Avoiding a ban

[GoldenMerc]

Ye well i relised Elliot returned and i remeber back when i had the account Silvermerc and i avoided the ban and made a new account it straight away got permed, I think this should be braught back into place,When there causioned its ok because they have the choice but permently banned they shouldnt be allowed to re-register realy..
What are your thoughts on this
Ross

[jrh2002]

I don't like the idea that people get permed and then join straight back up and continue where they left off. Of course if this was the case they would not make us aware of who they were so not much we could do about it. I would sooner be able to keep my eye on their new accounts that i am aware of instead of guessing whos who the more I think about it.

[GoldenMerc]

Please do stop them from re-registering.
What you could do is 'cookie ban' them after you banned there account which makes the computer unable to get on its far better than a IP ban xD

[Soil]

I used to ban their new accounts a lot when I was super mod. At the time the management discussed it and asked me to stop as some users buy VIP on their new account or they need them to keep habboxforum going. Because if they werent allowed to return, hxf will get less and less popular as less people will visit it as they are banned and not allowed to visit.

[fweggy]

If they get permed, they should just be kept away from the forum. Shouldnt be able to join straight back

[jrh2002]

If they get permed, they should just be kept away from the forum. Shouldnt be able to join straight back

Agreed but its not hard to get around a ip ban or a cookie ban so unless they announce who they are then its not possible. I will bring this up for discussion in the staff forums.

[Yoshimitsui]

I dsilike the idea people come back on another account an break the rules, yes. But if they do so they will keep being punished to the point they would recieve an autoban most likely.

What i think is even worse is having two account that a user uses to do this and that and get awy with alot more by having seperate account, this is not allways noticed until after a while.

Thats the thing i would like stopped. But if you recieve a perm ban and you come back with reasonable behaviour i don't see a problem with it, it allows a fresh start and they have been punished for their actions on there other account.

So hopefully the message sinks in.

[Superman]

I'm permed on FlyingJesus but I use this account (which I made for a really lame joke a few months back) because I still want to be part of the forum. I've appealed against my ban with good reason and am waiting for a reply and a decision on it, but either way I'm still going to be here.

I'm not a troublemaker, I don't use multiple accounts to avoid warnings and infractions, so I don't see why people like myself should be inconvenienced for what a minority do after getting banned.

[nvrspk4]

Actually I believe that cautioned members are the ones who avoiding a ban are most applicable to. If a cautioned member creates another account to do stuff with, this is obviously a problem. Why? Because they're not serving their punishment, they're avoiding the ban. That's what the rule applies to more IMO.

You're not exactly "avoiding" a permanant ban, its going to make you lose your account anyway, you just have a new one. Let's assume for arguments sake that we established that we should ban new accounts, as far as morals go. Even then, the idea would be highly impractical, because enforcement would be spotty and uneven at best. There's no way we can keep track of every new member's accounts. And enforcing cookie bans on every perm is highly impractical and really prohibitive.

I think as far as avoiding a perm ban, its a technicality that a mod can pull in to ban a newly created account of a troublemaker. For example, someone just spammed up the forum with nasty images, the SMod can ban their new account for evasion, but also because that Super Moderator has reason to believe that this behavior will continue, and the sole purpose is to continue the spamming. This is done so that we don't have to wait for our members to be subjected to more objectionable images before we can ban them.

So I do think permed people should be allowed back - after all, you're here aren't you :P

[Catzsy]

Yes I agree with Nvr - people should be let back. They lose their original accounts so thats punishment enough. My sig says what I feel about Flying Jesus ban. If they are really a problem and we had a few in the past as Yoshi says they can go on the autoban list. I don't know a lot about 1P banning except to say that it seems to be easily avoided.

[GoldenMerc]

Ive never been permently banned, Actually im lieing but my ban was unfair thats why ---HULK--- removed it surely? heck if i got perm banned now i woulnt return unless i was to cause more arguements with people.
@Catzsy IP bans are easy to avoid for alot of people turning your router of then back on wowzer new IP ;)
However cookie bans are alot harder.
Well if you dont put the avoiding a ban back on atleast ban rule brakers who return ELLIOT!

[Mr.OSH]

Wouldn't it be possible if someone was permanently banned on one account to say they could not create a new account n the forum for so many weeks, months or whatever and if they were caught another ban would be issued and it would extend their overall ban on any account they create so;

Main accounts = Permanently Banned
Other accounts created = Temporarily Banned for creation/use of other accounts

This would prevent people just returning and might actually teach some people a lesson and of course if they continually avoided the recreation rules they could be auto banned etc? Do you think this could solve the issue? I agree people should be let back but with an extended time of not been aloud to create/use other accounts when you get a permanent ban for a set period of time could be effective? It would also show who was prepared to take the punishment and improve and not try their best to return straight away.

