Replace The Report Infractions Thread

[T0M]

I know loads of people go on about infractions, i think the report an infraction thread is pointless and biast.
If you get an infraction and report it, 90% of the time, mods will not reverse it, possibly it could of been fair OR the mod might not want to offend the mod/admin who gave the ifnraction because they are friends.

Because of the 2nd reason i think there should be a different system about unfair infractions and a fairer way that they would be resolved

[brandon]

I agree with you in a way, when you say a different system.

[T0M]

I agree with you in a way, when you say a different system.

Cheers for reply =) hopefully this will get noticed and not just considered as another infraction annoyed muppet =)

Nice rep btw :o

[Caution]

Er, mods will only remove it if it's unfair..

The different system I sort of agree with tho'.;)

[Nick-]

Although the system used could do with a couple of screws tightening i dont think theres a better way an unfair infraction can be dealt with.
We can reverse infractions if we feel they are too harsh and we do not buckle to pressure from other moderators or other users, i know i am completely unbiased when i deal with a reported infraction as often ive never even met the user over the forum and therefore can have no negative or positive opinions either way.

Although there is a close community within the moderating team which is needed for the amount of teamwork we get done we do not let opinions get in the way of reviewing an infraction.

[ReviewDude]

I disagree. Mods and S Mods work as a team, and a surprising amount of Infractions/Warnings actually aren't touched because - simply - they are fair. Whilst in any system we can't rule out bias, it's highly unlikely - and if you believe it is so then there are ways to voice your concerns.

And only a very small percentage of Infractions are reported anyway... I believe the system is sound.

[Nick-]

Then again theres always the off chance that the infraction is in fact fair and there is in fact a rule against the post made ;)

[T0M]

Then again theres always the off chance that the infraction is in fact fair and there is in fact a rule against the post made ;)

yes true, im not saying none of infractions given arent fair, just some are unfairly left and unremoved :l

Ty for quick reply on report infraction thread nick, please look at post above though as i would like a 2nd, un bias opinion, thanks

[ReviewDude]

Actually, you probably just believe they're unfairly left. I mean, think about it. You know the full facts only on Infractions you have personally reported - you can't, in all fairness, comment on other people's, as much as it may look like they are in the right.

[T0M]

Actually, you probably just believe they're unfairly left. I mean, think about it. You know the full facts only on Infractions you have personally reported - you can't, in all fairness, comment on other people's, as much as it may look like they are in the right.


Well in all fairness your a MOD you benefit from the ifnraction system as it favours MODS, so in fairness your opinion would be bias =)

[Caution]

Well in all fairness your a MOD you benefit from the ifnraction system as it favours MODS, so in fairness your opinion would be bias =)
er, no - thats wrong..

[T0M]

er, no - thats wrong..

Every1 has their own opinions and we're all entitled to them =)

[Caution]

Your entitled to an opinion, just that yours is wrong.;)

[ReviewDude]

Well in all fairness your a MOD you benefit from the ifnraction system as it favours MODS, so in fairness your opinion would be bias =)

I'm having trouble understanding what you mean. Do you have any idea how much of a pain in the rear it is to fill out an Infraction form, after checking previous history - then for the S Mods to check EVERYTHING through?

Most Infractions get reversed at that step, so a limited number of fair Infractions get through. Of those, the borderline ones - the members usually get the benefit of the doubt and the truly unfair ones are reversed.

So the system doesn't "favour" anyone. And for the record, I held this view before I became a Mod :)

[Nixt]

What is it you suggest we replace this system with? :)

[ReviewDude]

What is it you suggest we replace this system with? :)

A death ray :D Bagsie being the gunner!

[nvrspk4]

Well in all fairness your a MOD you benefit from the ifnraction system as it favours MODS, so in fairness your opinion would be bias =)

Right, because we benefit from the threads made about us, angry and abusive PMs, and members with a grudge because of one little infraction ;)

What do you suggest we replace it with? If its a better system it might be looked into but as of now you're saying get rid of that and think up a new system :p No matter what you do, the "bias" that you suggest is there will still be there because unless we can teach a machine to somehow process and judge what is fair which is pretty hard since human judgement is needed, there's no 100% unbiased system :p However SMods do try their best :)

[:Jamie]

I disagree where you say mods wont reverse it because it might offend the other mod, well this isn't true seeing as if an infraction gets reversed the mod wouldnt really bother =/ and maybe 90% of the time you tried getting them reversed they were maybe actually fair infractions.

As said above if your going to say change the system then suggest what it could be replaced with, something that is already created by a vb dev or something.

