Get rid of post your... junk threads

[The Don]

Faster rate of token gain means a faster rate in which Habbox loses VIP/Credits, as explained before.

But again, you were complaining about these threads before tokens were introduced so that clearly isn't your reason.
Obviously 'Habbox' doesn't care about this because the threads were moved to a subforum before and moved back due to inactivity.

I would also like to mention that habbox doesn't lose anything, this is a flawed argument similar to one used in piracy. The heads of big record companies complain that people downloading their artists newest albums results in losses for the company, but that's assuming they were intending to buy the item before they downloaded it, which isn't the case. People getting vip doesn't affect habbox because those same people never intended to buy it.

[Kardan]

But again, you were complaining about these threads before tokens were introduced so that clearly isn't your reason.
Obviously 'Habbox' doesn't care about this because the threads were moved to a subforum before and moved back due to inactivity.

I would also like to mention that habbox doesn't lose anything, this is a flawed argument similar to one used in piracy. The heads of big record companies complain that people downloading their artists newest albums results in losses for the company, but that's assuming they were intending to buy the item before they downloaded it, which isn't the case. People getting vip doesn't affect habbox because those same people never intended to buy it.

Well if my argument is void because I can't prove that those people would have bought VIP if they didn't have tokens, then I guess yours is equally void, since there is no proof they wouldn't have bought VIP if they had the tokens

And you asked for my reason why I dislike people getting tokens faster, so I'm not sure why you've said stuff about before tokens.

Before tokens, I was complaining about post count counting in some places yet not others, is that not obvious from this thread?

[The Don]

Well if my argument is void because I can't prove that those people would have bought VIP if they didn't have tokens, then I guess yours is equally void, since there is no proof they wouldn't have bought VIP if they had the tokens

And you asked for my reason why I dislike people getting tokens faster, so I'm not sure why you've said stuff about before tokens.

Before tokens, I was complaining about post count counting in some places yet not others, is that not obvious from this thread?

Surely the burden of proof is on you to prove that habbox is actually losing out on people buying vip/donator since you're the one that made the claim.

[David]

might not be losing out on people buying donator/vip but tokens can be used for credits which habbox will lose

dont care about these threads though, not hard to ignore

[Kardan]

Surely the burden of proof is on you to prove that habbox is actually losing out on people buying vip/donator since you're the one that made the claim.

Well, looking at sales figures you can see that Habbox has gave out 635 credits, and 1 year and 10 months of VIP - but without asking staff who bought the VIP, you can't find that out.

As I said earlier, I don't believe it impacts that much on VIP (I suspect all the other forms of VIP are probably a much bigger issue), but it is a consequence.

And every single time I've made a point or asked a question, you just avoid it by asking me another question

[Empired]

I actually did read the whole thread and we seem to just be going round in circles now. Basically I picked out the main arguments a few people were trying to make and posted my own reply to them. Can't believe I'm risking posting a real opinion on the internet

"Disabling the post counts for these threads would just reduce activity on the forum."
First of all, that argument only partially makes sense. Although the number of posts per day is going up, fewer and fewer people will be making new threads if they can just keep recycling posts in the current ones. Secondly, if the only thing Habbox cares about these days is how many posts people are making per day, I don't particularly want to be a part of this forum anymore. The forum should be about allowing proper discussion to take place (no matter what the original post was about) that should interest people and make them want to contribute. Which brings me to my second point...

"But the people who post in there do find it interesting!!!"
Lol what. Yeah ok, the 'non-spammers' in there (like Cameron, Jen, etc) post in there because they genuinely want to share what they're listening to or whatever, but there is no way anybody (the poster OR the reader) is even slightly interested in the fact that someone watched the news this morning. I'm sure if I asked TheOneTheOnly and Shockwave.2CC if they actually read the other posts people made in that thread their answer would be no. Other than people like Kardan scrolling through it to find posts to back up his points, who actually reads what other people are wearing at the moment?! And I get the feeling Jen, Cameron, etc wouldn't stop posting in those threads after they had their post counts disabled. It's not like the threads would disappear completely.