[jrh2002]

Wouldn't it be possible if someone was permanently banned on one account to say they could not create a new account n the forum for so many weeks, months or whatever and if they were caught another ban would be issued and it would extend their overall ban on any account they create so;

Main accounts = Permanently Banned
Other accounts created = Temporarily Banned for creation/use of other accounts

This would prevent people just returning and might actually teach some people a lesson and of course if they continually avoided the recreation rules they could be auto banned etc? Do you think this could solve the issue? I agree people should be let back but with an extended time of not been aloud to create/use other accounts when you get a permanent ban for a set period of time could be effective? It would also show who was prepared to take the punishment and improve and not try their best to return straight away.

But perhaps more than one person in their house uses their network/computer for habbo and hxf. Even if they don't we can't prove otherwise when they claim to have 6 brothers, 4 sisters and 23 pets that all use hxf. The only way around this would to be spy through their windows :o

[GoldenMerc]

I dont think pets normally log onto HabboxForum but never the less i suppose your right but its a punishment for all on that Pc realy ?
Its like say in class everyones been naughty and the teachers like if anyone speaks you all have to stay in a miniute per word like that i suppose everyone on that PC gets punished then there might be a incest fight !!!!
Ross

[Mr.OSH]

But perhaps more than one person in their house uses their network/computer for habbo and hxf. Even if they don't we can't prove otherwise when they claim to have 6 brothers, 4 sisters and 23 pets that all use hxf. The only way around this would to be spy through their windows :o

Haha, I suppose there is an issue with that. :P I think the simplest solution is that permanently banned account owners are watched on there new account and are banned if they appear to be causing problems again as we know their history of the account owner and really if they keep coming back causing problems, eventually I'm sure they will be put on the auto-ban list. I've spoke to ---MAD--- about this before and I don't think there is an issue with dealing with accounts that have been recreated. If they are causing problems I can't see a problem with just banning them again as soon as they show signs of no improvement in behaviour.

[L!nK..]

Ye well i relised Elliot returned and i remeber back when i had the account Silvermerc and i avoided the ban and made a new account it straight away got permed, I think this should be braught back into place,When there causioned its ok because they have the choice but permently banned they shouldnt be allowed to re-register realy..
What are your thoughts on this
Ross


HELLOO WHAT ABOUT ME :'(

[Catzsy]

HELLOO WHAT ABOUT ME :'(

Lol:) I don't think anything will change so you will be just fine :D;):P

[L!nK..]

Lol:) I don't think anything will change so you will be just fine :D;):P

lol :P

If the rules did change like that, I'm sure members will decrease and also they'll just re-register anyway.





ROSS U DIDN'T THINK ABOUT ME DID U!!! :P

[The Professor]

I think that the person should be allowed to re-register but recieve a permanent ban on their new account should they recieve 1 infraction, as it proves they have not learnt their lesson.

[Catzsy]

I think that the person should be allowed to re-register but recieve a permanent ban on their new account should they recieve 1 infraction, as it proves they have not learnt their lesson.

Alex if they are not being a real nuisance whats the problem? The real nuisances create a new account and then spam the forum straightaway. Others come and get banned over a period of time but never get a really established account. That's their loss and quite honestly most of them don't mind and are infraction immune and don't moan about it.

[GoldenMerc]

Rosie has made a good point if they are going to improve there attitude they should be allowed to 'return' but the point still stands whats the point in a perm ban...

[Black_Apalachi]

But perhaps more than one person in their house uses their network/computer for habbo and hxf. Even if they don't we can't prove otherwise when they claim to have 6 brothers, 4 sisters and 23 pets that all use hxf. The only way around this would to be spy through their windows :o

Lol :P.

I've thought of a fantastic idea!!!!!!!!!!!! You know because everyone is slitting their wrists about losing rep power, it clearly shows that rep power is valuable to people. Also, what else do you lose when you're banned apart from your rep?

Therefore, instead of banning (permanently), why not knock off some rep points/power (or do so when infractions are issued)? Obviosuly perm bans would still be issued where extremely neccessary. I feel people would be afraid to lose their rep as the recent change has obviously upset a lot of people.

Also, you're not going to change accounts just because you've lost a rep block are you? (You'd be starting with none at all).

Any thoughts? :)

[nvrspk4]

Actually, you lose quite a lot. Your posts, your rep, your VIP, your seniority as a member (join date), and even reduced chances for a job.

There's really not much more we can take from them short of the entire board, which we don't want to do.

[GommeInc]

I would say give them a limited account, but people are sad enough to change accounts even for that. There isn't really anything you can do to get rid of the lower life members of this forum, or stop them from being total twits.