More / Better Moderators needed.

[today]

People would still complain and things wouldn't pan out how you hope them to unfortunately, people would still claim they were being ignored because doing what everyone wants is just not possible so someone has to make a decision on thing somewhere along the line and those decisions wont make everyone happy. As much as we'd love everyone to be happy and have their ideas implemented it just isn't possible. Personally without killing off the idea I feel this forum is a better way to express opinions as everyone can individually say their feelings and they can be read and taken note of however with a council you rely on a few people to express how everyone feels which isn't possible sadly, even in the real world it doesn't really work. + rep for your ideas and comments, they are much appreciated, you've made me think a lot about this.
Indeed, i did say in my other post there will be someone who wont be happy, there always is, so nothing can be done about that, but as i said the application then voting would give the best results.

Habbox Council, what is it?
The habbox council will include 'x' users and 'x' staff including two senior managment users which they'll discuss the ideas posted on Habbox Feedback forum in a private forum thus giving full detailed answers without other users posting i nthe threads when they actually dont know what the thread is about and just trying to stop this idea for what ever reason without fully backing up their point, the council would discuss all idea's when posted each week and they'll discuss why it would be good or bad to have the idea supported by Habbox, as i said having a private forum for this stop any user posting and messing the whole idea up, such as this thread has had many posts which are not needed, as i said the private forum would only be used by the council, this gives senior managment a clear view on what users would think and they'll able to reply without too much hassle and moaning from all the users. They'll not discuss who should be banned as Super Moderators are there to do so, the council would just reply to idea's in the forum and they'll discuss them untill the senior memebers would come up with a final agreement, as i said its a very good idea and the private forum would contain ONLY answers and not spamming making the idea easy to read the good and bad points. You cant do that in the feedback forum.

[Cixso]

This is what i came up with, (:


I don't even read small font, I read about a line or two before I get bored.
I don't know why I am doing it now but hey!

Maybe we could PM MAD for an example with our nomonies...

Or the most active people. Dedicated people, as I could name lots:

My self as one.
Lycan
Hollywood
Sunny
l!!nk
Lily
Rix
Aflux
Invent
GoldenMerc
Earthquake
Catzy :o
+MANY MORE

The list can go on and on and on...

[today]

I don't even read small font, I read about a line or two before I get bored.
I don't know why I am doing it now but hey!

Maybe we could PM MAD for an example with out nomonies...

Or the most active people. Dedicated people, as I could name lots:

My self as one.
Lycan
Hollywood
Sunny
l!!nk
Lily
Rix
Aflux
Invent
GoldenMerc

The list can go on and on and on...
I'v actually been speaking to MAD via Pm's and he said he will discuss the idea with Sierk when sierk returns. :)

Along with ages ago Sierk wanted a council, we've gave many good points and we've discussed the bad. :)

[Lycan]

perhaps an independent group of people should sort through the applications rather then managment ... an unbiased randomly selected.

[Earthquake]

I don't even read small font, I read about a line or two before I get bored.
I don't know why I am doing it now but hey!

Maybe we could PM MAD for an example with our nomonies...

Or the most active people. Dedicated people, as I could name lots:

My self as one.
Lycan
Hollywood
Sunny
l!!nk
Lily
Rix
Aflux
Invent
GoldenMerc

The list can go on and on and on...
I'm not even on their.

[Soil]

Anyway, now a days, most members feel they are not listened to. With a council, who will be looking at habbox feedback etc, not many members will feel they are being ignored.
Also like someone mentioned above, a council member could post in every thread posted in Habbox Feedback and reply to the users idea / problem.
This way the users wont feel like they are being ignored.

[today]

I'm not even on their.
You get banned too often, and not mature.

perhaps an independent group of people should sort through the applications rather then managment ... an unbiased randomly selected.
As i said MAD should pick as after all he would get the final say though he should pick users who would disagree to a certain point otherwise the council idea is pointless.

[Cixso]

I'm not even on their.

Lies!!!!! :)

I think it would be a great idea.

[Earthquake]

Lies!!!!! :)

I think it would be a great idea.
Cheers :P

And I think I would be a great council member, I'm well known on this forum, My ideas could be spread widly.

[Lycan]

Cheers :P

And I think I would be a great council member, I'm well known on this forum, My ideas could be spread widly.


You have just as much as a chance as anyone on this forum.

lets not get into discussing who would make a good member and who woudn't.

[Catzsy]

:P I can't help it, I have to give my opinion in detail, at least I don't post pointlessly, eh?



Yes I agree on this, however as I was saying 6 people can't give a overview of how the whole forum feels. Either Habbox should continue just having people post in this forum with ideas of they would have to think of an easy way that the councillors could address certain groups of people and how they would collect ideas and work out exactly what the majority of people want. At the end of the day you'd have to pick people who could take on board other peoples view with maturity and would also have to be able to keep their own personal feeling out of the way of the majority of the members ideas and feelings as we want the majorities ideas, not 6 people. If we couldn't find a way that these 6 people could represent the certain areas of the forum then there would be no point in having them as it would just be the same as the management making decisions as it would be a handful of people deciding on things rather than the members of the forum making those decisions. I'm not sure if this would work as look at the way counties in the UK work at the moment although they have councils to represent the area people still complain that their views are ignored even when the majority agree on something as at the end of the day it comes down to the councillors decision over the public which in some respects destroys the idea of getting the members/public to express their opinions. Not everyone can make decisions but some can suggest ideas which is what this forum is for at the moment. Unless the council members were perfect for the job, had great communication with the public and did not let their own views come into it this probably wouldn't work. Along with the fact at the end of the day there needs to be a decision maker and people are not always going to agree if they make the decision that is best for Habbox as some people may see things differently. This would turn the focus of this forum and looking at the majorities view like the management does at the moment into look at the councils view which I'm sure wouldn't make everyone happy as I'm sure lots of people would disagree with whoever was picked no matter who they are.


Much as I agree with some of your points nobody is perfect. The safe way would be to say no and keep the status quo. The more adventurous way which could give some positive results is to give it a try and see what happens. it can always be given a trial . Members picked by management/applications would not really be seen as the way to go I don't think as people would always shout 'fix' or 'bum licker'. The fairest way would be to get members to nominate other members and give the reasons why and see how may people support them. A short list could then be drawn up. Also I think that canvassing/giving people furni/rep etc should be forbidden.

[Cixso]

You have just as much as a chance as anyone on this forum.

lets not get into discussing who would make a good member and who woudn't.

Everybody who isn't banned has the same amount of chance.

1/30000

[Mr.OSH]

Jay, if such a council way is good enough and works well enough in real life it can surely work on a forum were issues arn't as serrious

IN Theory council would be similar to Habbox expert on HabboxWorld, which you run, the only difference being that people are voted instead of you getting to choose. people will moan ether way with a council they may moan less, but there is no real wa of finding out without trying. if you are too lazy to actually attempt this Jay, thats fine... but the determination of myself Hollywood and others should be enough to get this started off working, and if it doesn't work out it can easily be dispanded.

Problem is councils don't alway work in real life as lots of the time not many people agree. You get people constantly criticising governments and councils alike and people who feel their ideas are being ignored. What I run on HabboxWorld is for ideas and a general department which is required as HabboxWorld is a growing forum. Habbox UK however is a massive forum and not everyone can have their ideas listen to. If a council was ran I can imagine it would make things better because at the end of the day someone has to make a decision. You guys moan that the management don't give you enough freedom to express your ideas or listen, well thats what you would feel if we had a council however it would be more aimed at the councillor as at the end of the day someone draws the line and makes the decision regardless of what people say because thats who the world functions. The only way you'd feel happy is if you were the councillor as that is how it would turn out to function. Maybe it would be better if there was a specific job to reply with management decisions to this forum and feelings, rather than a council just someone who is specifically hired to address comments and ideas in this forum as people complain it takes the management time to reply and they ignore ideas? I'm not sure really but personally I don't see the council as the way forward.

[Lycan]

Much as I agree with some of your points nobody is perfect. The safe way would be to say no and keep the status quo. The more adventurous way which could give some positive results is to give it a try and see what happens. it can always be given a trial . Members picked by management/applications would not really be seen as the way to go I don't think as people would always shout 'fix' or 'bum licker'. The fairest way would be to get members to nominate other members and give the reasons why and see how may people support them. A short list could then be drawn up. Also I thnk that canvassing/giving people furni/rep etc should be forbidden.

I laughed when i read through your post, but i completly agree with what you said (as i said something similar several pages back) , wonder if i can rep you.... *checks*





Problem is councils don't alway work in real life as lots of the time not many people agree. You get people constantly criticising governments and councils alike and people who feel their ideas are being ignored. What I run on HabboxWorld is for ideas and a general department which is required as HabboxWorld is a growing forum. Habbox UK however is a massive forum and not everyone can have their ideas listen to. If a council was ran I can imagine it would make things better because at the end of the day someone has to make a decision. You guys moan that the management don't give you enough freedom to express your ideas or listen, well thats what you would feel if we had a council however it would be more aimed at the councillor as at the end of the day someone draws the line and makes the decision regardless of what people say because thats who the world functions. The only way you'd feel happy is if you were the councillor as that is how it would turn out to function. Maybe it would be better if there was a specific job to reply with management decisions to this forum and feelings, rather than a council just someone who is specifically hired to address comments and ideas in this forum as people complain it takes the management time to reply and they ignore ideas? I'm not sure really but personally I don't see the council as the way forward.

Jay this would be getting members more involved and could stop the most complaining into 'being quiet' because they understand the process more and can easily get there voices heard, if you don't want members to have a say in the forum in such a way... then ok, your view has been noted

[Soil]

Catzsy, Garion and Smiddy would make great members.

Applications would be the best option i think. If 20 people notimate user1, and user1 doesnt wanna be in the council, then its pointless.

[today]

Much as I agree with some of your points nobody is perfect. The safe way would be to say no and keep the status quo. The more adventurous way which could give some positive results is to give it a try and see what happens. it can always be given a trial . Members picked by management/applications would not really be seen as the way to go I don't think as people would always shout 'fix' or 'bum licker'. The fairest way would be to get members to nominate other members and give the reasons why and see how may people support them. A short list could then be drawn up. Also I think that canvassing/giving people furni/rep etc should be forbidden.
It happens with moderators and any other staff, this is why MAD would pick 10 users and staf then the public would vote from them, 6 each or how ever many. Giving it a fair vote for MAD and the public.

[Catzsy]

I laughed when i read through your post, but i completly agree with what you said (as i said something similar several pages back) , wonder if i can rep you.... *checks*

Off-topic I know- Sorry I skipped a few pages. Sorry to duplicate :)

[Lycan]

Catzsy, Garion and Smiddy would make great members.

Applications would be the best option i think. If 20 people notimate user1, and user1 doesnt wanna be in the council, then its pointless.


then user2 would get in the council instead of user1 as user2 has 19 noinations ... it may take time and effort but it would get there, i'm personally up to putting alot of time into getting this going

[Catzsy]

It happens with moderators and any other staff, this is why MAD would pick 10 users and staf then the public would vote from them, 6 each or how ever many. Giving it a fair vote for MAD and the public.

