More / Better Moderators needed.

[Soil]

I think we need more moderators or moderators who actually do their job properly

I was looking at Discuss Anything - Took me 5 minutes and I found all these. You really need better moderators. Also, most of them are over a week old.
http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?...0&postcount=10 - pointless post
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=399616 - wrong forum
http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?...87&postcount=6 - pointless post. nothing to do with the topic.
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=399525 - wrong forum
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=398975 - already a thread on it
http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?...4&postcount=12 - pointless post again
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=398916 - already posted in sports forum. so multiple thread on same topic.
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=397929 - wrong forum

^^ Most of them might get edited now. I dont think the forum moderators are doing a great job in Discuss Anything (apart from mattmeister)
Above are just examples, I am sure there are alot more.

I know a lot of threads are posted each day, but I am sure if I can find them by just looking around the forum, moderators can too.

Oh and please dont just say "report them"

[today]

I do think more moderators roughly 3/4 active mods per forum at least, but we cant force moderators to come online, though if thats the case they should be fired...

[Lyca]

Mods do their best, its hard to keep up with people that deliberetly try and make their jobs hard

[today]

So moderators should get more power really. (:

Hah, or more Super Moderators, there's plenty of moderators to become them.

[cocaine]

hey, remember that some of us are on trial, personally I've only been moderator for a few days so please forgive me, im still learning ;)

[Soil]

If they dont come online then just fire them. There is no point having forum rules if most moderators dont do anything.

Mattmeister, you are the only moderator who actually deserves a job.

[today]

True, but there's still another batch of moderators to come yet i think?

[Soil]

True, but there's still another batch of moderators to come yet i think?

Nope
No more.
They really need to fire a few mods and hire better ones.

[cocaine]

Mods do their best, its hard to keep up with people that deliberetly try and make their jobs hard

yeah, i mod the spam and discuss anything forum so its kinda busy sometimes.


Mattmeister, you are the only moderator who actually deserves a job.

:O, why do you say that? :P


True, but there's still another batch of moderators to come yet i think?

nope, there were only two batches.

[today]

Well i thought there was, there's never enough moderators around i think a new moderation system is needed. (:

Maybe three super mods per section and then how ever many forums devided by the three moderators and rounded up for the moderators? Or for every two forums there should be 4 moderators? (Depending on how active they are)


:O, why do you say that? :P
As your well known and you actually been around for a good while :]

[Soil]

:O, why do you say that? :P


Well in Discuss Anything. Out of the three mods, I have only seen you post and moderate. Maybe matt64 and devil.wont.Cry do edit. I cant really comment as I cant see mod logs etc.

But either way, better moderators or more moderators are needed in that forum.

I think every forum should have 4 moderators each.
Also, assign two super moderators to each catagory (so their main focus is that catagory, but they can also moderate other forums too). As super moderators moderate all forums, I am sure they dont visit a lot of forums.

[today]

Well in Discuss Anything. Out of the three mods, I have only seen you post and moderate. Maybe matt64 and devil.wont.Cry do edit. I cant really comment as I cant see mod logs etc.

But either way, better moderators or more moderators are needed in that forum.
I've seen Mat64 a few times but not devil.wont.cry :]

[cocaine]

Well i thought there was, there's never enough moderators around i think a new moderation system is needed. (:

Maybe three super mods per section and then how ever many forums devided by the three moderators and rounded up for the moderators? Or for every two forums there should be 4 moderators? (Depending on how active they are)


As your well known and you actually been around for a good while :]

dont forget that smods moderate the WHOLE forum, they cant be assigned to certain forums, then they would be normal mods

+ thanks (:


Well in Discuss Anything. Out of the three mods, I have only seen you post and moderate. Maybe matt64 and devil.wont.Cry do edit. I cant really comment as I cant see mod logs etc.

But either way, better moderators or more moderators are needed in that forum.

and thanks :D

[today]

dont forget that smods moderate the WHOLE forum, they cant be assigned to certain forums, then they would be normal mods

+ thanks (:



and thanks :D
Yes but it doesnt mean they cant keep to a certain section, i think it would be better then they each have their own section though they can search other sections if needed, but they have a section each, two super mods to each section (:

It seems good to me :]

[Soil]

Yes but it doesnt mean they cant keep to a certain section, i think it would be better then they each have their own section though they can search other sections if needed, but they have a section each, two super mods to each section (:

It seems good to me :]

Read my first post on this page :) but your summed it up better than I did.
The moderation on this forum sucks. I blame the forum manager, who ever that is (not really looked at announcements or staff list etc)

[Ed.]

Also there are so many rules broken in that section every minute - its hard to keep up..

[mat64]

If they dont come online then just fire them. There is no point having forum rules if most moderators dont do anything.

Mattmeister, you are the only moderator who actually deserves a job.

I do agree, mattmeister is doing a very good job at the moment, Just because he is the only one you see do work doesn't necessarily make it the case. If you look back at the previous week before the the new batch started I moderating quite alot, Although now matt picks up on things very quickly, and I'm away doing other things, and when It comes to checking the forums most of the work is already done. Moderation is usually quite swift these days. Also, Our guideline for moving threads, As some listed in your original post. Is that if it's possible they can be discussed in this section quite comfortably then there is no need to move them.

[Soil]

Also there are so many rules broken in that section every minute - its hard to keep up..

It should make it easier then? I dont see many mod edits.
And if that forum has a lot of rule breaking then assign more moderators to that forum :s

Excuses excuses excuses :)


I do agree, mattmeister is doing a very good job at the moment, Just because he is the only one you see do work doesn't necessarily make it the case. If you look back at the previous week before the the new batch started I moderating quite alot, Although now matt picks up on things very quickly, and I'm away doing other things, and when It comes to checking the forums most of the work is already done. Moderation is usually quite swift these days. Also, Our guideline for moving threads, As some listed in your original post. Is that if it's possible they can be discussed in this section quite comfortably then there is no need to move them.

Sorry I just remembered I have seen a lot of your edits. Like I said, I cant comment on how hard you work as I cant see mod logs.

[today]

Read my first post on this page :) but your summed it up better than I did.
The moderation on this forum sucks. I blame the forum manager, who ever that is (not really looked at announcements or staff list etc)

Each section has two super moderators assigned to that section, though they can do other sections (if they have time) that means Six more will need to be picked, i can name a few normal moderators who could become super moderators.

So we've got the super moderators (minus comments, feedback section and VIP) and 19 moderators (inc trialists) thats really not enough, i think at least another 21 should be hired, though there are more active forums then others as you can tell and we know which ones are active for the 'non active' forums maybe one moderator is enough as there's super moderators to cover if needed. Though for the active forums such as spam, discuss anything there really needs to be four active moderators, which at least two come on each day to check, or at least one with a super moderator active, this would soon clear up any problems.

There are some flaws in this idea such as we cant hrie super moderators just like that, but im sure you do back ups? Along with you know who you can trust and who you cant. (:

//Edit:
Mat64 did a few edits from what i seen including threads i've replied to and dealt with the issues correctly, (: As i reported them, lol =]

[Ed.]

Look - its blatent why you posted this.

Did you apply for MOD and not get it??

[today]

Look - its blatent why you posted this.

Did you apply for MOD and not get it??
Who me?
I didnt apply :p

[cocaine]

Look - its blatent why you posted this.

Did you apply for MOD and not get it??

saurav has been a super moderator before..

[today]

saurav has been a super moderator before..
Mr. Saurav has been a super moderator i think? I cant really remember, haha. (:

[Soil]

Look - its blatent why you posted this.

Did you apply for MOD and not get it??

DAMN you found out :rolleyes:
Unfortunately, no, thats not the reason.
I actually did apply for mod, but I guess I didnt get it as I got banned on my old account.
Ah well.
And yes, I have been a super moderator.

[today]

oh, you did apply? ;o haha. (: I've been there done that a few times, wouldnt say no again though i wouldnt apply unless i got offered.

Anyway off topic tbh. (:

Other views yuh?

[Soil]

oh, you did apply? ;o haha. (: I've been there done that a few times, wouldnt say no again though i wouldnt apply unless i got offered.

Anyway off topic tbh. (:

Other views yuh?

I knew I wouldnt get it as I got banned on ksoz, but I wanted to see what they would say xD Seeing as I swore at MAD, I highly doubt I would have got it.

[today]

I knew I wouldnt get it as I got banned on ksoz, but I wanted to see what they would say xD Seeing as I swore at MAD, I highly doubt I would have got it.
You on the DNH list? (:

[---MAD---]

We are always on the look out for people to hire as moderators but we do that by looking at how often they report posts and their general behaviour on the forum :). We only open up apps when we need lots of new moderators.

[GoldenMerc]

Nah hes not x]
Yeh i agree a few of the new mods are kinda ripping others in the UK news and rumours tho :P

[Soil]

You on the DNH list? (:

I dunno. Seeing as I dont use habbo anymore, I guess it doesnt matter even if I am (as most jobs are habbo related).

I miss the time when DJ-3000, Anitar, Seacat, JackHb used to run the forum. People did a better job then.


We only open up apps when we need lots of new moderators.

I guess that should be right now then?

The links on the first post should be (I didnt copy them properly):

http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3919840&postcount=10
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=399616
http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3895987&postcount=6
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=399525
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=398975
http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=3908894&postcount=12
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=398916
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=397929

[---MAD---]

I miss the time when DJ-3000, Anitar, Seacat, JackHb used to run the forum. People did a better job then.
The forum was much smaller at that time so its not as hard to moderate etc but yes they were all great people :).

[Soil]

The forum was much smaller at that time so its not as hard to moderate etc but yes they were all great people :).

Not really.
Back then you had around the same number of users online as you do now.
The only difference is the amount of members.

[today]

Well, half them links have been sorted now, lol. :]

[Catzsy]

I think we need more moderators or moderators who actually do their job properly

I was looking at Discuss Anything - Took me 5 minutes and I found all these. You really need better moderators. Also, most of them are over a week old.
http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?...0&postcount=10 - pointless post
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=399616 - wrong forum
http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?...87&postcount=6 - pointless post. nothing to do with the topic.
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=399525 - wrong forum
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=398975 - already a thread on it
http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?...4&postcount=12 - pointless post again
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=398916 - already posted in sports forum. so multiple thread on same topic.
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=397929 - wrong forum

^^ Most of them might get edited now. I dont think the forum moderators are doing a great job in Discuss Anything (apart from mattmeister)
Above are just examples, I am sure there are alot more.

I know a lot of threads are posted each day, but I am sure if I can find them by just looking around the forum, moderators can too.

Oh and please dont just say "report them"

You know the rules have changed and most of the threads you have pointed out are the softest of rule breaks that don't even require an edit or action unless the members does it constantly so the mods are doing what is required of them in the moderator guide. They are supposed to concentrate on the harder rule breaks. If they were editing every single little thing you would be saying that that they are power mad so they can't win:( The majority of the mods are new as well so I think you should give them a break :)

[Mr.OSH]

At the moment there are enough modertors but like with anything it takes time to train them and the forum is very busy. Also we can't guarantee that moderators will be online when rule breaking occurs, once it occurs I'd Say virtually all rule breaking is dealt with fairly quickly. All moderators are active (unless they are away etc) as Habbox do not employ moderator who are not doing their job correctly. Habbox has a very strict scheme of moderating and make sure only the highest standard of moderation occurs throughout the department. I can assure you that all the staff are working very hard, you have to remember that large proportions of moderators are new and people do not just get promoted to Super Moderators as someone suggested earlier. Moderator have to be experienced and very active to be placed as Super Moderators as more responsibility is required and tasks vary from moderation.

The moderation department is running at optimum performance and in my opinion no more moderators are needed and neither are any changes. Some things take a little while to be dealt with but not matter how many moderators you employ you can't be sure that will speed things up as it is impossible to tell when rule breaking will occur. It's much better to have a team of Quality moderators/super moderators rather than mass moderators who make loads of mistakes and do not have a clue what they are doing.

I can assure all of you that all moderators and super moderators work very hard and deserve their jobs at Habbox otherwise they simply would not be here. :)

[Lycan]

deserve their jobs at Habbox otherwise they simply would not be here. :)



Surely the fact that a user has pointed out posts, and even ive noticed mistakes made by the baby mods and how other forums and posts have remained unactive, the otherday i went completly offtopic in a thread and went from discussing webdesign to discussing the pregnency of danny, lasting well over an hour, where was the mod then? , wheres my infraction damn it!

If the mods arn't showing the levels they should be , they should be replaced


But of course i can't pass any real comment about mods keeping there jobs when they shoudn't until the moderator trials are over... surely then the baby mods who don't deserve there jobs will be removed, as after the long conversation in the feedback thread , i have faith in the management.

[Mr.OSH]

Surely the fact that a user has pointed out posts, and even ive noticed mistakes made by the baby mods and how other forums and posts have remained unactive, the otherday i went completly offtopic in a thread and went from discussing webdesign to discussing the pregnency of danny, lasting well over an hour, where was the mod then? , wheres my infraction damn it!

If the mods arn't showing the levels they should be , they should be replaced


But of course i can't pass any real comment about mods keeping there jobs when they shoudn't until the moderator trials are over... surely then the baby mods who don't deserve there jobs will be removed, as after the long conversation in the feedback thread , i have faith in the management.

As you said mistakes made by new moderators is expected. Unfortunately you guys will have to accept that they are still learning for now. Other than that, I can be 100% sure when I say everyone else within the department deserves there job and I'm sure most if not all the new moderators do to, I'm sure they will all do great. It's hard at first but in time it comes like a second nature if you work hard at it. :)

[Soil]

At the moment there are enough modertors but like with anything it takes time to train them and the forum is very busy. Also we can't guarantee that moderators will be online when rule breaking occurs, once it occurs I'd Say virtually all rule breaking is dealt with fairly quickly.

I have seen a lot of posts which take over a week to get removed. Sometimes they are ignored. I pointed out a few pointless posts in my first post. They were around 10 days old.
Also not all the moderators are trialists ...

[The Professor]

Surely the fact that a user has pointed out posts, and even ive noticed mistakes made by the baby mods and how other forums and posts have remained unactive, the otherday i went completly offtopic in a thread and went from discussing webdesign to discussing the pregnency of danny, lasting well over an hour, where was the mod then? , wheres my infraction damn it!

If the mods arn't showing the levels they should be , they should be replaced


But of course i can't pass any real comment about mods keeping there jobs when they shoudn't until the moderator trials are over... surely then the baby mods who don't deserve there jobs will be removed, as after the long conversation in the feedback thread , i have faith in the management.

I think it's a bit too much to expect all rule breaking to be dealt with within the hour. Within 24 hours is more realistic.

[Mr.OSH]

I have seen a lot of posts which take over a week to get removed. Sometimes they are ignored. I pointed out a few pointless posts in my first post. They were around 10 days old.
Also not all the moderators are trialists ...

Pointless posting for example is what we call a piece of soft rule breaking. This occurs regularly and little if any action if taken for it, your likely just to have your post edited, so when I said the above I was implying hard rule breaking is deal with very quickly e.g. bullying, inappropriate post, filter abuse etc, the more important things that need to be dealt with. :)

[Soil]

Pointless posting for example is what we call a piece of soft rule breaking. This occurs regularly and little if any action if taken for it, your likely just to have your post edited, so when I said the above I was implying hard rule breaking is deal with very quickly e.g. bullying, inappropriate post, filter abuse etc, the more important things that need to be dealt with. :)

I know what soft and hard rule breaks are :rolleyes:
One of them was rude and not a pointless post ;)

Anyway those were just examples I found within 5 minutes of normal browsing. I am sure there are many more.
A few weeks ago someone spammed every forum. It took over 6 hours to remove it.

[Sammeth.]

Edit: I just realised this has nothing to do with the topic. I thought it was about something else, my bad :D

[JackHb]

The forum was much smaller at that time so its not as hard to moderate etc but yes they were all great people :).

It wasnt that much smaller. When Seacat and me were running it was like it is now.

Not condeming anyone or anything but back then we were all like a small little family lol, all the management and admins and super mods etc use to speak on a regular basis and we were older than quite alot of people now who are on here.

