Government denies the British people a vote on the EU

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7277644.stm



MPs have rejected proposals to hold a UK-wide referendum on whether to ratify the EU's Lisbon Treaty.

The House of Commons turned down the Conservative proposal by 311 votes to 248 - a margin of 63.
The result means Parliament itself will decide whether to ratify the treaty, signed by EU leaders last December.
Thirteen Lib Dem MPs rebelled against the party's orders to abstain on the referendum vote, with three frontbench spokesmen resigning their posts. MPs rejected the Conservative amendment to the EU (Amendment) Bill, but 29 Labour MPs supported it. Three Tories defied their party leadership.


Labour voted against a referendum, Conservatives voted for a Referendum, majority of Liberal Democrats refused to vote but some resigned and voted.

Another broken promise from this Government, we fought in WW2 to control ourselves and now it's going to be controlled by the EU.

[Virgin Mary]

How ridiculous, the most powerful country that isn't even a part of that ****** continent has to be controlled by those people.

[GommeInc]

Why couldn't we of lost the wars to solve this hassle? At least we wouldn't look as stupid!

[-:Undertaker:-]

Parliament is the last chance to stop the brussels gravy train, hopefully enough Labour MP's will stand against the Government and vote for what the people want.

[Browney]

Even with 29 Labour rebels it wasnt enough. Not nearly. A shame but they put it to vote and it didn't win. I can't really say I know enough about the EU to comment on my views but we're an island and we coped for ourselves pretty well before and I'm sure we will do just fine now.

And 'Taker, loving the signature. Its fantastically over the top. :P

[Hecktix1]

I didn't mind labour.
But this is stupid.

*****s.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Even with 29 Labour rebels it wasnt enough. Not nearly. A shame but they put it to vote and it didn't win. I can't really say I know enough about the EU to comment on my views but we're an island and we coped for ourselves pretty well before and I'm sure we will do just fine now.

And 'Taker, loving the signature. Its fantastically over the top. :P

Oh no it's true :) We fought in two world wars to no be controlled by Europe and now we're handing our rights and powers to the EU.

[Jordy]

I don't see how we're actually a democracy? All three parties PROMISED in the 2005 elections in their manifesto to do a referendum on any new constitutions. However hardly any of these cheating politicians have stuck to their word. Some idiot Tories rebelled and what the hell where the Lib Dems doing? Just what the hell... I've seriously gone off that Nick Clegg now, this was his and the Tories little chance to get a referendum, but he tells his party to boycott, in other words kissing it up against the wall.

And Labour, it's pretty expected but I fail to see how this country is a democracy any more, all these fibbing and corrupt politicians, the system just isn't working...

Edit: Sadly my idiot of a Labour MP didn't bother to rebel, I never expected anything decent from her anyway...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7280020.stm - Does your MP want a referendum? :P

[Yum999]

My MP voted for the referendum, just like I demanded when I met him :D

[Jordy]

My MP voted for the referendum, just like I demanded when I met him :DNice one, what did he say? I can't recall ever meeting my MP, however I do know my Perspective Parliamentary Candidate (PPC) for the Tories rather well, in fact I'm going to her wedding :P

[MR22]

Atleast we had a vote when it came to the eu constitution.
LOL the netherlands killed it together with the french.
Ah well as far as we know britain is still ruled by people with hair of the first centurie. But true you did win the world wars. so why would you kneel to the eu. Becouse of the eu we cant build or own soccer stadium becouse (we would use or eu money the wrong way) Also we have to pay more taxes the eu then the uk and french ever did becouse we started it.
And those noobs say were rich enouch to pay for the less bebefit.
Like why do we have litouwen in the eu. We only make russia more angry.
Before we know it mister poetin blows up brussel londen amsterdam and paris and then the all come saying broetsjika or youre kneels i want to have a bum. :( poor us

[Technologic]

the slimy scottish ******* needs to be burnt at the stake. He is ruining this country, next election if it's in 4 years like everyone predicts i will be able to vote.. Conservatives for me, hell i'll even vote BNP. Anything to get those fools out of parliament

[Orangeesh]

This sucks =[

[Nereo]

How stupid LOL

Norway is the best country in europe cos they arent part of it all properly LOL:D

