Habbox: Hobba List (Question)

[array]

Now before people start saying I'm acting ridiculous or whatever, I think it is a fantastic idea that the history of habbo is kept fresh in people's minds and I totally agree with the idea of having these lists, but..

I was browsing Habbox earlier and realised that in the following section http://www.habbox.com/site/content/view/3423/3525, the hobba list compiled here was not actually created by a member of Habbox, just copy and pasted and then listed in alphabetical order.

The list is identical to what the following website's list looked like a few months ago before it was updated:

http://www.habboages.ofingo.com/Habbo%20Ages%20-The%20Hobba%20Archive.htm
or
http://www.habboages.tk/

The casing is identical, not to mention the fact there is a person on the list that wasn't even in the hobba programme and put there for that very reason.

I know the screenshots of the hobbas weren't copied, but considering the creator of that list went to the trouble of sniffing out most of the hobbas from the 2002-2005 period, I think the least you could do is give the website owner a little credit, either by mentioning his name or the website from which the list was borrowed.

Thank you.

[mat64]

The old Habbox site had a list of all the Hobbas of the time. It's possible that those sites you listed copied the material directly from the old site and therefore when we have copied the old list from the site it appears as though we may have copied it directly from those sites, when it's not really the case. I'm not saying that's what happened, it's just a possibility.

[Slowpoke]

Actually, Habbox had the list before those two sites, they had it back in 2004. :)

[--ss--]

Habbox had lists and images of all Hobbas long before any other site due to the main fact that the site was run by several Hobbas.
http://habbox.com/hk.htm The original released version of the Habbox knowledge page from 05
And here are the Hobba pages that used to previously be on the site that started off in 03:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.habbox.com/hp.htm
Click any of the dates, cba to find the correct most similar version.

[Hiro]

Habbox had the list before any other fansite..
--ss--'s post proves that.
And all you can take from me is that I signed up in 2004, but I was lurking for over a year...and I know for a fact I saw it :P

[array]

Yes, that is true that the old list was there in 2004, and was alot smaller, but the large hobba list on Habbo Ages was created in 2002, then updated in 2003, 2004 and updated again in 2007 as the list was compiled with help from the old gang 'gissberg', 'RedVelvet' etc.

I am certain that the current list on Habbox is a copy + paste job of Habbo Ages' list and I don't see why the person who did it left no credit to the owner or P1ckle inparticular who made it.

If you're reading this, you know who you are!

[PaintYourTarget]

P1ckle? I knew Nick and I don't remember him having that much interest in Habbo to make it.
Also, Jamie33 - I swear he was just a work experience boy and not a Hobba.

[The Professor]

Yes, that is true that the old list was there in 2004, and was alot smaller, but the large hobba list on Habbo Ages was created in 2002, then updated in 2003, 2004 and updated again in 2007 as the list was compiled with help from the old gang 'gissberg', 'RedVelvet' etc.

I am certain that the current list on Habbox is a copy + paste job of Habbo Ages' list and I don't see why the person who did it left no credit to the owner or P1ckle inparticular who made it.

If you're reading this, you know who you are!

If it was updated in 07, surely there's a positibility that they copied ours? Just throwing it out there, I know nothing about the situation :P

If habbox did rip it then agreed, credit should be given.

[array]

Hi, yeah P1ckle did make the site and that was his site long before habbox even existed, though he recently updated it when he returned to habbo for a few months.

You know his first name so you must have known him well, are you Lee from TTT if so you probably knew his site was linked to the old TTT website in 2003.

Anyway, the list on the history section is definitely a copy + paste job and I would just like to know who exactly edits that section.

[HotelUser]

If it was updated in 07, surely there's a positibility that they copied ours? Just throwing it out there, I know nothing about the situation :P

No, this isn't the case.


