Habbox Staff Structure

[Kardan]

If senior staff are in News and Rare Values at the moment, and they're essentially in that role to help out with managers - why aren't they assistant manager? What is the difference between senior and assistant manager in these departments? From what I've heard, they sound the same.

[lawrawrrr]

In News, when there's so little staff, having two managers made it very awkward, the same would be true in Content I believe, in that they have different roles. Rare Values & News Seniors approve what the staff do, but shouldn't really make managerial decisions, I'm working out what to do with Content senior at the moment but it'll be pretty much the same thing: to keep an eye on updates.

Having thought about it, I do agree with @Grig; and @Skynus; that in small departments a senior is not always needed and it does promote laziness for the manager at times - unless it's so the manager can work on a fantastic amazing project

[Empired]

Maybe it can be used after X months in the smaller departments then? A bit like Habbox merit. Would stop it just being given out to favourites and would actually reward hard workers, and it *might* stop so many people from dipping in and out of every other department so many times. I mean, you're right, it would mean pretty much nothing, but it's just a nice incentive. Anyways, doesn't sound like it would be needed much anyway if content is getting a senior soon anyway. Would only leave graphics and comps? Just an idea anyway

I haven't read through the rest of the thread yet so I don't know if this has been mentioned already but promoting someone after a certain number of months probably isn't a great idea. Just because someone has been in a department for a long time doesn't mean they are necessarily the best. I can think of a number of people who have been surfing in a department as normal staff for months and months because they simply aren't motivated enough to do extra work and earn themselves a promotion.

I could also use the example of Jade (Foregetfuhl) in HxL to show that just because you're new doesn't mean you're not going to be as good. @Foregetfuhl; didn't you stay on HxL for like 11 hours in a row once because you didn't want the radio to go offline? AND that was when you were a trialist if my memory of the congratulations thread is correct. If we implemented the whole "promotion after X months" scheme, fantastic new staff would be ignored simply for being new. If you see what I mean

[lawrawrrr]

I haven't read through the rest of the thread yet so I don't know if this has been mentioned already but promoting someone after a certain number of months probably isn't a great idea. Just because someone has been in a department for a long time doesn't mean they are necessarily the best. I can think of a number of people who have been surfing in a department as normal staff for months and months because they simply aren't motivated enough to do extra work and earn themselves a promotion.

I could also use the example of Jade (Foregetfuhl) in HxL to show that just because you're new doesn't mean you're not going to be as good. @Foregetfuhl; didn't you stay on HxL for like 11 hours in a row once because you didn't want the radio to go offline? AND that was when you were a trialist if my memory of the congratulations thread is correct. If we implemented the whole "promotion after X months" scheme, fantastic new staff would be ignored simply for being new. If you see what I mean

Definitely agree with this. I'd never promote someone on how long they'd been there, unless they were genuinely the best. Which sometimes they are, and sometimes it's frowned upon by members of the community if they're overlooked for a promotion (look at Jade being promoted to manager over say, Samanfa who's been here for ages), mainly because they don't know often how much work that people does, but it's hard for us to justify ourselves at times.

To the second part also yes, so true - like I did 30 DJ slots in my first month, but have barely reached the minimum since, so wouldn't even be expected to be considered for a promotion. Often experience is good for roles, but not always necessary. Look at you, Sophie and Hayden, not being managers before (Hayden not even Events Senior, I believe?) but all seem to be doing a very good job!

[Mr-Trainor]

If senior staff are in News and Rare Values at the moment, and they're essentially in that role to help out with managers - why aren't they assistant manager? What is the difference between senior and assistant manager in these departments? From what I've heard, they sound the same.

For Rare Values there isn't really any difference other than manager responsibility e.g. sorting permissions requests but also writing weekly and monthly reviews and just managing the staff. However, I wouldn't currently be allowed an ARVM unless staff numbers were a bit higher.

In News, when there's so little staff, having two managers made it very awkward, the same would be true in Content I believe, in that they have different roles. Rare Values & News Seniors approve what the staff do, but shouldn't really make managerial decisions, I'm working out what to do with Content senior at the moment but it'll be pretty much the same thing: to keep an eye on updates.