The moderators would also work there butts off to try and become higher up (maybe they still are like that now, i dont know).
And it looks like a lot of members don't respect the mod's, if they used to cheek the mods me and ash would do stuff to wind the user up, they soon would stop.

[the wombats]

It wasnt that much smaller. When Seacat and me were running it was like it is now.

Not condeming anyone or anything but back then we were all like a small little family lol, all the management and admins and super mods etc use to speak on a regular basis and we were older than quite alot of people now who are on here.

The moderators would also work there butts off to try and become higher up (maybe they still are like that now, i dont know).

ah i remember them days, it'd be a ban everyday for calling you a name on MSN. :( that was when hxf was decent. now though the staff just suck up for promotions. i should be a mod again.

[JackHb]

ah i remember them days, it'd be a ban everyday for calling you a name on MSN. :( that was when hxf was decent. now though the staff just suck up for promotions. i should be a mod again.

No a ban was to easy for you, changing your pass and email and stuff like that was more fun.
Or changing your name to some lame word lol

[the wombats]

you should come back as management, make it decent again. just stop with all the abuse. :( like on my 16th birthday when nearly all admins and super mods messed with my account, you made av and sig. jin gave me a huge usertitle ect ect

[nvrspk4]

I think we need more moderators or moderators who actually do their job properly

I was looking at Discuss Anything - Took me 5 minutes and I found all these. You really need better moderators. Also, most of them are over a week old.
http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?...0&postcount=10 - pointless post
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=399616 - wrong forum
http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?...87&postcount=6 - pointless post. nothing to do with the topic.
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=399525 - wrong forum
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=398975 - already a thread on it
http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?...4&postcount=12 - pointless post again
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=398916 - already posted in sports forum. so multiple thread on same topic.
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=397929 - wrong forum

^^ Most of them might get edited now. I dont think the forum moderators are doing a great job in Discuss Anything (apart from mattmeister)
Above are just examples, I am sure there are alot more.

I know a lot of threads are posted each day, but I am sure if I can find them by just looking around the forum, moderators can too.

Oh and please dont just say "report them"

In all honesty, half of those threads are soft rule breaking, and the other half aren't. Two were urgent I believe.

Also, as far as "report them" goes, its really what the moderation system is based on now. With such a huge forum, its impossible for them to catch everything, so they rely on reports. Whether that is good or bad is up for debate, however that is the reason why its so commonly quoted.


If they dont come online then just fire them. There is no point having forum rules if most moderators dont do anything.

Mattmeister, you are the only moderator who actually deserves a job.

According to the list, the only mod who hasn't been online in more than a day (well, one was on "2" days ago, but that's because its past midnight, so its really not two days ago) is this bloke called "MAD", he claims to be a backup account, but methinks he's lying :eusa_danc


I think every forum should have 4 moderators each.
Also, assign two super moderators to each catagory (so their main focus is that catagory, but they can also moderate other forums too). As super moderators moderate all forums, I am sure they dont visit a lot of forums.

While seemingly practical in principle, you have to realize that having four mods for every forum would give us over 100 mods...and 2 SMods per category would leave us 16 SMods...both of which are huge numbers.


Yes but it doesnt mean they cant keep to a certain section, i think it would be better then they each have their own section though they can search other sections if needed, but they have a section each, two super mods to each section (:

It seems good to me :]

By increasing the number of staff, we slowly lose quality, and we have to hire worse and worse mods, just because we need more and more and more, thus we have a *lot* of mods, but a lot of bad ones too ;)


It should make it easier then? I dont see many mod edits.
And if that forum has a lot of rule breaking then assign more moderators to that forum :s

Excuses excuses excuses :)

There's more to modding than mod edits :P


I have seen a lot of posts which take over a week to get removed. Sometimes they are ignored. I pointed out a few pointless posts in my first post. They were around 10 days old.
Also not all the moderators are trialists ...

Pointless posts aren't really dealt with unless they're very serious. Its easy to click report, and things are sorted much faster.


It wasnt that much smaller. When Seacat and me were running it was like it is now.

Not condeming anyone or anything but back then we were all like a small little family lol, all the management and admins and super mods etc use to speak on a regular basis and we were older than quite alot of people now who are on here.

The moderators would also work there butts off to try and become higher up (maybe they still are like that now, i dont know).
And it looks like a lot of members don't respect the mod's, if they used to cheek the mods me and ash would do stuff to wind the user up, they soon would stop.

Unfortunately the situation then and the situation now are two very different times, I wish it weren't that way. I was friends with all the SMods and Admins then, but now I only know some of the SMods and most of the admins. Of course that could be because I work less in the forum department :P

I think part of the problem with the current system is that it removes the Mod Level as a sort of place for a while, and we use more Super Mods than mods. Personally, I don't like it, because people can get promoted when doing less, and often there are more SMods than mods. I know that in the past, the work was very diligent, because there were 20 people competing for one spot, and there were people who were around for ages and took a while to earn their position.

As far as the lack of respect for mods, yes it is evident among some users. The main change is that users have (some anyway) decided that it is their right to abuse the mods and staff, and it is the mods and staff's job to take it, and not do anything about it. While we do like constructive criticism, members take snipes a lot now. Also, we can't have fun like we used to any more :P Once I banned Adzeh and within 5 minutes I had a thread asking why he had been banned, once I explained I was accused of being corrupt and power hungry and power abusing and lovely other things. The current atmosphere really doesn't allow moderators to interact with members, which I believe would make the members happier, but however Moderators currently have to hold themselves on a higher level to maintain professionalism, and to avoid conflicts with members, which is quite sad really (sad not as in the negative way...as in like triste, for those of you Spaniards.)



As far as the Moderators go, I think the system is probably debatable about its effectiveness, because the previous system was more catch-all and filter it all out, whereas now they look at the big picture and focus on post reports to be able to sort things out, so they accomplish more with less staff. There are various pros and cons to each argument. I think, in an effort to keep this on track and civilized (and open), discussion should be about possible changes to the system itself, as opposed to attacking individual moderators for their incompetence, because that is when it will become a problem, as we are very protective of our staff, because they can't reply in-kind, we have to protect them from abuse. It hasn't gotten too bad so far, but I don't want a decent point to be turned into a 10 page flame-fest which then needs to be closed.

[Soil]

My comments in red.


In all honesty, half of those threads are soft rule breaking, and the other half aren't. Two were urgent I believe.

Urgent and nothign was done about it for a week

Also, as far as "report them" goes, its really what the moderation system is based on now. With such a huge forum, its impossible for them to catch everything, so they rely on reports. Whether that is good or bad is up for debate, however that is the reason why its so commonly quoted.

It still has the same number of active members as it did when Jack and Ash ran the forum. They managed then?

According to the list, the only mod who hasn't been online in more than a day (well, one was on "2" days ago, but that's because its past midnight, so its really not two days ago) is this bloke called "MAD", he claims to be a backup account, but methinks he's lying :eusa_danc

By active, I mean actually looking at the threads and editing posts. Otherwise mdos will just log on for 2 secs each day and say "I have been active" :)

While seemingly practical in principle, you have to realize that having four mods for every forum would give us over 100 mods...and 2 SMods per category would leave us 16 SMods...both of which are huge numbers.

Share ...
So each smod has 2 catagories. And each mod has 4 forums. Your point there was just stupid.

By increasing the number of staff, we slowly lose quality, and we have to hire worse and worse mods, just because we need more and more and more, thus we have a *lot* of mods, but a lot of bad ones too ;)

Not really. You get companies with 1000 staff, they dont loose quality? It all depends on their management. Before there used to be 3 smods and like 20-30 mods. They all used to be great. Now its easy to become smod if you are a mod. Before it was very hard, thats why mods tried so hard.



Unfortunately the situation then and the situation now are two very different times, I wish it weren't that way. I was friends with all the SMods and Admins then, but now I only know some of the SMods and most of the admins. Of course that could be because I work less in the forum department :P

Its the lack of communication between management and mods.

I think part of the problem with the current system is that it removes the Mod Level as a sort of place for a while, and we use more Super Mods than mods. Personally, I don't like it, because people can get promoted when doing less, and often there are more SMods than mods. I know that in the past, the work was very diligent, because there were 20 people competing for one spot, and there were people who were around for ages and took a while to earn their position.

Exactly.

As far as the lack of respect for mods, yes it is evident among some users. The main change is that users have (some anyway) decided that it is their right to abuse the mods and staff, and it is the mods and staff's job to take it, and not do anything about it. While we do like constructive criticism, members take snipes a lot now. Also, we can't have fun like we used to any more :P Once I banned Adzeh and within 5 minutes I had a thread asking why he had been banned, once I explained I was accused of being corrupt and power hungry and power abusing and lovely other things.

Jin, Ash and Jack had the reputation of abusing people. When I was smod, my name was changed to "ILoveMen" etc every day. Jin used to change my permissions so I couldnt see anything. Thats because they listened to members etc. Tbh, I dont see MAD doing that. He is more serious and lacks respect.


I think the best idea will be to bring back the old system.


3 Super Moderators Maximum
Atleast 20 Moderators


That way each mod will try their best to become super moderator.


It wasnt that much smaller. When Seacat and me were running it was like it is now.

Not condeming anyone or anything but back then we were all like a small little family lol, all the management and admins and super mods etc use to speak on a regular basis and we were older than quite alot of people now who are on here.

The moderators would also work there butts off to try and become higher up (maybe they still are like that now, i dont know).
And it looks like a lot of members don't respect the mod's, if they used to cheek the mods me and ash would do stuff to wind the user up, they soon would stop.

Good old days. MAD lacks respect so members abuse him and mods. Alot of moderators also lack respect. They seem to think they can do what they want. Before contact us e-mails were replied to, now they are just ignored.

Half mine just get ignored anyway (they arent emails which dont need replies).

[@xP]

Well in Discuss Anything. Out of the three mods, I have only seen you post and moderate. Maybe matt64 and devil.wont.Cry do edit. I cant really comment as I cant see mod logs etc.

But either way, better moderators or more moderators are needed in that forum.

I think every forum should have 4 moderators each.


I agree however that would be a hell of alot of staff.
Also Habbox needs more Super Moderators.

There not enough of them to help the normal forum moderators out.

[Soil]

I agree however that would be a hell of alot of staff.
Also Habbox needs more Super Moderators.

There not enough of them to help the normal forum moderators out.

Like I said in my previous post, each forum can have 4 moderators. And each moderator can mod 4 forums each. Thats how it used to be a year ago and there was no problems.
I dont have a clue why MAD changed a perfectly good system :S Bit stupid.

[PenguinFluid]

Like I said in my previous post, each forum can have 4 moderators. And each moderator can mod 4 forums each. Thats how it used to be a year ago and there was no problems.
I dont have a clue why MAD changed a perfectly good system :S Bit stupid.
imo its better now
iWhen everyday ur name got changed or perms mucked up that would be classed as abuse of power which you guys somehow already slated MAD for in a massive thread a while back which leads be to my point that he cant win. Whatever he does will lead to critiscm.

Ill tell you that moderators could potentially delete/move all posts in their forum and supermods could seriously screw the forum up in modcp therefore this thing called trust comes in

[today]

They take backups everyday at least.

So no harm is done (: And im more then sure Super Moderators cannot do everything they should for safety reasons.

[Soil]

After the new version of vB came out, hxf limited the powers super moderators got.

[today]

After the new version of vB came out, hxf limited the powers super moderators got.
Well yuh i expected that (:

[PenguinFluid]

Well yuh i expected that (:
what like

[today]

"Not able to delete threads, only soft delete"

Things which cant do loads of damage at once, im guessing after they've been a super moderator for 'x' weeks or months they gain more powers as there trusted.

[VPSwow]

Moderators can only sort problems in the areas they Mod.

Im sure ---MAD--- and J1mi are monitering us all the time and i agree some forums need more moderators but not all because for example, the forums i moderate not many rules are/ can be broken.

[today]

Thats why more active forums such as Discuss Anything, Spam, Web Design need a extra one or two moderators and not all moderators who are on trail will past, though good luck fi you do (:

[Sammeth.]

Has anyone ever suggested a Forum Council (sorry, this is related to a post earlier in the thread so it isnt too off topic :D). People who meet a few times a month and suggest way on how to improve the forum, build ideas, based on what the Habbox Public want. Cus as someone said earlier, Im not sure MAD is entirely in touch with what his audience wants, and it may be better for people who are well known on the forum, and know what they want to be part of helping.

But back to the not enough/no experienced moderators...I really havent noticed a problem. But then again I cant really be one to make an opinion on the matter as I spend a lot of my time in the staff forums sorting out my department :P But hey, I thought the first rule of a company/buisiness/service was "The customer is always right".

[today]

Has anyone ever suggested a Forum Council (sorry, this is related to a post earlier in the thread so it isnt too off topic :D). People who meet a few times a month and suggest way on how to improve the forum, build ideas, based on what the Habbox Public want. Cus as someone said earlier, Im not sure MAD is entirely in touch with what his audience wants, and it may be better for people who are well known on the forum, and know what they want to be part of helping.

But back to the not enough/no experienced moderators...I really havent noticed a problem. But then again I cant really be one to make an opinion on the matter as I spend a lot of my time in the staff forums sorting out my department :P But hey, I thought the first rule of a company/buisiness/service was "The customer is always right".
Well im not sure a council is needed but it might be good in some ways hmm you'll have to provde points and all as it could go both ways. :]

But MAD does reply to some threads here and Nvrspk4 does others and the odd one J1MI does.

[---MAD---]

After the new version of vB came out, hxf limited the powers super moderators got.
What like exactly? Deleting threads is not necessary in any circumstance, they can just be moved to a hidden forum which is basically the same thing from the public's point of view ;).

[PenguinFluid]

What like exactly? Deleting threads is not necessary in any circumstance, they can just be moved to a hidden forum which is basically the same thing from the public's point of view ;).
touch'e sir

[Sammeth.]

Well im not sure a council is needed but it might be good in some ways hmm you'll have to provde points and all as it could go both ways. :]

But MAD does reply to some threads here and Nvrspk4 does others and the odd one J1MI does.

Im not saying they dont! :(!!

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Im not saying they dont! :(!!
Oh right sos!!! :(

But i agree some idea's dont get put through to meetings when they should.

[Soil]

But hey, I thought the first rule of a company/buisiness/service was "The customer is always right".

No, MAD is always right here.


What like exactly? Deleting threads is not necessary in any circumstance, they can just be moved to a hidden forum which is basically the same thing from the public's point of view ;).

You just answered your own question :rolleyes:. Someone said we shouldnt get lots of mods / smods as the forum could get trashed / damaged. I said the smods now have limited power (so they cant delete threads).

[Lycan]

So Whos up for Communism? ,





http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=400843

... is this how Habbox Moderators deal with a real problem like E-Bullying.... thats just appalling

[Catzsy]

Has anyone ever suggested a Forum Council (sorry, this is related to a post earlier in the thread so it isnt too off topic :D). People who meet a few times a month and suggest way on how to improve the forum, build ideas, based on what the Habbox Public want. Cus as someone said earlier, Im not sure MAD is entirely in touch with what his audience wants, and it may be better for people who are well known on the forum, and know what they want to be part of helping.

But back to the not enough/no experienced moderators...I really havent noticed a problem. But then again I cant really be one to make an opinion on the matter as I spend a lot of my time in the staff forums sorting out my department :P But hey, I thought the first rule of a company/buisiness/service was "The customer is always right".


That is just an excellent suggestion! It would really show what people think of the forum from the outside in and enable good, positive and direct communication. :)

[today]

So Whos up for Communism? ,





http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=400843

... is this how Habbox Moderators deal with a real problem like E-Bullying.... thats just appalling
Actually its in the wrong forum so its pointless to that moderator and the user would have to report it in the report user forum :)

[Lycan]

Actually its in the wrong forum so its pointless to that moderator and the user would have to report it in the report user forum :)


So what its in the wrong forum, the moderator should move it or edit with a less iggnorant message.. all they've done is closed it and told the user in less words that its pointless to post that your getting harassed....

[Sunny.]

I myself have only been on trial for a few days now and it is quite hard to moderate. Im on alot of the day moderating but the thing I find hard is when moderating other forums where you do not have the power to edit the post. However im sure all mod's do their best.

