21 Conservative MPs are expelled from the party as Government loses its majority

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the point youve raised is unrelated to my statement
it was not a post suggesting we should adopt pr

equally nothing in your reply actually explains how a ge is at all a peoples vote because you know it isnt and its disingenuous to suggest it is

That's because we've already had a People's Vote.

And 3 years on, Parliament is unable to pass anything and is obstructing that People's Vote.

So, time for a General Election as the House of Commons is the problem.

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That's because we've already had a People's Vote.

And 3 years on, Parliament is unable to pass anything and is obstructing that People's Vote.

So, time for a General Election as the House of Commons is the problem.

so you were lying before by saying parliament voted against a peoples vote by voting against another early general election

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so you were lying before by saying parliament voted against a peoples vote by voting against another early general election

I'm asking you, your side is the side who keeps asking for so-called People's Votes.

Yet we've had a referendum, a General Election and a European Election all confirming that Britain wants to leave the EU.

How many more People's Votes do we need before these two-faced ****s in the House of Commons do as we say?

I turned on #bbcqt at this exact moment and witnessed THE funniest take down of Labour’s awful and ridiculous Brexit policy pic.twitter.com/sEdizVjM9Q

— Ellie Varley (@ellievarley13) September 5, 2019

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I'm asking you, your side is the side who keeps asking for so-called People's Votes.

Yet we've had a referendum, a General Election and a European Election all confirming that Britain wants to leave the EU.

How many more People's Votes do we need before these two-faced ****s in the House of Commons do as we say?

I turned on #bbcqt at this exact moment and witnessed THE funniest take down of Labour’s awful and ridiculous Brexit policy pic.twitter.com/sEdizVjM9Q

— Ellie Varley (@ellievarley13) September 5, 2019

asking me what
i explained a ge is not equivalent to a peoples vote nor is the eu elections

[Inseriousity.]

A second referendum/people's vote wouldn't resolve the deadlock as no side would accept the outcome (remainers wouldn't and have already said this publicly, leavers wouldn't because the first one wasn't implemented) whereas a GE could do so if it changes the balance of Parliament* (remainers win, they can extend or revoke article 50, leavers win, repeal the new extension law, leave deal or no deal). It sounds like the latter is Boris' strategy but he's hit a brick wall because they won't vote for the general election they've been banging on about for years (and which I agreed with at the time during May's attempts to pass it through). I can understand why they wouldn't

I've never really had an issue with the Fixed Terms Parliament Act before. The Prime Minister is now essentially hostage to the whims of the Opposition, they can implement legislation and turn the Prime Minister into their puppet because he's lost the majority and needs them to get a general election, which he'd have been able to do themselves before. Interesting thing about the resigning although I doubt it'd look very good from a PR point of view. Ideally, you'd want to start an election campaign from a position of strength. Plus technically, I don't think you're allowed to officially resign as Prime Minister without an alternative in place.

*Of course the risk is that it just results in another hung parliament. I think that Boris is fairly confident of a majority but I wouldn't be so sure. The loss of Scottish seats would need to be made up for in other seats alongside even the weakest of Brexit Party challenges in a FPTP system could mean disaster. I know that senior Tories have complained about the whip being removed but that always felt like a deliberate move to remove remainers from the Conservatives benches. At least that way if it is another hung Parliament with a tory/dup alliance or whatever, at least that way the Conservative leave vote is stronger.

Regardless what happens, this is top quality politics drama right now (sunglasses)

[dbgtz]

the 2 issues with a ge is that you dont need a majority of votes to get a majority of seats and that a vote for a party doesnt mean you endorse all of their policies - pretty sure even UKIP at its peak had like 10% of members that didnt want to actually leave the eu

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At this point I am not even sure if I would accept the results of a General Election if I am completely honest. I am so disillusioned.

If nobody else is accepting they've lost in democratic votes, then why the hell should I?

“There are people who voted for the first time in the 2016 referendum because they thought their vote would actually count for something”@IainDale thinks the way MPs have reacted to the 2016 EU referendum will permanently put people off voting #bbcqt pic.twitter.com/7jktf5FMnL

— BBC Question Time (@bbcquestiontime) September 5, 2019

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If you think the last few weeks have been fun, here's what Dominic Cummings cryptically said...

Told that Dominic Cummings told a meeting on Friday that the people who are cross about his tactics “will melt” when they learn of what he has planned in coming weeks.

We’re in the foothills of the chaos.

— Michael Savage (@michaelsavage) September 7, 2019

In other news tonight....


Amber Rudd MP has quit the Cabinet and resigned the Tory whip.

Meanwhile, Angela Smith MP (former Labour, then Change UK) has defected to the Liberal Democrats.

A current (non-No10) special adviser texts re Amber Rudd:

“She should have been first out - she’s trashed her rep anyway now, my message would be **** off to the Lib Dems where you belong.”

— Alex Wickham (@alexwickham) September 7, 2019

The people no longer respect this parliament and they are absolutely right. https://t.co/5gb3Hosg5v

— Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage) September 7, 2019

BREAKING: Nigel Farage tells the Sunday Times the Brexit party will not stand candidates against the 28 Tory Brexiteers who opposed May’s deal - and anyone else who vows not to back any deal

— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) September 7, 2019

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isnt dominic cummings an unelected bureaucrat