"Habbox doesn't lose anything from these threads."
Not technically true. Kardan made the point about people racking up tokens which loses people wanting to buy VIP, plus it means people can take credits from us. I know £3 or whatever doesn't seem like that much of a difference but didn't someone in a feedback thread a while ago saying that Habbox was actually losing money? When that's the case, £3 can be pretty big. And for the whole 'Those people weren't going to buy VIP anyway so who cares' thing.. This just gives them another reason not to buy it? How would we know if they're going to buy VIP or not? They've never needed to buy it because it's already given out left, right and centre.

Plus I've never heard of anybody joining a forum so they can tell everyone what they had for breakfast.. Because most people join forums because they see the discussion levels are high and about things that interest them. So I could even argue that Habbox could be losing potential forum members because the number of 'interesting' (this isn't the word I'm looking for but I can't be bothered to think of a better one) threads is dwindling due to people posting in the Post Your.. threads.

Also, even if you still argue that Habbox isn't losing anything, what are we gaining? A more 'impressive'-looking overall post count at the bottom of the forum? What else? Please enlighten me.

"If you don't like people getting their post count up that way, why can't you just make more interesting threads yourself?"
I know people are saying this argument isn't about who has a high post count and things, but I assume post count must matter (even if it's just a little bit) to some people who have been on this forum for years. They've worked hard and contributed to hundreds if not thousands of threads but then some spammer comes along and gets a few thousand posts in a year? Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think everyone would be thrilled about that. Still, that seems to only be a tiny part of it but other people have already made those other points.

Oh yeah, and "make more interesting threads yourself"? Why should we spend a lot of time writing long, insightful posts when other people can breeze 300 tokens a day by telling us each time they listen to a different song? And even when we do post them, those threads sometimes get drowned out because the What are you listening to? thread keeps getting pushed back up to the top spot.

"Who even cares anyway"
This argument just makes me sad. For one, it can be used to argue both for and against moving the Post Your.. threads so seems pretty invalid to me anyway. And also, this is Habbox Feedback. A place to discuss things you do care about. If we've reached page 9 or 10 of this thread plus the three or four other threads about the same issue, it's clear that people do care.

I had other points but 1) I've forgotten them and 2) I've just noticed the time and I was supposed to start an essay nearly an hour and a half ago

[Yawn]

the ppl in question (as said at the start of the thread) actually admit themselves that they only do it to boost their post count :S i dont get why this is even a discussion. wat gd is a thread full of post boosting, more so when its against the rules to pointless post? if u take the spammers out the thread would be dead..

i think its all v silly

[The Don]

I actually did read the whole thread and we seem to just be going round in circles now. Basically I picked out the main arguments a few people were trying to make and posted my own reply to them. Can't believe I'm risking posting a real opinion on the internet

"Disabling the post counts for these threads would just reduce activity on the forum."
First of all, that argument only partially makes sense. Although the number of posts per day is going up, fewer and fewer people will be making new threads if they can just keep recycling posts in the current ones. Secondly, if the only thing Habbox cares about these days is how many posts people are making per day, I don't particularly want to be a part of this forum anymore. The forum should be about allowing proper discussion to take place (no matter what the original post was about) that should interest people and make them want to contribute. Which brings me to my second point...

"But the people who post in there do find it interesting!!!"
Lol what. Yeah ok, the 'non-spammers' in there (like Cameron, Jen, etc) post in there because they genuinely want to share what they're listening to or whatever, but there is no way anybody (the poster OR the reader) is even slightly interested in the fact that someone watched the news this morning. I'm sure if I asked TheOneTheOnly and Shockwave.2CC if they actually read the other posts people made in that thread their answer would be no. Other than people like Kardan scrolling through it to find posts to back up his points, who actually reads what other people are wearing at the moment?! And I get the feeling Jen, Cameron, etc wouldn't stop posting in those threads after they had their post counts disabled. It's not like the threads would disappear completely.

