Shootings and explosion in Paris

[AgnesIO]

I'm sorry but i'll be plain and clear that anyone who sympathises with the feelings or reasons of people who go out and murder the staff and editors of a magazine for the simple act of mocking and criticising a religion are vile human beings. I have nothing but hatred in my heart for terrorists as should any decent and normal person.

And I am sickened by you attempting to rationalise acts of terrorism against innocent French people.

I'm not attempting to rationalise acts of terrorism. Don't you dare try and suggest that.

Would you be against any intervention in response to this? If not, how can you possibly sympathise with our governments killing innocent civilians (the 'price' of also getting to ISIS)? If you support any intervention whatsoever, you are being a hypocrite.

Saying "You should not publish derogatory images of the Prophet Mohammed" (which is what the Charlie Hebdo attackers said), is a perfectly reasonable thought. However, it is an entirely different thought to "yes, they deserved to be killed".​

[-:Undertaker:-]

@conservative; I have and will suggest it.

I'll let all what you've said stand as I think anyone reading other than a select few can plainly see and make up their own minds, including this earlier comment...

I'm guessing the same. I am also preparing my argument that anyone now seriously calling for anti-Islam laws (like banning the bur'qa) might like to rethink their ideas.

aka "The French kinda brought it on themselves for daring asserting their secular republican values" I read that as. You're a vile apologist.

[AgnesIO]

What next from you I wonder? That you can 'see why' those killers went out and beheaded Lee Rigby?

Nobody is saying that. One could say; "I think it is entirely wrong that British soldiers are involved in the killing of Muslims in Africa and the Middle East". That is not the same as agreeing that a soldier deserves to be beheaded on our streets. They are two entirely different concepts.

I'm just glad that any rational person can see (based on your ridiculous poll claims) that you are an absolute nut case.

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@conservative; I have and will suggest it.

I'll let all what you've said stand as I think anyone reading other than a select few can plainly see and make up their own minds, including this earlier comment...



aka "The French kinda brought it on themselves for daring asserting their secular republican values" I read that as. You're a vile apologist.

That's not being an apologist. Paris has been targeted for a reason - it's entirely wrong - but that are seen as more anti-Islamic than other countries in Europe. It's absolutely disgusting that they've been targeted - but giving extremists an excuse to harm you is not going to help you.

It's lovely that you've read my post in an entirely different way to what I meant. At least I'm actually using your words as they are.

[-:Undertaker:-]

British troops are actively just killing innocent muslims in the Middle East and Africa are they? @conservative;

Are you really equating civilian casualties in a war with that of Islamic terrorists who open fire in a restaurant?

...as I said you've said enough to incriminate yourself. I'll leave it there and let anyone reading judge.

but giving extremists an excuse to harm you is not going to help you.

In other words, "don't stand up for your secular republican values France as you're kinda asking to be blown up. Just submit to radical Islam and abandon your values"

A modern day Quisling.

[AgnesIO]

British troops are actively just killing innocent muslims in the Middle East and Africa are they? @conservative;

Are you really equating civilian casualties in a war with that of Islamic terrorists who open fire in a restaurant?



...as I said you've said enough to incriminate yourself. I'll leave it there and let anyone reading judge.

I seem to remember that you are the one that blames Blair and Bush for the problems in Africa and the Middle East... don't you say their wouldn't be these issues if it wasn't for our interventions 12 years ago? Oh, that's awkward.

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Once again, I am not making excuses for Paris. I have never said that, I never will say that, and it is probably time you stop implying that I said that. That's called slander. It's a crime.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I seem to remember that you are the one that blames Blair and Bush for the problems in Africa and the Middle East... don't you say their wouldn't be these issues if it wasn't for our interventions 12 years ago? Oh, that's awkward.

I blame Bush and Blair for removing the strongmen in the Middle East who keep radical Islam in check.

I don't deny the existence of radical Islam or deny how widespread it is, like you. Wahabbism & other strains of Islam pre-date any western actions in the region.

[AgnesIO]

I blame Bush and Blair for removing the strongmen in the Middle East who keep radical Islam in check.

I don't deny the existence of radical Islam or deny how widespread it is, like you do.

Let's just spin this back to the start; "5% of Muslims have a pathological hatred towards the West".

Now, I don't deny radical Islam exists. I deny your bogus figures.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Let's just spin this back to the start; "5% of Muslims have a pathological hatred towards the West".

Now, I don't deny radical Islam exists. I deny your bogus figures.

My example figure was bogus yes, the figures from the research show the percentages to be higher than 5%. Fool.

[Thordenhime]

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[Lewis]

I probably disagree with some of what Undertaker says, but he's the only one that's actually made some sense in in this thread. I'd rep him if I could but it seems I've already done so lately.

And for Conservative dismissing the polls and percentages Undertaker said, some statistics you've posted are even more shocking and worse than what what he's said, so you've done yourself no favour in my opinion. You said they had sympathy for the motives behind it and to me that is no better than having sympathy for those who actually carried the acts out.

I'm not much of a good debater, so don't expect much more from me lol