[T0M]

Right, because we benefit from the threads made about us, angry and abusive PMs, and members with a grudge because of one little infraction ;)

What do you suggest we replace it with? If its a better system it might be looked into but as of now you're saying get rid of that and think up a new system :p No matter what you do, the "bias" that you suggest is there will still be there because unless we can teach a machine to somehow process and judge what is fair which is pretty hard since human judgement is needed, there's no 100% unbiased system :p However SMods do try their best :)

Its the principal of the matter though, get an unfair infraction then some1 is gonna kick up a fuss to try and get it removed, even if others disagree.

[SuperMatt]

On my other account (strongmatt) one mod called nick- said "Dont Double Post Nub"

[Nixt]

Its the principal of the matter though, get an unfair infraction then some1 is gonna kick up a fuss to try and get it removed, even if others disagree.

If it is unfair, It always gets reversed.


On my other account (strongmatt) one mod called nick- said "Dont Double Post Nub"

I will look at that for you, however I have to say I find it unlikely :s

Edit: you have no posts on that account, and therefore no Infractions...

[Catzsy]

Well I have to say that there are not too many mistakes made but we are all human and do make them occasionally. None of the Smods just verify an infraction/warning and there is no bias at all. If one feels that it should be reversed for whatever reason then it is reversed although sometimes admin
is contacted to confirm.

[T0M]

Well I have to say that there are not too many mistakes made but we are all human and do make them occasionally. None of the Smods just verify an infraction/warning and there is no bias at all. If one feels that it should be reversed for whatever reason then it is reversed although sometimes admin
is contacted to confirm.


=) ty for posting and hi again =) im Baxter

Althought i disagree, i think there is bias is some of the decisions made but i guess thats just life, think this thread is done tbh, any1 whos interested has posted their views,
Thanks to all, and to reviewdude, thanks for -rep :l

[nvrspk4]

Its the principal of the matter though, get an unfair infraction then some1 is gonna kick up a fuss to try and get it removed, even if others disagree.

I've seen people blatently avoid the filter and kick up a fuss. I've seen people be distinctly racist and kick up a fuss. Either way there's no need for them to harass the moderator? And I suppose that, to quote you "Dan is a sell-out" because he didn't reverse an infraction am I correct?


On my other account (strongmatt) one mod called nick- said "Dont Double Post Nub"

If you show us the post we certainly will take action on that.

[T0M]

I've seen people blatently avoid the filter and kick up a fuss. I've seen people be distinctly racist and kick up a fuss. Either way there's no need for them to harass the moderator? And I suppose that, to quote you "Dan is a sell-out" because he didn't reverse an infraction am I correct?



If you show us the post we certainly will take action on that.

No, not coz he wouldnt reverse my infraction, dont treat me like a little kid :l Probs just as smart as you.

He is a sellout because he used to be on this forum to have fun n stuff, no he only on here to be a puppet of the rules. Thats what i disagree with.

[ReviewDude]

Rofl you're Anti-Dan because he follows the rules?

[T0M]

Rofl you're Anti-Dan because he follows the rules?

Totally mis-interpreted what i said, tbh i dont like how you speak tbh, speak like your looking down at me :l

I have a problem with Dan because of how he changed to get up the importance ladder on this forum.
review dude annoys me quite abit
Any1 who wants to say something please Pm me
Thanks alot

[Nick-]

On my other account (strongmatt) one mod called nick- said "Dont Double Post Nub"
I strongly recommend you do not spread lies over the Forum to attempt to get Staff into trouble
Why would any respectable member of the forum do that? Its just plain rude.

[Nixt]

I'm still confused as to why you think we refuse to reverse Infractions because we don't want to offend other Moderators, it is in fact, better that we reverse Infractions because Moderators will be a little more careful in future to not make the same mistake twice.
If an Infraction is not reversed it is because it is fair not because we don't want to offend a Moderator, such a thought doesn't even cross my mind when I reverse Infractions.

[ReviewDude]

Totally mis-interpreted what i said, tbh i dont like how you speak tbh, speak like your looking down at me :l

I have a problem with Dan because of how he changed to get up the importance ladder on this forum.
review dude annoys me quite abit
Any1 who wants to say something please Pm me
Thanks alot

VIPs can't lock in this Forum - and apologies if you took offence to my post ;)

[T0M]

Maybe that is so garion, because your a good Mod even though your from bristol...

Anyways dont you s mods understand closing thread :P

Dont see why you should get to post on a locked thread lol
Anyways Pm me if wanna sya something tyvm

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