Automatic cars?

[N!ck]

Your American cars are so inefficient though with power per litre ratio or whatever. In Europe/Japan 5.0 litre cars can have like 500-600BHP.

[Dentafrice]

No, it's really not the PPL issue, it's the fact that the cars weigh so much. Especially late models. Solid steel pretty much.

We don't measure much by BHP here.. we use RWHP (Rear Wheel HP). You guys measure by Brake Horse Power, which is measuring it without the loss you get from your transmission, and every other single thing. So you loose quite a bit of horsepower from your BHP, sometimes in the hundreds

We measure our HP after everything has already been taken out, at the rear wheels using a dyno.

[N!ck]

No, it's really not the PPL issue, it's the fact that the cars weigh so much. Especially late models. Solid steel pretty much.

We don't measure much by BHP here.. we use RWHP (Rear Wheel HP). You guys measure by Brake Horse Power, which is measuring it without the loss you get from your transmission, and every other single thing. So you loose quite a bit of horsepower from your BHP, sometimes in the hundreds

We measure our HP after everything has already been taken out, at the rear wheels using a dyno.

Gah, and looking into it auto cars have lose about 20% of their power in the transmission and manuals generally lose around 15% or less.

Still, if you calculate it your American cars are less efficient. (not to mention things like poor build quality)

[tdi]

BHP Statistics here, when measured on paper (as in manufacturer stats) are measured at the engine, as will be the same for american cars. However, when tweaking performance etc and when cars are dyno'd the power is measured at the wheels as well.

We have no need for big engines over here too, as they're only really found in high performance cars, where they're quite uncommon. Smaller engines with more power is where it's at. Golf Mk5 1.4T with 170bhp standard, other cars too.. 1.8T's with 300bhp, 3.2's with 500bhp. Smaller engines are lighter and thus result in better handling in most situations.

[Metric1]

292HP 4.6L V8 Ford Explorer

[Dentafrice]

292HP 4.6L V8 Ford Explorer

That's where it's at son.

[tdi]

isn't that just an underpowered, inefficient 4x4 with a respectable amount of torque but terrible handling? couldn't think of any use for it for myself unless I towed a lot of stuff.

also, to compare, the Mk4 R32 with 1400cc less (3.2 V6) has 240bhp as standard, HGP turbo'd, mapped and other stuff takes them to nigh on 500bhp.

[Dentafrice]

isn't that just an underpowered, inefficient 4x4 with a respectable amount of torque but terrible handling? couldn't think of any use for it for myself unless I towed a lot of stuff.

also, to compare, the Mk4 R32 with 1400cc less (3.2 V6) has 240bhp as standard, HGP turbo'd, mapped and other stuff takes them to nigh on 500bhp.

Why would you tow something other then a boat with a Ford Explorer? lol.. there's not much you can tow with an SUV.

[Metric1]

That's where it's at son.

I think that's our winter rig, still hope for the Navigator!

[tdi]

may I just ask what the point is?