LOL:D This is a members council - the Prime Minister doesn't chose the MPs - they are voted for. The cabinet (Staff) are chosen by him.

[Soil]

I swear my last 3 posts have just been ignored :[

[Cixso]

It happens with moderators and any other staff, this is why MAD would pick 10 users and staf then the public would vote from them, 6 each or how ever many. Giving it a fair vote for MAD and the public.

But then without a doubt, they are going to say:

X number of infractions yet people change so it's unfair in my opinion.

[today]

then user2 would get in the council instead of user1 as user2 has 19 noinations ... it may take time and effort but it would get there, i'm personally up to putting alot of time into getting this going

But it would be wasting time for MAD and other staff where they could be doing their job, making backlogs.

As i said applications then public voting. 10 users and staff each put in the poll then public votes from that, (:

Otherwise some 'fools' will get nonimated.

Edit:
Yes, we discussed infractions though it would depend on how many, and as its NOT a official staff group it wouldnt matter as much.

[Lycan]

I swear my last 3 posts have just been ignored :[

I replied to one of them :)



But it would be wasting time for MAD and other staff where they could be doing their job, making backlogs.

As i said applications then public voting. 10 users and staff each put in the poll then public votes from that, (:

Otherwise some 'fools' will get nonimated.

Edit:
Yes, we discussed infractions though it would depend on how many, and as its NOT a official staff group it wouldnt matter as much.




Thats why in another one of my posts i said about getting an independent group to going through the applications as it woudn't be a staff position but instead a members council placement

[Soil]

Apps, and then members vote on the top 15.
Then 6 get picked.

Easy :]

Forum Name:
Member Since:
Why should we pick you?:
Write a paragraph on a new idea:


Also its worth a try. If it doesnt work then o well.

[Cixso]

But it would be wasting time for MAD and other staff where they could be doing their job, making backlogs.

As i said applications then public voting. 10 users and staff each put in the poll then public votes from that, (:

Otherwise some 'fools' will get nonimated.

Edit:
Yes, we discussed infractions though it would depend on how many, and as its NOT a official staff group it wouldnt matter as much.


Some restrictions maybe?

Must have good communication (Not like: or8 m8 owwa u)
Certain Age maybe?
Spare time
Dedicated
Bright person
Team leading skills and team member skills.
Professional

[Lycan]

Some restrictions maybe?

Must have good communication (Not like: or8 m8 owwa u)
Certain Age maybe?
Spare time
Dedicated
Bright person
Team leading skills and team member skills.
Professional


Perhaps not age, but being able to be mature and able to construct arguments properly along with being able to give a certain amount of time a week would be needed.

[Soil]

Some restrictions maybe?

Must have good communication (Not like: or8 m8 owwa u)
Certain Age maybe?
Spare time
Dedicated
Bright person
Team leading skills and team member skills.
Professional

I dont think age should matter. Some 13 years old here would make a better council member than a 16 year old.
Also people could just lie about their age.

[Cixso]

I dont think age should matter. Some 13 years old here would make a better council member than a 16 year old.
Also people could just lie about their age.

Hmm true, but I'm looking into the "GCSE zones" as joshuar didn't have time for HXW because of his education.

[Mr.OSH]

In all honesty, whichever way they are chosen people will complain. If you are picked via management decision people will claim it was biased if you people are picked via nominations or votes it will turn into a popularity contest and a bit of both and I can imagine that people will still moan and complain. Things seem amazing from a distance but I can imagine if this got running people would feel they are not listened too, the only people who would feel considered and listened too would be the councillors themselves which would not really help. Even if the majority of people agree on something then it can't alway be implemented and with a council you don't always see what everyone wants whereas with a forum like this one everyone can post their personal views. If the councillors don't agree with a public idea it would end up being simply ignored which I feel would be worse for the members in a way. Overall sadly as much as I'd like this to work I just don't see it happening. :(

:'(Sorry for killing/trashing this idea, I love all your ideas and comments I just sadly do not see this working at all.

[Lycan]

In all honesty, whichever way they are chosen people will complain. If you are picked via management decision people will claim it was biased if you people are picked via nominations or votes it will turn into a popularity contest and a bit of both and I can imagine that people will still moan and complain. Things seem amazing from a distance but I can imagine if this got running people would feel they are not listened too, the only people who would feel considered and listened too would be the councillors themselves which would not really help. Even if the majority of people agree on something then it can't alway be implemented and with a council you don't always see what everyone wants whereas with a forum like this one everyone can post their personal views. If the councillors don't agree with a public idea it would end up being simply ignored which I feel would be worse for the members in a way. Overall sadly as much as I'd like this to work I just don't see it happening. :(


Which is why i said council members should serve a shorter term, 3-6 months of being on the council befor ebeing revoted, surely someone who did nothing wouldnt get the same vote.. and perhaps the popular people might be the ones we are after, ether way it has problems but atleast when members do it, members can see that one of them is up there rather then someone who was chosen by mad for a fixen op.

[Cixso]

In all honesty, whichever way they are chosen people will complain. If you are picked via management decision people will claim it was biased if you people are picked via nominations or votes it will turn into a popularity contest and a bit of both and I can imagine that people will still moan and complain. Things seem amazing from a distance but I can imagine if this got running people would feel they are not listened too, the only people who would feel considered and listened too would be the councillors themselves which would not really help. Even if the majority of people agree on something then it can't alway be implemented and with a council you don't always see what everyone wants whereas with a forum like this one everyone can post their personal views. If the councillors don't agree with a public idea it would end up being simply ignored which I feel would be worse for the members in a way. Overall sadly as much as I'd like this to work I just don't see it happening. :(

But people aren't really listened too now...

I think it would work, yes, they will be arguments, disagreements, but that is maybe why the councilors can do public polls to see what the members want, and work upon it.

[Catzsy]

But it would be wasting time for MAD and other staff where they could be doing their job, making backlogs.

As i said applications then public voting. 10 users and staff each put in the poll then public votes from that, (:

Otherwise some 'fools' will get nonimated.

Edit:
Yes, we discussed infractions though it would depend on how many, and as its NOT a official staff group it wouldnt matter as much.


1. Who is we? in 'we discussed infractions'.

2. The whole validity of representation of the members would be discredited
if the Management chose a shortlist. Why bother? Why not just got to public nomination - the membership have brains. They will treat the matter seriously.

[Mr.OSH]

Which is why i said council members should serve a shorter term, 3-6 months of being on the council befor ebeing revoted, surely someone who did nothing wouldnt get the same vote.. and perhaps the popular people might be the ones we are after, ether way it has problems but atleast when members do it, members can see that one of them is up there rather then someone who was chosen by mad for a fixen op.

Still within these councillors term you still have the fact that that decisions become responsibility of to councillors like the management have to deal with decision making at the moment, therefore realistically not everyone will be happy, it will be just the same as it is now as the councillors would not be representing anyone they would be simply be making decisions and putting forward ideas that they agreed on, they would be representing everyones ideas because that doesn't work, thats why people expressing their ideas in a forum is better like it is ran now. Overall these councillors would be complained about and people would claim that their ideas are being ignored still etc. Unfortunately in the real world this is the same, no one agreed with America going to Iraq and neither do I but the president gets the final say and I'm sure his cabinet didn't take individual comments and express them even if they didn't agree with them. Cabinet members make their own personally decisions and express their opinion which everyone at Habbox would complain about if that happened in a council.


But people aren't really listened too now...

I think it would work, yes, they will be arguments, disagreements, but that is maybe why the councilors can do public polls to see what the members want, and work upon it.

People are listened too, just someone has to have the final say because that is the only way things can be successful by having decision makers who decide despite what people say although they obviously try to take comments and ideas into account with their decisions. The management do listen to idea, you just don't think they do because not everything is accepted as they are the management at the end of the day and you are not, I know we'd all love to have our way but we just can't. You just have to remember it's a tough job making those decisions.

[Lycan]

Still within these councillors term you still have the fact that that decisions become responsibility of to councillors like the management have to deal with decision making at the moment, therefore realistically not everyone will be happy, it will be just the same as it is now as the councillors would not be representing anyone they would be simply be making decisions and putting forward ideas that they agreed on, they would be representing everyones ideas because that doesn't work, thats why people expressing their ideas in a forum is better like it is ran now. Overall these councillors would be complained about and people would claim that their ideas are being ignored still etc. Unfortunately in the real world this is the same, no one agreed with America going to Iraq and neither do I but the president gets the final say and I'm sure his cabinet didn't take individual comments and express them even if they didn't agree with them. Cabinet members make their own personally decisions and express their opinion which everyone at Habbox would complain about if that happened in a council.

They would be complained about yes, i can see you being one of the people complaining.

Lets break this down , do you want this forum to be communist style, where its just people in control yelling at the below and are chosen, or democratic where peoples views are voted to be heard...

This is just a forum jay, this is a good idea and it appears you just think people on this forum don't care about each others. people do understand that the popular people arn't the best for the job, atleast give them some kind of credit Jay.

If they complain then it fails, but that shoudn't be a reason not to try in the first place.


The writing i highlighted in bold doesn't make any sense.

[Earthquake]

They would be complained about yes, i can see you being one of the people complaining.

Lets break this down , do you want this forum to be communist style, where its just people in control yelling at the below and are chosen, or democratic where peoples views are voted to be heard...

This is just a forum jay, this is a good idea and it appears you just think people on this forum don't care about each others. people do understand that the popular people arn't the best for the job, atleast give them some kind of credit Jay.

If they complain then it fails, but that shoudn't be a reason not to try in the first place.


The writing i highlighted in bold doesn't make any sense.
Can you make it any smaller.

[Cixso]

Can you make it any smaller.

He is only doing it for 1 purpose :P

[Mr.OSH]

They would be complained about yes, i can see you being one of the people complaining.

Lets break this down , do you want this forum to be communist style, where its just people in control yelling at the below and are chosen, or democratic where peoples views are voted to be heard...

This is just a forum jay, this is a good idea and it appears you just think people on this forum don't care about each others. people do understand that the popular people arn't the best for the job, atleast give them some kind of credit Jay.

If they complain then it fails, but that shoudn't be a reason not to try in the first place.


The writing i highlighted in bold doesn't make any sense.

:) I respect peoples values and I like to think I rarely complain about people's decisions. I respect they are the ones who make them and therefore I have no problem with that. All I am doing here is expressing my opinion that this will not work.