[today]

So what its in the wrong forum, the moderator should move it or edit with a less iggnorant message.. all they've done is closed it and told the user in less words that its pointless to post that your getting harassed....
Its down to the user to report the user or tell them the problem not the moderator's they dont know the full story so they cant act whereas the user who is getting harrased can report the user to (Super) Moderators and the problem can be sorted.

Though as i said its in the wrong forum and as the moderator might not of known the full story so they cant do anything other then close it as it could be a false thread.

Though the moderator could of added a note explainging if they have a issue with a user to report them to a Moderator or Super Moderator

[Lycan]

Its down to the user to report the user or tell them the problem not the moderator's they dont know the full story so they cant act whereas the user who is getting harrased can report the user to (Super) Moderators and the problem can be sorted.

Though as i said its in the wrong forum and as the moderator might not of known the full story so they cant do anything other then close it as it could be a false thread.

Though the moderator could of added a note explainging if they have a issue with a user to report them to a Moderator or Super Moderator


Someone comes into the street and tells me that someone nearby keeps bullying them, and is going to do it again soon, do i just say 'Go Away... why are you telling me this' or do i stand near the kid and take him to the proper place.

The Moderator should attempt to find out the true and full story instead of just assuming it was a fake thread.

[today]

Someone comes into the street and tells me that someone nearby keeps bullying them, and is going to do it again soon, do i just say 'Go Away... why are you telling me this' or do i stand near the kid and take him to the proper place.

The Moderator should attempt to find out the true and full story instead of just assuming it was a fake thread.

I'll walk on how do i know the person who will bully the kid doesnt have a knife or a gun? I could be the the new person he picks on. (Example).

The Moderator might referr the thread to a Super Moderator but when it just says "blah blah is bullyign me!!!" it doesnt really look true where as a thread eariler was posted saying "blah blah is acting like me" and he stated many reasons, thats true and action could of been taken but the user didnt.

Its down to the user to take action not the Moderator, yes it should be their job but unless someone reports it they dont know it really happened.

[Lycan]

I'll walk on how do i know the person who will bully the kid doesnt have a knife or a gun? I could be the the new person he picks on. (Example).

The Moderator might referr the thread to a Super Moderator but when it just says "blah blah is bullyign me!!!" it doesnt really look true where as a thread eariler was posted saying "blah blah is acting like me" and he stated many reasons, thats true and action could of been taken but the user didnt.

Its down to the user to take action not the Moderator, yes it should be their job but unless someone reports it they dont know it really happened.


What kind of a chicken are you! , if you can do it, you should do it!

[today]

You shouldnt unless you know what your going into, there's plenty of reasons not to do it. And as i said how do i know the person didnt have a gun, knife or some sort of weapon which could either hurt myself rather badly or kill?

As i said its down to the user as Moderators have enough problems and work to do so unless they report it nothing will happen there's plenty of ways to report it then creating a thread which personally doesnt look real to me.

[Soil]

So Whos up for Communism? ,

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=400843

... is this how Habbox Moderators deal with a real problem like E-Bullying.... thats just appalling

Like I said, crap mods.


Actually its in the wrong forum so its pointless to that moderator and the user would have to report it in the report user forum :)

But MAD said it doesnt matter if we post in the wrong forum earlier :p
But it shouldnt have been closed. It should have been moved.

According to MADs post earlier, I can post Habbo stuff in Discuss Anything, and mods wont do anything. "Discuss Anything" - I want to discuss Habbo :) He said as long as it makes sense we can post in the forum. :rolleyes:
But then the forum desc says "Something which isnt covered by other forums" - why let people post about tv shows, vehicles, pc problems in Discuss Anything.

MAD really needs to think about what he says. I dont think he knows how to run a forum.

[today]

Like I said, crap mods.



But MAD said it doesnt matter if we post in the wrong forum earlier :p
But it shouldnt have been closed. It should have been moved.

According to MADs post earlier, I can post Habbo stuff in Discuss Anything, and mods wont do anything. "Discuss Anything" - I want to discuss Habbo :) He said as long as it makes sense we can post in the forum. :rolleyes:

MAD really needs to think about what he says. I dont think he knows how to run a forum.
There's limits to what he meant, im not sticking up for him im just expressing my view. (:

The other thread which was posted earilier was moved to the mod bin as it was the same "blah blah is bullying me" Unless the user reports the issue nothing will be done. And Mad means that Discuss Anything, your able to discuss anything OUTSIDE habbo. Though i think the rule should be changed if you wish to discuss food then you must use the food forum and not discuss anything, the discuss anything is infact pointless while other forums are there, the SPAM and Discuss Anythign should be merged as they do the same point and as i said the other forums cover everything, if not then spam/request new forum.

[Soil]

There's limits to what he meant, im not sticking up for him im just expressing my view. (:

The other thread which was posted earilier was moved to the mod bin as it was the same "blah blah is bullying me" Unless the user reports the issue nothing will be done. And Mad means that Discuss Anything, your able to discuss anything OUTSIDE habbo. Though i think the rule should be changed if you wish to discuss food then you must use the food forum and not discuss anything, the discuss anything is infact pointless while other forums are there, the SPAM and Discuss Anythign should be merged as they do the same point and as i said the other forums cover everything, if not then spam/request new forum.

I agree. Get rid of Discuss Anything and hire better mods.

[today]

While Discuss Anything is in place the other forums are in no use at all, if Discuss Anything was removed the other sub-forums would be more active as they would contain more threads and more users would actually reply to the certain threads, thus getting only the replies they would actually want and making the rule which is inplace 'post in the correct forum' actually workable. (:

The threads that are in Discuss Anythign should stay as they are in a hidden section or kept where they are as a Read Me forum only.

[Earthquake!]

Has anyone ever suggested a Forum Council (sorry, this is related to a post earlier in the thread so it isnt too off topic ). People who meet a few times a month and suggest way on how to improve the forum, build ideas, based on what the Habbox Public want. Cus as someone said earlier, Im not sure MAD is entirely in touch with what his audience wants, and it may be better for people who are well known on the forum, and know what they want to be part of helping.

But back to the not enough/no experienced moderators...I really havent noticed a problem. But then again I cant really be one to make an opinion on the matter as I spend a lot of my time in the staff forums sorting out my department But hey, I thought the first rule of a company/buisiness/service was "The customer is always right".

[today]

Has anyone ever suggested a Forum Council (sorry, this is related to a post earlier in the thread so it isnt too off topic ). People who meet a few times a month and suggest way on how to improve the forum, build ideas, based on what the Habbox Public want. Cus as someone said earlier, Im not sure MAD is entirely in touch with what his audience wants, and it may be better for people who are well known on the forum, and know what they want to be part of helping.

But back to the not enough/no experienced moderators...I really havent noticed a problem. But then again I cant really be one to make an opinion on the matter as I spend a lot of my time in the staff forums sorting out my department But hey, I thought the first rule of a company/buisiness/service was "The customer is always right".
Why copy a post which has been said already?

Pointless.

[Soil]

Has anyone ever suggested a Forum Council (sorry, this is related to a post earlier in the thread so it isnt too off topic ). People who meet a few times a month and suggest way on how to improve the forum, build ideas, based on what the Habbox Public want. Cus as someone said earlier, Im not sure MAD is entirely in touch with what his audience wants, and it may be better for people who are well known on the forum, and know what they want to be part of helping.

But back to the not enough/no experienced moderators...I really havent noticed a problem. But then again I cant really be one to make an opinion on the matter as I spend a lot of my time in the staff forums sorting out my department But hey, I thought the first rule of a company/buisiness/service was "The customer is always right".

Have you just copied what someone else said earlier :S

[today]

Yeah he did. :l

Anyway back to the topic (:
I'll like to see what others think about DA forum.

[Earthquake!]

Why copy a post which has been said already?

Pointless.
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[today]

Not going to quote, but why thanks. :)

[Earthquake!]

Not going to quote, but why thanks. :)
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[Soil]

Yeah he did. :l

Anyway back to the topic (:
I'll like to see what others think about DA forum.

Yea, making Discuss Anything a read only forum is a great idea.


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I wonder how long it takes to get that post edited (dont report it :P)

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(Did report it)

And yuh read only seems a good idea, saves moving all threads to spam, stops the users moaning about post counts, win win.

[Soil]

(Did report it)

And yuh read only seems a good idea, saves moving all threads to spam, stops the users moaning about post counts, win win.

If they were moved to spam, most peoples post count will go from 2000 to 0.

[Earthquake!]

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If they were moved to spam, most peoples post count will go from 2000 to 0.
Thats why i suggested to turn it into a read only forum ;)

[Soil]

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Grow up. You are very very hard, swearing at people on the internet.
I would like to see you do that in real life :) You would probs end up in hospital.

[Cixso]

I love the habbox council idea.

Would be great!

[Earthquake!]

Grow up. You are very very hard, swearing at people on the internet.
I would like to see you do that in real life :) You would probs end up in hospital.
rofl u really are a loser, first u aim a thread at a mod for doing his job and u get jealous cause u nevr got it, then ur aiming at random insult at me what i do all the time

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[Earthquake!]

I love the habbox council idea.

Would be great!
thanks


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[Lycan]

I love the habbox council idea.

Would be great!

In Theory berhaps but isn't that really what Habbox Experts do on HabboxWorld .. suggest new ideas that the forum needs, discuss the problems...

And what happened with that Danny,

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In Theory berhaps but isn't that really what Habbox Experts do on HabboxWorld .. suggest new ideas that the forum needs, discuss the problems...

And what happened with that Danny,
Yes, but HxF has many more members and is active more ;)

[Lycan]

Yes, but HxF has many more members and is active more ;)

Thats nothing to do with the problem at hand that happened with HabboxWorld.

[Soil]

If members select a group of people for HabboxForum Council it would be great. They can get a private forum and they could discuss the idea there with forum management.

Also, another forum where the members could just suggest ideas. And the council members will select the best ideas and discuss them in their private forum.

[today]

Thats nothing to do with the problem at hand that happened with HabboxWorld.
What was then?


If members select a group of people for HabboxForum Council it would be great. They can get a private forum and they could discuss the idea there with forum management.

Also, another forum where the members could just suggest ideas. And the council members will select the best ideas and discuss them in their private forum.
They wouldnt get staff permissions only a forum which they could see with Managment to discuss monlthy meetings with. :)

[Soil]

They wouldnt get staff permissions only a forum which they could see with Managment to discuss monlthy meetings with. :)

Thats what I meant. Hmm it would be hard to do meetings on a forum. Council members recommending members ideas and discussing them would be better imo.

[today]

Oh right, haha (Y) But how would the users get into the council, would Managment (Forum) pick 'x' users i think maybe 5 would be alright though afew more?

[Lycan]

What was then?

The Ideas were ignored and managment decided to add something pointless to the forum instead. and members who spammed and were disrespectful to other members were put in charge of it, as well as a completly crude way of organising the whole system.

If a council were to be made on Habbox, there is no way of enforcing that any descion made within the council will be done or even considered by the forum managers. as everyday people suggest sometihng in the feedback it never happens anyway!

[Soil]

Oh right, haha (Y) But how would the users get into the council, would Managment (Forum) pick 'x' users i think maybe 5 would be alright though afew more?

I said members should recommend pick them in my previous post. But I think if forum management pick them, it would be better.

[today]

This is why the council would have a say in things, and managment have to consider the points, and explain why it wouldnt be used or it would.

In full detail.

[Lycan]

This is why the council would have a say in things, and managment have to consider the points, and explain why it wouldnt be used or it would.

In full detail.


... Managment woudn't listen, and woudn't have to listen, people have been suggesting things with good reason for years with nothin happening, someone asked why can't we have the sex in postbit back and managed to get flammed by managment who said anyone too lazy to go to a profile wasn't worth having!

[today]

... Managment woudn't listen, and woudn't have to listen, people have been suggesting things with good reason for years with nothin happening, someone asked why can't we have the sex in postbit back and managed to get flammed by managment who said anyone too lazy to go to a profile wasn't worth having!
Gender was added though (:

[Soil]

What if coucil members vote on something?
But if it was something stupid then management should just ignore it.
If they pick people with brains, then the council should get good idea rather than stupid ones.

[Sammeth.]

Has anyone ever suggested a Forum Council (sorry, this is related to a post earlier in the thread so it isnt too off topic :D). People who meet a few times a month and suggest way on how to improve the forum, build ideas, based on what the Habbox Public want. Cus as someone said earlier, Im not sure MAD is entirely in touch with what his audience wants, and it may be better for people who are well known on the forum, and know what they want to be part of helping.

But back to the not enough/no experienced moderators...I really havent noticed a problem. But then again I cant really be one to make an opinion on the matter as I spend a lot of my time in the staff forums sorting out my department :P But hey, I thought the first rule of a company/buisiness/service was "The customer is always right".


That is just an excellent suggestion! It would really show what people think of the forum from the outside in and enable good, positive and direct communication. :)

Thanks very much :D I just thought it would make sense for the people who actually use the service to have their say on how it should improve and develop.


Has anyone ever suggested a Forum Council (sorry, this is related to a post earlier in the thread so it isnt too off topic ). People who meet a few times a month and suggest way on how to improve the forum, build ideas, based on what the Habbox Public want. Cus as someone said earlier, Im not sure MAD is entirely in touch with what his audience wants, and it may be better for people who are well known on the forum, and know what they want to be part of helping.

But back to the not enough/no experienced moderators...I really havent noticed a problem. But then again I cant really be one to make an opinion on the matter as I spend a lot of my time in the staff forums sorting out my department But hey, I thought the first rule of a company/buisiness/service was "The customer is always right".

Good post m8!!

[today]

Thanks very much :D I just thought it would make sense for the people who actually use the service to have their say on how it should improve and develop.



Good post m8!!


What if coucil members vote on something?
But if it was something stupid then management should just ignore it.
If they pick people with brains, then the council should get good idea rather than stupid ones.

As you and i both said thats why Managment would pick the users and they'll all have to discuss the good and bad points to each suggestion and only ones which could benefit the forum and Habbox would be even thought about otherwise its wasting time.

[Sammeth.]

If members select a group of people for HabboxForum Council it would be great. They can get a private forum and they could discuss the idea there with forum management.

Also, another forum where the members could just suggest ideas. And the council members will select the best ideas and discuss them in their private forum.

There should be an election process where members say nominate people, then we get a shortlist and people can vote via a poll for the final list of X's. Would be fun! :D

[today]

There should be an election process where members say nominate people, then we get a shortlist and people can vote via a poll for the final list of X's. Would be fun! :D
I disagree with that as the popular users would clearly win and they might not be as good, thats why i suggested Managment pick as they'll know users who may be a good choice. :P

[Lycan]

I disagree with that as the popular users would clearly win and they might not be as good, thats why i suggested Managment pick as they'll know users who may be a good choice. :P

But then theres just a chance of people who are friends or like the taste of colon to get the placement. i'd personally love to lead a council to sort the problems on this forum, but i am nether popular or the friend of managment.

[today]

But then theres just a chance of people who are friends or like the taste of colon to get the placement. i'd personally love to lead a council to sort the problems on this forum, but i am nether popular or the friend of managment.
Exaclty, thats why users who often make threads and suggest ideas in this forum would be choosen, this would mean managment going through some threads and picking out names and discussing but they'll know who often make vaild points and what not.

Is that a better way ? ;)

[Lycan]

Exaclty, thats why users who often make threads and suggest ideas in this forum would be choosen, this would mean managment going through some threads and picking out names and discussing but they'll know who often make vaild points and what not.

Is that a better way ? ;)


I don't think you quite understood my post...

[Sammeth.]

I just think it would be better for members to pick who are going to represent them. But I can see the complications it would cause.

[Lycan]

Perhaps users could work with the managment to decide it, much like the current application system with a few changes.



A Member would submit an application/referal for another member they wish to be in the council in a PM to a staff member, after say a week, theese nominations are counted the top 20 are placed into a short list where both staff and members can decide in a polling system, whre managment can veeto certain members publicly with reasoning,

[Catzsy]

As you and i both said thats why Managment would pick the users and they'll all have to discuss the good and bad points to each suggestion and only ones which could benefit the forum and Habbox would be even thought about otherwise its wasting time.

