same mindset.

Now, I'm sorry but those figures simply do not indicate "pathological hatred". Disagreeing with us bombing one's homeland is not the same as pathological hatred. So no, I won't apologise. Not a chance in hell.

EDIT: Oh look, I just clicked another one of your links. Dan says: "20% of British Muslims sympathise with 7/7 bombers". Actual poll result: 20% sympathise with the FEELINGS of the bombers, 99% say the bombers were WRONG to carry out the attacks.

Sorry, I take back what I said. You don't look like an utter dunce. You are an *REMOVED*.

Edited by Expling (Forum Moderator): Please be nice to other forum members!

[-:Undertaker:-]

Those figures you quote from the poll are absolutely terrifying and much worse than any 5%. The fact that you think that 'only' one in four muslims having sympathy with the Charlie Hebdo attacks is good news just goes to show how you've dug yourself into a hole and don't want to help yourself out. Or you're just thick.

You tried getting me on the 5% example - which I foresaw hence why I made it a low 5% - but I know the real figures and the research. You lose chump.

Of course, if you go and blow up another persons homeland, they will argue that returning some of that can be justified.

More rationalising of terror attacks, earlier I recall you said something about France and the burka as though it somehow justifies murdering French people.

You disgust me.

[AgnesIO]

Those figures you quote from the poll are absolutely terrifying and much worse than any 5%. The fact that you think that 'only' one in four muslims having sympathy with the Charlie Hebdo attacks is good news just goes to show how you've dug yourself into a hole and don't want to help yourself out. Or you're just thick.

You tried getting me on the 5% example - which I foresaw hence why I made it a low 5% - but I know the real figures and the research. You lose chump.

There is a huge difference between having sympathy for the reason, and agreeing with the attacks. The crap you have just spouted in those polls are incredibly twisted, just like 99.9% of the other stuff you post.

(Yes, that's another made up percentage. I know you like those.)

[-:Undertaker:-]

There is a huge difference between having sympathy for the reason, and agreeing with the attacks. The crap you have just spouted in those polls are incredibly twisted, just like 99.9% of the other stuff you post.

(Yes, that's another made up percentage. I know you like those.)

I have no sympathy with people sympathising/justifying towards the murder of a magazine editor for the mere act of criticising and mocking a religion.

I'm appalled that you could even somehow sympathise with that position. As I said, disgusting.

[AgnesIO]

I have no sympathy with people sympathising towards the murder of a magazine editor for the mere act of criticising and mocking a religion.

I'm appalled that you could even somehow sympathise with that position. As I said, disgusting.

Nice of you to accept that your 5% figure ("pathological hatred") doesn't actually stand up to criticism.

Also, the polls do not say they sympathise with the murder of the editor. There's a difference between agreeing that the magazine was wrong and the murder of the writers. A very, very, very big difference.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Nice of you to accept that your 5% figure ("pathological hatred") doesn't actually stand up to criticism.

Also, the polls do not say they sympathise with the murder of the editor. There's a difference between agreeing that the magazine was wrong and the murder of the writers. A very, very, very big difference.

I'm sorry but I - since you won't - will be plain and clear that anyone who sympathises with the feelings or reasons of people who go out and murder the staff and editors of a magazine for the simple act of mocking and criticising a religion are vile human beings. I have nothing but hatred in my heart for terrorists who kill innocent people as should any decent and normal person in western civilised society. And I am sickened by you attempting to rationalise acts of terrorism against innocent French people.

What next from you I wonder? That you can 'see why' those killers went out and beheaded Lee Rigby?