Yes, a democratic style forum seems much better but I'll think you'll find democracy in the real world doesn't alway allow equal opportunities and fairness. Just look at it democracy is supposed to mean everyone is treat equally but there are people who live on the streets and people who own mansions even if they both worked really hard at life they may not always achieve equally as much as we would like it to be fair it just isn't. Making the forum ran by members I feel would collapse it, accepting their ideas is fine and looking into them is fine and that's what this forum is for but I do feel that a council of members would not help as people would simply complain about who is the councillors and personal opinions would always be expressed and it would be harder to see what the majority want. I do realise that lots of members on this forum as intelligent and would pick the correct people but some of them wouldn't, not all of them are as mature and as committed to Habbox as you guys? It's the same in the real world, people will not agree no matter what people decide.

You cannot make everyone happy as much as we'd like too. :( Maybe it's a good idea to give it a whirl and maybe it will work really well but personally from my opinion at this time I can't see it being a success.

[Lycan]

:) I respect peoples values and I like to think I rarely complain about people's decisions. I respect they are the ones who make them and therefore I have no problem with that. All I am doing here is expressing my opinion that this will not work.

Yes, a democratic style forum seems much better but I'll think you'll find democracy in the real world doesn't alway allow equal opportunities and fairness. Just look at it democracy is supposed to mean everyone is treat equally but there are people who live on the streets and people who own mansions even if they both worked really hard at life they may not always achieve equally as much as we would like it to be fair it just isn't. Making the forum ran by members I feel would collapse it, accepting their ideas is fine and looking into them is fine and that's what this forum is for but I do feel that a council of members would not help as people would simply complain about who is the councillors and personal opinions would always be expressed and it would be harder to see what the majority want. I do realise that lots of members on this forum as intelligent and would pick the correct people but some of them wouldn't, not all of them are as mature and as committed to Habbox as you guys? It's the same in the real world, people will not agree no matter what people decide.

You cannot make everyone happy as much as we'd like too. :( Maybe it's a good idea to give it a whirl and maybe it will work really well but personally from my opinion at this time I can't see it being a success.


Whatever happens there will be moaning, but if the right people are chosen, which there is a big chance there will be a massive boost for several months of acceptance and understanding in the forum, the council could acually make complaints go down . but they could make them go up, isn't it worth trying just to improve the view of people just that little bit

[Mr.OSH]

Whatever happens there will be moaning, but if the right people are chosen, which there is a big chance there will be a massive boost for several months of acceptance and understanding in the forum, the council could acually make complaints go down . but they could make them go up, isn't it worth trying just to improve the view of people just that little bit

I suppose it will make things either much better or much worse in terms of members feeling as if they are listened too and taken seriously. Maybe it's worth a try but thats up to sierk and MAD to decide if its worth that gamble. :)

[Lycan]

I suppose it will make things either much better or much worse in terms of members feeling as if they are listened too and taken seriously. Maybe it's worth a try but thats up to sierk and MAD to decide if its worth that gamble. :)


Yup, hopefully they will put the idea forward to getting it sorted, although its nice to have a jay supporting the idea

[Soil]

This forum is different to the real world (goverment and politics), but similar in many ways.

I think once a council member puts forward a idea in details, and when its fully discussed and a decision is made, it should be moved to a public forum so the public can see the council members are doing something.

The thing Forum Council will do is hopefully reduce the number of complaints. I mean, they will make it easier for people to have their ideas put forward (obviously some might be missed, but more and more ideas will be put forward which is obviously good).

Obviously not everyone will be happy with the council members, but thats life. If Forum Council doesnt work then obviously it can just simply be scrapped.

[Mr.OSH]

Yup, hopefully they will put the idea forward to getting it sorted, although its nice to have a jay supporting the idea

I would love to see it work and I do support it, I was just showing my own opinion about how I feel it would turn out. I'm sorry if I seemed like a grumpy sod, I hate people to see me as that. I do respect all of your posts and views and every post that has been made has had the up most maturity and a fair argument which has been taken with respect and you all appear to have thought through how you feel about this. This is the way you get listened too by posting in the way you guys have with good replies and explanations of how you feel. :D I'm defiantly very grateful to the people who posted their opinions. <3

[today]

- Not getting picked / Mad's favs being picked.
I guess, a application form would be released to staff and users with roughly 5-6 questions depending from how to inprove, why you should be part of the council and how active you'll be and such, how long you've been on the forum, how often you post new idea's and all, this would stop some of the idiots applying and giving the actual intrested users a chance of getting a place o nthe council. Though detailed answers would be needed of course!

- Might not listen even in council
The memebrs in the council, including mad, must discuss the idea and say there's 6 members at least four must agree to the idea otherwise its not going to happen, if that makes sense, most of the members of the council must agree to the idea first and good and bad points must be spoke about and how to remove more bad points to make it fair for all the forum users, along with MAD must discuss the idea with the members so its fair. Along with if a idea has the support from the council it must be looked into UNLESS its a plugin, addon which may make it worse unless its officialy supported by vBulletin (Such as the blog system)

- Council gets ignored / scrapped
All users of the council must stay active, including MAD and if any unactive members they'll get voted out and a new member will take place by either the application system again or a vote on who should join, and as said in the point above the council must get spoke to and the support from MAD must be put into effect.


Must have posted at least 'x' threads suggesting idea's (Simple search will result that, in the feedback forum)
Must have been a member 'x' months, weeks (To show they are active and do enjoy Habbox)
Must have less then 'x' infractions
Friendly attutide
Communication Skills
Able to come online 'x' times a week to discuss ideas.
Able to write long essays (to backup your points)
Why you'll like to be part of the team.
Able to come up with other ideas
Able to read long threads and see both sides of a idea.This is a guideline of which a application forum could be based upon, which would remove anyone who was a fool or idiot who tried to apply.

I'm sure myself and lycan along with other memebrs including Catszy can come up with other vaild points to support the idea, and i've seen what you've said to craig on msn and i admit it would be nice but i would rather have a council inplace which new idea's would actually get fully looked into instead of dieing and nothing happens.

This is what i had came up with, (: (NOTE: i do not fully suggest that application form will be final one if the idea happened along with i did not come up with all the comments and idea's thanks to Catszy, Lycan, Pycan, along with other members helping)

That was what got sent to MAD. (:


I hope this does work at the end of the day i and think two months trial should happen (: Further details could change after that or half way through as it doesnt hurt to try!

[Catzsy]

I would love to see it work and I do support it, I was just showing my own opinion about how I feel it would turn out. I'm sorry if I seemed like a grumpy sod, I hate people to see me as that. I do respect all of your posts and views and every post that has been made has had the up most maturity and a fair argument which has been taken with respect and you all appear to have thought through how you feel about this. This is the way you get listened too by posting in the way you guys have with good replies and explanations of how you feel. :D I'm defiantly very grateful to the people who posted their opinions. <3

Well Jay you really have to be commended for all your time and effort into getting involved in these threads and you hold valid opinions. Having been both side of the fence on here and running my own little forum I can see how easy it is to get isolated in the whole staff system and lose touch with the needs of the members. Fear of new things and fear of failure stops a lot of good things happening. :)

[Mr.OSH]

Well Jay you really have to be commended for all your time and effort into getting involved in these threads and you hold valid opinions. Having been both side of the fence on here and running my own little forum I can see how easy it is to get isolated in the whole staff system and lose touch with the needs of the members. Fear of new things and fear of failure stops a lot of good things happening. :)

:D Oh I do love you sometimes Rosie <3!

Yes, I also hope we can see this come along and expand at least that way we can see if it work or not rather than dismissing the idea, I'm sure that MAD and sierk will take this into serious consideration.

[today]

After reading what mister another member said (sorry forgot who) The council would also read complaints and see how they could be removed such as this example:

User complained that the reputation system is a mess and needs sorted, roughly 20 pages was created in the thread with people moaning.
The council would go through these pages, pick the key points out and discuss how the reputation system could change, first of all just bullet points such as,

Remove -rep
Remove reputation system
Remove buying repThen each bullet point would be discussed (not all at once or it could get confusing) this would then hopefully create some essays by users for which the Forum MGMT could then discuss between them and either agree or disagree and scrap that idea.

[Catzsy]

I hope this does work at the end of the day i and think two months trial should happen (: Further details could change after that or half way through as it doesnt hurt to try!

Well I think a criteria of entitlement to be considered should be stated but as I say nominations from other members would be the best way forward. Once the shortlist is decided then the proposed council members could give their reason why they should be voted in - If anybody is not then taking it seriously they could be disqualified.

[today]

Well I think a criteria of entitlement to be considered should be stated but as I say nominations from other members would be the best way forward. Once the shortlist is decided then the proposed council members could give their reason why they should be voted in - If anybody is not then taking it seriously they could be disqualified.

Yes, as in my other post a sample criteria was posted, which would be a very basic at least idea of what could be needed before nominations.

Though i agree with your post about the last comment. :) +rep.

[Mr.OSH]

How about having a section of people chosen by the management who seem like they could do a good job and have good reasons to be chosen and then a final decision of the who the best few would be decided by the public. Maybe limit voting to people who have been with the forum for a few months to make sure no one creates multiple account or tries to rig the election? That way only people the public respect are voted in but at the same time the management can make a good decision on who is best for the job? I'm not sure if that would be a good way of choosing who could take these positions.

[today]

How about having a section of people chosen by the management who seem like they could do a good job and have good reasons to be chosen and then a final decision of the who the best few would be decided by the public. Maybe limit voting to people who have been with the forum for a few months to make sure no one creates multiple account or tries to rig the election? That way only people the public respect are voted in but at the same time the management can make a good decision on who is best for the job? I'm not sure if that would be a good way of choosing who could take these positions.
I see, that seems a great idea and would actually be fair. (: Though wouldnt that need a usergroup promotion and a new forum, set to permissions only that usergroup and managment can see for them to vote? Otherwise anyone could vote and see the thread.

But i do like that idea :P Well worth a try.

[Catzsy]

How about having a section of people chosen by the management who seem like they could do a good job and have good reasons to be chosen and then a final decision of the who the best few would be decided by the public. Maybe limit voting to people who have been with the forum for a few months to make sure no one creates multiple account or tries to rig the election? That way only people the public respect are voted in but at the same time the management can make a good decision on who is best for the job? I'm not sure if that would be a good way of choosing who could take these positions.

Why chosen by the management? There is nothing stopping them nominating along with the members is there? Why be wary of an open system on the forum?

[today]

Why chosen by the management? There is nothing stopping them nominating along with the members is there? Why be wary of an open system on the forum?
I've always said let managment choose then public voting, as it stops anyone from picking others, its a better way to do it and if managment choose 'bad ones' then they simply wont get voted for. :)

[Mr.OSH]

Why chosen by the management? There is nothing stopping them nominating along with the members is there? Why be wary of an open system on the forum?

I can see what you are saying I just think that if the management chose some people to start with it would prevent anyone who couldn't do the job or would be a problem to the management from being voted into the scheme however if everyone voted under one system it would be more fair, I can see what you are saying. :)

[Catzsy]

I can see what you are saying I just think that if the management chose some people to start with it would prevent anyone who couldn't do the job or would be a problem to the management from being voted into the scheme however if everyone voted under one system it would be more fair, I can see what you are saying. :)

Then I don't think it is even worth considering if it was just management - they could always have a veto if there was a real problem anyway.

