The BNP - Good or Bad?

[Tash.]

It may be considered an insult by those people, but why do you not understand that that is freedom of speech?

If somebody bans a historical opinion because they do not agree with it, that is dictorial, its not democratic and its not what we fought Adolf Hitler for.

..with replies like these, it really make me wonder why we even bothered.

Because it may well be someones opinion, and you may consider it ok that he denies the murder of millions of people, but with the rest of us it does not sit right. He and the other waste of spaces who think that its ok to deny the holocaust hide behind the fact that its their *right* to say these things, it does not make it so. You can't have an opinion on something that is a proven fact. Infact wait you can, but it's simply wrong. There are many things you are not allowed to say in this country, there are restrictions on it for the wellbeing of those that it can hurt. You aren't allowed to say racist things to someone, you aren't allowed to say homophobic things, you aren't allowed to say threats to someone. These restrictions exist in Britain which is a democratic society.

Oh and you haven't even addressed the other things I have commented on, would you care to do so?

[Seatherny]

Because it may well be someones opinion, and you may consider it ok that he denies the murder of millions of people, but with the rest of us it does not sit right. He and the other waste of spaces who think that its ok to deny the holocaust hide behind the fact that its their *right* to say these things, it does not make it so. You can't have an opinion on something that is a proven fact. Infact wait you can, but it's simply wrong. There are many things you are not allowed to say in this country, there are restrictions on it for the wellbeing of those that it can hurt. You aren't allowed to say racist things to someone, you aren't allowed to say homophobic things, you aren't allowed to say threats to someone. These restrictions exist in Britain which is a democratic society.

Oh and you haven't even addressed the other things I have commented on, would you care to do so?

Man your english is better than I thought.

And how people say BNP aren't racist surprises me. You cannot be a member (I think you cant) if you aren't white.
How is that not racist?

[Tash.]

Man your english is better than I thought.

And how people say BNP aren't racist surprises me. You cannot be a member (I think you cant) if you aren't white.
How is that not racist?

I'll say it before someone who are defending the BNP does.. soon you will be able to. This is not due to the BNP members wanting this to be allowed, but because they are being forced to by the EU. The BNP will remain a racist party even when non-white people are allowed to join.

[Seatherny]

I'll say it before someone who are defending the BNP does.. soon you will be able to. This is not due to the BNP members wanting this to be allowed, but because they are being forced to by the EU. The BNP will remain a racist party even when non-white people are allowed to join.

The fact that they will be allowed to join soon means nothing. The fact that non-white people were denied membership in the first place clearly shows they were and are and will always be racist.

[Tash.]

The fact that they will be allowed to join soon means nothing. The fact that non-white people were denied membership in the first place clearly shows they were and are and will always be racist.

Yeah exactly. I, like you, fail to see how you can argue that the BNP are anything but racist.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Because it may well be someones opinion, and you may consider it ok that he denies the murder of millions of people, but with the rest of us it does not sit right. He and the other waste of spaces who think that its ok to deny the holocaust hide behind the fact that its their *right* to say these things, it does not make it so. You can't have an opinion on something that is a proven fact. Infact wait you can, but it's simply wrong. There are many things you are not allowed to say in this country, there are restrictions on it for the wellbeing of those that it can hurt. You aren't allowed to say racist things to someone, you aren't allowed to say homophobic things, you aren't allowed to say threats to someone. These restrictions exist in Britain which is a democratic society.

Oh and you haven't even addressed the other things I have commented on, would you care to do so?

No it does sit right, it has never sat right with the left because freedom of thought has never sat right with the left, just like with the European Union - it cannot stand the word no or the people having a say. You need to accept that some people have different (and sometimes crazy) opinions compared to yours and mine, however that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to speak them or think them.

People say global warming is a fact, so would I be locked up for my belief that global warming is a big con just because you/the ruling elite don't agree with me?

On the case of the BNP, while I don't think anything should be based on colour, we do we allowed organisations such as the Black Police Officers Association to exist? - you can't have it both ways, and people are now realising how one-sided this whole situation is.

[Tash.]

