Security alert on Heathrow Airport plane

[-:Undertaker:-]

Oh so terrorists have special techniques, infact are almost magical in their brainwashing that they could brainwash almost anyone? - If you hold that type of view, then we don't have a chance against terrorism.

[Seatherny]

Oh so terrorists have special techniques, infact are almost magical in their brainwashing that they could brainwash almost anyone? - If you hold that type of view, then we don't have a chance against terrorism.

Oh my. Terrorists use brainwashing techniques. They are specific things which they do. Most normal people don't know what they are. Couples most certainly do not use brainwashing techniques. ROFL. I cant believe you are even considering it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

A terrorist could not brainwash me, or any other sane person to blow up an aeroplane. If brainwashing techniques like this existed as you say they do, then surely we'd have people acting under others orders - infact that just reminds me of the Imperius curse on Harry Potter - fictional.

[Tash.]

A terrorist could not brainwash me, or any other sane person to blow up an aeroplane. If brainwashing techniques like this existed as you say they do, then surely we'd have people acting under others orders - infact that just reminds me of the Imperius curse on Harry Potter - fictional.

The problem here is, we may not be talking about me or you who are most likely very much stuck with what we believe and know right and wrong. Nor are we necessarily talking about sane people. When we're discussing the types of people terrorists target for this kind of 'mission' they target people who are vulnerable. With this in mind, do you not think that they might be a teeny tiny bit at risk? As for OAP's it has been proven that as your mind ages you become more agreeable because often you are depending on others. So no, terrorists don't have magical brainwashing powers but for the people they target they do not need them. There are OAP's out there, infact i'm sure there are many, that have all their wits about them and aren't likely to be susceptible to being duped by a terrorist, but for all these people there is at least one who is no longer of sound mind or no longer capable of caring for themselves, and these people are certainly at risk no matter what you say.

[hah]

Anyone cannot be a terrorist, as we all know; terrorists tend to be from Africa or the Middle East - if not and born here in the west, they still have roots back in Africa/the Middle East and are mainly (modern) from the Islamic relgion. Enough of this political correctness.

What we need to do is have better searches on people depending on their nationality, just like Israel does. A elderly British grandmother is not going to be a terrorist, whereas a young-Pakistani man is far more likely to pose a threat.

The IRA where terrorists and they where not from "Africa or the Middle East" :S?

[[Jay]]

I like the fact how no religon was mentioned because its obvious they are christian however had they been muslim it would be a diffrent story. Something like "Muslim terrorists aressted at heathrow airport"

[-:Undertaker:-]

The problem here is, we may not be talking about me or you who are most likely very much stuck with what we believe and know right and wrong. Nor are we necessarily talking about sane people. When we're discussing the types of people terrorists target for this kind of 'mission' they target people who are vulnerable. With this in mind, do you not think that they might be a teeny tiny bit at risk? As for OAP's it has been proven that as your mind ages you become more agreeable because often you are depending on others. So no, terrorists don't have magical brainwashing powers but for the people they target they do not need them. There are OAP's out there, infact i'm sure there are many, that have all their wits about them and aren't likely to be susceptible to being duped by a terrorist, but for all these people there is at least one who is no longer of sound mind or no longer capable of caring for themselves, and these people are certainly at risk no matter what you say.

OAPs will not carry out terrorist attack, you are painting a picture like something from a James Bond movie or Harry Potter. Extremism cannot be driven onto you, extremism is born through an event that occurs;- for example, the invasion of Iraq made people sympathetic to resistance against the western world and quite frankly I do not blame them. I know if I lived in Iraq and my country was invaded under a lie, my family murdererd, my country ruined - i'd fight back aswell.

That is how extremism occurs, not through terrorists in old folks homes telling them to blow up an airline.

The IRA where terrorists and they where not from "Africa or the Middle East" :S?

Yes, I said modern terrorists; "and are mainly (modern) from the Islamic religon" - the IRA are defunct now, so it would be as much use me mentiong the IRA as it would be me mentioning the Khamer Rogue as a threat in Asia today, in the modern world.

[Tash.]

OAPs will not carry out terrorist attack, you are painting a picture like something from a James Bond movie or Harry Potter. Extremism cannot be driven onto you, extremism is born through an event that occurs;- for example, the invasion of Iraq made people sympathetic to resistance against the western world and quite frankly I do not blame them. I know if I lived in Iraq and my country was invaded under a lie, my family murdererd, my country ruined - i'd fight back aswell.

That is how extremism occurs, not through terrorists in old folks homes telling them to blow up an airline.



Yes, I said modern terrorists; "and are mainly (modern) from the Islamic religon" - the IRA are defunct now, so it would be as much use me mentiong the IRA as it would be me mentioning the Khamer Rogue as a threat in Asia today, in the modern world.

You've ignored the main point of my post yet again. I didn't say they would carry it out willingly, I said that some may be duped into it. It's not something out of a James Bond film at all, this is just knowing to what extremes these people will go to to prove a point. You didn't even address the point about non-sane people who are very much at risk no matter what their age is. You cannot open up loopholes in security and frankly if you were to suggest this to any security expert, regardless of their politics they would laugh you out of the building.

It is not worth risking the lives of hundreds of people aboard an aeroplane just so that you can rush a few OAP's through the security checks. They should be checked along with everyone else.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You've ignored the main point of my post yet again. I didn't say they would carry it out willingly, I said that some may be duped into it. It's not something out of a James Bond film at all, this is just knowing to what extremes these people will go to to prove a point. You didn't even address the point about non-sane people who are very much at risk no matter what their age is. You cannot open up loopholes in security and frankly if you were to suggest this to any security expert, regardless of their politics they would laugh you out of the building.

It is not worth risking the lives of hundreds of people aboard an aeroplane just so that you can rush a few OAP's through the security checks. They should be checked along with everyone else.

I have not ignored anything in your posts, I find it very strange that because I disgaree with you I seem to 'ignore your posts' - back to the topic, they cannot dupe or force you into blowing up an airline, that is not the real world. On the security, i'm not saying they shouldn't be checked. I am saying that any searches taken at an airport should not be random, they should target shifty people, not OAPs who quite clearly have not got a jihad against the western world.

[Tash.]

I have not ignored anything in your posts, I find it very strange that because I disgaree with you I seem to 'ignore your posts' - back to the topic, they cannot dupe or force you into blowing up an airline, that is not the real world. On the security, i'm not saying they shouldn't be checked. I am saying that any searches taken at an airport should not be random, they should target shifty people, not OAPs who quite clearly have not got a jihad against the western world.

You cannot say that though, you don't always know just based on someone's appearance whether or not they have a grievance. That's why every single person should be checked. And ok, you didn't ignore the post, you chose not to address a key part of it. You said that a sane person wouldn't just change their opinions and try to blow up a plane. But what about those who are not of sound mind? They might.