[today]

Then I don't think it is even worth considering if it was just management - they could always have a veto if there was a real problem anyway.
I guess its down to MAD / Sierk to pick a way to select council members.

[Catzsy]

I guess its down to MAD / Sierk to pick a way to select council members.

Absolutely and maybe Joshuar and Nvrspk4[H] would get a say too:)

[today]

I think Nvrspk4 should as he seems more prt of Habbox, where as Joshuar (no offence) is more Habbox Int, so he deals with other issues?

Though both could be given the chance.

[Mr.OSH]

Absolutely and maybe Joshuar and Nvrspk4[H] would get a say too:)

Well we will see but I have a feeling in order to keep things balanced if this was to go ahead then there probably would be an element of selection from the management even if the members got to vote people in to some extent but that's just my opinion. :)

[today]

Well we will see but I have a feeling in order to keep things balanced if this was to go ahead then there probably would be an element of selection from the management even if the members got to vote people in to some extent but that's just my opinion. :)

Yeah, so you mean MGMT pick 10 users and 10 staff, then the public would vote from them users?

[Mr.OSH]

Yeah, so you mean MGMT pick 10 users and 10 staff, then the public would vote from them users?



Something along the lines of that idea, yes. :) Anyway first you'll have to see what the management make of this, I would like to see this succeed but only time will tell. I suppose as I said earlier it's worth a try and if it doesn't work then we can't say it wasn't attempted.

[today]

Something along the lines of that idea, yes. :) Anyway first you'll have to see what the management make of this, I would like to see this succeed but only time will tell. I suppose as I said earlier it's worth a try and if it doesn't work then we can't say it wasn't attempted.
Indeed as discussed with MAD in pm's he said he will discuss it with Sierk. Untill then we can but wait. (:

Though thanks for giving your input ;]

[Mr.OSH]

Indeed as discussed with MAD in pm's he said he will discuss it with Sierk. Untill then we can but wait. (:

Though thanks for giving your input ;]



:) Yeah, I've already spoke to MAD about my feelings regarding this so I'm sure he will get back to you once him and sierk have considered the members feelings and ideas. I'm just happy that instead of complaining you guys are thinking up ways to solve these problem and provide everyone with a equal chances to state their views. Just remember that your views are important and listened too, I've spend half my night looking over this thread and your ideas and I'd like to say Thank you, I will remember that I owe you guys rep, I'll write it down somewhere. :P Well done and thank you.

[Catzsy]

I think Nvrspk4 should as he seems more prt of Habbox, where as Joshuar (no offence) is more Habbox Int, so he deals with other issues?

Though both could be given the chance.

Josh is an admin here too now - has been for a while. :)

[Soil]

It would be great to see this idea being implemented. Would help the forum a lot.

[Sammeth.]

It would be great to see this idea being implemented. Would help the forum a lot.
I agree with that a lot. It will give a chance for members to have an input on what they are going to be using.

[cunning]

I say a public poll, on the x chosen people, and the top x winners get the council job.

But how can we get them x people chosen?

(I haven't read the full 24 pages and don't intend too - so sorry if this has been discussed)

I think it would right for the person who manages the forum to choose, because it might be the wrong type of person to pick to the job. Some of the mods are not really doing their jobs right and it's like they need a scapegoat to make it seem like they're doing their job.
I also agree there needs to be more moderators.

[Cixso]

I think it would right for the person who manages the forum to choose, because it might be the wrong type of person to pick to the job. Some of the mods are not really doing their jobs right and it's like they need a scapegoat to make it seem like they're doing their job.
I also agree there needs to be more moderators.

Hmm, but then the forum manager(s) could just pick good friends?

Or pick people who have never caused them trouble i.e complaining against them.

[the wombats]

Hmm, but then the forum manager(s) could just pick good friends?

Or pick people who have never caused them trouble i.e complaining against them.

that's probably what would happen anyways, it's more or less how becoming a mod also worked. as i said before, hire people with total different views that way it can be discussed properly - the good points, the bad points ect.

[Catzsy]

Hmm, but then the forum manager(s) could just pick good friends?

Or pick people who have never caused them trouble i.e complaining against them.

Well I am not sure they would pick good friends but I am sure that they would be more attracted to similar view points and then there would be no diversity of opinion at all. Controversy in a measured way can bring very good results :)

[Lycan]

Is it weird that i've been in this thread for all of the 32 pages... there will be problems but they can be softened out as the idea progresses... and when its introduced.. its bound to hit problems, but i'm sure we can resolve them

[cunning]

Hmm, but then the forum manager(s) could just pick good friends?

Or pick people who have never caused them trouble i.e complaining against them.
Oh, never really thought about that, I guess your way would be better...

[today]

Is it weird that i've been in this thread for all of the 32 pages... there will be problems but they can be softened out as the idea progresses... and when its introduced.. its bound to hit problems, but i'm sure we can resolve them

Well said :]

There will be problems but it needs to be discussed first with Sierk before we even think of other ideas =p

[Lycan]

Well said :]

There will be problems but it needs to be discussed first with Sierk before we even think of other ideas =p


lol, true, i actually got -repped by my last post with the comment 'learn to type' funny thing that it was just spelling being randomly off, not unable to type, because typing could be any random selection of letters, numbers and symbols. so my reply to that sad sad user is, Learn how to use that brain of yours ;)

[Cixso]

lol, true, i actually got -repped by my last post with the comment 'learn to type' funny thing that it was just spelling being randomly off, not unable to type, because typing could be any random selection of letters, numbers and symbols. so my reply to that sad sad user is, Learn how to use that brain of yours ;)

Yeah, that always happeneds. When users know they are wrong they usually -rep or look for an old post of yours.

[Spherical]

It's quite sad really, can't hack it I guess.

[nvrspk4]

Hey,

Apologies for this thread going so long without a management reply, I was away Saturday and spent most of Sunday night replying to my 73 PMs and sorting out VIP problems :P I also apologize, because I've done a lot of work today, I took the liberty of reading to about page 15 and then reading about 4 pages between 15 and 30. So I am going to outline things that you may have suggested, I am not aiming to steal your idea, I simply was for once lazy and don't have the time to read 17 pages of the same stuff.

One thing I will say, please, don't turn this into fights as I saw midway through. There is a good point in this thread, and I'd be really dissapointed if we had to shut one of the few civil discussions because some people decided that they just had to have a catfight in this thread. Accept that others may not share your views, and that doesn't mean they or you are wrong, it just means that you have different opinions, which is fine. Onto the replies.


Has anyone ever suggested a Forum Council (sorry, this is related to a post earlier in the thread so it isnt too off topic :D). People who meet a few times a month and suggest way on how to improve the forum, build ideas, based on what the Habbox Public want. Cus as someone said earlier, Im not sure MAD is entirely in touch with what his audience wants, and it may be better for people who are well known on the forum, and know what they want to be part of helping.

But back to the not enough/no experienced moderators...I really havent noticed a problem. But then again I cant really be one to make an opinion on the matter as I spend a lot of my time in the staff forums sorting out my department :P But hey, I thought the first rule of a company/buisiness/service was "The customer is always right".

Yes actually, we have tried to get this running, if Smiddums is somewhere he was in charge of starting up a Council, as delegated by sierk, but he resigned, and the entire thing died.


So Whos up for Communism? ,


http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=400843

... is this how Habbox Moderators deal with a real problem like E-Bullying.... thats just appalling

There is a specific place for those kinds of posts, and perhaps the moderator PMd the member about it. I agree that it probably wasn't the best way to go about it if he didn't PM him, but people will make mistakes. I'd appreciate it if things singling out specific moderators were PMd to me or MAD though, we will deal with them, its just that publically putting people on the spot usually leads to them being defensive, which makes the environment rather tense, thus slowing down discussion.


Yea, making Discuss Anything a read only forum is a great idea.

Oh sorry -cries- :rolleyes:

I wonder how long it takes to get that post edited (dont report it :P)

T minus 8 minutes. Not bad eh?


yoyo waa gwaninnn :p

Lol the forum is fine, it just looks like some members need bringing down a level!
It seems like the fun-ness and messing round has dissapeard and its all done by the book ( I know i aint making sense but you should be able to get it)

That is one of the things I've noticed, and commented on several times. I know I sound like a right prat going on about how things were in the old days, but I feel that its a sort of cycle, the members expect the Staff to be perfect, so because of that staff don't have room for interpretation, or personal flair, personal harshness or leniency, because if they don't do everything exactly by the book, they often get their very own thread in this very forum. Then, because of that, things are often harder for us to deal with on a person-by-person basis, and people get upset about it, because their situation was extenuating, but the mod dealt with it by the book. Its really a neverending cycle that makes everyone unhappy, but really until mods are no longer held up to a magnifying glass, nothing can really change.

I think the big moment of change where members really started criticizing mods is when infractions came in. The simple reason was, members got huge amounts of usernotes, more than the current infractions, and more unfair even. However the member couldn't see the usernotes, therefore they didn't complain. Then when they were banned, when it was said, "Oh you had 15 usernotes" there wasn't much dissent. As soon as members got to see every time they were infracted, they decided to kick up a fuss (well, I can't generalize and say all members, as some are mature about it) but nobody can seem to accept that moderators don't have a driving need to issue as many infractions and get as many people banned as they can. They're just trying to do their jobs.



As far as the council idea, I think its terrific. Here's my ideas about it, and I apologize once again if I mention something someone else has suggested, its simply because I sorta skipped half the thread.


Habbox Council is comprised of 21 members and an executive board of 5.

Executive Board

Management - 2
Staff - 1
Members - 1
VIPs - 1

General Council

Management - 2 + 1 department manager
Staff - 6
Members - 6
VIPs - 6


Terms - Each member of the VIP and Member council are elected for two month "terms". After that, there is another election, where members may run again, or choose to let someone else. Members who have server 3 consecutive terms must sit out at least one term before trying to run again, to get fresh ideas in.


Nominations - For members, nominations would be made in a closed forums where only admins could see the threads. The members with the top 20 votes would be looked through, and those who did not fit the criteria (see next section) would be removed. The top 5 of the remaining members would move on to general elections. Of the top 30 (eligible) members, management would also select 5 candidates. This way, there is an even match.

Requirements - Candidates for Habbox Council must

Have less than 6 active infraction points.
Have no more than 2 bans (temporary).
Must have no less than 150 posts.
Must have been a member for at least 4 months (on the account they are running.)
Must be active and willing to listen to ideas


"Elections" - The 10 candidates, selected by admins and members, would be put to a public vote, open for 7 days. The top 6 members would move on to become the Member Council Reps for those two months.

VIPs - VIPs can nominate and vote in the normal elections, but they may also vote for and nominate VIP reps in a special VIP forum, and these VIP reps will serve as voicing the concerns of VIPs which I believe are underrepresented on the forums.

