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    Default Should schools teach LGBT+ inclusive sex education?



    Topics surrounding sex education in schools has always been a widely controversial topic ranging from what should be discussed, at what age should these topics be discussed, and what resources should be available to students.


    Now, there is a discussion on whether or not schools should teach LGBT+ inclusive sex education. Currently, sex-education programs do not reliably talk about sexual orientation and gender identity, and when they do, the information can be inaccurate and deeply negative. But, studies have shown that the members of the LGBT+ community are a majority of cases for things such as HIV, and other STIs.

    What are your thoughts? Should schools teach LGBT+ inclusive sex education?


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    No, they should not. Radical left theories on how a man is really a woman, or there being 100+ genders is brainwashing.

    Children go to school to learn Maths, English and real subjects. Not to have their heads filled with dangerous nonsense.



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    I really think it should be taught in schools. For a number of reasons.

    1. I remember when I was in high school we had sex education lessons, which was entirely centred around heterosexual intimacy. To put it quite simply: why shouldn't people learn about LGBTQ+ sex education when we have no choice but to sit in heterosexual sex education lessons? I can only imagine what it must feel like to be, for example, homosexual and still having so much confusion about your sexuality while in school. Perhaps thinking you're too "different" or "odd" because your teachers don't even talk about the sexuality you believe you identify as. Sex education is taught in schools with the aim to make sure people are fully informed about safe sex and sexual health; so you can only imagine what the lack of information for LGBTQ+ kids could lead to.

    2. Another thing I remember from school was words like "gay" being used as an insult, because certain people seem to associate homosexuality as a negative thing. It's quite funny to me how people always point out that this is a problem but refuse to see that it's likely partially caused by no one in a school environment ever speaking of the LGBTQ+ community in a positive or informative way. If it's treated as a taboo from an early age, what do you think kids will begin to think about it?

    3. In terms of gender identity, I suppose you could compare it to humanities studies or religious education, most kids are taught about different cultures and different religions in school. So again, why not learn about gender identity? Whether you agree with something or not I'm a firm believe that you should at least know what you're talking about before you choose to speak on it. A lot of people base their own personal beliefs on their environment - the people they've grown up around, the things they've seen on TV, what they've learned at school. I'm not saying we need to teach all kids that they have to be accepting of everything and everyone but I think it's important that kids learn to at least seek out information to make an informed decision to form their own opinion, and know that they can have their own opinion, they don't have to adopt the thoughts of their parents or friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadameJaquack View Post
    3. In terms of gender identity, I suppose you could compare it to humanities studies or religious education, most kids are taught about different cultures and different religions in school. So again, why not learn about gender identity? Whether you agree with something or not I'm a firm believe that you should at least know what you're talking about before you choose to speak on it. A lot of people base their own personal beliefs on their environment - the people they've grown up around, the things they've seen on TV, what they've learned at school. I'm not saying we need to teach all kids that they have to be accepting of everything and everyone but I think it's important that kids learn to at least seek out information to make an informed decision to form their own opinion, and know that they can have their own opinion, they don't have to adopt the thoughts of their parents or friends.
    Would you be as open to teaching kids that the Earth is flat?



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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    Would you be as open to teaching kids that the Earth is flat?

    There's a big difference between teaching kids something that has been scientifically proven to be false and teaching kids about other communities and how to be respectful people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadameJaquack View Post
    There's a big difference between teaching kids something that has been scientifically proven to be false and teaching kids about other communities and how to be respectful people.
    Gender identity and the belief that a man can become a woman or vice versa has no scientific basis yet you advocate teaching it to children.

    And what is meant by respect? Does that mean using invented pronouns?



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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    Gender identity and the belief that a man can become a woman or vice versa has no scientific basis yet you advocate teaching it to children.

    And what is meant by respect? Does that mean using invented pronouns?
    Well, you're slightly wrong there. There are many scientific publications investigating the biological foundation of gender identity in the areas of both social science and psychology. Yes, a big causing factor that alters how an individual may identify in terms of their gender is their surrounding environment, but it's also caused by chemicals in the brain and differing levels of hormones. The exact same way that the hormones in your body tell your brain that are, say for example, cis gender. This is something I first started studying in my psychology classes in high school so it's not exactly new.

