Gay Poll...

[Aiden]

Can I just point out this thread is perhaps the single most frustrating thing I have ever read. Cn weh lrn 2 spell or i'l ******* fling a shoo at u


God your general logic around this issue is so flawed it's hurting my face.

Regarding the poll: No I don't think gay people should be treated the same as other humans. That's just plain wrong am I right guys?

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[Spoltage]

Regarding the poll: No I don't think gay people should be treated the same as other humans. That's just plain wrong am I right guys?

And can i just ask why you think gay people shouldn't be treated the same as straight people??

Sam

[lawrawrrr]

Then you'd be entitled to your money back which is probably stated in contract law somewhere. People being allowed to get refuse business doesn't mean gays automatically become subject to different laws.

In that way, gay people have to take a massive risk when they make a booking to go away and might end up paying so much more for a last minute booking somewhere. Is that fair? They might have to make ten bookings in one own just to make sure they have somewhere to stay and that's just ridiculous.

What if I opened a b&b and decided when someone turned up I didn't want to let them in because they were, i don't know ginger?

You wouldn't turn away a straight couple so why do gay people have fewer rights? A ginger person would be allowed to stay so why not gay people?

[dbgtz]

In that way, gay people have to take a massive risk when they make a booking to go away and might end up paying so much more for a last minute booking somewhere. Is that fair? They might have to make ten bookings in one own just to make sure they have somewhere to stay and that's just ridiculous.

What if I opened a b&b and decided when someone turned up I didn't want to let them in because they were, i don't know ginger?

You wouldn't turn away a straight couple so why do gay people have fewer rights? A ginger person would be allowed to stay so why not gay people?

What they could do is ask the business to clarify the position of the company. Should the company lie then will have to pay expenses and suffer other consequences because they have deceived to profit.

They don't have less rights, they can open up a business and turn away who they like. If businesses do turn people away for stupid reasons then I believe it is the position of society to act by not paying for their service.

[lawrawrrr]

What they could do is ask the business to clarify the position of the company. Should the company lie then will have to pay expenses and suffer other consequences because they have deceived to profit.

They have to ASK in advance?!?! Can you imagine booking a hotel an having to write down EVERY aspect of your personality and beliefs just to make sure you can stay there?? Why stop at gay people? Let's ONLY let purple creatures with green spots stay at this hotel: and people who think they aren't in the slightest bit controversial can be turns away at the door with no prior notice!

They don't have less rights, they can open up a business and turn away who they like. If businesses do turn people away for stupid reasons then I believe it is the position of society to act by not paying for their service.

They have fewer rights because they can't stay at a hotel all other people are allowed to. If they were to open a hotel and say, for example, no black people, there would be such a riot about that, so it's not as easy as saying "they can refuse whoever entry".

Besides, an owner of a b&b which isn't specifically marketed (as a gay retreat, as a Christian retreat etc.) should really be more tolerant as its kind of something expected if you're opening up your home to an unlimited range of people.

[Adam]

for, if you think its wrong YOURE WRONG.

Bigot.

In which case, for, I don't care what other people do just keep it to yourself. Goes for anything, not just gays.

[-:Undertaker:-]

In that way, gay people have to take a massive risk when they make a booking to go away and might end up paying so much more for a last minute booking somewhere. Is that fair? They might have to make ten bookings in one own just to make sure they have somewhere to stay and that's just ridiculous.

What if I opened a b&b and decided when someone turned up I didn't want to let them in because they were, i don't know ginger?

You wouldn't turn away a straight couple so why do gay people have fewer rights? A ginger person would be allowed to stay so why not gay people?

There exists no 'right' to gain access to the property of another person. That is individual liberty, property rights being the keystone of western society and civilisation - just as the made up idea of having the 'right' to education, health and so on is flawed on the basis that its basically saying you have a right to the wealth of other people (of which they are funded by) which you do not.

If somebody wants to ban ginger people then fine, let them. The same if somebody wanted to ban me from a hotel for being gay, having black hair or having different political opinions to them - at the end of the day it is their loss financially, and whilst you and I may disagree with them - it remains their individual right (along with property rights) to turn people away.

It is in very much the same way that Christians and/or the state do not have a right to decide what homosexuals get up to in their own bedrooms - turn it around, and homosexuals do not have the right to dictate to others what happens in their [the actual owners] bedrooms.

[dbgtz]

They have to ASK in advance?!?! Can you imagine booking a hotel an having to write down EVERY aspect of your personality and beliefs just to make sure you can stay there?? Why stop at gay people? Let's ONLY let purple creatures with green spots stay at this hotel: and people who think they aren't in the slightest bit controversial can be turns away at the door with no prior notice!

Can you imagine a hotel actually doing that? They'd lose custom and that's the point. People should speak with their wallet not through government (in these circumstances).

They have fewer rights because they can't stay at a hotel all other people are allowed to. If they were to open a hotel and say, for example, no black people, there would be such a riot about that, so it's not as easy as saying "they can refuse whoever entry".

Besides, an owner of a b&b which isn't specifically marketed (as a gay retreat, as a Christian retreat etc.) should really be more tolerant as its kind of something expected if you're opening up your home to an unlimited range of people.

There probably would be, and that is unfortunate.

They should advertise as what they are, but they can't exactly do that under current legislation.

[Ardemax]

And can i just ask why you think gay people shouldn't be treated the same as straight people??

Sam

Because gay people aren't humans right? Like it's totally unethical and weird like snow leopards.

[lawrawrrr]

Can you imagine a hotel actually doing that? They'd lose custom and that's the point. People should speak with their wallet not through government (in these circumstances).

Are you for real? They're losing custom by turning away gay people DESPITE the fact they might have full wallets.

So what you're saying is the state shouldn't intervene in economic transactions in order to ensure equality?

So by that logic, we should have never passed laws to ensure women are paid the same as men?

There probably would be, and that is unfortunate.

They should advertise as what they are, but they can't exactly do that under current legislation.

So they can be racist, sexist, all kinds of -ist as long a they don't advertise it? Because at the moment you seem to be saying that they have the right to turn people away at the door for whatever trivial reason but they can't advertise the fact that they don't let such people stay.