Staff - Staff will function sort of differently, the staff will nominate one staff member (other than the manager) for that term, and the manager may opt to choose one member on top of that (not required). Then all managers will submit names to (A)GMs, who will then post a poll, allowing staff members to elect their 6 representatives. The (A)GMs will also post a poll with all the managers, and people will select who will accompany the two members of management to make up the management portion of the council. The same rules with terms apply to Staff and VIPs.


Functions of the Council - To ensure that this doesn't become an "abuse of power" kind of thing, I don't believe that the council should be given the power to actually execute actions, such as to hire or fire people, or institute changes of their own accord. Otherwise people would run for the simple reason of gaining power, as opposed to representing members. The Council, therefore, would gather ideas and propose new ones, and discuss them in a closed forum, as well as taking in ideas from the Feedback Forum. Votes might be taken, however management will probably take this into account, but reserves the right to deny changes based on workability, difficulty to execute, danger to the safety of the board, limited resources, etc. etc.

"Meetings" - There would probably be a Council Drop-In sort of thing with open stickies and also council members to take ideas, and sort of be a chill-out place. Also Council members could explain what they've been discussing, in addition to a perhaps biweekly summary posted on the forums, and perhaps a monthly Meet the Council type of thing? Each would have a little part in the thread, and in the Meet the Council thing on Habbo. However the main meeting place for the council itself would be the closed forums.

Administration and Impeachment - Any council member who is banned permanantly, or for serious offences, will be removed from the council immediately, and replaced by the next runner up. Habbox Management will reserve the right to decide what serious offenses are, but if you get banned you really shouldn't be on Council, because that's just being irresponsible and unfair to your fellow members. For Staff, when they are fired they will be "impeached" from their position as the Staff Rep, and if they resign from all jobs it will also be considered a resignation from the Council. The next Runner Up will take their place. (This is why there will be more candidates for staff, we're more likely to lose someone to a resignation or a firing than to a banning.)


That's just the basic layout, but what do you guys think? I'm open to suggestions, additions, or modifications.

nvr

[Mr.OSH]

I have to say after replying to most of the recent pages your summary of the layout for a council idea is very good, I really like it. If we could construct this and keep it controlled and well thought out I can imagine there would be a good chance we could see this succeeding. :) Thank you for that nvrspk4.

[Soil]

nvrspeek4, you summed it up very nicely.
Only problem about VIP Council Members - what if their VIP runs out like 10 days after they become a member ;) or before their term ends?

I think that 4 normal members should be picked through the nominations, and the other two should be picked by management.

Also, how does a normal member get into the "Executive Board"?

[Lycan]

Requirements - Candidates for Habbox Council must

* Have less than 6 active infraction points.
* Have no more than 2 bans (temporary).
* Must have no less than 150 posts.
* Must have been a member for at least 4 months (on the account they are running.)
* Must be active and willing to listen to ideas




Surely that infraction level is too high.... i call 6 points pretty high personally, and to get an infraction you break a rule more then once (normally get warned th first time) ... Halfing that to 3 might be a more realistic way.

Again... Surely 1 ban or no bans rather then someone who has broke serrious rules in the past.

The rest are fine, but i guess in the end its the members vote that would get the in anyway in your version of the council.

[Wizzdom]

Tad late on a reply but from what i have seen in the Games section, everything is almost sorted out within minutes by a Games Moderator, if not a Super mod.

The problem is with a few new moderators who are not experienced will struggle at first because from what i have seen in the games forum, the Super Mods work their behinds off and take every single report. I believe some Moderators rely on the reports to come in rather than looking around the forum for the rule breakings.

Like mentioned earlier, alot of the rules have changed and some rules like the pointless posting, are now basically ignored. An edit would be the best action.

I have only read up to page 15 and then it kind of got boring. Other than that, excellent discussion i think.

The council sounds a great idea but who would organise it :D

[Nixt]

The council idea is a brilliant one, and nvr has constructed a perfect organisation I think x). I personally would like to get involved with that, and I think I definitely would (as would many others) if something did get set up.

[Neversoft]

Theres enough mods, just sack most of them and hire better ones. My posts got edited twice for saying my opinion yesterday. Another mod removed the word idiot from my post and put removed. Yeah, like thats offensive... Loads of other mods have edited my posts for stupid reasons just to get mod logs.

I won't say names but I've gone through the list of moderators and think that 9/20 of them deserve to be a moderator. The others are lazy and do nothing.

As for super moderators 2/4 of them are alright. I haven't even seen Elkaa in weeks.


Hmm, but then the forum manager(s) could just pick good friends?

Or pick people who have never caused them trouble i.e complaining against them.

Lol, thats what they've been doing for a long time.

[Catzsy]

[As far as the council idea, I think its terrific. Here's my ideas about it, and I apologize once again if I mention something someone else has suggested, its simply because I sorta skipped half the thread.


Habbox Council is comprised of 21 members and an executive board of 5.

Executive Board

Management - 2
Staff - 1
Members - 1
VIPs - 1

General Council

Management - 2 + 1 department manager
Staff - 6
Members - 6
VIPs - 6


Terms - Each member of the VIP and Member council are elected for two month "terms". After that, there is another election, where members may run again, or choose to let someone else. Members who have server 3 consecutive terms must sit out at least one term before trying to run again, to get fresh ideas in.


Nominations - For members, nominations would be made in a closed forums where only admins could see the threads. The members with the top 20 votes would be looked through, and those who did not fit the criteria (see next section) would be removed. The top 5 of the remaining members would move on to general elections. Of the top 30 (eligible) members, management would also select 5 candidates. This way, there is an even match.

Requirements - Candidates for Habbox Council must

Have less than 6 active infraction points.
Have no more than 2 bans (temporary).
Must have no less than 150 posts.
Must have been a member for at least 4 months (on the account they are running.)
Must be active and willing to listen to ideas


"Elections" - The 10 candidates, selected by admins and members, would be put to a public vote, open for 7 days. The top 6 members would move on to become the Member Council Reps for those two months.

VIPs - VIPs can nominate and vote in the normal elections, but they may also vote for and nominate VIP reps in a special VIP forum, and these VIP reps will serve as voicing the concerns of VIPs which I believe are underrepresented on the forums.

Staff - Staff will function sort of differently, the staff will nominate one staff member (other than the manager) for that term, and the manager may opt to choose one member on top of that (not required). Then all managers will submit names to (A)GMs, who will then post a poll, allowing staff members to elect their 6 representatives. The (A)GMs will also post a poll with all the managers, and people will select who will accompany the two members of management to make up the management portion of the council. The same rules with terms apply to Staff and VIPs.


Functions of the Council - To ensure that this doesn't become an "abuse of power" kind of thing, I don't believe that the council should be given the power to actually execute actions, such as to hire or fire people, or institute changes of their own accord. Otherwise people would run for the simple reason of gaining power, as opposed to representing members. The Council, therefore, would gather ideas and propose new ones, and discuss them in a closed forum, as well as taking in ideas from the Feedback Forum. Votes might be taken, however management will probably take this into account, but reserves the right to deny changes based on workability, difficulty to execute, danger to the safety of the board, limited resources, etc. etc.

"Meetings" - There would probably be a Council Drop-In sort of thing with open stickies and also council members to take ideas, and sort of be a chill-out place. Also Council members could explain what they've been discussing, in addition to a perhaps biweekly summary posted on the forums, and perhaps a monthly Meet the Council type of thing? Each would have a little part in the thread, and in the Meet the Council thing on Habbo. However the main meeting place for the council itself would be the closed forums.

Administration and Impeachment - Any council member who is banned permanantly, or for serious offences, will be removed from the council immediately, and replaced by the next runner up. Habbox Management will reserve the right to decide what serious offenses are, but if you get banned you really shouldn't be on Council, because that's just being irresponsible and unfair to your fellow members. For Staff, when they are fired they will be "impeached" from their position as the Staff Rep, and if they resign from all jobs it will also be considered a resignation from the Council. The next Runner Up will take their place. (This is why there will be more candidates for staff, we're more likely to lose someone to a resignation or a firing than to a banning.)


That's just the basic layout, but what do you guys think? I'm open to suggestions, additions, or modifications.

nvr[/QUOTE]
I am not sure about nomination in a closed forum - normally nominations are public and I can't really see any really good reason for doing this but there might be one of course unless you feel it may cause arguements.

I also really think the top 20 candidates who fit the criteria should make an address to the Forum as to why they would like to sit on the council. I see that rightly you are concerned that some members could see it as a 'power trip'. This would help members and staff alike to understand the motives of the person.

I am not sure about the members and VIPs being separated much as I understand the motives. It could be confusing having to vote in 2 different places and cause complications if Vips ran out of their subscription. If you were going to do this then their is an arguement for separating the rest i.e. bronze, silver, gold and Platinum. Keep it simple I say. Staff and Members whatever 'rank' they are . In any event I am sure members will vote for the people not what rank they are.

2 months is really too short I think and if the whole board retires at the end there will be no continuity of expertise.. I would suggest that the say top people voted in each section should be voted on for longer so changeover would be more informed and better managed.


What would the function of the Executive Board be?

The rest seems very well planned and it is obvious a lot if effort has gone into it :)

[Earthquake]

I very doubt habbox would use that system but +rep thats incredible

[today]

I wouldnt think that idea is actually effective.

[Nixt]

I wouldnt think that idea is actually effective.

Why do you think that? I think as long as the people who are in the council actively want to try and make it work then it will work.

[Soil]

I wouldnt think that idea is actually effective.

which idea ...

[today]

Having VIP's / normal users.

They should just be picked not have just VIP's as it would create more fuss then needed (Such as VIP runs out, ect)

[Lycan]

Having VIP's / normal users.

They should just be picked not have just VIP's as it would create more fuss then needed (Such as VIP runs out, ect)

I Agree, should be members and staff , not members, vip and staff. should be an equal vote on who the person is rather then if they have vip they should have bigger chance on getting in (assuming less people vip then don't have vip.. )

[Spherical]

It's to much hassle for when VIP runs out =[
But a great idea all the same.

[Soil]

Having VIP's / normal users.

They should just be picked not have just VIP's as it would create more fuss then needed (Such as VIP runs out, ect)

I said that but I swear everyone just ignores my posts :(

[today]

u ent special thats y xoxo

only kiddin. I didnt see you post it, sorry! :(

[Soil]

nvrspeek4, you summed it up very nicely.
Only problem about VIP Council Members - what if their VIP runs out like 10 days after they become a member ;) or before their term ends?

I think that 4 normal members should be picked through the nominations, and the other two should be picked by management.

Also, how does a normal member get into the "Executive Board"?

Thats what the moron / non-special person said.

[today]

Thats what the moron / non-special person said.
Oh reet.

I ish sorry!!!!

Didnt see it ):

But well said tbh. :]

[Furi0n]

LOl not nice...

[today]

iam bumpin dis cus sierk musta agree to some of the new MGMT so i fink sierk shud see dis n mad n sierk shud sit down n lyke discuss it tbh.

updates pls?