I have to agree with Array with this, I've spoken to the user who created the Habbox list a few months ago, requesting that additional hobba's be added. I was told that the list was newly created, and based upon what could be found on other websites. I don't believe Habboages copied Habbox because they have images provided with the list, such as this one,
http://www.habboages.ofingo.com/Habbo%20Ages%20-The%20Hobba%20Archive_files/ian-san.PNG
http://i30.tinypic.com/15x4xm9.jpg
That I know is genuine. I've also spoken to other ex-hobbas, who've given reference to Habboages...none of which mentioned anything regarding plagiarism.

If Habbox did use the aid of other websites to construct the list, perhaps some recognition is in order.



P1ckle? I knew Nick and I don't remember him having that much interest in Habbo to make it.
Also, Jamie33 - I swear he was just a work experience boy and not a Hobba.


He created a theme park that was popular for several years, and is still active, after initially registering in 2001. He wasn't obsessed with Habbo...but he did have sufficient interest to construct such a list.

[Invent]

When Habbo was on their second layout (the one with the blue HABBO background) you could get a full list of the silver/gold Hobbas (A-Z).

I thought Habbox took their list from there?

[HotelUser]

When Habbo was on their second layout (the one with the blue HABBO background) you could get a full list of the silver/gold Hobbas (A-Z).

I thought Habbox took their list from there?


Perhaps an older version of the list, however as I said in my preceeding post, the list was newly created.

[array]

He created a theme park that was popular for several years, and is still active, after initially registering in 2001. He wasn't obsessed with Habbo...but he did have sufficient interest to construct such a list.

The list that was on the original Habbo UK page was correct, but the casing on the names was incorrect, and it only had a list of the current hobbas at that time, this list has about 95% of the hobbas from late 2001 through 'til 2005.

Yeah you're right, Nick did make that list, but what I can't understand is why someone would borrow content from the habboages.tk to put on Habbox and then put no recognition to the person who created it.

Oh, Where you a member of TTT too?

[Meanies]

We haven't used that site, never seen it before.

I used the list from the old Habbox site and knowledge others had, and was then sent a newer version of the list by someone on this forum (can't remember who because it was a while ago and I've deleted PMs since then)

[GommeInc]

I don't see the similarities other than HabboAges one is more impressive, although slightly long...

[Meanies]

I don't see the similarities other than HabboAges one is more impressive, although slightly long...

Having looked at HabboAges it looks nothing like Habbox's. When I was making the pages I got told not to put too much information in them else it would take hours to read, as most of the pages already do :P

All HabboAges has done is put a load of writing, a list of hobbas and some images. Yes, they have more information on what the different ranks etc. were, as did the old Habbox Knowledge page, I just chose not to use that information since I wasn't continuing the thing on the old page, highlighting the names in different colours for their roles, simply because it would have taken so long to gather the information and asking around who did what.

Yes, the idea of showing their Habbos is something to fill up more space on the page and make it look more interesting than just all the writing there, is there really any point to it? Wow, we can see what they used to wear... that helps us loads! 9/10 of them would have changed their clothes since then..

Also, just because a site has a list of names that looks similar, doesn't mean they're copied. Yes, if a site had copied Habbox's Release Guides, text and images, that would be obvious as they belong to Habbox, no one else. The list of Hobbas was on the homepage, as someone said and is also on many other sites (im guessing so) and therefore a site cannot claim they 'own' that list.

[Meanies]

Can't edit other post.

Another point, if whoever sent me the list did get it from HabboAges, their list isn't correct and is missing some people. I'll be going through Habbox's page sometime in the future and try to make comparisons between the two. I've just looked on Habbo's list of Hobbas, looked back at HabboAges, and there are differences between the two ie. missing hobbas. Habbox's list also has differences between both Habbo's list and HabboAges' in that there are also some missing as listed on both sites, and also more than are listed on HabboAges in the few letters I compared. As that, its clear the list isn't copied.

[HotelUser]

Can't edit other post.

Another point, if whoever sent me the list did get it from HabboAges, their list isn't correct and is missing some people. I'll be going through Habbox's page sometime in the future and try to make comparisons between the two. I've just looked on Habbo's list of Hobbas, looked back at HabboAges, and there are differences between the two ie. missing hobbas. Habbox's list also has differences between both Habbo's list and HabboAges' in that there are also some missing as listed on both sites, and also more than are listed on HabboAges in the few letters I compared. As that, its clear the list isn't copied.


