Anne Frank Might Be Alive

[Okeanos]

Anne Frank DID die in the Holocaust.

Hanneli Goslar and Anne were friends before the war, someone told Hanneli that Anne was in a camp next to hers and so they were able to have a brief conversation. It was Margot who was too ill to leave her bed, not Anne. Anne said that she had given up hope (because she knew her sister was dying) and she believed that both her parents had also been killed.

Otto (Anne's father) looked for years to find out what happened to his children. It took that long because Europe was in ruins, millions of people were dead and millions were missing. Janny Brandes (not Irma Sonnenberg Menkel) was the witness who came forward and told Otto that Anne and Margot had died.

The ONLY known footage of Anne is this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chZ1vRMOObI, 0:09) It was a wedding video, not in a camp or on a train. Your video isn't her.

Anne did mention the extermination of the Jews in her diary, but that is hardly surprising - the truth is most people knew what was happening. People denied knowing afterwards, but they knew. She left her diary behind when her family were captured, there are no first hand written accounts of Anne's time in Westerbork, Auschwitz or Bergen Belsen. I don't think you've even read her diary to be honest.

Why would Otto try so hard to get her diary published, to do interview after interview and choose to stay in the public light, talking about Anne well into his 90s... if she was alive and in hiding. Surely he would not want to bring attention t her? I won't humour you any further because it is pretty obvious you're trolling.

[MightyMagician]

Calm down bobby! Believing there's no conspiracy surrounding the death of Anne Frank doesn't make me simple minded.

Who are you and how do you know my name?

[Matthew]

I commend your enthusiasm for this subject @Tallcoolguy700; but its surely misplaced. I don't believe for one minute that Anne Frank is still alive

[GommeInc]

Issuing a warning is not a punishment but relocating a thread is?

Correct. A warning is not a punishment - it's a warning for a reason. A punishment is taking action on something unwanted. Moving a thread is punishment otherwise it wouldn't be moved. A warning is a warning that punishment may soon be necessary to circumvent unwanted behaviour. Why do you need word for word definitions? It's pretty obvious.

It's a fact that what's most popular is always the rule? So absurd.

So you disagree with the majority? The majority don't care because this thread is interesting and is open to discussion.

Learn to read posts properly, I never said that I disagreed with Dragga's threads being moved, in fact that point is one of my main reasons for suggesting this thread be moved.

So as FlyingJesus said - you think stupid past decisions should be re-enacted in future and present decisions for the sake of continuity despite how stupid that is?

He made loads of threads, and you're judging them all based on one particular one?

No, but as you know I disagree with moving threads to the Spam forum using it as a dumping ground for threads which clearly are there to discuss anything yet the forum that carries that namesake seems to have over-active moderators who dislike many threads being posted here.

Giving names is now considered decent sources? Lmao alrighty then. Look at the rest of the comments in this thread, even when presented with solid points he simply creates some ridiculous excuse to counter them.

Then counter them. Learn what a discussion is, rather than say "put it in the Spam forum" which is unwanted.

That's virtually all you've contributed to this thread, if you care to look I've actually been replying on topic for the past few pages...

Then clearly you can't read. Also, you have contradicted yourself. You seem to like to discuss this topic, so why want it moved? Because of mindless pedantic behaviour based on dreadful past decisions that must be followed blindly? That seems your only argument. You want it moved yet happily discuss in it.

Nope, not at all. Learn to read posts properly and then come back to me, where did I say I disagreed with them being moved to spam?

You said they have or had discussions in them. What's the name of this forum? Let me help you - Discuss Anything. Saying "learn to read" is not a valid argument, especially if you fail to do so yourself.

If you consider this tiring argument (not mine and yours, but Tallcoolguys vs everyone else) real discussion and one of the better threads on the forum then you really are a wet blanket. Nothing he's saying makes any sense, and his entire argument is built upon one picture of a girl that kinda-sort of-doesn't look like Anne Frank.

If you're against discussions leave the forum, as it's clearly only you that wants this thread removed from the publicly visible part of the forum and moved to Spam because it's "pointless" (as is the description of the Spam forum). Also, it is a real discussion. You're discussing why she must be dead. Do you really not know what a discussion is? :S


It's like you have a personal vendetta against harmless threads in this forum all of a sudden. It makes no sense and you seem bitter that only you wanted it in Spam and the decision was rightfully reverted, seeing as the Spam forum is known as a dumping ground for threads which aren't even being spammed in or "pointless".

[Okeanos]

Who are you and how do you know my name?

dont ignore my post. here it is again:

Anne Frank DID die in the Holocaust.

Hanneli Goslar and Anne were friends before the war, someone told Hanneli that Anne was in a camp next to hers and so they were able to have a brief conversation. It was Margot who was too ill to leave her bed, not Anne. Anne said that she had given up hope (because she knew her sister was dying) and she believed that both her parents had also been killed.

Otto (Anne's father) looked for years to find out what happened to his children. It took that long because Europe was in ruins, millions of people were dead and millions were missing. Janny Brandes (not Irma Sonnenberg Menkel) was the witness who came forward and told Otto that Anne and Margot had died.