[Earthquake]

iam bumpin dis cus sierk musta agree to some of the new MGMT so i fink sierk shud see dis n mad n sierk shud sit down n lyke discuss it tbh.

updates pls?
I'll translate -.-

I am bumping this because Sierk must agree to some of the new management, So I think Sierk should see this and ---MAD--- and Sierk should sit down and like disscuss this to be honest.


More like you wanna boost your post count giving pointless replys ''/

[today]

No.
I want to see this idea through. Therefor i was bumping so sierk could see or MAD to see, as we've had a reply from Joshuar and Nvrspk4, along with MAD, so it leaves Sierk and MAD to discuss, so i was see'ing if anything's been said as MAD often forgets things.

[Earthquake]

Oh the ideas been seen already we've had a responce from the general manager, the thread should have been closed AGES ago!

[today]

Its a discussion thread, thus it shouldnt be locked. Along with other idea's might pop up into someone's idea and knowing Catszy she'll write another essay and we'll discuss it further =D or osh.

[nvrspk4]

nvrspeek4, you summed it up very nicely.
Only problem about VIP Council Members - what if their VIP runs out like 10 days after they become a member ;) or before their term ends?

I think that 4 normal members should be picked through the nominations, and the other two should be picked by management.

Also, how does a normal member get into the "Executive Board"?

About VIP, perhaps those who apply must have VIP until the term would run out (it seems like extortion, but its really a failsafe, its only like two months of VIP...) We can check in ACP that they have enough VIP.

Perhaps that's a good idea about 4 and 2 ratio, we'll have to see what others think.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that. The top vote-getter for each category will be at the head of their group and represent them on the "Executive Board"


Requirements - Candidates for Habbox Council must

* Have less than 6 active infraction points.
* Have no more than 2 bans (temporary).
* Must have no less than 150 posts.
* Must have been a member for at least 4 months (on the account they are running.)
* Must be active and willing to listen to ideas




Surely that infraction level is too high.... i call 6 points pretty high personally, and to get an infraction you break a rule more then once (normally get warned th first time) ... Halfing that to 3 might be a more realistic way.

Again... Surely 1 ban or no bans rather then someone who has broke serrious rules in the past.

The rest are fine, but i guess in the end its the members vote that would get the in anyway in your version of the council.

Six infraction points is pretty high, perhaps we could lower it to 3/3 (three warnings and three infractions). I agree that two bans is high, however if its a caution and a ban it may be thought over. Perhaps anyone with any bans is subject to the judgement of management as to their ability to become part of the Council?


I am not sure about nomination in a closed forum - normally nominations are public and I can't really see any really good reason for doing this but there might be one of course unless you feel it may cause arguements.

The main reason for this is to stop coercion (YOU MUST VOTE FOR ME, or IF YOU VOTE FOR ME I WILL DO THIS). This way, people can nominate freely, without having to worry about consequences.


I also really think the top 20 candidates who fit the criteria should make an address to the Forum as to why they would like to sit on the council. I see that rightly you are concerned that some members could see it as a 'power trip'. This would help members and staff alike to understand the motives of the person.

Oh my bad I forgot to mention :$ There would be a "platforms" forum where each person would post a summary of their position, and perhaps a speech type thing to accompany it.


I am not sure about the members and VIPs being separated much as I understand the motives. It could be confusing having to vote in 2 different places and cause complications if Vips ran out of their subscription. If you were going to do this then their is an arguement for separating the rest i.e. bronze, silver, gold and Platinum. Keep it simple I say. Staff and Members whatever 'rank' they are . In any event I am sure members will vote for the people not what rank they are.

VIPs who have less than two months VIP remaining could not run. Although VIPs can vote in both areas, VIPs can only run in one area (they can run as members if their VIP is going to run out).


2 months is really too short I think and if the whole board retires at the end there will be no continuity of expertise.. I would suggest that the say top people voted in each section should be voted on for longer so changeover would be more informed and better managed.

At the end of two months, people may be reelected if they are doing well. People can go for six consecutive months without having to take a break to allow someone else a shot. However the two month periods are essential in case someone is just being a total "bobba" and to keep people motivated, instead of sitting in place for two months, then for the next two months actually doing something.



What would the function of the Executive Board be?

The rest seems very well planned and it is obvious a lot if effort has gone into it :)

The Executive Board would organize any publicity events, they would keep control of their groups, if it was necessary to discuss something between the groups they would be the head representatives, they're also in charge of basically running discussions and making sure that things are going smoothly from their end.


I Agree, should be members and staff , not members, vip and staff. should be an equal vote on who the person is rather then if they have vip they should have bigger chance on getting in (assuming less people vip then don't have vip.. )

VIPs can only run in one category, but they can vote in two. VIPs who will have their VIP run out shortly may run as a member. VIPs with two months remaining or greater will be able to run as a VIP candidate. Its important that VIPs too are represented so that they are considered in it. The entire point of the council is to consider all points of view when looking at something, not two thirds or three fourths of the forum, since VIPs are a big part (though obviously smaller in number than regular members.)

[today]

After you explaning the VIP issue it could work, its work a try (:

[Soil]

nvrspeek2dagirls - any idea if Sierk has read this? If yes, what did he say?

[Catzsy]

Quote NVR -The main reason for this is to stop coercion (YOU MUST VOTE FOR ME, or IF YOU VOTE FOR ME I WILL DO THIS). This way, people can nominate freely, without having to worry about consequences

Well I see your point here - would there be an independant person/member of staff appointed to make sure that there is fairness on both sides? This usually happens in closed nominations.

[Dan2nd]

O.o I like this council idea sounds quite exciting I hope this gets seen through

[Sammeth.]

I didnt expect this many ideas from it, but now it seems like so much effort has gone into developing it, and making it just like another department that it cant NOT go ahead :O When I suggested a council I never had this much thought behind it, just a name :P But its fun to watch everyone add their own into it :D

[nvrspk4]

nvrspeek2dagirls - any idea if Sierk has read this? If yes, what did he say?

No idea at all, but I will ask him to, or at least send him an overview :)


After you explaning the VIP issue it could work, its work a try (:

Indeed, I'd like to get this off the ground :)


Quote NVR -The main reason for this is to stop coercion (YOU MUST VOTE FOR ME, or IF YOU VOTE FOR ME I WILL DO THIS). This way, people can nominate freely, without having to worry about consequences

Well I see your point here - would there be an independant person/member of staff appointed to make sure that there is fairness on both sides? This usually happens in closed nominations.

Of course :)


I didnt expect this many ideas from it, but now it seems like so much effort has gone into developing it, and making it just like another department that it cant NOT go ahead :O When I suggested a council I never had this much thought behind it, just a name :P But its fun to watch everyone add their own into it :D

Haha we will try our best to get this to go forward, when we get an idea that is worked out and agreed with, usually it goes forward. Its only the success we have to worry about. I hope, at least.

[Sammeth.]

No idea at all, but I will ask him to, or at least send him an overview :)



Indeed, I'd like to get this off the ground :)



Of course :)



Haha we will try our best to get this to go forward, when we get an idea that is worked out and agreed with, usually it goes forward. Its only the success we have to worry about. I hope, at least.
Well it was first suggested on Page 6, so thats a good 30 pages discussing it! I dont see any reason why it shouldnt, as its got a lot of backing, support and development, by members and staff alike.

[Cixso]

Well it was first suggested on Page 6, so thats a good 30 pages discussing it! I dont see any reason why it shouldnt, as its got a lot of backing, support and development, by members and staff alike.

I 100% agree with you there.

Would be nice if this happened.

[the wombats]

Haha we will try our best to get this to go forward, when we get an idea that is worked out and agreed with, usually it goes forward. Its only the success we have to worry about. I hope, at least.

so basically for something that has been discussed for god knows how many pages, all planned out - you want to think of a way to sort it? just read the thread, listen to the users and plenty of people will agree. it's not hard to do. it would take less than an hour to set up, then give it a few hours to get some members. it be easy!

[today]

so basically for something that has been discussed for god knows how many pages, all planned out - you want to think of a way to sort it? just read the thread, listen to the users and plenty of people will agree. it's not hard to do. it would take less than an hour to set up, then give it a few hours to get some members. it be easy!
We'll see what happens wont we mister pinkeh

[nvrspk4]

so basically for something that has been discussed for god knows how many pages, all planned out - you want to think of a way to sort it? just read the thread, listen to the users and plenty of people will agree. it's not hard to do. it would take less than an hour to set up, then give it a few hours to get some members. it be easy!

:rolleyes: All planned out hardly covers it. You think that, yeah, two weeks from now there is bound to be a problem with it :P Also sierk and MAD have to approve it, which they haven't done yet as they haven't discussed it.

It would probably take more than an hour to set up though.

[xuxu]

mods like sunny are not wanted tbh, rest are good enuf

[Soil]

mods like sunny are not wanted tbh, rest are good enuf

You said you are leaving? Why did you come back then?

[xuxu]

i left on furi0n ;] also i use it for fun everyone knows that habbox is corrupt though

[Catzsy]

Is there any news as to whether it might be introduced?

[xuxu]

donno xD

[Catzsy]

Any news as to whether the council idea is going to be approved?

[today]

Any news as to whether the council idea is going to be approved?
Doubt it. :0

[Lycan]

Perhaps they hope that we'll go away and let the idea die, ether that or its already secretly inplace... and soon secret killings will take place...


Hold me Hollywood, i'mafraid of the council

[Catzsy]

Well it would be nice to know otherwise its just another idea and thread thats allowed to fade gracefully to the archives without any decision.

[Sammeth.]

Im a big supporter of this idea, and would love for it to go ahead. So if someone with some sort of information about it does reply, I think I can speak for several when I say it will be well received :P

[today]

Last time i heard (via pms) it was being discussed with MAD/Sierk then it died. So i unno.

[Catzsy]

Well it just sprang up from the dead in time for Halloween. :P Sammeth it is a very good idea and I think that Habbox may stagnate a bit without it :)

[nvrspk4]

It was forwarded to Sierk and MAD who said they would discuss it, then it died there. I don't know the current status.

EDIT: Omg Hollywood said the same thing as me!

[Catzsy]

It was forwarded to Sierk and MAD who said they would discuss it, then it died there. I don't know the current status.

EDIT: Omg Hollywood said the same thing as me!

Well you did your best to give some very good suggestions and that's as much as you can do :)

[le harry]

It was forwarded to Sierk and MAD who said they would discuss it, then it died there. I don't know the current status.

EDIT: Omg Hollywood said the same thing as me!

sure, you just couldnt think of anything original to say! :@

[today]

LOL harry :P

[Elliott$]

Pick me pick me :D

[Lycan]

Pick me pick me :D
No


..... Sirek still thinking about it orrr?

[today]

No doubt no, as "other" things came up.

Dunno someone pm him.

[Earthquake!]

YES NEW MODS ARE NEEDED :@

[Galaxay1]

3 New mods were recently hired.

[Earthquake!]