The Habbox list used to be the same as HabboAges, HabboAges updated and so did Habbox. I see Habbox has added Impetuous and a few other Hobbas to their list.


Having looked at HabboAges it looks nothing like Habbox's. When I was making the pages I got told not to put too much information in them else it would take hours to read, as most of the pages already do :P

All HabboAges has done is put a load of writing, a list of hobbas and some images. Yes, they have more information on what the different ranks etc. were, as did the old Habbox Knowledge page, I just chose not to use that information since I wasn't continuing the thing on the old page, highlighting the names in different colours for their roles, simply because it would have taken so long to gather the information and asking around who did what.

Yes, the idea of showing their Habbos is something to fill up more space on the page and make it look more interesting than just all the writing there, is there really any point to it? Wow, we can see what they used to wear... that helps us loads! 9/10 of them would have changed their clothes since then..

Also, just because a site has a list of names that looks similar, doesn't mean they're copied. Yes, if a site had copied Habbox's Release Guides, text and images, that would be obvious as they belong to Habbox, no one else. The list of Hobbas was on the homepage, as someone said and is also on many other sites (im guessing so) and therefore a site cannot claim they 'own' that list.

I believe it's rather interesting to see Hobba's old photos, the missions are interesting as well.


That's not all HabboAges is done, I'm not saying the Habbox list isn't well done, but HabboAges went above and beyond. Not only is their list up to date, but even all the images are catigorized too.

As Array's previously said, the Habbo UK website's list was only showing Hobbas are the current time. Therefore HabboAges didn't rip the list. I can testify that HabboAges and Habbox had the exact same list recently.

[Meanies]

The Habbox list used to be the same as HabboAges, HabboAges updated and so did Habbox. I see Habbox has added Impetuous and a few other Hobbas to their list.



I believe it's rather interesting to see Hobba's old photos, the missions are interesting as well.


That's not all HabboAges is done, I'm not saying the Habbox list isn't well done, but HabboAges went above and beyond. Not only is their list up to date, but even all the images are catigorized too.

As Array's previously said, the Habbo UK website's list was only showing Hobbas are the current time. Therefore HabboAges didn't rip the list. I can testify that HabboAges and Habbox had the exact same list recently.

Personal opinions :)

How exactly have they gone above and beyond. Both sites have the same key information, if I were to copy the information from the old Habbo Knowledge onto the new page, then that would provide the rankings and what they do. Also how can a list of something in the past be up-to-date...

Well, you testify wrongly. Considering I typed the list out myself from what I was sent, and haven't added anything to that section of the page since it was created, the list can't be the same. There are more, or less, names around certain letters in both the Habbox, Habbo and HabboAges lists. The list on Habbox has always been as it is since the new version of Habbox Knowledge was released.

[PaintYourTarget]

Hi, yeah P1ckle did make the site and that was his site long before habbox even existed, though he recently updated it when he returned to habbo for a few months.

You know his first name so you must have known him well, are you Lee from TTT if so you probably knew his site was linked to the old TTT website in 2003.

Haha, yeah I am. How'd you remember?
But, I didn't actually know this site existed, though one of my first coding projects was on the TTT site... ah the memories.

[array]

Can't edit other post.

Another point, if whoever sent me the list did get it from HabboAges, their list isn't correct and is missing some people. I'll be going through Habbox's page sometime in the future and try to make comparisons between the two. I've just looked on Habbo's list of Hobbas, looked back at HabboAges, and there are differences between the two ie. missing hobbas. Habbox's list also has differences between both Habbo's list and HabboAges' in that there are also some missing as listed on both sites, and also more than are listed on HabboAges in the few letters I compared. As that, its clear the list isn't copied.

I had a word with P1ckle and he decided to upload the updated list again this morning, all of the missing 2005 hobbas are now on the list and some of the 2001 hobbas too, there is an extra 50 or so added.