Well it would be a lot more transparent and you are likely to have a more productive, balanced and diverse representation if the members nominated a council. Obviously staff nominated by the Senior Management would be part of the council too otherwise it could get one sided.

[Sammeth.]

Maybe 5 can be picked by staff and 5 should be picked by members. Or similar! Although this is unlikely to happen, I still think it should. It would be good for HabboxForum to get more in touch with the members.

[today]

I just think it would be better for members to pick who are going to represent them. But I can see the complications it would cause.
It would cause alot of problems i guess a Application system would be fair as long as it asked plenty of questions so no idiots applied. ;)


Well it would be a lot more transparent and you are likely to have a more productive, balanced and diverse representation if the members nominated a council. Obviously staff nominated by the Senior Management would be part of the council too otherwise it could get one sided.
Yeah, equal number of staff and non members would of course have to be looked into so it was fair for everyone.

[Lycan]

you'd need an odd number for majority voting.

[today]

Not really, if it was the same when voting for good and bad then i guess Managment woulde get the final say.

(: Otherwise it would be unfair for the staff or the users.

[Lycan]

i was thinking , 4 members, 4 ModeratorsorSupermoderatorsorstaff and 2 Managers/Admins :)

[today]

i was thinking , 4 members, 4 ModeratorsorSupermoderatorsorstaff and 2 Managers/Admins :)

4 Normal members (Picked by applications)
4 Staff members (Picked by applications / Any department - as they still use the forum)
2 Senior Staff (One being Asst Site Manager / Other Forum)
1 Managment (MAD)

fair?

[Lycan]

Perhaps a greater numbr of Normal members as they are almost equal to senior staff and managment anyway....

but i'm sure this idea of a council will be ignored anyway

[today]

Perhaps a greater numbr of Normal members as they are almost equal to senior staff and managment anyway....

but i'm sure this idea of a council will be ignored anyway

Hmm, i guess as it leaves only four members and more staff (overall)

Maybe
4 Staff (Normal Only)
4 Members
MAD &Asst. Forum Manager

[Lycan]

Hmm, i guess as it leaves only four members and more staff (overall)

Maybe
4 Staff (Normal Only)
4 Members
MAD &Asst. Forum Manager


Yes this is what i was suggesting to start with :)


Edit: The 4 Staff would need to be from each department of the Habboxforum ... so each department can have its say

[today]

Yes this is what i was suggesting to start with :)


Edit: The 4 Staff would need to be from each department of the Habboxforum ... so each department can have its say
Oh i see, my bad then. ):

But as you said this wont happen (or i dont think it will?) As im sure there will be some reason to not have it and all, though we've discussed many good reasons ;D

Edit:
Yeah, if there willing otherwise the manager would? :] How many departments do we have?
Articles, News, Rares, Moderation. (Graphics, does that count?)

[Lycan]

Oh i see, my bad then. ):

But as you said this wont happen (or i dont think it will?) As im sure there will be some reason to not have it and all, though we've discussed many good reasons ;D

Edit:
Yeah, if there willing otherwise the manager would? :] How many departments do we have?
Articles, News, Rares, Moderation. (Graphics, does that count?)



I'm sure theres almost no chance, but if we put forward a well thoughtout plan might have some chance.

[today]

Then lets get to it (:

I actually hope this does happen, even if i didnt get picked to be part of the council it wouldnt bother me too much as the overall idea is to help the forum generally.

Right so the actual bad points to this are..

- Not getting picked / Mad's favs being picked.
I guess, a application form would be released to staff and users with roughly 5-6 questions depending from how to inprove, why you should be part of the council and how active you'll be and such, how long you've been on the forum, how often you post new idea's and all, this would stop some of the idiots applying and giving the actual intrested users a chance of getting a place o nthe council. Though detailed answers would be needed of course!

- Might not listen even in council
The memebrs in the council, including mad, must discuss the idea and say there's 6 members at least four must agree to the idea otherwise its not going to happen, if that makes sense, most of the members of the council must agree to the idea first and good and bad points must be spoke about and how to remove more bad points to make it fair for all the forum users, along with MAD must discuss the idea with the members so its fair. Along with if a idea has the support from the council it must be looked into UNLESS its a plugin, addon which may make it worse unless its officialy supported by vBulletin (Such as the blog system)

- Council gets ignored / scrapped
All users of the council must stay active, including MAD and if any unactive members they'll get voted out and a new member will take place by either the application system again or a vote on who should join, and as said in the point above the council must get spoke to and the support from MAD must be put into effect.

[Lycan]

Well, If Each Department on the forum (How many are there???) in its self decides a representive.

Then we have Mad + say Nvr / Josh etc etc whoever.


AS you say member choosing might be a problem which is why i think the managment should have only a final say in the matter rather then an actual choosing part.


The Activity of the Council should be organised by 1 Person, a member who can organise meetings etc and act as a public rep to the rest of the forum ... (as a already staff member maybe ignored as members may seem to be more trustworthy as they were voted in by the members rather then selected)

I would also not mind not being a part of it, although i would actually want to be involved... not important tho, as you say it would be for the better of the forum

[today]

Well, If Each Department on the forum (How many are there???) in its self decides a representive.

Then we have Mad + say Nvr / Josh etc etc whoever.


AS you say member choosing might be a problem which is why i think the managment should have only a final say in the matter rather then an actual choosing part.


The Activity of the Council should be organised by 1 Person, a member who can organise meetings etc and act as a public rep to the rest of the forum ... (as a already staff member maybe ignored as members may seem to be more trustworthy as they were voted in by the members rather then selected)

Yes, this is why i think a application system would be best similar to Moderation which has many questions and such. Though having a 'leader' may be a good idea but then it would become a stagg usergroup and its not really, though what would the 'rep' do in general? I think letting MAD have the final say is alright though before he got the final say maybe the idea must have 4/6 votes for it before MAD had a look? This way it would stop him wasting time and just generally saying no to all the idea's.

Let's name the departments

News
Articles
Graphics
Moderation
Habbox Help Desk

Thats all? So one from each department correct? Thats 5 for staff, including MAD and another senior member 7 Staff in total then we'll need 5 normal users to equal it out (not including mad and senior staff)

As i said they'll discuss the ideas at a later date after most of the council said yes.

[Lycan]

Yes, this is why i think a application system would be best similar to Moderation which has many questions and such. Though having a 'leader' may be a good idea but then it would become a stagg usergroup and its not really, though what would the 'rep' do in general? I think letting MAD have the final say is alright though before he got the final say maybe the idea must have 4/6 votes for it before MAD had a look? This way it would stop him wasting time and just generally saying no to all the idea's.

Let's name the departments

News
Articles
Graphics
Moderation
Habbox Help Desk

Thats all? So one from each department correct? Thats 5 for staff, including MAD and another senior member 7 Staff in total then we'll need 5 normal users to equal it out (not including mad and senior staff)

As i said they'll discuss the ideas at a later date after most of the council said yes.

A Majority vote would be essential anyway, shows a general opinion if something is liked or not and requires both members and staff liking the idea. before its pushed forward. Mad or another managment rep would need to be throughout to point out if things are impossible, why they are impossible and how we can get around them.


Perhaps a list of requirments for anyone applying. idea?

[today]

A Majority vote would be essential anyway, shows a general opinion if something is liked or not and requires both members and staff liking the idea. before its pushed forward. Mad or another managment rep would need to be throughout to point out if things are impossible, why they are impossible and how we can get around them.


Perhaps a list of requirments for anyone applying. idea?


Must have posted at least 'x' threads suggesting idea's (Simple search will result that, in the feedback forum)
Must have been a member 'x' months, weeks (To show they are active and do enjoy Habbox)
Must have less then 'x' infractions
Friendly attutide
Communication Skills
Able to come online 'x' times a week to discuss ideas.
Able to write long essays (to backup your points)
Why you'll like to be part of the team.
Able to come up with other ideas
Able to read long threads and see both sides of a idea.They alright, anymore?

[Cixso]

Must have posted at least 'x' threads suggesting idea's (Simple search will result that, in the feedback forum)
Must have been a member 'x' months, weeks (To show they are active and do enjoy Habbox)
Must have less then 'x' infractions
Friendly attutide
Communication Skills
Able to come online 'x' times a week to discuss ideas.
Able to write long essays (to backup your points)
Why you'll like to be part of the team.
Able to come up with other ideas
Able to read long threads and see both sides of a idea.They alright, anymore?

I think the infraction rule shouldn't the there, as people do change.

[today]

I think the infraction rule shouldn't the there, as people do change.
I did wonder i was going to say unless the infractions are based upon swearing and generally being rude (If you had other infractions it wouldnt matter / depend what they were)

But i werent sure.

[Soil]

Any comments from management?

[the wombats]

Must have posted at least 'x' threads suggesting idea's (Simple search will result that, in the feedback forum)
Must have been a member 'x' months, weeks (To show they are active and do enjoy Habbox)
Must have less then 'x' infractions
Friendly attutide
Communication Skills
Able to come online 'x' times a week to discuss ideas.
Able to write long essays (to backup your points)
Why you'll like to be part of the team.
Able to come up with other ideas
Able to read long threads and see both sides of a idea.They alright, anymore?

i hate that infraction one. the new mods are basically wrecking other peoples chances of becoming a mod by giving out loads of pointless warnings and infractions. i agree with your criteria. i mean, there's a lot of people who have a good few infractions and can't be hired cos if it who'd be better than this bunch.

[today]

Any comments from management?
Woah 14 pages, lmao.

Yuhh comments would be nice mate. :]


Edit: Craig see my other post.

[Catzsy]

i hate that infraction one. the new mods are basically wrecking other peoples chances of becoming a mod by giving out loads of pointless warnings and infractions. i agree with your criteria. i mean, there's a lot of people who have a good few infractions and can't be hired cos if it who'd be better than this bunch.

I agree with Craig. Infractions can be a symptom of a member's frustration with the forum. I am not saying all because there is always a small hardcore who just like to break rules - as simple as that. I don't believe a majority matters because policy won't be made at the council. That will remain as it should with Senior Habbox Management. It really is more of a think tank and
a way to let them know what the members see as improvements perhaps any problems arising in Habbox in the general organisation. It should be constructive and not used as a 'shoutbox' so to speak.

[today]

I agree with Craig. Infractions can be a symptom of a member's frustration with the forum. I am not saying all because there is always a small hardcore who just like to break rules - as simple as that. I don't believe a majority matters because policy won't be made at the council. That will remain as it should with Senior Habbox Management. It really is more of a think tank and
a way to let them know what the members see as improvements for Habbox in general. It should be constructive and not used as a 'shoutbox' so to speak.
It would really depend, we've discussed many other ways and i think we ended up with the its get discussed between the council then passed onto MAD.

Though the way you put it, there's really no need to have one as the 'feedback' forum does what you want.

[Callum.]

for once saurav, i actually agree with you.

[today]

I really think mad should comment on this, im sure he's viewed it again since his last reply, seems its had so many good replies and good comments, feedback, discussions and overall seems a good idea (:

[Yoshimitsui]

I think a council that is made up of certain members and is supervised by a member of staff would be a good idea to discuss things for the forum and hear more from the members views where you are able to put forward your intentions and thoughts to senior management which can then review the ideas.

I would certainly agree with this idea if it can be run in a sensible way :)

[today]

I think the thread title should be changed as were discussing the council now and to mister, i like to fool Hollywood, thanks for your feedback yuh (: if it happened then as i and Lycan and others said (sorry forgot your name!) Applications would be hard so only the most mature people would be picked, and its good =]

[Catzsy]

It would really depend, we've discussed many other ways and i think we ended up with the its get discussed between the council then passed onto MAD.

Though the way you put it, there's really no need to have one as the 'feedback' forum does what you want.

Well no it doesn't really because its not really organised in a way that allows people to focus on matters, express their opinions and brainstorm for positive ideas as a Council would. There is no way that policy would be made there as I stated before but staff and designated members getting together for the good of Habbox could only be positive I think :) Doesn't mean that we should still not have the feedback forum.

[Soy]

I think we need more moderators or moderators who actually do their job properly

I was looking at Discuss Anything - Took me 5 minutes and I found all these. You really need better moderators. Also, most of them are over a week old.
http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?...0&postcount=10 - pointless post
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=399616 - wrong forum
http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?...87&postcount=6 - pointless post. nothing to do with the topic.
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=399525 - wrong forum
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=398975 - already a thread on it
http://habboxforum.com/showpost.php?...4&postcount=12 - pointless post again
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=398916 - already posted in sports forum. so multiple thread on same topic.
http://habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=397929 - wrong forum

^^ Most of them might get edited now. I dont think the forum moderators are doing a great job in Discuss Anything (apart from mattmeister)
Above are just examples, I am sure there are alot more.

I know a lot of threads are posted each day, but I am sure if I can find them by just looking around the forum, moderators can too.

Oh and please dont just say "report them"

Yeah hxf needs more dedicated and experienced mod's and mad should stop firing the good ones

[today]

Well no it doesn't really because its not really organised in a way that allows people to focus on matters, express their opinions and brainstorm for positive ideas as a Council would. There is no way that policy would be made there as I stated before but staff and designated members getting together for the good of Habbox could only be positive I think :) Doesn't mean that we should still not have the feedback forum.
I didnt say we couldnt keep the feedback forum, as that would be the base for the ideas put forwards to further discussion with the council. And i see your point, i guess i read it wrong, my bad :)

right, lets get more senior staff to read ;]

Edit: To the dude below, let it drop yea? Im sure he doesnt fire them for no reason, or he'll be fired himself.

[Soil]

The thing is, we still need better mods or more dedicated moderators.

Also, how about this:

Council members will look at the habbox feedback forum. They will select the best ideas and their own ideas.
So the Habbox Feedback forum will be for normal members to post ideas which Council Members can develop.

Hxf management, please reply.

[today]

The thing is, we still need better mods or more dedicated moderators.

Also, how about this:

Council members will look at the habbox feedback forum. They will select the best ideas and their own ideas.
So the Habbox Feedback forum will be for normal members to post ideas which Council Members can develop.

Hxf management, please reply.
Yeah, thats what Catszy means i think? (:

MAD's online in the Flight Sim forum, ;)

[the wombats]

The thing is, we still need better mods or more dedicated moderators.

Also, how about this:

Council members will look at the habbox feedback forum. They will select the best ideas and their own ideas.
So the Habbox Feedback forum will be for normal members to post ideas which Council Members can develop.

Hxf management, please reply.
i said to mad that he needs to hire decent mods. this is what he said.

*Removed*

not a bad idea. but i don't wanna be staff. :rolleyes:

Edited by ---MAD--- (General Manager): Please do not post private messages on the forum.

[today]

Lol, thats charming?
Though i werent actually hinting. The fact saurav wont ever be hired, and craig doesnt want to be staff. Well i dont think saurav would get hired? Dunno :S

Though i just want a reply to the council idea lol. :]]

[Lycan]

Lol, thats charming?
Though i werent actually hinting. The fact saurav wont ever be hired, and craig doesnt want to be staff. Well i dont think saurav would get hired? Dunno :S

Though i just want a reply to the council idea lol. :]]

Sorry Hollywood, we can continue discussing the council idea now if you want.


Dog was on the brink of death... and still is... :( :( :( :(


Anyway... why arn't i on that list, surely i've moaned the most about problems, lol, don't want to be a mod tho, applied enough times to get a clear message

[Soil]

i said to mad that he needs to hire decent mods. this is what he said.



not a bad idea. but i don't wanna be staff. :rolleyes:

Aww MAD, I love you too :rolleyes:
You will probs get infractioned for quoting a private convo.


Lol, thats charming?
Though i werent actually hinting. The fact saurav wont ever be hired, and craig doesnt want to be staff. Well i dont think saurav would get hired? Dunno :S

Though i just want a reply to the council idea lol. :]]

Na, we will never be hired. If I wanted to be hired, I wouldn't be here complaining about management.

Oh, MAD, the members pay the money you get for running habbox, so give us some respect. Otherwise you will get no where in life.

