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    Should we introduce HIV passes?


    So now that the government is moving to introduce Covid-19 Passes in the name of saving the NHS and protecting others, it had me thinking. Perhaps we should also extend this to those who have HIV? The lifetime cost to the NHS of a person with HIV is estimated at £360,000 - and a yearly supply of the medication PREP costs the NHS £5,000.

    In the name of saving the NHS and saving lives (because HIV still claims lives), should we introduce HIV passes? This would mean that people with HIV would be barred from socialising such as going to nightclubs and restaurants, and would face extra testing that they would have to pay for when they fly into the UK - to make sure their viral load is small and unpassable to their fellow citizens. To be eligible for entry, they would have to be undetectable on their latest test result.

    For context, HIV has claimed the lives of 40 million people globally.

    China already has a similar system in place for HIV where you cannot enter the country if you are HIV positive.

    This debate is now open!
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    I honestly don't think the two things are comparable.

    The way you catch HIV is different to Covid so it doesn't really make sense (to me) to have an HIV pass?
    For sure people should disclose if they need to regarding having HIV, but I don't think there needs to be tests or loads of different countries not allowing you in if you're HIV positive. I can't imagine that someone traveling with a positive HIV result will come into contact with that many people on the daily and transmit it.

    If you think there should be something in place for HIV, do you also think there should be something in place for all sexually transmitted infections/diseases?

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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    In the name of saving the NHS and saving lives (because HIV still claims lives), should we introduce HIV passes? This would mean that people with HIV would be barred from socialising such as going to nightclubs and restaurants, and would face extra testing that they would have to pay for when they fly into the UK - to make sure their viral load is small and unpassable to their fellow citizens. To be eligible for entry, they would have to be undetectable on their latest test result.
    I think you should research how HIV is transmitted. You're not going to get it sitting next to someone in a restaurant or dancing with them in a nightclub. This is just embarrassing.


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    Imagine being this stupid and hateful just to try proving a point that you're constantly wrong about. This isn't even a debate, the clear answer is "no" because you don't transmit HIV by going into public social places and there would be absolutely no benefit to this scheme.

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    I mean if you're going to start getting HIV passes, I'll need a Cold sore pass, which is a form of herpes and far more contagious than HIV since HIV can only be transmitted though sexual activities or sharing needles. Whereas cold sores can be passed over by physical contact with it when it's present.

    but yes, lets ban everyone with some form of virus, if you have the flu, you'll be on house arrest for 14 days... got hay fever? I'm afraid you'll be confined to your house during the summer period.



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    It sounds to me like a lot of you don't care about supporting "our NHS".

    Even if these measures saved just one life, it would surely be worth it. It's only showing a QR code, what's the big problem?

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    but yes, lets ban everyone with some form of virus, if you have the flu, you'll be on house arrest for 14 days... got hay fever? I'm afraid you'll be confined to your house during the summer period.
    Totally agreed. In fact, personally I don't think people should even be allowed outside their houses anymore. It's far too dangerous. What if they slip and fall? How will the NHS cope? It's just selfish behaviour that people with HIV and even mild viruses even think they should be allowed to participate in civil society.
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    It wouldn't save any lives, because you don't catch HIV from being near people who have it. Complete false equivalence, possibly your worst attempt yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingJesus View Post
    It wouldn't save any lives, because you don't catch HIV from being near people who have it. Complete false equivalence, possibly your worst attempt yet
    HIV spreads through needle usage and unprotected sex, most of which derives from the nightclub industry/drinking.

    HIV Passports to get into a nightclub or bar would eliminate this possibility because anyone with detectable HIV wouldn't be allowed in. Think of our NHS.



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    Yeah, no. "Most" unprotected sex and drug taking does not occur in nightclubs, what did I tell you about lies? You're not doing well here at all, just embarrassing yourself by being obtuse and failing at sarcasm.
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    I think this is absolutely a horrible thread to start with, covid and hiv are two complete different things, yes hiv can be transmitted by needs or sex, drugs or if someone is bleeding and they have hiv and it goes into someoneís open cut, but overall you are targeting people by even suggesting this. Because how do you know the bartender for example does not have hiv? If thatís the case and what your putting forward they would not be able to work, to me this thread is pointless and also discrimination people and I donít like that at all, I donít even feel this needs to be debated.
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