He told me that he isn't too bothered about this site using his list, so feel free to use the updated list he uploaded earlier today. I guess he would like some kind of recognition but he didn't exactly say that.

Hope this clears things, I should have asked him first I guess.

Oh and thanks for the support hoteluser, and yes Lee I remember the themepark days, lol.

[Meanies]

I had a word with P1ckle and he decided to upload the updated list again this morning, all of the missing 2005 hobbas are now on the list and some of the 2001 hobbas too, there is an extra 50 or so added.

He told me that he isn't too bothered about this site using his list, so feel free to use the updated list he uploaded earlier today. I guess he would like some kind of recognition but he didn't exactly say that.

Hope this clears things, I should have asked him first I guess.

Oh and thanks for the support hoteluser, and yes Lee I remember the themepark days, lol.

We aren't using that list... as I said in previous posts the two lists have different names on them. Why would we want to use the updated list they've just uploaded when the list we have is fine as it is, yes I've found some more names whilst looking through Habbo archives in search for other things, so will add them once I finish this other project, but not just copy it from another fansite.

[GommeInc]

I had a word with P1ckle and he decided to upload the updated list again this morning, all of the missing 2005 hobbas are now on the list and some of the 2001 hobbas too, there is an extra 50 or so added.

He told me that he isn't too bothered about this site using his list, so feel free to use the updated list he uploaded earlier today. I guess he would like some kind of recognition but he didn't exactly say that.

Hope this clears things, I should have asked him first I guess.

Oh and thanks for the support hoteluser, and yes Lee I remember the themepark days, lol.
I really don't think he's using the same list, both are very different "/ Of course the names will be correct and identical, but other than that they're different "/

[array]

We aren't using that list... as I said in previous posts the two lists have different names on them. Why would we want to use the updated list they've just uploaded when the list we have is fine as it is, yes I've found some more names whilst looking through Habbo archives in search for other things, so will add them once I finish this other project, but not just copy it from another fansite.

If you actually read what I said originally you would understand what I was talking about. Until 2-3 days ago the list you have currently on Habbox.com was identical to the list on HabboAges.tk, it was taken down and updated again today as it was brought to the owner's attention that this site had copied the content and that many hobbas were missing after reading this thread.

There is no way that people like 'Becksy', 'oreo', 'alienoreo', 'perl' and 'GB4U' would be on your list, as these people finished being hobbas in 2001 & 2002 which was around the time when the list on HabboAges was first made and long before habbo UK even had their own list on the homepage, from which Habbox made their hobba list in 2004.
Oh and why is jamie33 on there?

Like hoteluser said, the list was created with help from old hobbas such as gissberg, yonkers etc, I am sure if any of those guys are browsing this forum, they would have a similar opinion to myself and hoteluser.

I'm not bothered about the whole ripping the list from the site, as the owner isn't, what I am bothered about is how ignorant people are on here and what gives Habbox the right to take people's work without giving any kind of reference to where the information came.

[--ss--]

Like I said earlier back in the day Habbox was practically run by most of the Hobbas so i'm sure they would be able to remember the names off ex Hobbas as they probably all would have been quite close.

Seeing as the list currently used is the same one as the one >Max< made for the original Knowledge pages i'm sure someone would have noticed it if it was identical?

[array]

Like I said earlier back in the day Habbox was practically run by most of the Hobbas so i'm sure they would be able to remember the names off ex Hobbas as they probably all would have been quite close.

Seeing as the list currently used is the same one as the one >Max< made for the original Knowledge pages i'm sure someone would have noticed it if it was identical?

It isn't identical to the one Max made though, loads from the 2005 period are missing, it is an entirely different list and HabboAges' old list to be precise.

I know this simply because 'jamie33' is on the current Habbox hobba list, he wasn't on any other list, only HabboAges'.

Anyway, even if it wasn't a copy and paste job, the missing 2001 and 2002 hobbas were definitely borrowed from that site, it was the only site on the net that had that list, and the screenshots to go with it.