Having thought about it, I do agree with @Grig; and @Skynus; that in small departments a senior is not always needed and it does promote laziness for the manager at times - unless it's so the manager can work on a fantastic amazing project

Tbh it really depends on the department, and for Rare Values there is no way would I have time to go through approving hundreds of values every week by myself on top of everything else that's required as RVM.

[lawrawrrr]

For Rare Values there isn't really any difference other than manager responsibility e.g. sorting permissions requests but also writing weekly and monthly reviews and just managing the staff. However, I wouldn't currently be allowed an ARVM unless staff numbers were a bit higher.

Tbh it really depends on the department, and for Rare Values there is no way would I have time to go through approving hundreds of values every week by myself on top of everything else that's required as RVM.

yeah I would agree that a senior person is needed in RV for that reason, with the pure volume. Only way not to would be to not approve values :p

[Kardan]

I haven't read through the rest of the thread yet so I don't know if this has been mentioned already but promoting someone after a certain number of months probably isn't a great idea. Just because someone has been in a department for a long time doesn't mean they are necessarily the best. I can think of a number of people who have been surfing in a department as normal staff for months and months because they simply aren't motivated enough to do extra work and earn themselves a promotion.

I could also use the example of Jade (Foregetfuhl) in HxL to show that just because you're new doesn't mean you're not going to be as good. @Foregetfuhl; didn't you stay on HxL for like 11 hours in a row once because you didn't want the radio to go offline? AND that was when you were a trialist if my memory of the congratulations thread is correct. If we implemented the whole "promotion after X months" scheme, fantastic new staff would be ignored simply for being new. If you see what I mean

I said you could introduce that scheme to departments that don't have a different role for senior staff, so it wouldn't apply to HxL since they do have a different job role for senior staff.

But for other departments (E.g content, graphics) it wouldn't matter if new staff were overlooked for promotions, since under the current system, everyone is overlooked for promotion since there is no method of promotion.

Anyway, the idea was already shot down, so it doesn't matter

[Samantha]

I could not disagree with you more on this point. Let's take news, for example and the promotion of someone to senior when the department had on average less than 4 staff members for a period. I know news and I know it doesn't take a bundle of time to sift through articles to find errors, and by bringing in a senior for such a little amount of staff members is fundamentally wrong and just shows one thing, that you as a manager are lazy. I was in news management for a little over 7 months and not once in that period did we ever require a senior member of staff, for a staffing team that often exceeded 13, 14, 15 people. Sure, now that numbers a growing and you're managing alone, a senior (although still not entirely necessary) is OK, but really it was silly to bring someone in when you did have low numbers. I know how significantly opposed @Jin; was in having one (actually ended up firing an AGM as a result).

Speaking of news, @Samanfa; why do you keep bringing in the same individual to a senior position, then that individual does not do significant amounts of work and ends up leaving after a few weeks. It simply looks bad. They're not there anymore, just asking about the thinking process for a decision like that. It looks like this individual is merely coming in for a position and is unwilling to work for it.

But on a positive note, well done for getting the team up to 6 in terms of numbers, hopefully they are all off great quality!

I'm sure I said why I have a senior at the moment, if I didn't then apologies. If you look in the management away thread you may see the trouble in the last couple of months I've had with my Internet, this has come at a time when it's getting closer to Christmas and now I'm expected to work more hours at work (irl). I should be doing 16 hours per week for irl work, but currently I believe it's looking at 111 hours in the past 3 weeks, which has left me knackered to say the least. Originally, I was considering resignation as I wasn't able to put enough time into the department (the senior back then had away time and other commitments, therefore wasn't that much help). However, a senior now who is doing work, who has shown to be one of the better News Reporters (I had two in mind) and has enabled me to ensure that more of my time is focused on news, this is with decreasing my work load a bit.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by the second part, the same individual how? Oh wait, I think I know what you mean, see above as to why that didn't work!