"Habbox doesn't lose anything from these threads."
Not technically true. Kardan made the point about people racking up tokens which loses people wanting to buy VIP, plus it means people can take credits from us. I know £3 or whatever doesn't seem like that much of a difference but didn't someone in a feedback thread a while ago saying that Habbox was actually losing money? When that's the case, £3 can be pretty big. And for the whole 'Those people weren't going to buy VIP anyway so who cares' thing.. This just gives them another reason not to buy it? How would we know if they're going to buy VIP or not? They've never needed to buy it because it's already given out left, right and centre.

Plus I've never heard of anybody joining a forum so they can tell everyone what they had for breakfast.. Because most people join forums because they see the discussion levels are high and about things that interest them. So I could even argue that Habbox could be losing potential forum members because the number of 'interesting' (this isn't the word I'm looking for but I can't be bothered to think of a better one) threads is dwindling due to people posting in the Post Your.. threads.

Also, even if you still argue that Habbox isn't losing anything, what are we gaining? A more 'impressive'-looking overall post count at the bottom of the forum? What else? Please enlighten me.

"If you don't like people getting their post count up that way, why can't you just make more interesting threads yourself?"
I know people are saying this argument isn't about who has a high post count and things, but I assume post count must matter (even if it's just a little bit) to some people who have been on this forum for years. They've worked hard and contributed to hundreds if not thousands of threads but then some spammer comes along and gets a few thousand posts in a year? Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think everyone would be thrilled about that. Still, that seems to only be a tiny part of it but other people have already made those other points.

Oh yeah, and "make more interesting threads yourself"? Why should we spend a lot of time writing long, insightful posts when other people can breeze 300 tokens a day by telling us each time they listen to a different song? And even when we do post them, those threads sometimes get drowned out because the What are you listening to? thread keeps getting pushed back up to the top spot.

"Who even cares anyway"
This argument just makes me sad. For one, it can be used to argue both for and against moving the Post Your.. threads so seems pretty invalid to me anyway. And also, this is Habbox Feedback. A place to discuss things you do care about. If we've reached page 9 or 10 of this thread plus the three or four other threads about the same issue, it's clear that people do care.

I had other points but 1) I've forgotten them and 2) I've just noticed the time and I was supposed to start an essay nearly an hour and a half ago

I'll reply when I get home from work but you really can't say habboxforum is losing out on VIP sales. You're also naive if you think getting rid of these threads will not result in anything other than an increase in generic answers being posted. I also think you're clutching at straws when you say people posting what they're listening to will some stop new members from joining (lol what?) if anything will do that it will be preventing people from posting short comments because you deem them unworthy.

[Phil]

Okay, I've read the whole thread and from what I can see, last last pages or so were like the same thing.

Personally I was never a fan of these threads (even though yeah I have a couple of posts in them). When this last came up I was SMOD and when I asked what we could do about them I was told they're not to be touched and whne I asked why I was told "You know the story on those threads". Only story I know is that they're crap :rolleyes:

I would agree that people are using this thread for post count. A while ago there was a "Posy any image" thread in Graphics which was constantly spammed by Skandair posted in and Martin moved that to Forum Games and the thread died instantly. I think the same thing would happen here.

I'd really like to hear from Kyle and Nick and a few other big posters in those threads to see how they actually feel about them because at the moment, most of you want them removed but if we moved them, while it would please you, it would also annoy others.

[Yawn]

but don generic responses in those threads are better than them spamming those select few threads just for post count

at least they engage in the community with those posts (which they dont at all right now) and obv u cant pointless post in the threads because u would be warned (and mods would be more on their case as they have a bad reputation for spamming)

this is all assuming that they'd start posting elsewhere which i imagine they would. there are always lighter threads, no1 is expecting shockerz to be engaging in debates....maybe something more along the lines of wat he has in his subway

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p.s. u are gna be annoying shockerz and x!x!dude!x!x watever he is called i cant see who else would be annoyed
they know they are spamming they admit to it openly and they only do it cos they can get away with it