The ONLY known footage of Anne is this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chZ1vRMOObI, 0:09) It was a wedding video, not in a camp or on a train. Your video isn't her.

Anne did mention the extermination of the Jews in her diary, but that is hardly surprising - the truth is most people knew what was happening. People denied knowing afterwards, but they knew. She left her diary behind when her family were captured, there are no first hand written accounts of Anne's time in Westerbork, Auschwitz or Bergen Belsen. I don't think you've even read her diary to be honest.

Why would Otto try so hard to get her diary published, to do interview after interview and choose to stay in the public light, talking about Anne well into his 90s... if she was alive and in hiding. Surely he would not want to bring attention t her? I won't humour you any further because it is pretty obvious you're trolling.

[The Don]

Correct. A warning is not a punishment - it's a warning for a reason. A punishment is taking action on something unwanted. Moving a thread is punishment otherwise it wouldn't be moved. A warning is a warning that punishment may soon be necessary to circumvent unwanted behaviour. Why do you need word for word definitions? It's pretty obvious.


So you disagree with the majority? The majority don't care because this thread is interesting and is open to discussion.


So as FlyingJesus said - you think stupid past decisions should be re-enacted in future and present decisions for the sake of continuity despite how stupid that is?


No, but as you know I disagree with moving threads to the Spam forum using it as a dumping ground for threads which clearly are there to discuss anything yet the forum that carries that namesake seems to have over-active moderators who dislike many threads being posted here.


Then counter them. Learn what a discussion is, rather than say "put it in the Spam forum" which is unwanted.


Then clearly you can't read. Also, you have contradicted yourself. You seem to like to discuss this topic, so why want it moved? Because of mindless pedantic behaviour based on dreadful past decisions that must be followed blindly? That seems your only argument. You want it moved yet happily discuss in it.


You said they have or had discussions in them. What's the name of this forum? Let me help you - Discuss Anything. Saying "learn to read" is not a valid argument, especially if you fail to do so yourself.


If you're against discussions leave the forum, as it's clearly only you that wants this thread removed from the publicly visible part of the forum and moved to Spam because it's "pointless" (as is the description of the Spam forum). Also, it is a real discussion. You're discussing why she must be dead. Do you really not know what a discussion is? :S


It's like you have a personal vendetta against harmless threads in this forum all of a sudden. It makes no sense and you seem bitter that only you wanted it in Spam and the decision was rightfully reverted, seeing as the Spam forum is known as a dumping ground for threads which aren't even being spammed in or "pointless".

It's a one sided discussion, there's virtually no reasonable argument for her being alive. It's a pointless thread. Either way i'm only discussing it with you still because you keep replying, I don't actually care about it being reverted otherwise I would have taken the issue up with the moderators. I'm just replying to your ridiculous comments, such as calling names decent sources, or calling ridiculous conspiracy theories decent discussion. Anyway, you, this argument and this thread are all boring me so I won't be replying again. Oh and a warning on a forum is a punishment because it removes your 'free pass' for mistakes. If you make a mistake you have a warning, if you do it again you get an infraction or something more severe, so taking away your free pass is a punishment. Moving a thread to a different section doesn't affect anybody, nor their account.

[MightyMagician]

Point A: Wrong, Goslar said the reason Anne was giving up was because her parents were dead. I was simply first handedly assuming good faith Goslar's memory was poor and said well what if Anne said everybody else is dead, obviously referring to her family.

Point B: Yeah, except it took Otto Frank roughly 6 months to go from Auschwitz Birkenau to Amsterdam, and since Theresienstadt was a country away right next to there it would have taken 6 months as well. As for looking for years for his kids? He and Miep and Bep could have known where they were this whole time, starting new lives. Janny Brandez said she found her "dead body", 2 sisters claimed they saw Anne die and told Otto Frank, but ultimately it was Irma Otto believed, in the summer, because she said Anne died in her arms. The years Otto Frank spent "searching" was for only for a nonexistent body (2 tbh).

Point C: Are you kidding me? Yes it does look like her. How can you judge her appearance in a camp anyways?

Point D: No she didn't leave her diary behind. She was going to but an arresting officer put it in disarray, which Miep locked in her desk drawer. I never mentioned written accounts of Anne in the camps, that's why I said there's no documentation. And I read her diary.

Point E: Otto Frank simply would have wanted Anne to start a new life with Margot for her protection, but publishing her diary would be keeping her spirit alive. New life - not hiding. And you're not making a valid argument.

[FlyingJesus]

You're still yet to disclose a real reason why a person with dreams of making it big in journalism and other writing would want to start a "new life" (which is the same as hiding) when the means to have all their ambitions come to fruition were right there just a few years after the war. Anne Frank was not a shy hideaway girl who wanted a simple life knowing no-one, as anyone who read the diary knows. There's still absolutely zero motive for any of these theories

[MightyMagician]

There was Peter Van Pels. A new life doesn't mean a career free one. She could have been writing books under a pen name and you wouldn't know. And having a diary that sells a fortune makes you famous if you're a said Holocaust victim, so now many people do know her.

[FlyingJesus]

That is a response to literally zero of my points, well done