[efq]

omg. how pathetic are they. Are we just a continent with no powers anymore giving billions away for nothing?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Atleast we had a vote when it came to the eu constitution.
LOL the netherlands killed it together with the french.
Ah well as far as we know britain is still ruled by people with hair of the first centurie. But true you did win the world wars. so why would you kneel to the eu. Becouse of the eu we cant build or own soccer stadium becouse (we would use or eu money the wrong way) Also we have to pay more taxes the eu then the uk and french ever did becouse we started it.
And those noobs say were rich enouch to pay for the less bebefit.
Like why do we have litouwen in the eu. We only make russia more angry.
Before we know it mister poetin blows up brussel londen amsterdam and paris and then the all come saying broetsjika or youre kneels i want to have a bum. :( poor us

The reason they refuse to give us a referendum is because they know it will be rejected and that will ruin their chances of cushy jobs in brussels after they have been disgraced in UK politics.


omg. how pathetic are they. Are we just a continent with no powers anymore giving billions away for nothing?

Once we were the most powerful Empire in the world, now we're ruled by the people who we fought for centuries against to keep our independance.

[laffin]

I totally agree. This is getting stupied. They promised a referendum but didn't give us one. I look forward to when Labour get thrown out. Once I am able to vote I'll vote for UKIP. I personally don't like the EU since we are handing over power and money to the EU. Our famlies gave our lives so we could be governed by ourselfs not by Europe.

[Bef]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7277644.stm


Labour voted against a referendum, Conservatives voted for a Referendum, majority of Liberal Democrats refused to vote but some resigned and voted.

Another broken promise from this Government, we fought in WW2 to control ourselves and now it's going to be controlled by the EU.

Yet you have a swastika in your signiture? Do you actually understand what that symbol means? Even if your sig is just a dig at the EU, the mere fact that you are proudly showing a sign of death, racism and all out pigfaced twatism is just wrong!

[Splinter]

Two points here, firstly what position are 90% of the British people in to vote on the Lisbon treaty? How many have read it or understand what it really entails. If they havent then they cannot make an informed decision and a referendum shouldnt be called.

On the issue of Europe. Britain can no longer economically compete in the world on its own with rapidly growing economies such as China, India and the super power that is the US we need to work with other European countries to compete in the world.

[Jordy]

Yet you have a swastika in your signiture? Do you actually understand what that symbol means? Even if your sig is just a dig at the EU, the mere fact that you are proudly showing a sign of death, racism and all out pigfaced twatism is just wrong!What I think the swastika in the EU Flag is showing, is that he's showing correlation between the EU and the Nazi's. I'm not sure though as Undertaker supports the Nazi's to an extent, what exactly does it mean?

[jrh2002]

After all our great heroes fought for our country and saved us from hitler we just give it all away. I bet our war heroes are turning in their graves over this. I am starting to think we should have surrendered back then because the nazis would never have sold out their own country.
The UK has gone from a great nation to a joke on the EU, immigration, political correctness, law and order, our nations finances and much much more.

Have you noticed from being one of the richest countries in europe we are now having to borrow billions a year to keep going? I really think they have a secret plan to get is in so much debt we have no option but to join europe to take advantage of the finances from other counbtries and stay afloat.

We should stop giving any foreign aid and start trying to fix the NHS and stop giving all these benefits to the work shy scroungers.

I used to be very patriotic but now I am pretty disheartened with how things are going :( the best thing is do your best to save up and get out of here. I wish when i left school i jumped on the first plane to anywhere and started a new life away from this hell hole.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yet you have a swastika in your signiture? Do you actually understand what that symbol means? Even if your sig is just a dig at the EU, the mere fact that you are proudly showing a sign of death, racism and all out pigfaced twatism is just wrong!

Are you stupid?

The EU and the Nazi's have one thing in common, they both want to control people's lives including Great Briton & Europe. I know damn well what the symbol means and you should get over it, it's a symbol. I bet if I posted the Sickle & Hammer you wouldn't make a fuss when Joseph Stalin killed millions more people than Adolf Hitler.


What I think the swastika in the EU Flag is showing, is that he's showing correlation between the EU and the Nazi's. I'm not sure though as Undertaker supports the Nazi's to an extent, what exactly does it mean?