[today]

Sorry Hollywood, we can continue discussing the council idea now if you want.


Dog was on the brink of death... and still is... :( :( :( :(


Anyway... why arn't i on that list, surely i've moaned the most about problems, lol, don't want to be a mod tho, applied enough times to get a clear message
Hi sexi council bud discussion dude. :] I've not applied but yer. Where were we?


Aww MAD, I love you too :rolleyes:
You will probs get infractioned for quoting a private convo.



Na, we will never be hired. If I wanted to be hired, I wouldn't be here complaining about management.
Yuh tru, but like were discussing new ideas though so not really complaining about mgmt.

[Soil]

Yuh tru, but like were discussing new ideas though so not really complaining about mgmt.

I complained in the first few pages :p
Anyway, MAD, reply pls.

All my threads in Habbox Feedback forum seem to get extremely popular. Hmm maybe MAD should start listening to us rather than think the forum is fine.

[today]

Oh right, forgot. :] Yuh MAD you've read the thread or you wouldnt know who was replying all the time and who's names was in the thread (from msn convo craig posted)

So its only fair (: We've made vaild points too.

[Lycan]

Must have posted at least 'x' threads suggesting idea's (Simple search will result that, in the feedback forum)
Must have been a member 'x' months, weeks (To show they are active and do enjoy Habbox)
Must have less then 'x' infractions
Friendly attutide
Communication Skills
Able to come online 'x' times a week to discuss ideas.
Able to write long essays (to backup your points)
Why you'll like to be part of the team.
Able to come up with other ideas
Able to read long threads and see both sides of a idea.They alright, anymore?

This was the last post i didn't respond too.

i'll highlight thoose i don't agree with or think there are problems with.


The Feedback threads maybe a problem as its only very fe wpeople who post in here and most are moaning anyway which give infractions.... but it would limit the number of applicants to thoose who would really help

And infractions... i think knowing what the infraction was for might help, i have two profile infractions at the momment which doesn't reflect on my forum acitivity just that i'm not online between the time i'm warned and the time i get an infraction



x number of months i think would help... perhaps 6-12 months on Habbox to stop people just comming on and spamming


sorry if my responses are delayed... dog has a heart problem :(:(:(:(



edit: hmmm to the above post... me thinks it the threadsi post in get popular , maybe i argue too much.... but nvr says i argue well sooooo ;) :D lol. agh all i can do is pretend to smile damn dog

[Soil]

The only problem about management picking who should be in the council is they might pick suck-ups. They probs wont pick people who complain (before anyone says U R SAYING THAT COS U WANNA BE IN THE COUNCIL, i am not)

[Lycan]

Mad is right on one side of that conversation from earlier, the people who moan the most would probebly be the better people to have on the council, because they are the ones noticing problems and comming up with ideas

[today]

The Feedback threads maybe a problem as its only very fe wpeople who post in here and most are moaning anyway which give infractions.... but it would limit the number of applicants to thoose who would really help
I said that as it would show who actually does come up with idea's i nthe first place and not applying to get in the council without good enough reason

And infractions... i think knowing what the infraction was for might help, i have two profile infractions at the momment which doesn't reflect on my forum acitivity just that i'm not online between the time i'm warned and the time i get an infraction
Yeah, we said that the infractions must relate to the council such as "rude infractions would count agaisnt you, as you need to be friendly"

x number of months i think would help... perhaps 6-12 months on Habbox to stop people just comming on and spamming
Exaclty ;]



The only problem about management picking who should be in the council is they might pick suck-ups. They probs wont pick people who complain (before anyone says U R SAYING THAT COS U WANNA BE IN THE COUNCIL, i am not)
Im sure they wouldnt.

Edit: Lycan, yes, the applciation form would require you to write essay's and have a good view and know what your going to post about an such :)

[Alkaz]

True, but there's still another batch of moderators to come yet i think?
if the moderators arent doing their jobs properly now then they cannot become smods cause they arent good enough


*cough* *hint* *wink wink*

[today]

if the moderators arent doing their jobs properly now then they cannot become smods cause they arent good enough


*cough* *hint* *wink wink*
Yeah there on trial, though there's some older moderators who could become Supers if needed :)

[the wombats]

The only problem about management picking who should be in the council is they might pick suck-ups. They probs wont pick people who complain (before anyone says U R SAYING THAT COS U WANNA BE IN THE COUNCIL, i am not)

that's where you wouldn't want suck ups. you'd want people who have different opinions and willing to tell everyone them. if a suck up was in it, then what good would it do? they'd just agree with management.

[Alkaz]

Yeah there on trial, though there's some older moderators who could become Supers if needed :)
Mmm not many :P and they have to gain alot of trust with higher managment/managers to get smod position too not just be a good mod

[today]

Exaclty, Saurav you would be a good person to have on the council, even if MAD does hate you, as you'll post your view (which would be needed) And you can write essays, if needed ;)

And to user above, true but im sure some have earnt it just have to wait for empty places.

[Lycan]

Perhaps a conversation with Mad or another higher managment offical is in order so we can talk about this with them. otherwise if it stays in this thread it might die

[today]

Perhaps a conversation with Mad or another higher managment offical is in order so we can talk about this with them. otherwise if it stays in this thread it might die
I've asked craig to bug him on msn, he wont though all blame craig!

[Lycan]

I've asked craig to bug him on msn, he wont though all blame craig!


lol, i wonder if thats because hes getting bugged on msn by someone who picks his nose and humps strangers legs or because he doesn't agree with the idea, perhaps getting the support of some of the senior staff such as Nvr and Joshuar among others might help.

craig ... bug them as well

[the wombats]

I've asked craig to bug him on msn, he wont though all blame craig!

he be away / busy. and he's not replying. :(

[today]

he be away / busy. and he's not replying. :(
As he knows you want us for this. :l


lol, i wonder if thats because hes getting bugged on msn by someone who picks his nose and humps strangers legs or because he doesn't agree with the idea, perhaps getting the support of some of the senior staff such as Nvr and Joshuar among others might help.

craig ... bug them as well
Well one super moderator has agreed this is a good idea :) Need a few more innit.

[Axel]

As your well known and you actually been around for a good while :]

There have been plenty of good mods who were only around for a couple of months and not well know before behind hired, like J1MI, Nixt (Garion) etc.

[today]

They've been known on other forums for awhile along with some new Managment before hand which gave them a advantage.

Though its best to have been on the forum longer for many reasons. (: Unless otherwise stated as i said if we ever get a reply from MAD, i'll flood his inbox at this rate, lol. He'll pick if it went ahead.

[Lycan]

There have been plenty of good mods who were only around for a couple of months and not well know before behind hired, like J1MI, Nixt (Garion) etc.

sadly the majority of people who signed up in the last 6 months are complete idiots.... e5 is a pure example...

But i guess thats true about the people you quoted,

[today]

Yeah, though i wouldnt count if it was before 6 months, it really depends on the user's history and if there actually known and what their fame is like, for example e5/ earthquake everyone know's there idiots so they wouldnt get picked where as users like, actually i wont say as its biased.

[Soil]

Seeing as mgmt aren't replying, other members please reply with your opinion on this. There are a lot of people viewing this thread.

[today]

i said to mad that he needs to hire decent mods. this is what he said.

*Removed*

not a bad idea. but i don't wanna be staff. :rolleyes:

Edited by ---MAD--- (General Manager): Please do not post private messages on the forum.

Mad does view this as Craig got infracted today ;) lol.

But rly, MAD you clearly view this, and you might as well reply. :) Save us all yuh.

[the wombats]

Seeing as mgmt aren't replying, other members please reply with your opinion on this. There are a lot of people viewing this thread.


Mad does view this as Craig got infracted today ;) lol.

But rly, MAD you clearly view this, and you might as well reply. :) Save us all yuh.
...

me thinks he doesn't agree with members opinions and wants hx to be run how he thinks it should be - ignoring members opinions.

[today]

Hmm vaild point mister pinkeh <-- where did that come from?

Is he viewing now aye.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 3 (2 members and 1 guests)
someone is ^^

[Lycan]

...

me thinks he doesn't agree with members opinions and wants hx to be run how he thinks it should be - ignoring members opinions.


All he has to do is ban us to make the problem go away.... just means an idea we've worked on this thread will be lost.

[today]

All he has to do is ban us to make the problem go away.... just means an idea we've worked on this thread will be lost.
We've had fun discussing it and we wont be banned (: I've got a cleanish record. ;]

[Earthquake]

We've had fun discussing it and we wont be banned (: I've got a cleanish record. ;]

Was their really any need for that comment, Seriously, Most of your posts have been spammed and pointless.

OT:

The thread, Imo has been created out of jealously and I would bet my 8 fingers your application wasn't accepted, Maybe matmeister may make a view errors here and their but he is a new moderator, He is here on his on behalf and is working volentelary, Most posts in this thread have not been needed, As well as mine, BUT I don't see why the threads called ''More/better moderators needed'' Habbox management employed a load the other day, give them a break and I'm sure their improve some time, We all need a freshen up / get use to being a MOD, Remember most moderators have worked on other forums with diffrent rules then this so they act diffrently to others, I've shared my view, I won't be returning to this thread to view the comments.

[today]

Was their really any need for that comment, Seriously, Most of your posts have been spammed and pointless.

OT:

The thread, Imo has been created out of jealously and I would bet my 8 fingers your application wasn't accepted, Maybe matmeister may make a view errors here and their but he is a new moderator, He is here on his on behalf and is working volentelary, Most posts in this thread have not been needed, As well as mine, BUT I don't see why the threads called ''More/better moderators needed'' Habbox management employed a load the other day, give them a break and I'm sure their improve some time, We all need a freshen up / get use to being a MOD, Remember most moderators have worked on other forums with diffrent rules then this so they act diffrently to others, I've shared my view, I won't be returning to this thread to view the comments.
Actually i didnt apply to be a Moderator and the Council point is a vaild and a very good point made by a user. We discussed the council point and we've actually came up with a promising plan if a admin ever replied though. (: You cant just come on here and start having ago at us when you've been banned for dont know how long / not enough.

Though i'll be happy if you dont reply.

[Marsquake]

Was their really any need for that comment, Seriously, Most of your posts have been spammed and pointless.

OT:

The thread, Imo has been created out of jealously and I would bet my 8 fingers your application wasn't accepted, Maybe matmeister may make a view errors here and their but he is a new moderator, He is here on his on behalf and is working volentelary, Most posts in this thread have not been needed, As well as mine, BUT I don't see why the threads called ''More/better moderators needed'' Habbox management employed a load the other day, give them a break and I'm sure their improve some time, We all need a freshen up / get use to being a MOD, Remember most moderators have worked on other forums with diffrent rules then this so they act diffrently to others, I've shared my view, I won't be returning to this thread to view the comments.

STOP SUCKING UP YOU ******* ******. STOP TRYING TO GET MAD TO LIKE YOU. NO ONE LIKES YOU. JUST GO YOU PLEB END. :@

[Earthquake]

Actually i didnt apply to be a Moderator and the Council point is a vaild and a very good point made by a user. We discussed the council point and we've actually came up with a promising plan if a admin ever replied though. (: You cant just come on here and start having ago at us when you've been banned for dont know how long / not enough.

Though i'll be happy if you dont reply.
Actully I wasn't even going to read the reply until I saw it was from you and what you said on your clone to me on PM, Okay first of all, The only part I was talking to you was the part where I told you not to keep on spamming, The other part was nothing to do with you, I was aiming the rest of it at the thread creator, I don't want to sound rude but I do not really care what you've just disscussed, The whole council idea was not yours and it has NOT been approved by an admin, And I pretty much know it will not be used as the Habbox Feedback is more or less the place to spread your idea and get views from diffrent users, Now I'm happy with peoples views, but the post you have just written out is nothing to do with you in the first place, You have shown a disrespect to me and my friends on habbox, You've practically tryed to be as two faced as you can and push me to a point to write all this out wasting 3 minutes of my life.

[today]

Actully I wasn't even going to read the reply until I saw it was from you and what you said on your clone to me on PM, Okay first of all, The only part I was talking to you was the part where I told you not to keep on spamming, The other part was nothing to do with you, I was aiming the rest of it at the thread creator, I don't want to sound rude but I do not really care what you've just disscussed, The whole council idea was not yours and it has NOT been approved by an admin, And I pretty much know it will not be used as the Habbox Feedback is more or less the place to spread your idea and get views from diffrent users, Now I'm happy with peoples views, but the post you have just written out is nothing to do with you in the first place, You have shown a disrespect to me and my friends on habbox, You've practically tryed to be as two faced as you can and push me to a point to write all this out wasting 3 minutes of my life.

For your information i dont create clones i stick with one profile and thats it, so 'party' is not me, even get a ip check done if you must. I never said the idea was mine, it was suggested by Catzsy and sammeth afew pages back which myself and lycan then discussed further to support their posts its called working together to bring the ocmmunity as one. We also didnt say it was approved by admin, we said a super moderator thinks its a good idea, i personally hate you, i admit it but as i said i wouldnt waste my time making a clone. (: Sos. Now back on topic alright?

Good.

[Lycan]

Actully I wasn't even going to read the reply until I saw it was from you and what you said on your clone to me on PM, Okay first of all, The only part I was talking to you was the part where I told you not to keep on spamming, The other part was nothing to do with you, I was aiming the rest of it at the thread creator, I don't want to sound rude but I do not really care what you've just disscussed, The whole council idea was not yours and it has NOT been approved by an admin, And I pretty much know it will not be used as the Habbox Feedback is more or less the place to spread your idea and get views from diffrent users, Now I'm happy with peoples views, but the post you have just written out is nothing to do with you in the first place, You have shown a disrespect to me and my friends on habbox, You've practically tryed to be as two faced as you can and push me to a point to write all this out wasting 3 minutes of my life.


I think it would be wiser to stay on topic, this isa serrious thread with real problems, which we have real ideas for... what it does not need is someone arguing and being immature asuing mods and managment to see it as a joke.

[Earthquake]

Sorry Lycan, Your a respected Habbox member and very respected by myself, I don't want to get into your bad books and I'll keep on topic as much as I can.

Okay OT: I don't really find the thread that much serious, Every moderator on the forum are very much keeping us all in good hands, They work from an hour a day to make sure we have the safest content to view, And I think if it wasn't for these moderators 2 years ago habbox would have already been a arguementative place in some forums, And I probally would have the lowest respect on this forum out of everyone, Some people will disagree that I already am, But thats my view, And OTAgain: I for one can say this forum is pretty much 100% secured by all moderators, I have witnessed myself and others being punished in a matter of minutes for breakign certain forum rules, I just come of a ban, And its pretty much good they did ban me, I was risking my account being perm banned, They saved people from viewing really bad content and me viewing a perm banned account, As I've already said this forum is 100% secured and their is really no point in employing any more moderators as everything else is all secured and I don't see how habbox could struggle, And once again Mattmeister has done nothing bad then just edit a view posts and move threads into places what I feel and he would have the apropeate place, Now instead of argueing and suggesting things we don't really need, Maybe put down the sticks and say thankyou, Thankyou for taking some of your life away to help this forum be much more presentable.

[today]

Maybe you should actually read the thread fully, you'll see we are discussing the council idea not moderation.

And were not discussing what matt does ir not do, he's a good moderator and i hope he does pass, please stay to the topic we are on about. We know what moderators do, i've been one so im fully aware what happens. :)

[Earthquake]

Maybe you should actually read the thread fully, you'll see we are discussing the council idea not moderation.

And were not discussing what matt does ir not do, he's a good moderator and i hope he does pass, please stay to the topic we are on about. We know what moderators do, i've been one so im fully aware what happens. :)
Well then the thread has gone oftopic, I am replying to the thread starters post, In the mean time, Thankyou and I have already expressed my opinion on the council Idea, It will NOT work, If you remember correctly, Habbo have already tryed a council, It never really worked as every single idea the coucil threw at callie FAILED. And I will bet my lucky socks this one wouldn't work also, Yes its an okay idea and would be much fun becomming one, But we don't really need it.