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Edited by opensourcehost (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not avoid the filter.

[Galaxay1]

Swearing will get you nowhere, and i'll be in HxHD soon :) at event just now.

[today]

*Text Removed*

You get banned then you swear you've changed.

You clearly havent. Go away now, thanks.

[VPSwow]

I dont see why this was bumped really.

The moderation team is at its strongest i would say at the moment so just because you get an infraction you dont have to cry over it.

[Sammeth.]

If you read the thread, the topic changed to an idea pretty much everyone liked, including a lot of higher management abotu a Habbox Council. Then all of a sudden it went like theres no tomorrow.

[Neversoft]

This thread is back!? Oh lord...

[Lycan]

although it won't Happen perhaps a full review of all staff members.

[lucyecc]

I recommend you as a moderator :D

[le harry]

I think we can safely say that this idea is most likely going no where.

[Sammeth.]

I think we can safely say that this idea is most likely going no where.
Which would be a big shame.

[Sly]

Me 4 Smod pls.

[Catzsy]

Which would be a big shame.

Yes it would Sam - it was a great idea that would have propelled Habbox forward I believe.

[Sammeth.]

Yes it would Sam - it was a great idea that would have propelled Habbox forward I believe.
I agree.

Any more word from Higher Management on where this idea has drifted off to?

[JackHb]

Yes this forum needs better/more moderators
Also a few other drastic changes need to happen, I have PM'ed my comments to ceartin staff.

[Catzsy]

I agree.

Any more word from Higher Management on where this idea has drifted off to?

No it just seemed to have died. A Habbox Council was a great idea though:)

[Sammeth.]

I think we really should go as far as possible with this idea as it was a great one. I will push and push until I get my way!! :'(!

[The Professor]

I suggest it is reposted in another thread, sifting through 6 or so pages at 40 posts per page to find it isn't easy :P

[Galaxay1]

Re-posting would be a waste of time/space. :P

[Catzsy]

Re-posting would be a waste of time/space. :P

I agree but not for probably the same reason. As I have said before lot of these threads are just allowed to die without anybody making a decision although Nvrpsk4 and a lot of members contributed an awful lot to the thread so its a shame that a legitimate request for a council is not considered important enough to be given a decision whether it is Yes or No. :S

[Ostinato]

I agree but not for probably the same reason. As I have said before lot of these threads are just allowed to die without anybody making a decision although Nvrpsk4 and a lot of members contributed an awful lot to the thread so its a shame that a legitimate request for a council is not considered important enough to be given a decision whether it is Yes or No. :S

You go girl!

[Sammeth.]

Ive made a thread in the managers forum to try and point people to this thread. I think its important that Higher Management realise how much effort and backing has been put behind this idea, and how its developed so much. Something needs to be said, and I eagerly await MADs reply.

Edit: And Alex, it would be a waste of time reposting it, as there are so many posts that develop the idea, or take it further, or add bits to it etc.

[Catzsy]

Hey,

Apologies for this thread going so long without a management reply, I was away Saturday and spent most of Sunday night replying to my 73 PMs and sorting out VIP problems :P I also apologize, because I've done a lot of work today, I took the liberty of reading to about page 15 and then reading about 4 pages between 15 and 30. So I am going to outline things that you may have suggested, I am not aiming to steal your idea, I simply was for once lazy and don't have the time to read 17 pages of the same stuff.

One thing I will say, please, don't turn this into fights as I saw midway through. There is a good point in this thread, and I'd be really dissapointed if we had to shut one of the few civil discussions because some people decided that they just had to have a catfight in this thread. Accept that others may not share your views, and that doesn't mean they or you are wrong, it just means that you have different opinions, which is fine. Onto the replies.



Yes actually, we have tried to get this running, if Smiddums is somewhere he was in charge of starting up a Council, as delegated by sierk, but he resigned, and the entire thing died.



There is a specific place for those kinds of posts, and perhaps the moderator PMd the member about it. I agree that it probably wasn't the best way to go about it if he didn't PM him, but people will make mistakes. I'd appreciate it if things singling out specific moderators were PMd to me or MAD though, we will deal with them, its just that publically putting people on the spot usually leads to them being defensive, which makes the environment rather tense, thus slowing down discussion.



T minus 8 minutes. Not bad eh?



That is one of the things I've noticed, and commented on several times. I know I sound like a right prat going on about how things were in the old days, but I feel that its a sort of cycle, the members expect the Staff to be perfect, so because of that staff don't have room for interpretation, or personal flair, personal harshness or leniency, because if they don't do everything exactly by the book, they often get their very own thread in this very forum. Then, because of that, things are often harder for us to deal with on a person-by-person basis, and people get upset about it, because their situation was extenuating, but the mod dealt with it by the book. Its really a neverending cycle that makes everyone unhappy, but really until mods are no longer held up to a magnifying glass, nothing can really change.

I think the big moment of change where members really started criticizing mods is when infractions came in. The simple reason was, members got huge amounts of usernotes, more than the current infractions, and more unfair even. However the member couldn't see the usernotes, therefore they didn't complain. Then when they were banned, when it was said, "Oh you had 15 usernotes" there wasn't much dissent. As soon as members got to see every time they were infracted, they decided to kick up a fuss (well, I can't generalize and say all members, as some are mature about it) but nobody can seem to accept that moderators don't have a driving need to issue as many infractions and get as many people banned as they can. They're just trying to do their jobs.



As far as the council idea, I think its terrific. Here's my ideas about it, and I apologize once again if I mention something someone else has suggested, its simply because I sorta skipped half the thread.


Habbox Council is comprised of 21 members and an executive board of 5.

Executive Board

Management - 2
Staff - 1
Members - 1
VIPs - 1

General Council

Management - 2 + 1 department manager
Staff - 6
Members - 6
VIPs - 6


Terms - Each member of the VIP and Member council are elected for two month "terms". After that, there is another election, where members may run again, or choose to let someone else. Members who have server 3 consecutive terms must sit out at least one term before trying to run again, to get fresh ideas in.


Nominations - For members, nominations would be made in a closed forums where only admins could see the threads. The members with the top 20 votes would be looked through, and those who did not fit the criteria (see next section) would be removed. The top 5 of the remaining members would move on to general elections. Of the top 30 (eligible) members, management would also select 5 candidates. This way, there is an even match.

Requirements - Candidates for Habbox Council must

Have less than 6 active infraction points.
Have no more than 2 bans (temporary).
Must have no less than 150 posts.
Must have been a member for at least 4 months (on the account they are running.)
Must be active and willing to listen to ideas


"Elections" - The 10 candidates, selected by admins and members, would be put to a public vote, open for 7 days. The top 6 members would move on to become the Member Council Reps for those two months.

VIPs - VIPs can nominate and vote in the normal elections, but they may also vote for and nominate VIP reps in a special VIP forum, and these VIP reps will serve as voicing the concerns of VIPs which I believe are underrepresented on the forums.

Staff - Staff will function sort of differently, the staff will nominate one staff member (other than the manager) for that term, and the manager may opt to choose one member on top of that (not required). Then all managers will submit names to (A)GMs, who will then post a poll, allowing staff members to elect their 6 representatives. The (A)GMs will also post a poll with all the managers, and people will select who will accompany the two members of management to make up the management portion of the council. The same rules with terms apply to Staff and VIPs.


Functions of the Council - To ensure that this doesn't become an "abuse of power" kind of thing, I don't believe that the council should be given the power to actually execute actions, such as to hire or fire people, or institute changes of their own accord. Otherwise people would run for the simple reason of gaining power, as opposed to representing members. The Council, therefore, would gather ideas and propose new ones, and discuss them in a closed forum, as well as taking in ideas from the Feedback Forum. Votes might be taken, however management will probably take this into account, but reserves the right to deny changes based on workability, difficulty to execute, danger to the safety of the board, limited resources, etc. etc.

"Meetings" - There would probably be a Council Drop-In sort of thing with open stickies and also council members to take ideas, and sort of be a chill-out place. Also Council members could explain what they've been discussing, in addition to a perhaps biweekly summary posted on the forums, and perhaps a monthly Meet the Council type of thing? Each would have a little part in the thread, and in the Meet the Council thing on Habbo. However the main meeting place for the council itself would be the closed forums.

Administration and Impeachment - Any council member who is banned permanantly, or for serious offences, will be removed from the council immediately, and replaced by the next runner up. Habbox Management will reserve the right to decide what serious offenses are, but if you get banned you really shouldn't be on Council, because that's just being irresponsible and unfair to your fellow members. For Staff, when they are fired they will be "impeached" from their position as the Staff Rep, and if they resign from all jobs it will also be considered a resignation from the Council. The next Runner Up will take their place. (This is why there will be more candidates for staff, we're more likely to lose someone to a resignation or a firing than to a banning.)


That's just the basic layout, but what do you guys think? I'm open to suggestions, additions, or modifications.

nvr


Well to save people sifting through this was the final plan that Nvrspk4 posted to which most members agreed :)

[Jamie.]

:P REPORT POSTS! Makes a mods job easier.

[Galaxay1]

Jamie. if you cared to look through the pages you would relise the idea re-devloped to a habbox council preferred to more/better moderators. And alot of people do report posts.

[Jamie.]

Jamie. if you cared to look through the pages you would relise the idea re-devloped to a habbox council preferred to more/better moderators. And alot of people do report posts.

I was reinstating the fact along the amount of pages for people who cant be bothered to look through?! :eusa_ange

[Sammeth.]

Still awaiting a reply from higher management :(!

[Catzsy]

Still awaiting a reply from higher management :(!

Maybe copy and paste Nvrspk4 suggestion for the make up of the council and make a new thread with a poll and see what demand there is? :)

[joshuar]

I put this in a To-Do list in the AGM Forum for ---MAD--- and sierk. It seems it still hasn't been acted upon.

I suggest you even PM ---MAD--- about it, I will do my best to attract intrest towards it.

[Catzsy]

I put this in a To-Do list in the AGM Forum for ---MAD--- and sierk. It seems it still hasn't been acted upon.

I suggest you even PM ---MAD--- about it, I will do my best to attract intrest towards it.

Go, Joshuar!

It is a shame when there are loads of ideas that disappear into the wasteland of dead threads and It does seem even more ironic when it happens and somebody has this in his signature:


Have an idea? Tell us about it - We can't read minds!:P:O:P

[Mr.OSH]

I put this in a To-Do list in the AGM Forum for ---MAD--- and sierk. It seems it still hasn't been acted upon.

I suggest you even PM ---MAD--- about it, I will do my best to attract intrest towards it.

Yeah that is a good idea joshuar, thank you. I'm sure the other appreciate it too. If nothing else I'm sure a formal reply regarding the situation of this development/idea is required from higher management. :) However I'm sure ---MAD---/sierk will get around to it soon. It will be interesting to see what the higher managements feelings are on this matter.

[@xP]

There are a few good moderators.

Galaxay
Wizzdom
The super moderators are ok.

Just some moderatros don't have a clue what they are doing and give infractions out like penny toffies.