I am yes, and I don't support the Nazi's but I know they were good for the majority of Germans in the 1930's :)

[jrh2002]

http://www.swastika-info.com/images/asien/hongkong/buddha01.jpg

The swastika (Sanskrit svastika, "all is well") is a cross with four arms of equal length, with the ends of each arm bent at a right angle. Sometimes dots are added between each arm.
The swastika is an ancient symbol found worldwide, but it is especially common in India. It can be seen in the art of the Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Celts, Native Americans, and Persians as well Hindus, Jains and Buddhists.
The swastika's Indian name comes the Sanskrit word svasti, meaning good fortune, luck and well being.
In Hinduism (http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/index.htm), the right-hand (clockwise) swastika is a symbol of the sun and the god Vishnu, while the left-hand (counterclockwise) swastika represents Kali and magic. The Buddhist swastika is almost always clockwise, while the swastika adopted by the Nazis (many of whom had occult interests) is counterclockwise.
In Buddhism, the swastika signifies auspiciousness and good fortune as well as the Buddha's footprints (http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/symbols/buddhapada.htm) and the Buddha's heart. The swastika is said to contain the whole mind of the Buddha and can often be found imprinted on the chest, feet or palms of Buddha images. It is also the first of the 65 auspicious symbols on the footprint of the Buddha.
The swastika has also often been used to mark the beginning of Buddhist texts. In China and Japan, the Buddhist swastika was seen as a symbol of plurality, eternity, abundance, prosperity and long life.
The swastika is used as an auspicious mark on Buddhist temples and is especially common in Korea. It can often be seen on the decorative borders around paintings, altar cloths and banners. In Tibetan Buddhism, it is also used as a clothing decoration.

Info from
http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/symbols/swastika.htm

[Bef]

Are you stupid?

The EU and the Nazi's have one thing in common, they both want to control people's lives including Great Briton & Europe. I know damn well what the symbol means and you should get over it, it's a symbol. I bet if I posted the Sickle & Hammer you wouldn't make a fuss when Joseph Stalin killed millions more people than Adolf Hitler.



I am yes, and I don't support the Nazi's but I know they were good for the majority of Germans in the 1930's :)
Apart from the Jews, Gays, Gypsys and anybody who stood up to them...

No im not stupid, as i said EVEN IF IT IS A DIG AT THE EU I STILL THINK IT IS OFFENSIVE!
And i dont think Stalin was that great a guy either :S

http://www.swastika-info.com/images/asien/hongkong/buddha01.jpg

The swastika (Sanskrit svastika, "all is well") is a cross with four arms of equal length, with the ends of each arm bent at a right angle. Sometimes dots are added between each arm.
The swastika is an ancient symbol found worldwide, but it is especially common in India. It can be seen in the art of the Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Celts, Native Americans, and Persians as well Hindus, Jains and Buddhists.
The swastika's Indian name comes the Sanskrit word svasti, meaning good fortune, luck and well being.
In Hinduism (http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/index.htm), the right-hand (clockwise) swastika is a symbol of the sun and the god Vishnu, while the left-hand (counterclockwise) swastika represents Kali and magic. The Buddhist swastika is almost always clockwise, while the swastika adopted by the Nazis (many of whom had occult interests) is counterclockwise.
In Buddhism, the swastika signifies auspiciousness and good fortune as well as the Buddha's footprints (http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/symbols/buddhapada.htm) and the Buddha's heart. The swastika is said to contain the whole mind of the Buddha and can often be found imprinted on the chest, feet or palms of Buddha images. It is also the first of the 65 auspicious symbols on the footprint of the Buddha.
The swastika has also often been used to mark the beginning of Buddhist texts. In China and Japan, the Buddhist swastika was seen as a symbol of plurality, eternity, abundance, prosperity and long life.
The swastika is used as an auspicious mark on Buddhist temples and is especially common in Korea. It can often be seen on the decorative borders around paintings, altar cloths and banners. In Tibetan Buddhism, it is also used as a clothing decoration.

Info from
http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/symbols/swastika.htm

Yep this is how it started off but it is now used by nazi partys and small minded idiots... half my family share your views undertaker so i have heard every argument possible and tbh i cant be assed arguing with you :)

[Wig44.]

Completely stupid. This is exactly the same as making a statement then contradicting yourself without the loss of lives from a war.