    If you want to be technical about it, the Oxford dictionary defines respect as "due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others."
    If we use this definition, having respect is not necessarily agreeing with something, it's acknowledging that it's part of someone's sense of self and that it's ultimately nothing to do with you. As I said in my first response to this debate, I don't expect everyone to be welcoming and accepting of everything ever, because it's just not realistic, it's human nature for people to have opposing views - as shown in our discussion right now. But I do believe that if you don't like or agree with something... just look the other way? There are people in this world that will go so far to stand against how someone feels. Whether it's gender identity, or sexuality. I think of my nan, she grew up in a household where she was told homosexuality was "disgusting", so that's what she thought her whole life. Until I told her my best friend, that she'd already met several times and got along well with, was bisexual and she realised that LGBTQ+ aren't the monsters she'd been taught they were. She still isn't comfortable with homosexuality but has very much of a "it's not affecting me and my life" approach to it. And I think that, ultimately, if you don't agree with something that's the best outlook to have. Hate and negativity will get you nowhere.
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    I definitely think it should be included in school sex-ed. They're hardly going to be showing children pornographic videos or discussing intimate details...
    It amazes me that the world still needs such questions, it should have been included a long while ago!

    Given the evident lack of understanding still expressed from adults, there definitely needs to be widespread education about the difference between
    biological sex (which is what cannot yet be changed) and gender (which is a societal construct so can definitely be chosen by the individual...)

    If children are growing up with bigoted parents, they definitely need teaching that being LGBT+ is nothing to be ashamed of.
    It could help teach children a bit more empathy and understanding around such issues, and help promote acceptance.

    Why do some people think they're in a position that they can dictate someone else's identity, and tell them they're wrong?

    (Side note - why isn't the shocked reaction coming up on these posts? Could definitely have done with them...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadameJaquack View Post
    Well, you're slightly wrong there. There are many scientific publications investigating the biological foundation of gender identity in the areas of both social science and psychology. Yes, a big causing factor that alters how an individual may identify in terms of their gender is their surrounding environment, but it's also caused by chemicals in the brain and differing levels of hormones. The exact same way that the hormones in your body tell your brain that are, say for example, cis gender. This is something I first started studying in my psychology classes in high school so it's not exactly new.

    If you want to be technical about it, the Oxford dictionary defines respect as "due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others."
    If we use this definition, having respect is not necessarily agreeing with something, it's acknowledging that it's part of someone's sense of self and that it's ultimately nothing to do with you. As I said in my first response to this debate, I don't expect everyone to be welcoming and accepting of everything ever, because it's just not realistic, it's human nature for people to have opposing views - as shown in our discussion right now. But I do believe that if you don't like or agree with something... just look the other way? There are people in this world that will go so far to stand against how someone feels. Whether it's gender identity, or sexuality. I think of my nan, she grew up in a household where she was told homosexuality was "disgusting", so that's what she thought her whole life. Until I told her my best friend, that she'd already met several times and got along well with, was bisexual and she realised that LGBTQ+ aren't the monsters she'd been taught they were. She still isn't comfortable with homosexuality but has very much of a "it's not affecting me and my life" approach to it. And I think that, ultimately, if you don't agree with something that's the best outlook to have. Hate and negativity will get you nowhere.
    No I am sorry, but that is not what respect is. Many of the major religions detest criticism and liberal rights - in particular Islam - but we do not bend to its will out of some vague jelly idea of respect, or at least we certainly should not if we wish to preserve a liberal pluralistic democracy. If the values of something are totally counter to those of my own or my own society, then why on earth should I be frogmarched into going along with them? I believe, as do the majority of people in this country and on the planet, that there are two genders and that the words people like you use such as 'cisgender' are pure and utter drivel. Now you have every right to believe yourself in these things, but you do not have the right to force these very strange and far-left sociological views on me or on society.


    You can invent whatever gender you want and call yourself it, along with the members of your local Labour party and Twitter. But what you cannot and should not be able to do, is to demand that society at large - your employer, friends, family, customers, strangers, the law in general - bend to your minority ideas on gender and sexuality.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MadameJaquack View Post
    I think of my nan, she grew up in a household where she was told homosexuality was "disgusting", so that's what she thought her whole life. Until I told her my best friend, that she'd already met several times and got along well with, was bisexual and she realised that LGBTQ+ aren't the monsters she'd been taught they were. She still isn't comfortable with homosexuality but has very much of a "it's not affecting me and my life" approach to it. And I think that, ultimately, if you don't agree with something that's the best outlook to have. Hate and negativity will get you nowhere.
    This story, and the just like, mentality of just focus your energy on something else, are a huge part to me as part of this debate. Yes I understand that some people will have differing opinions and that's OK, what's not OK is when you try to demean or belittle other people for having their own opinions.

    Also, I firmly believe that whether you "agree" with someone's seuxality, gender identity, the way they prefer to be addressed, why not just do it and move on? If I, as a single woman, asked to be addressed as "Ms", or even chose to change my NAME, would there be the same outrage? No absolutely not people would just get on with it and change the way they refer to you out of basic levels of respect.

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