[Marsquake]

Well then the thread has gone oftopic, I am replying to the thread starters post, In the mean time, Thankyou and I have already expressed my opinion on the council Idea, It will NOT work, If you remember correctly, Habbo have already tryed a council, It never really worked as every single idea the coucil threw at callie FAILED. And I will bet my lucky socks this one wouldn't work also, Yes its an okay idea and would be much fun becomming one, But we don't really need it.

*REMOVED*

Edited by Yoshimitsui (Super Moderator): Please don't post insulting comments and avoid the filter.

[Lycan]

Well then the thread has gone oftopic, I am replying to the thread starters post, In the mean time, Thankyou and I have already expressed my opinion on the council Idea, It will NOT work, If you remember correctly, Habbo have already tryed a council, It never really worked as every single idea the coucil threw at callie FAILED. And I will bet my lucky socks this one wouldn't work also, Yes its an okay idea and would be much fun becomming one, But we don't really need it.


This would be on a forum basis, and we already have the same feelings about MAD, but if you don't try.... then you'll never find out, progress was never made by standing still.

[JackHb]

"i wish he just die." PLZ DO AS PPL SAY PLZ!!!! JUST MAKE OUR DAY AND DIE U ******* ARTARD!!! :@:@

See now this is a where the mods should be doing something lol.
Turn all his forum permissions off for a couple of days would be the trick back in the day lol.

[today]

Well then the thread has gone oftopic, I am replying to the thread starters post, In the mean time, Thankyou and I have already expressed my opinion on the council Idea, It will NOT work, If you remember correctly, Habbo have already tryed a council, It never really worked as every single idea the coucil threw at callie FAILED. And I will bet my lucky socks this one wouldn't work also, Yes its an okay idea and would be much fun becomming one, But we don't really need it.
Actually it failed as Callie didnt listen but what we're suggesting wouldnt as it would include more then one management thus it being seen and actually action being taken. Along with if you've expressed your opinion o nthe topic, dont bother replying as you'll be spamming, hve you not heard "if you dotn try, you wont learn" ? As i said the council would include staff and users where as habbo council was boring and had stuck ups so they just agreed, Habbox Council would have members who wouldnt just say "yes" they'll actually provide points to backup their statement which would provide some discussion, so idea's wouldnt just be done or not done. This is where habbo did it wrong :) They hired all the wrong people.


"i wish he just die." PLZ DO AS PPL SAY PLZ!!!! JUST MAKE OUR DAY AND DIE U ******* ARTARD!!! :@:@omg, u r evil.


Edit: hiya jack xox

[Marsquake]

See now this is a where the mods should be doing something lol.
Turn all his forum permissions off for a couple of days would be the trick back in the day lol.

omg hi jack! only you, ash and jin were capable of that. :( also the bans and messing with everything.


BRING BACK JACK TO SORT THE FORUM!!!! :D:D:D:D

[JackHb]

yoyo waa gwaninnn :p

Lol the forum is fine, it just looks like some members need bringing down a level!
It seems like the fun-ness and messing round has dissapeard and its all done by the book ( I know i aint making sense but you should be able to get it)

[today]

yoyo waa gwaninnn :p

Lol the forum is fine, it just looks like some members need bringing down a level!
It seems like the fun-ness and messing round has dissapeard and its all done by the book ( I know i aint making sense but you should be able to get it)
Craig said on msn to apply for da manager job. cus ur cool <-- his words. (:

[the wombats]

yoyo waa gwaninnn :p

Lol the forum is fine, it just looks like some members need bringing down a level!
It seems like the fun-ness and messing round has dissapeard and its all done by the book ( I know i aint making sense but you should be able to get it)

half the members are publess prats though who think anything is funny. would you actually return as FM if it was offered?

[today]

half the members are publess prats though who think anything is funny. would you actually return as FM if it was offered?
He would, i'll make him xox

[Lycan]

lol, this is rather funny from a msn side and the posting side.


... what does Jack think of the council idea? ...

[today]

Shouldnt Jack get 'staff' permissions for his hard work and all, i swear past fm's did?

[JackHb]

Haha Forum manager, thats to much of a low rank..lol just messing.
Nah i wouldnt have enough time, i would consider become admin again but only if ash came back aswell haha.
I was gonna come back a few months back to help out with few things. I work full time now though lol and then i am normally out after work till about 10.


I aint really read alot about the council idea, what is it? Sierk was on about setting up a council ages ago.

[today]

Jackkk you well yeah i wont say but you should go back admin (: Haha i well miss our chats on ms tbh. ;[ gash.

Council... sierk.. haha. WOOT ;D

[Soil]

Was their really any need for that comment, Seriously, Most of your posts have been spammed and pointless.

OT:

The thread, Imo has been created out of jealously and I would bet my 8 fingers your application wasn't accepted, Maybe matmeister may make a view errors here and their but he is a new moderator, He is here on his on behalf and is working volentelary, Most posts in this thread have not been needed, As well as mine, BUT I don't see why the threads called ''More/better moderators needed'' Habbox management employed a load the other day, give them a break and I'm sure their improve some time, We all need a freshen up / get use to being a MOD, Remember most moderators have worked on other forums with diffrent rules then this so they act diffrently to others, I've shared my view, I won't be returning to this thread to view the comments.

If you read all the posts then you will realise this thread wasnt created out of jealousy. If you are Earthquake! then you are just a waste of time - so please dont spam my thread.
How do you know the mods have worked on different forums :S Most probs havent ever worked for a forum.
And why did you return when you said you wouldnt :S


Okay OT: I don't really find the thread that much serious, Every moderator on the forum are very much keeping us all in good hands, They work from an hour a day to make sure we have the safest content to view, And I think if it wasn't for these moderators 2 years ago habbox would have already been a arguementative place in some forums, And I probally would have the lowest respect on this forum out of everyone, Some people will disagree that I already am, But thats my view, And OTAgain: I for one can say this forum is pretty much 100% secured by all moderators, I have witnessed myself and others being punished in a matter of minutes for breakign certain forum rules, I just come of a ban, And its pretty much good they did ban me, I was risking my account being perm banned, They saved people from viewing really bad content and me viewing a perm banned account, As I've already said this forum is 100% secured and their is really no point in employing any more moderators as everything else is all secured and I don't see how habbox could struggle, And once again Mattmeister has done nothing bad then just edit a view posts and move threads into places what I feel and he would have the apropeate place, Now instead of argueing and suggesting things we don't really need, Maybe put down the sticks and say thankyou, Thankyou for taking some of your life away to help this forum be much more presentable.

That first line made me laugh! Do you sit there looking at how many moderators are online and time them? Can you see mod logs? Unless you can, dont say stupid things. You DON'T have any respect anyway. Also MAD didnt run the forum 2 years ago .. good old days. No one was flaming mattmeister :S You really need to read the posts properly.



Well then the thread has gone oftopic, I am replying to the thread starters post, In the mean time, Thankyou and I have already expressed my opinion on the council Idea, It will NOT work, If you remember correctly, Habbo have already tryed a council, It never really worked as every single idea the coucil threw at callie FAILED. And I will bet my lucky socks this one wouldn't work also, Yes its an okay idea and would be much fun becomming one, But we don't really need it.

No ... you can discuss things which someone else posted in the thread. You are a suck up so you should know that.
Just because it didn't work for Habbo doesnt mean it wont work here. With that attitude, you will be a failure.

[Soil]

Back to my original post ...



what nick said :P

That's just a pointless post :S You are a moderator, you should be setting an example. -rep

devil.wont.cry - Not only does he/she makes pointless posts, but I havent seen him/her edit any posts or be active.

[Devil.Wont.Cry]

Back to my original post ...




That's just a pointless post :S You are a moderator, you should be setting an example. -rep

devil.wont.cry - Not only does he/she makes pointless posts, but I havent seen him/her edit any posts or be active.

it wasent a pointless post as i was agreeing with what nick had said.

[Lycan]

Once again it appears an argument is on the way in a serrious thread... instead of replying with another short almost pointless thread why don't you make you own remarks about ideas and problems brought up in this thread such as the council

[Earthquake]

How can it be a serious thread, Have you considered reading the first post? The moderator was just doing his job, Thats all to it, If you have a problem with a moderator please PM there manager instead of making them look like an idiot.

[Lycan]

No... the orignal thread pointed out threads weeks old that mods had ignored that he had easily found and were later moved to the 'hidden' forum.

So please read entire thread before looking like an Idiot

[Earthquake]

No... the orignal thread pointed out threads weeks old that mods had ignored that he had easily found and were later moved to the 'hidden' forum.

So please read entire thread before looking like an Idiot
As already said by Lyca, Mods do their best, its hard to keep up with people that deliberetly try and make their jobs hard

[Soil]

As already said by Lyca, Mods do their best, its hard to keep up with people that deliberetly try and make their jobs hard

Na, all they have to do is look at your posts :)
Seriously, stop posting in this thread. No one wants an argument.


it wasent a pointless post as i was agreeing with what nick had said.

The thread starter's question was answered. There was nothing to "agree" with. If everyone replied with what you said, it would just be plain stupid.

If I made a thread asking who is FM, and 100 people replied with "MAD", that would be stupid.
Before people used to just quote someone if they agreed with them. That was getting annoying so they changed the rules and did it so you cant just quote someone and not add something.
If someone was asking for other peoples opinion etc, thats when you say "i agree". Or something else.
But your post was plain stupid.
The fact that you gave me a revenge rep is stupider.
^^
I think I just prooved that this mod needs to be fired.

Edited by opensourcehost (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not be rude regarding other forum staff/members.

[le harry]

Na, all they have to do is look at your posts :)
Seriously, stop posting in this thread. No one wants an argument.



The thread starter's question was answered. There was nothing to "agree" with. If everyone replied with what you said, it would just be plain stupid.

If I made a thread asking who is FM, and 100 people replied with "MAD", that would be stupid.
Before people used to just quote someone if they agreed with them. That was getting annoying so they changed the rules and did it so you cant just quote someone and not add something.
If someone was asking for other peoples opinion etc, thats when you say "i agree". Or something else.
But your post was plain stupid.
The fact that you gave me a revenge rep is stupider.
^^
I think I just prooved that this mod needs to be fired.

aye, i gave him a bad rep saying "Don't spam, that was not needed", and he revenge repped me. What a mature moderator :rolleyes:

[Catzsy]

...

me thinks he doesn't agree with members opinions and wants hx to be run how he thinks it should be - ignoring members opinions.

Well its the easiest option to ignore and let a thread run out of steam - quite a common practice. Sierk, however does take notice. The thread is going around in circles a bit now though. Perhaps somebody could sum up what the members are requesting to be considered. I would but I have a feeling that it would then be a non starter. ;)

[joshuar]

Seeing as nobody else in Management have replied I think I will.

As Jack mentioned, there were plans for a Habbox Council, however, the idea never made sense to me as it was quite bizzarly setup. I believe that a simple system of picking a few opinionated members to be on the council would be recommended, we can then discuss ideas in a hidden forum about ideas for the forum.

This thread is no longer about Moderators, but as threads naturally evolve as everything else does, I will not say it is off topic as the topic has changed.

The reason moderators are put through a trial is to train and test them, naturally, some havent been showing qualities of a moderator and will be removed when they are checked at the end of their trial, if a real problem is had with the moderators then you should contact ---MAD--- and J1MI. I can't really speak out for moderation as it isn't my area.

In order for a community to function correctly then ideas from the users must be taken on by the Management, I think that a council would benefit the forum so that they can discuss ideas for the forum. I am all for a Council :)

Hopefully that covered most points, if it didn't then my apologies and I will reply again if you have any more points/ideas :)

[Soil]

Thanks Joshuar. You seem to be the only one from management who actually listens to members. not sucking up]. MAD etc dont seem to care ... selfish.

[today]

Joshuar, indeed as we've said a council which would discuss idea's further would be a good move towards Habbox, im sure if you asked MAD or Sierk, or other management to read the council idea fully they'll be able to comment.

[Earthquake]

Why would anyone saying your sucking up, Your free to express your opinion, Friendship in anyway you want, Giving someone a compliement and people down grading you saying ''SUCK UP!!1'' Are some way jealous? Maybe convinced they should be sucked up to aswell.

OT: I never really got that too much stuck into the idea of a ''Habbox Council'' And I just want to ask, If their was one what would it actully be involving? Because theirs pretty much the council can't do, They can't exactly put in a view on ''*************** Should be banned'' So please answer the question, What will they be doing and involving around the forum.

[today]

Why would anyone saying your sucking up, Your free to express your opinion, Friendship in anyway you want, Giving someone a compliement and people down grading you saying ''SUCK UP!!1'' Are some way jealous? Maybe convinced they should be sucked up to aswell.

OT: I never really got that too much stuck into the idea of a ''Habbox Council'' And I just want to ask, If their was one what would it actully be involving? Because theirs pretty much the council can't do, They can't exactly put in a view on ''*************** Should be banned'' So please answer the question, What will they be doing and involving around the forum.

Alright, i'll answer that (:

Habbox Council, what is it?
The habbox council will include 'x' users and 'x' staff including two senior managment users which they'll discuss the ideas posted on Habbox Feedback forum in a private forum thus giving full detailed answers without other users posting i nthe threads when they actually dont know what the thread is about and just trying to stop this idea for what ever reason without fully backing up their point, the council would discuss all idea's when posted each week and they'll discuss why it would be good or bad to have the idea supported by Habbox, as i said having a private forum for this stop any user posting and messing the whole idea up, such as this thread has had many posts which are not needed, as i said the private forum would only be used by the council, this gives senior managment a clear view on what users would think and they'll able to reply without too much hassle and moaning from all the users. They'll not discuss who should be banned as Super Moderators are there to do so, the council would just reply to idea's in the forum and they'll discuss them untill the senior memebers would come up with a final agreement, as i said its a very good idea and the private forum would contain ONLY answers and not spamming making the idea easy to read the good and bad points. You cant do that in the feedback forum.

(:

[Earthquake]

Alright, i'll answer that (:

Habbox Council, what is it?
The habbox council will include 'x' users and 'x' staff including two senior managment users which they'll discuss the ideas posted on Habbox Feedback forum in a private forum thus giving full detailed answers without other users posting i nthe threads when they actually dont know what the thread is about and just trying to stop this idea for what ever reason without fully backing up their point, the council would discuss all idea's when posted each week and they'll discuss why it would be good or bad to have the idea supported by Habbox, as i said having a private forum for this stop any user posting and messing the whole idea up, such as this thread has had many posts which are not needed, as i said the private forum would only be used by the council, this gives senior managment a clear view on what users would think and they'll able to reply without too much hassle and moaning from all the users. They'll not discuss who should be banned as Super Moderators are there to do so, the council would just reply to idea's in the forum and they'll discuss them untill the senior memebers would come up with a final agreement, as i said its a very good idea and the private forum would contain ONLY answers and not spamming making the idea easy to read the good and bad points. You cant do that in the feedback forum.

(:
Thanks +rep, I am rather fond of the idea now.

Seems I have given you rep in the last 24hours or something, I'll +Rep you tommorow :)

[---MAD---]

I myself like the idea of a council for the forum however there are a few things to consider and resolve before taking the idea on board and implementing it. This idea, if sucessful could also expand to other areas of Habbox such as rare values, habboxlive and any other community based departments.

1. Most ideas that are suggested in feedback forum are read and considered anyway (unless its like "FIRE HIM" or "FIRE HER").

2. Most ideas myself and the rest of management find useful to the rest of the community, implement within days/weeks after the thread was made. IE When the gender thing was wanted back, even if it was a mistake, it was done the same day or maybe a few days later. A council might slow this process down a lot if they all have to agree on things.

3. I think whoever we pick for the council, some will still not like what the council does and continue using the feedback forum to make threads and post in them very often.

4. Regarding moderation etc. Council members can't really do anything about this since they are not mods/smods/admins - they are regular members of the forum which means they cannot comment on how good the moderation/staff are as its not their place to and is unfair on the mods/smods/admins that work so hard then get attacked or degraded by the council just because the admin/smods/mod infracted them or whatever.

5. It seems that saurav or maybe others see this council as a way to get mods/smods/admins fired which is definitely not the case.

I do like the idea and I think if done properly and the members hand picked, the council should work out well especially if members are picked from different categories of the forum (ie users that post in the general category / games cat etc etc).