[nvrspk4]

No, we put in a lot of legwork to get our list of Hobbas, we had a staff member specifically devoted to the listing and photographing of Hobbas (one :-:Mystical.Dave:-: or something similar). Last night the Hobba list was still alphabetized so I dunno. It is possible that our new page creator used it, we'll check into that.

I can't find that site on the WayBack machine so that isn't helping us :P

[HotelUser]

No, we put in a lot of legwork to get our list of Hobbas, we had a staff member specifically devoted to the listing and photographing of Hobbas (one :-:Mystical.Dave:-: or something similar). Last night the Hobba list was still alphabetized so I dunno. It is possible that our new page creator used it, we'll check into that.

I can't find that site on the WayBack machine so that isn't helping us :P


I do recall a page dedicated to getting screenshots of Hobbas, but I don't believe it was as in-depth as HabboAges, anyhow...shame it was removed.



Like I said earlier back in the day Habbox was practically run by most of the Hobbas so i'm sure they would be able to remember the names off ex Hobbas as they probably all would have been quite close.

Seeing as the list currently used is the same one as the one >Max< made for the original Knowledge pages i'm sure someone would have noticed it if it was identical?


But it's not the same list I don't believe.


We aren't using that list... as I said in previous posts the two lists have different names on them. Why would we want to use the updated list they've just uploaded when the list we have is fine as it is, yes I've found some more names whilst looking through Habbo archives in search for other things, so will add them once I finish this other project, but not just copy it from another fansite.


But you now have permission to use it as a guideline.


I had a word with P1ckle and he decided to upload the updated list again this morning, all of the missing 2005 hobbas are now on the list and some of the 2001 hobbas too, there is an extra 50 or so added.

He told me that he isn't too bothered about this site using his list, so feel free to use the updated list he uploaded earlier today. I guess he would like some kind of recognition but he didn't exactly say that.

Hope this clears things, I should have asked him first I guess.

Oh and thanks for the support hoteluser, and yes Lee I remember the themepark days, lol.


Very nice updates. TTT was very fun too :eusa_danc.



Personal opinions :)

How exactly have they gone above and beyond. Both sites have the same key information, if I were to copy the information from the old Habbo Knowledge onto the new page, then that would provide the rankings and what they do. Also how can a list of something in the past be up-to-date...

Well, you testify wrongly. Considering I typed the list out myself from what I was sent, and haven't added anything to that section of the page since it was created, the list can't be the same. There are more, or less, names around certain letters in both the Habbox, Habbo and HabboAges lists. The list on Habbox has always been as it is since the new version of Habbox Knowledge was released.


HabboAges has more information, the photos and missions count for something ;). Up-to-date in the sense that each Hobba is listed.

[PaintYourTarget]

I know this simply because 'jamie33' is on the current Habbox hobba list, he wasn't on any other list, only HabboAges'.
Jamie33 was the last Hobba to be badged and it was publicised and he wouldn't tell us why. It was when he was in year10 (underage) and he lived in London, so I thought it was work Experience, but could be anything.

How do all you people know me!!!!

[nvrspk4]

I do recall a page dedicated to getting screenshots of Hobbas, but I don't believe it was as in-depth as HabboAges, anyhow...shame it was removed.

No, it was very in depth.



But it's not the same list I don't believe.

Its in the same format (http://web.archive.org/web/20051227080456/www.habbox.com/hk.htm).




The creator has said that he didn't copy and I see no compelling evidence that he did.

[jackass]

Yes, that is true that the old list was there in 2004, and was alot smaller, but the large hobba list on Habbo Ages was created in 2002, then updated in 2003, 2004 and updated again in 2007 as the list was compiled with help from the old gang 'gissberg', 'RedVelvet' etc.

I am certain that the current list on Habbox is a copy + paste job of Habbo Ages' list and I don't see why the person who did it left no credit to the owner or P1ckle inparticular who made it.

If you're reading this, you know who you are!

How do you know that those sites didn't copy habbox!?