No it does sit right, it has never sat right with the left because freedom of thought has never sat right with the left, just like with the European Union - it cannot stand the word no or the people having a say. You need to accept that some people have different (and sometimes crazy) opinions compared to yours and mine, however that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to speak them or think them.

People say global warming is a fact, so would I be locked up for my belief that global warming is a big con just because you/the ruling elite don't agree with me?

On the case of the BNP, while I don't think anything should be based on colour, we do we allowed organisations such as the Black Police Officers Association to exist? - you can't have it both ways, and people are now realising how one-sided this whole situation is.

I just cannot see how you're still fighting for people to be allowed extreme or in your words 'sometimes crazy' thoughts and be allowed to voice them. You can correct me if i'm wrong, but this means you think that muslim extremists should be allowed to spread their form of hatred? If thats your opinion then i'd count yourself among the crazies because thats not an opinion, its dangerous.

No you wouldn't but I don't see how the belief that global warming doesn't exist and the belief that the holocaust didn't happen are comparable? If you don't believe in global warming then fair enough, you're not hurting anyones feelings here, you aren't denying the facts of how millions of people died. If you deny the holocaust then you are.

And i'm sure that if I did research into your example here, the Black Police Officers Association, I would find that they do not spread hatred of white policemen, nor do they think that they should not be allowed in the police force. Infact having just done a brief look on google, I have found that they are an organisation that provides support to the black members of the police force and aims to promote racial harmony. If you're seriously telling me that the BNP are an organisation that promotes racial harmony then I don't think I need to debate with you anymore.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I just cannot see how you're still fighting for people to be allowed extreme or in your words 'sometimes crazy' thoughts and be allowed to voice them. You can correct me if i'm wrong, but this means you think that muslim extremists should be allowed to spread their form of hatred? If thats your opinion then i'd count yourself among the crazies because thats not an opinion, its dangerous.

That is otherwise known as democracy, and yes the muslin extremists can say 9/11 was a conspiracy if they wish, as long as they are not spreading hatred. Denying the holocaust is not hatred.

No you wouldn't but I don't see how the belief that global warming doesn't exist and the belief that the holocaust didn't happen are comparable? If you don't believe in global warming then fair enough, you're not hurting anyones feelings here, you aren't denying the facts of how millions of people died. If you deny the holocaust then you are.

..so what, are you asking us to live in a world in which we can't say what we feel because it could hurt peoples feelings? - bring out the cotton wool..

And i'm sure that if I did research into your example here, the Black Police Officers Association, I would find that they do not spread hatred of white policemen, nor do they think that they should not be allowed in the police force. Infact having just done a brief look on google, I have found that they are an organisation that provides support to the black members of the police force and aims to promote racial harmony. If you're seriously telling me that the BNP are an organisation that promotes racial harmony then I don't think I need to debate with you anymore.

I am not debating that, I am saying that if the BNP isn't allowed to be an organisation for white people then neither should the Black Police Officers Association be allowed to be an organisation for black people. I would prefer no racial groups at all, but while the state does it then the BNP have every right to also do it.

[Seatherny]

Yeah exactly. I, like you, fail to see how you can argue that the BNP are anything but racist.

India would not tolerate millions of non-Indians taking over that society. Pakistan would not tolerate millions of Hindus or Christians entering that country and changing it from a Muslim society into something else. Japan would not do it; China would not do it so why should Britain?

What people do not understand (and I speak from personal experience here), non-british people are not taking over the society in Britain. There is still a majority white people here and always will be.



Another thing is, most non-british treat white people with respect. I have lived in India for 10 years and have been several times since I moved out, and every time I went to tourist attractions, a majority of the white people (no idea if they were British or not), treated people with such disrespect its unbelievable.

[-:Undertaker:-]

What people do not understand (and I speak from personal experience here), non-british people are not taking over the society in Britain. There is still a majority white people here and always will be.



Another thing is, most non-british treat white people with respect. I have lived in India for 10 years and have been several times since I moved out, and every time I went to tourist attractions, a majority of the white people (no idea if they were British or not), treated people with such disrespect its unbelievable.

..people don't have a problem with black/brown/yellow or whatever colour or nationality people are from, we do however have a problem with the uncontrolled immigration that our government is allowing in which to put it frank, scum (criminals, benefit cheats), are moving to this country.