I will have a think about how to set it up and have a talk with sierk about it. The reason I didn't respond earlier on is because I felt like I should monitor the thread and see what others think, gathering the suggestions and noting them down before coming to a conclusion.

Thanks everyone for your time and feedback, very much appreciated.

---MAD---
General Manager & Forum Manager

[Earthquake]

I myself like the idea of a council for the forum however there are a few things to consider and resolve before taking the idea on board and implementing it. This idea, if sucessful could also expand to other areas of Habbox such as rare values, habboxlive and any other community based departments.

1. Most ideas that are suggested in feedback forum are read and considered anyway (unless its like "FIRE HIM" or "FIRE HER").

2. Most ideas myself and the rest of management find useful to the rest of the community, implement within days/weeks after the thread was made. IE When the gender thing was wanted back, even if it was a mistake, it was done the same day or maybe a few days later. A council might slow this process down a lot if they all have to agree on things.

3. I think whoever we pick for the council, some will still not like what the council does and continue using the feedback forum to make threads and post in them very often.

4. Regarding moderation etc. Council members can't really do anything about this since they are not mods/smods/admins - they are regular members of the forum which means they cannot comment on how good the moderation/staff are as its not their place to and is unfair on the mods/smods/admins that work so hard then get attacked or degraded by the council just because the admin/smods/mod infracted them or whatever.

5. It seems that saurav or maybe others see this council as a way to get mods/smods/admins fired which is definitely not the case.

I do like the idea and I think if done properly and the members hand picked, the council should work out well especially if members are picked from different categories of the forum (ie users that post in the general category / games cat etc etc).

I will have a think about how to set it up and have a talk with sierk about it. The reason I didn't respond earlier on is because I felt like I should monitor the thread and see what others think, gathering the suggestions and noting them down before coming to a conclusion.

Thanks everyone for your time and feedback, very much appreciated.

---MAD---
General Manager & Forum Manager
We waited over a day for your reply. You replied. You owned the thread.

Another well told speech from ---MAD---

[---MAD---]

We waited over a day for your reply. You replied. You owned the thread.

Another well told speech from ---MAD---
I wouldn't call it a speech but ok :).

[today]

I've actually repleid to your post in the private message MAD, i'll wait and see your reply.

Though thanks for actually reading and discussing it (:

[joshuar]

I think that the council would be good to discuss bigger issues of the forum from a users point of view. Or something which is bothering the users and is getting alot of attention (Without directing it at staff).

Things like the gender in post bit doesn't really require a full discussion as the AGMs didn't discuss it, it was just done.

If it is thought through properly then it could work very well :)

[Lycan]

I think that the council would be good to discuss bigger issues of the forum from a users point of view. Or something which is bothering the users and is getting alot of attention (Without directing it at staff).

Things like the gender in post bit doesn't really require a full discussion as the AGMs didn't discuss it, it was just done.

If it is thought through properly then it could work very well :)

earlier in the thread we already began discussing how it could be sorted and implimented/organised. i guess the 'ball' is in the hands on the managers / sirek now to agree to or not.

[---MAD---]

I think that the council would be good to discuss bigger issues of the forum from a users point of view. Or something which is bothering the users and is getting alot of attention (Without directing it at staff).

Things like the gender in post bit doesn't really require a full discussion as the AGMs didn't discuss it, it was just done.

If it is thought through properly then it could work very well :)
I agree :).

[today]

I think that the council would be good to discuss bigger issues of the forum from a users point of view. Or something which is bothering the users and is getting alot of attention (Without directing it at staff).

Things like the gender in post bit doesn't really require a full discussion as the AGMs didn't discuss it, it was just done.

If it is thought through properly then it could work very well :)

Yes, as i said in the pm to MAD,



2) Of course idea's such as that wouldnt need any talking of as its rather easy to do, however idea's such as the 'blog' system for example that could of been discussed in full detail, the good and bad points then you would have the final say, this would give a good discussion of the idea and showing both points to the idea.

4) I agree, the council memebrs would NOT be staff, they'll simply just have a private forum to view they'll not get any staff permissions as its not a official staff job, unless stated otherwise. (: Thus having no say in moderation, unless a new 'change' was in effect.

5) Yes, as i said in my last point the council would not be a staff group and not get any extra features on the forum apart from the private forum. Having the council job would not give you any extra chance of moderation jobs.

[Sammeth.]

Im glad my off topic suggestion has snowballed in the hands of Saurav, Hollywood and Lycan :D Hopefully it will expand even further. Imo it should :P

[today]

Haha, yeah thanks for briging it up randomly mister :] I'll +rep when i can, need to spread.

Though you gave many vaild points along with Catszy too ;D

[Soil]

5. It seems that saurav or maybe others see this council as a way to get mods/smods/admins fired which is definitely not the case.


No we don't :S
I actually think the super mods on this forum are good. Just the moderators who dont work properly. If they did, it wouldnt take over 10 days to sort out some rule breakings. I know some get sorted out quickly, but in some forum such as Discuss Anything, they seem to take ages. I was suggesting you ask a super mod to spend more time moderating that forum with 4 forum moderators.
I only asked you to fire one moderator (for his attitude) - devil (cant remember the full name).
Me and others involved in the idea have never said this is our way to get smods fired etc. Council members (like Hollywood said) will only suggest ideas for the forums. If they feel the moderating isnt done properly, they could suggest that you hire more mods.

I honestly think you should step down as Forum Manager. As you have so many jobs, I am sure you have limited time on the forum (as a forum manager).

[Catzsy]

I myself like the idea of a council for the forum however there are a few things to consider and resolve before taking the idea on board and implementing it. This idea, if sucessful could also expand to other areas of Habbox such as rare values, habboxlive and any other community based departments.

1. Most ideas that are suggested in feedback forum are read and considered anyway (unless its like "FIRE HIM" or "FIRE HER").

2. Most ideas myself and the rest of management find useful to the rest of the community, implement within days/weeks after the thread was made. IE When the gender thing was wanted back, even if it was a mistake, it was done the same day or maybe a few days later. A council might slow this process down a lot if they all have to agree on things.

With a good Habbox Council, perhaps there wouldn't be so much negative feedback in the section. Its up to you to see the Council is not slow and discusses things promptly.

3. I think whoever we pick for the council, some will still not like what the council does and continue using the feedback forum to make threads and post in them very often.

4. Regarding moderation etc. Council members can't really do anything about this since they are not mods/smods/admins - they are regular members of the forum which means they cannot comment on how good the moderation/staff are as its not their place to and is unfair on the mods/smods/admins that work so hard then get attacked or degraded by the council just because the admin/smods/mod infracted them or whatever.

Why shouldn't ordinary members comment on the standard of moderation on the forum and honestly is that what Habbox has become when you say ITS NOT THEIR PLACE.
Lol :D I have to laugh or I would cry about this comment knowing the old philosophy of 'free speech' on this forum. You know bad moderation/insufficient training reflects badly on the good moderators and I am sure they support any measure that improves the system. Anyway I am sure the council would be mature enough not to attack anybody personally. I think you underestimate the intelligence of both the forum members and the moderators here.

5. It seems that saurav or maybe others see this council as a way to get mods/smods/admins fired which is definitely not the case.

I do not see that the forum is likely to vote for members to do this and I think this comment is very harsh on Saurav who was a very good Super Moderator in his day but perhaps is not up to date with the current rules. This is a pretty negative way of looking at things.

I do like the idea and I think if done properly and the members hand picked, the council should work out well especially if members are picked from different categories of the forum (ie users that post in the general category / games cat etc etc).

Good idea but who would pick them? The idea is that the Forum would vote for a proportion anywise it is only natural for staff to pick people who have similar views to themselves and defeat the whole object of the exercise.I will have a think about how to set it up and have a talk with sierk about it. The reason I didn't respond earlier on is because I felt like I should monitor the thread and see what others think, gathering the suggestions and noting them down before coming to a conclusion.

Thanks everyone for your time and feedback, very much appreciated.

---MAD---
General Manager & Forum Manager


Thanks and maybe reply to say you are in fact considering it on another occasion and will get back to the members or they might conclude that they are being ignored?

[Mr.OSH]

:) I really like the idea of a council but I have a few concerns regarding how these members would be picked as you have 2 main ways of choosing them.

1) People who can do the job and can be rational and suggest good ideas
2) People who are popular and the public vote in

You may get some people who are popular and can do the job but unfortunately if you can't find lots of these people you'll end up with either a set of people who have good ideas and can be rational but they would probably get stick/complains from members like the moderation team and other department of Habbox do at the moment or you'd have a group of popular people who might not be able to be as good at being part of the council as others. I'd love to see a council but it's all about how these members would be picked and how the council would be ran. I'm not totally sure if this would stop tons of complains regarding departments etc but it could be worth a try. Maybe it would be a good idea if there were a few people picked from each section who post lots in that section and have a good knowledge of that section itself who could report ideas back to the members of that section and or take suggests from members about that section. Another concern I have is as MAD said this could take quite a bit longer to implement ideas. If there is a good idea that the management all agree should be added then it would normally be added straight away and members would not have to wait quite a while for it to appear. However with a council although you'd get a more accurate idea of exactly how much the update is needed it could take time to assemble the members of the council as not everyone is on at one time. If this went ahead if you had quite a few council members, management and possibly Representatives from departments how would you structure this? This wouldn't be easy but if it was done correctly it could pay off.

I can see that it would help members get more involved in decision making in the forum but at the end of the day it is the managements choice what is implemented into the forum, which is why they are the management after all. If all the management agree on something the council wouldn't get a huge say in the matter unless anyone raised huge concerns about a change or the majority of the forum disagreed, which you cannot tell from a council all the time as they are just individuals after all and the chances are it would go ahead anyway. This isn't because the members aren't listened to this is because at the end of the day if the management completely disagree and have a good reason too, it is not realistically going to come into place. This can be because normal members do not always see the reasons that the management can for not adding an idea. For example the management know how the forums security works and they may disagree on an idea because of that however normal member may not know about how this works therefore may not like the fact an idea was rejected.

If this goes ahead it could either work really well or just not work properly and I can see that people would always argue over who deserves to be councillors and still would complain if things didn't go the way they wanted it to. Yes, people want things to be ran the way that the forum members want it to be ran, however not all the member will agree on one outcome and it is the majority that has to count and with a council you would probably get a lot of personal feelings mixing with the choice of ideas which would not be showing what the majority want added or implemented which suggests that this forum in some respects is a better idea as the management can see if the majority of members agree with something or if they do not.

I agree 100% with fairness to the members and allowing them to have their say in the way Habbox is ran but would a small number of council Representatives be able to show what the majority want? Possibly but this would require a lot of time and you'd have to choose people who were only interested in what the majority wanted and not what they wanted personally and I'm not sure if this would work or not. I'd like to see this go ahead and how it would be ran but I do have certain doubts personally towards whether this would work or not although if it did it would be great.

[today]

People moan about not getting picked as a Moderator so there will be some moaning but that can be expected (:

[Cixso]

:) I really like the idea of a council but I have a few concerns regarding how these members would be picked as you have 2 main ways of choosing them.

1) People who can do the job and can be rational and suggest good ideas
2) People who are popular and the public vote in

You may get some people who are popular and can do the job but unfortunately if you can't find lots of these people you'll end up with either a set of people who have good ideas and can be rational but they would probably get stick/complains from members like the moderation team and other department of Habbox do at the moment or you'd have a group of popular people who might not be able to be as good at being part of the council as others. I'd love to see a council but it's all about how these members would be picked and how the council would be ran. I'm not totally sure if this would stop tons of complains regarding departments etc but it could be worth a try. Maybe it would be a good idea if there were a few people picked from each section who post lots in that section and have a good knowledge of that section itself who could report ideas back to the members of that section and or take suggests from members about that section. Another concern I have is as MAD said this could take quite a bit longer to implement ideas. If there is a good idea that the management all agree should be added then it would normally be added straight away and members would not have to wait quite a while for it to appear. However with a council although you'd get a more accurate idea of exactly how much the update is needed it could take time to assemble the members of the council as not everyone is on at one time. If this went ahead if you had quite a few council members, management and possibly Representatives from departments how would you structure this? This wouldn't be easy but if it was done correctly it could pay off.

I can see that it would help members get more involved in decision making in the forum but at the end of the day it is the managements choice what is implemented into the forum, which is why they are the management after all. If all the management agree on something the council wouldn't get a huge say in the matter unless anyone raised huge concerns about a change or the majority of the forum disagreed, which you cannot tell from a council all the time as they are just individuals after all and the chances are it would go ahead anyway. This isn't because the members aren't listened to this is because at the end of the day if the management completely disagree and have a good reason too, it is not realistically going to come into place. This can be because normal members do not always see the reasons that the management can for not adding an idea. For example the management know how the forums security works and they may disagree on an idea because of that however normal member may not know about how this works therefore may not like the fact an idea was rejected.

If this goes ahead it could either work really well or just not work properly and I can see that people would always argue over who deserves to be councillors and still would complain if things didn't go the way they wanted it to. Yes, people want things to be ran the way that the forum members want it to be ran, however not all the member will agree on one outcome and it is the majority that has to count and with a council you would probably get a lot of personal feelings mixing with the choice of ideas which would not be showing what the majority want added or implemented which suggests that this forum in some respects is a better idea as the management can see if the majority of members agree with something or if they do not.

I agree 100% with fairness to the members and allowing them to have their say in the way Habbox is ran but would a small number of council Representatives be able to show what the majority want? Possibly but this would require a lot of time and you'd have to choose people who were only interested in what the majority wanted and not what they wanted personally and I'm not sure if this would work or not. I'd like to see this go ahead and how it would be ran but I do have certain doubts personally towards whether this would work or not although if it did it would be great.

I have to agree in some aspects.

But Jay!! You write a essay every time you post!

[Soil]

I think the FORUM management get together and decide on 6 people who they will will be the best council members. I dont see the point in rare values managers or articles managers recommending the members as this council will only be concentrating on the FORUM.

Those six people should be people who can put up a good argument, are active and listen to members.
Don't pick people who have the highest post as most of those post could be utter rubbish.

Thats my opinion.

[Lycan]

:) I really like the idea of a council but I have a few concerns regarding how these members would be picked as you have 2 main ways of choosing them.

1) People who can do the job and can be rational and suggest good ideas
2) People who are popular and the public vote in

You may get some people who are popular and can do the job but unfortunately if you can't find lots of these people you'll end up with either a set of people who have good ideas and can be rational but they would probably get stick/complains from members like the moderation team and other department of Habbox do at the moment or you'd have a group of popular people who might not be able to be as good at being part of the council as others. I'd love to see a council but it's all about how these members would be picked and how the council would be ran. I'm not totally sure if this would stop tons of complains regarding departments etc but it could be worth a try. Maybe it would be a good idea if there were a few people picked from each section who post lots in that section and have a good knowledge of that section itself who could report ideas back to the members of that section and or take suggests from members about that section. Another concern I have is as MAD said this could take quite a bit longer to implement ideas. If there is a good idea that the management all agree should be added then it would normally be added straight away and members would not have to wait quite a while for it to appear. However with a council although you'd get a more accurate idea of exactly how much the update is needed it could take time to assemble the members of the council as not everyone is on at one time. If this went ahead if you had quite a few council members, management and possibly Representatives from departments how would you structure this? This wouldn't be easy but if it was done correctly it could pay off.

I can see that it would help members get more involved in decision making in the forum but at the end of the day it is the managements choice what is implemented into the forum, which is why they are the management after all. If all the management agree on something the council wouldn't get a huge say in the matter unless anyone raised huge concerns about a change or the majority of the forum disagreed, which you cannot tell from a council all the time as they are just individuals after all and the chances are it would go ahead anyway. This isn't because the members aren't listened to this is because at the end of the day if the management completely disagree and have a good reason too, it is not realistically going to come into place. This can be because normal members do not always see the reasons that the management can for not adding an idea. For example the management know how the forums security works and they may disagree on an idea because of that however normal member may not know about how this works therefore may not like the fact an idea was rejected.