[Sammeth.]

There are a few good moderators.

Galaxay
Wizzdom
The super moderators are ok.

Just some moderatros don't have a clue what they are doing and give infractions out like penny toffies.
The thread has changed topic from the title. ;)

[@xP]

The thread has changed topic from the title. ;)

ahh well, i'm expressing my opinion on my favourite moderators. :)

[Jinc]

I think there are enough moderators. It seems that a few are more inclined to get involved in a dispute in the thread, instead of closing it and dealing with any problems over PM. Also, when something intresting pops up, moderators are all over it.. but the usual garbage threads which should be moderatored go unnoticed.

[Catzsy]

Originally Posted by nvrspk4
Hey,

Apologies for this thread going so long without a management reply, I was away Saturday and spent most of Sunday night replying to my 73 PMs and sorting out VIP problems I also apologize, because I've done a lot of work today, I took the liberty of reading to about page 15 and then reading about 4 pages between 15 and 30. So I am going to outline things that you may have suggested, I am not aiming to steal your idea, I simply was for once lazy and don't have the time to read 17 pages of the same stuff.

One thing I will say, please, don't turn this into fights as I saw midway through. There is a good point in this thread, and I'd be really dissapointed if we had to shut one of the few civil discussions because some people decided that they just had to have a catfight in this thread. Accept that others may not share your views, and that doesn't mean they or you are wrong, it just means that you have different opinions, which is fine. Onto the replies.



Yes actually, we have tried to get this running, if Smiddums is somewhere he was in charge of starting up a Council, as delegated by sierk, but he resigned, and the entire thing died.



There is a specific place for those kinds of posts, and perhaps the moderator PMd the member about it. I agree that it probably wasn't the best way to go about it if he didn't PM him, but people will make mistakes. I'd appreciate it if things singling out specific moderators were PMd to me or MAD though, we will deal with them, its just that publically putting people on the spot usually leads to them being defensive, which makes the environment rather tense, thus slowing down discussion.



T minus 8 minutes. Not bad eh?



That is one of the things I've noticed, and commented on several times. I know I sound like a right prat going on about how things were in the old days, but I feel that its a sort of cycle, the members expect the Staff to be perfect, so because of that staff don't have room for interpretation, or personal flair, personal harshness or leniency, because if they don't do everything exactly by the book, they often get their very own thread in this very forum. Then, because of that, things are often harder for us to deal with on a person-by-person basis, and people get upset about it, because their situation was extenuating, but the mod dealt with it by the book. Its really a neverending cycle that makes everyone unhappy, but really until mods are no longer held up to a magnifying glass, nothing can really change.

I think the big moment of change where members really started criticizing mods is when infractions came in. The simple reason was, members got huge amounts of usernotes, more than the current infractions, and more unfair even. However the member couldn't see the usernotes, therefore they didn't complain. Then when they were banned, when it was said, "Oh you had 15 usernotes" there wasn't much dissent. As soon as members got to see every time they were infracted, they decided to kick up a fuss (well, I can't generalize and say all members, as some are mature about it) but nobody can seem to accept that moderators don't have a driving need to issue as many infractions and get as many people banned as they can. They're just trying to do their jobs.



As far as the council idea, I think its terrific. Here's my ideas about it, and I apologize once again if I mention something someone else has suggested, its simply because I sorta skipped half the thread.


Habbox Council is comprised of 21 members and an executive board of 5.

Executive Board

Management - 2
Staff - 1
Members - 1
VIPs - 1

General Council

Management - 2 + 1 department manager
Staff - 6
Members - 6
VIPs - 6


Terms - Each member of the VIP and Member council are elected for two month "terms". After that, there is another election, where members may run again, or choose to let someone else. Members who have server 3 consecutive terms must sit out at least one term before trying to run again, to get fresh ideas in.


Nominations - For members, nominations would be made in a closed forums where only admins could see the threads. The members with the top 20 votes would be looked through, and those who did not fit the criteria (see next section) would be removed. The top 5 of the remaining members would move on to general elections. Of the top 30 (eligible) members, management would also select 5 candidates. This way, there is an even match.

Requirements - Candidates for Habbox Council must

Have less than 6 active infraction points.
Have no more than 2 bans (temporary).
Must have no less than 150 posts.
Must have been a member for at least 4 months (on the account they are running.)
Must be active and willing to listen to ideas


"Elections" - The 10 candidates, selected by admins and members, would be put to a public vote, open for 7 days. The top 6 members would move on to become the Member Council Reps for those two months.

VIPs - VIPs can nominate and vote in the normal elections, but they may also vote for and nominate VIP reps in a special VIP forum, and these VIP reps will serve as voicing the concerns of VIPs which I believe are underrepresented on the forums.

Staff - Staff will function sort of differently, the staff will nominate one staff member (other than the manager) for that term, and the manager may opt to choose one member on top of that (not required). Then all managers will submit names to (A)GMs, who will then post a poll, allowing staff members to elect their 6 representatives. The (A)GMs will also post a poll with all the managers, and people will select who will accompany the two members of management to make up the management portion of the council. The same rules with terms apply to Staff and VIPs.


Functions of the Council - To ensure that this doesn't become an "abuse of power" kind of thing, I don't believe that the council should be given the power to actually execute actions, such as to hire or fire people, or institute changes of their own accord. Otherwise people would run for the simple reason of gaining power, as opposed to representing members. The Council, therefore, would gather ideas and propose new ones, and discuss them in a closed forum, as well as taking in ideas from the Feedback Forum. Votes might be taken, however management will probably take this into account, but reserves the right to deny changes based on workability, difficulty to execute, danger to the safety of the board, limited resources, etc. etc.

"Meetings" - There would probably be a Council Drop-In sort of thing with open stickies and also council members to take ideas, and sort of be a chill-out place. Also Council members could explain what they've been discussing, in addition to a perhaps biweekly summary posted on the forums, and perhaps a monthly Meet the Council type of thing? Each would have a little part in the thread, and in the Meet the Council thing on Habbo. However the main meeting place for the council itself would be the closed forums.

Administration and Impeachment - Any council member who is banned permanantly, or for serious offences, will be removed from the council immediately, and replaced by the next runner up. Habbox Management will reserve the right to decide what serious offenses are, but if you get banned you really shouldn't be on Council, because that's just being irresponsible and unfair to your fellow members. For Staff, when they are fired they will be "impeached" from their position as the Staff Rep, and if they resign from all jobs it will also be considered a resignation from the Council. The next Runner Up will take their place. (This is why there will be more candidates for staff, we're more likely to lose someone to a resignation or a firing than to a banning.)


That's just the basic layout, but what do you guys think? I'm open to suggestions, additions, or modifications.

nvr

Mad is there any chance of a reply to this idea by Sammeth and the 'plan of action' for the council by Nvrspk4 - it has a lot support? Thanks :)

[Banned100times]

There are a few good moderators.

Galaxay
Wizzdom
The super moderators are ok.

Just some moderatros don't have a clue what they are doing and give infractions out like penny toffies.

Hell no, should be fired

[Sammeth.]

As I have said I did make a thread in the managers forum to try and get their attention, as well as the attention of other managers. MAD asked what advantages a council will have over the feedback forum. So far...

Advantages

* Ideas can be discussed maturely and more indepth
* Ideas can be developed a lot better with a select group
* Threads wont be closed due to arguments in the thread
* Repeat ideas wont keep coming up over and over
* Civillised discussion can be carried out practically and when needed
* A group of members who are in touch with what users want will benefit us greatly, rather than random ideas
* All ideas will have a sensible reason, not one which will just benefit one person
* All ideas will be realistic, or can easily be made realistic and developed on
* Allows users to always voice their opinions without being flamed by other users
* When people disagree with an idea, they are able to give their ideas and how to make things better constructivly without arguments breaking out

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If anyone has anything to add to the list Ill make sure its posted.

[Sammeth.]

Double posting to add more information, nvr - stay back with your death stick!

Anyway, it looks like this idea has been trampled on by the one in charge. Though I thought I better say something as it doesnt look like he will.

[Nixt]

So MAD is rejecting the idea?!

[Sammeth.]

So MAD is rejecting the idea?!
innit.

[Nixt]

innit.

What a surprise :O! And he still hasn't replied to justify his reasons for dismissing the idea :(.

[Sammeth.]

Hmmm I dont want to get in any more trouble, so I wont post what he said obvi. But Im sure he will. Maybe if this was moved into the complaints forum he would have replied immediatly :rolleyes:

[Nixt]

Hmmm I dont want to get in any more trouble, so I wont post what he said obvi. But Im sure he will. Maybe if this was moved into the complaints forum he would have replied immediatly :rolleyes:

LOL. Perhaps. I hope is reason is a good one, because a hell of a lot of people like the idea x)

[Sammeth.]

I know. A lot of users, staff, managers and 2 agms have displayed a lot of interest in it.

[Catzsy]

It is really unbelievable that either Sierk or Mad hasn't replied to this thread. :(

[Ostinato]

It is really unbelievable that either Sierk or Mad hasn't replied to this thread. :(

Lol i'm actually not that surprised.

[Frisky]

Mods do their best, its hard to keep up with people that deliberetly try and make their jobs hard


If the job is too hard for them to handle, they shouldn't of taken it in the first place.

[Elkaa]

Comment removed :)

[Ostinato]

If the job is too hard for them to handle, they shouldn't of taken it in the first place.

exactly

[---MAD---]

Just to let you guys know that there are plans to have a council set up some time soon. We are still working out all the details etc so it may be a while. There are no time frames atm as some things still need confirming etc :).

[Wizzdom]

Just to let you guys know that there are plans to have a council set up some time soon. We are still working out all the details etc so it may be a while. There are no time frames atm as some things still need confirming etc :).

Sounds good

[BlueTango]

A Council Sounds like a good Idea!

[today]

Just to let you guys know that there are plans to have a council set up some time soon. We are still working out all the details etc so it may be a while. There are no time frames atm as some things still need confirming etc :).
I am very pleased this is going to happen

Congrats Sammeth and Cathy06, anyone else who discussed it mainly these two i think. And lycan! Ksoz.

[Sammeth.]

I am very pleased this is going to happen

Congrats Sammeth and Cathy06, anyone else who discussed it mainly these two i think. And lycan! Ksoz.
I only suggested the idea! I think it was mainly Lycan, Saurav, Catzsy and Nvrspk4 who took it to new heights :D

[Mr.OSH]

Just to let you guys know that there are plans to have a council set up some time soon. We are still working out all the details etc so it may be a while. There are no time frames atm as some things still need confirming etc :).

:D It's wonderful to see progression with this idea, thank you ---MAD--.

[A4AOwen]

Just to let you guys know that there are plans to have a council set up some time soon. We are still working out all the details etc so it may be a while. There are no time frames atm as some things still need confirming etc :).
Don't even try and say that was your idea.

[iluv2spam]

Can i be a mad with elkab pleasse? we make good videos )))