If this goes ahead it could either work really well or just not work properly and I can see that people would always argue over who deserves to be councillors and still would complain if things didn't go the way they wanted it to. Yes, people want things to be ran the way that the forum members want it to be ran, however not all the member will agree on one outcome and it is the majority that has to count and with a council you would probably get a lot of personal feelings mixing with the choice of ideas which would not be showing what the majority want added or implemented which suggests that this forum in some respects is a better idea as the management can see if the majority of members agree with something or if they do not.

I agree 100% with fairness to the members and allowing them to have their say in the way Habbox is ran but would a small number of council Representatives be able to show what the majority want? Possibly but this would require a lot of time and you'd have to choose people who were only interested in what the majority wanted and not what they wanted personally and I'm not sure if this would work or not. I'd like to see this go ahead and how it would be ran but I do have certain doubts personally towards whether this would work or not although if it did it would be great.

You mention forum security, myself and quite a few others on the forum do understand why ideas can't go ahead because of this and won't even suggest some ideas because of it, you're assuming that all normal members do not understand the way a forum works just because they are not staff.

several times you mention, how would it be structured and surely represenative would show what a majority want, is that not what a represenative is? , someone who speaks on behalf of a larger population of people, who could infact be voted in to represent each catagory. perhaps a Bi-Yearly poll vote in each catagory to decide who gets to represent them so someone who doesn't do anything can easily be replaced

also you mention time, but doesn't everything require time, members are easily be able to dedicate amount of time to the working of a council, and surely if they can't they woudn't put themselves forward

The idea of a council with a majority vote to push forward ideas would be to remove someone pushing something they wanted to go forward, as there is a big chance it woudn't get past the rest of the group.

[today]

I think the FORUM management get together and decide on 6 people who they will will be the best council members. I dont see the point in rare values managers or articles managers recommending the forum as this council will only be concentrating on the FORUM.

Those six people should be people who can put up a good argument, are active and listen to members.
Don't pick people who have the highest post as most of those post could be utter rubbish.

Thats my opinion.
Its a vaild point, (:
I guess only forum related departments would matter? Though it wouldnt give all the staff a chance though would it? I think letting any staff as long as they post on the forum often and meet the application form can apply, otherwise your picking on certain staff to get a higer chance. Which at the end of the day wouldnt be fair. Though selecting the users as i said and some others either...

1) Application form.
2) Managment pick.

Either way someone will moan they didnt get the place on the council, so no matter how you do it someone wont be happy, but its tough luck.

[Mr.OSH]

I have to agree in some aspects.

But Jay!! You write a essay every time you post!

:P I can't help it, I have to give my opinion in detail, at least I don't post pointlessly, eh?


I think the FORUM management get together and decide on 6 people who they will will be the best council members. I dont see the point in rare values managers or articles managers recommending the forum as this council will only be concentrating on the FORUM.

Those six people should be people who can put up a good argument, are active and listen to members.
Don't pick people who have the highest post as most of those post could be utter rubbish.

Thats my opinion.

Yes I agree on this, however as I was saying 6 people can't give a overview of how the whole forum feels. Either Habbox should continue just having people post in this forum with ideas of they would have to think of an easy way that the councillors could address certain groups of people and how they would collect ideas and work out exactly what the majority of people want. At the end of the day you'd have to pick people who could take on board other peoples view with maturity and would also have to be able to keep their own personal feeling out of the way of the majority of the members ideas and feelings as we want the majorities ideas, not 6 people. If we couldn't find a way that these 6 people could represent the certain areas of the forum then there would be no point in having them as it would just be the same as the management making decisions as it would be a handful of people deciding on things rather than the members of the forum making those decisions. I'm not sure if this would work as look at the way counties in the UK work at the moment although they have councils to represent the area people still complain that their views are ignored even when the majority agree on something as at the end of the day it comes down to the councillors decision over the public which in some respects destroys the idea of getting the members/public to express their opinions. Not everyone can make decisions but some can suggest ideas which is what this forum is for at the moment. Unless the council members were perfect for the job, had great communication with the public and did not let their own views come into it this probably wouldn't work. Along with the fact at the end of the day there needs to be a decision maker and people are not always going to agree if they make the decision that is best for Habbox as some people may see things differently. This would turn the focus of this forum and looking at the majorities view like the management does at the moment into look at the councils view which I'm sure wouldn't make everyone happy as I'm sure lots of people would disagree with whoever was picked no matter who they are.

[Soil]

Its a vaild point, (:
I guess only forum related departments would matter? Though it wouldnt give all the staff a chance though would it? I think letting any staff as long as they post on the forum often and meet the application form can apply, otherwise your picking on certain staff to get a higer chance. Which at the end of the day wouldnt be fair. Though selecting the users as i said and some others either...

1) Application form.
2) Managment pick.

Either way someone will moan they didnt get the place on the council, so no matter how you do it someone wont be happy, but its tough luck.

Sorry what I meant is that rare values managers dont need to be involved in the decision making of who goes in the council ... but they can get picked themselves if they are active etc on the forum and meet the criteria.

[Lycan]

Perhaps an American congress style of voting in for counciling ;) anyway i'll reply later on more, off to take my mind off things

[Cixso]

I say a public poll, on the x chosen people, and the top x winners get the council job.

But how can we get them x people chosen?

(I haven't read the full 24 pages and don't intend too - so sorry if this has been discussed)

[Soil]

I dont think the members should vote. I think its best if the forum mgmt pick them.
Members would just vote themselves / their best mates.
If members pick them, you might get people who dont care about the forum getting into the council.

[today]

Yes I agree on this, however as I was saying 6 people can't give a overview of how the whole forum feels. Either Habbox should continue just having people post in this forum with ideas of they would have to think of an easy way that the councillors could address certain groups of people and how they would collect ideas and work out exactly what the majority of people want. At the end of the day you'd have to pick people who could take on board other peoples view with maturity and would also have to be able to keep their own personal feeling out of the way of the majority of the members ideas and feelings as we want the majorities ideas, not 6 people. If we couldn't find a way that these 6 people could represent the certain areas of the forum then there would be no point in having them as it would just be the same as the management making decisions as it would be a handful of people deciding on things rather than the members of the forum making those decisions. I'm not sure if this would work as look at the way counties in the UK work at the moment although they have councils to represent the area people still complain that their views are ignored even when the majority agree on something as at the end of the day it comes down to the councillors decision over the public which in some respects destroys the idea of getting the members/public to express their opinions. Not everyone can make decisions but some can suggest ideas which is what this forum is for at the moment. Unless the council members were perfect for the job, had great communication with the public and did not let their own views come into it this probably wouldn't work. Along with the fact at the end of the day there needs to be a decision maker and people are not always going to agree if they make the decision that is best for Habbox as some people may see things differently. This would turn the focus of this forum and looking at the majorities view like the management does at the moment into look at the councils view which I'm sure wouldn't make everyone happy as I'm sure lots of people would disagree with whoever was picked no matter who they are.
Before i start, you should do more paragraphs mister, i hate reading your replies when there such a block of text. grrr!
As i said the Senior Mangament (MAD, someone else) would have the final say though as said the council would discuss in further detail, and greater detail ideas posted in the feedback forum, this would be the main focus, and as i said in a eariler post the feedback forum doesnt always get the replies needed and can often go off topic, such as this one was on about moderation then changes to a council! The council would discuss ONLY the idea by MAD, he'll start the threads off to see what the council would think of the idea and the council would discuss the good and bad points to the idea, this would then give MAD a better idea and some other views to the idea and he'll then be able to see if it was worth it or not.

Choosing the people as said either a Application form or MAD choosing them himself, having a public vote would be alright but i guess if a more popular user got choosen then of course they'll get the votes unless a application form was added first then the best applications was picked say 10 users were the best and 10 staff, only 6 could be picked, a public vote would take place picking 6 staff and users, this would give it a more of a fair result, though what ever happens it wouldnt be perfectly fair, though i think this would be the best result as the forum users would actually pick who they'll like to debate ideas about and the same goes for the staff.

To reply to Saurav's post, as i said a application form was picked and then MAD had to choosen the best 10 for users and staff which then lead to a vote, this would remove any idiots and "popular" users who wouldnt actually do the council any good. Though there would be some popular users who got into the vote, and if they won a place into the council, then it clearly shows they are respected around the forum, even if there popular, it means there doing something right.

Though as i said with the application form it wouldnt be a easy, name, habbo name, why you sohuld be picked. There would be much more detail into the application form this would show who could actually write essay upon essay for the council, and not short, simple answers which is not what we would need on the council. Along with it would give MAD a idea on who would be best for the job, along with as i said MAD would have to look into the users posts and threads and see how they react to other users and idea's. Or a user could write a essay and get choosen but if there view was slatted they'll react badly, it would really depend on the users overall forum use and im sure MAD knows who could be a good contender for the council then leave the public to vote.

[Mr.OSH]

You mention forum security, myself and quite a few others on the forum do understand why ideas can't go ahead because of this and won't even suggest some ideas because of it, you're assuming that all normal members do not understand the way a forum works just because they are not staff.

several times you mention, how would it be structured and surely represenative would show what a majority want, is that not what a represenative is? , someone who speaks on behalf of a larger population of people, who could infact be voted in to represent each catagory. perhaps a Bi-Yearly poll vote in each catagory to decide who gets to represent them so someone who doesn't do anything can easily be replaced

also you mention time, but doesn't everything require time, members are easily be able to dedicate amount of time to the working of a council, and surely if they can't they woudn't put themselves forward

The idea of a council with a majority vote to push forward ideas would be to remove someone pushing something they wanted to go forward, as there is a big chance it woudn't get past the rest of the group.




I see what you are saying but even in real life receptivities do not always show what the majority wants because at the end of the day there are suggestions to that representative and then they make the decision on what they should put forward meaning that other people wouldn't get their say and would still complain. I am not assuming all members have no idea how security works but I was looking at the bigger picture and the way Habbox Forum functions and it work in a much more complex and laid out way to your average VBulletin forum, I was astonished when I because staff at Habbox as it is so organised and laid out in such specific ways. Things run differently at habbox as different systems are used management wise in order to keep up to date with things and keep things running at optimum performance. Besides this people would still complain and this would just be like having normal members act as management as they may listen to others ideas but they would make decision regarding what they agreed with as they are the Representative after all and would only try to get something implemented that they really liked and thought would help meaning people would still moan that they are being ignored and would still complain about the way the forum is ran. Sadly, there are problem in real life with democracies and fair opportunities for everyone and allowing everyone to have their say and a large proportion of people feel this does not work, even in real life. Therefore I can imagine a lot of people complain and not agreeing with the way things run and the council just slowing things down by assembling them every time an idea needs discussing when the forum majority will still feel they are being ignored. I feel like I'm killing this idea and I don't want it to be that way, I really want everyone on the forum to get their say but I can just see a lot of issues with a council.

Another issue I see is:

Members Voting = Choosing Best Friends/themselves (like saurav said)
Management Choosing = Members moan and complain and things act like a management because the people chosen would be making the decisions rather than the majority and people would complain they were being ignored..

Maybe the council could help explain to member why or why not an idea was accepted or not accepted which would be a plus side but overall I just don't see it working how all the members imagine it. Also sorry about the paragraphs Hollywood, I just get so carried away in my opinions! :P

[today]

If you read my post mister jay (: You'll see the issue you showed would actually not happen as much ;)

[Lycan]

I see what you are saying but even in real life receptivities do not always show what the majority wants because at the end of the day there are suggestions to that representative and then they make the decision on what they should put forward meaning that other people wouldn't get their say and would still complain. I am not assuming all members have no idea how security works but I was looking at the bigger picture and the way Habbox Forum functions and it work in a much more complex and laid out way to your average VBulletin forum, I was astonished when I because staff at Habbox as it is so organised and laid out in such specific ways. Things run differently at habbox as different systems are used management wise in order to keep up to date with things and keep things running at optimum performance. Besides this people would still complain and this would just be like having normal members act as management as they may listen to others ideas but they would make decision regarding what they agreed with as they are the Representative after all and would only try to get something implemented that they really liked and thought would help meaning people would still moan that they are being ignored and would still complain about the way the forum is ran. Sadly, there are problem in real life with democracies and fair opportunities for everyone and allowing everyone to have their say and a large proportion of people feel this does not work, even in real life. Therefore I can imagine a lot of people complain and not agreeing with the way things run and the council just slowing things down by assembling them every time an idea needs discussing when the forum majority will still feel they are being ignored. I feel like I'm killing this idea and I don't want it to be that way, I really want everyone on the forum to get their say but I can just see a lot of issues with a council.

Another issue I see is:

Members Voting = Choosing Best Friends/themselves (like saurav said)
Management Choosing = Members moan and complain and things act like a management because the people chosen would be making the decisions rather than the majority and people would complain they were being ignored..

Maybe the council could help explain to member why or why not an idea was accepted or not accepted which would be a plus side but overall I just don't see it working how all the members imagine it. Also sorry about the paragraphs Hollywood, I just get so carried away in my opinions! :P


Jay, if such a council way is good enough and works well enough in real life it can surely work on a forum were issues arn't as serrious

IN Theory council would be similar to Habbox expert on HabboxWorld, which you run, the only difference being that people are voted instead of you getting to choose. people will moan ether way with a council they may moan less, but there is no real wa of finding out without trying. if you are too lazy to actually attempt this Jay, thats fine... but the determination of myself Hollywood and others should be enough to get this started off working, and if it doesn't work out it can easily be dispanded.

[Cixso]

Another issue I see is:

Members Voting = Choosing Best Friends/themselves (like saurav said)
Management Choosing = Members moan and complain and things act like a management because the people chosen would be making the decisions rather than the majority and people would complain they were being ignored..

Maybe the council could help explain to member why or why not an idea was accepted or not accepted which would be a plus side but overall I just don't see it working how all the members imagine it. Also sorry about the paragraphs Hollywood, I just get so carried away in my opinions! :P

Why are we all suddenly talking like this!

I think the members shouldn't be allowed to vote for them selves obviously, and another
scheme needs to be set up to try and find these people.

[today]

Why are we all suddenly talking like this!

I think the members shouldn't be allowed to vote for them selves obviously, and another
scheme needs to be set up to try and find these people.


Choosing the people as said either a Application form or MAD choosing them himself, having a public vote would be alright but i guess if a more popular user got choosen then of course they'll get the votes unless a application form was added first then the best applications was picked say 10 users were the best and 10 staff, only 6 could be picked, a public vote would take place picking 6 staff and users, this would give it a more of a fair result, though what ever happens it wouldnt be perfectly fair, though i think this would be the best result as the forum users would actually pick who they'll like to debate ideas about and the same goes for the staff.

To reply to Saurav's post, as i said a application form was picked and then MAD had to choosen the best 10 for users and staff which then lead to a vote, this would remove any idiots and "popular" users who wouldnt actually do the council any good. Though there would be some popular users who got into the vote, and if they won a place into the council, then it clearly shows they are respected around the forum, even if there popular, it means there doing something right.

Though as i said with the application form it wouldnt be a easy, name, habbo name, why you sohuld be picked. There would be much more detail into the application form this would show who could actually write essay upon essay for the council, and not short, simple answers which is not what we would need on the council. Along with it would give MAD a idea on who would be best for the job, along with as i said MAD would have to look into the users posts and threads and see how they react to other users and idea's. Or a user could write a essay and get choosen but if there view was slatted they'll react badly, it would really depend on the users overall forum use and im sure MAD knows who could be a good contender for the council then leave the public to vote.


This is what i came up with, (:

[Mr.OSH]

If you read my post mister jay (: You'll see the issue you showed would actually not happen as much ;)

People would still complain and things wouldn't pan out how you hope them to unfortunately, people would still claim they were being ignored because doing what everyone wants is just not possible so someone has to make a decision on thing somewhere along the line and those decisions wont make everyone happy. As much as we'd love everyone to be happy and have their ideas implemented it just isn't possible. Personally without killing off the idea I feel this forum is a better way to express opinions as everyone can individually say their feelings and they can be read and taken note of however with a council you rely on a few people to express how everyone feels which isn't possible sadly, even in the real world it doesn't really work. + rep for your ideas and comments, they are much appreciated, you've made me think a lot about this.

[Soil]

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