PHP Frameworks

[Oddsocks]

Does anyone use any PHP Frameworks/Templating Systems?

Personally I have used CodeIgniter, which is really good but for small projects its kind of useless junk, i need to try Cake PHP when i get the time and for templating systems i had a quick look at smarty when changing the layout of some site.

What do you guys think?

[Decode]

I think its best to learn php than use a framework.

[Oddsocks]

I think its best to learn php than use a framework.

Do you even know what a framework is? Its supposed to make your life as a coder easier, don't post something if you dont know about it.

[Stepheen]

Do you even know what a framework is? Its supposed to make your life as a coder easier, don't post something if you dont know about it.
Doesn't it just end the code. Like say if i typed "else {" it'd end the else with "}" automatically?

[Source]

No. Frameworks are in a nutshell (please tell me if I am wrong), is code the you build upon. IE You have prebuilt functions, classes etc.. that you can use without having to write them all yourself. For small scripts this is pointless, as there would be too many pre-made functions/classes, but for larger scripts it makes writing it alot quicker.

I prefer doing it all from scratch anyway.

[Stepheen]

No. Frameworks are in a nutshell (please tell me if I am wrong), is code the you build upon. IE You have prebuilt functions, classes etc.. that you can use without having to write them all yourself. For small scripts this is pointless, as there would be too many pre-made functions/classes, but for larger scripts it makes writing it alot quicker.

I prefer doing it all from scratch anyway.
Oooooo. Thanks for explaining it :).

[Decode]

Do you even know what a framework is? Its supposed to make your life as a coder easier, don't post something if you dont know about it.
Yeah, its for people who cant code so they need to have some pre built functions to use, and as GasFMatt said, its better to do it from scratch.

[Invent]

Yeah, its for people who cant code so they need to have some pre built functions to use, and as GasFMatt said, its better to do it from scratch.

No it's not..?

[Source]

If the way I explained it was what they are (Someone clarify please) then it in no-way means they cannot code. They still have to link it all together for them todo what they want, create the query's, the interface etc... Its just to help speed the process up.

[Excellent]

Yeah, its for people who cant code so they need to have some pre built functions to use, and as GasFMatt said, its better to do it from scratch.What? a lot of good coders on here use PhpDesigner2008, these have built in functions.. If you typed in ec, echo would come up.. just saves typing time.

[Source]

Were not talking about programs, were talking about whole frameworks. Check out PHP Cake and read through it properly.

[Oddsocks]

No. Frameworks are in a nutshell (please tell me if I am wrong), is code the you build upon. IE You have prebuilt functions, classes etc.. that you can use without having to write them all yourself. For small scripts this is pointless, as there would be too many pre-made functions/classes, but for larger scripts it makes writing it alot quicker.

I prefer doing it all from scratch anyway.

Nice explanation :)


What? a lot of good coders on here use PhpDesigner2008, these have built in functions.. If you typed in ec, echo would come up.. just saves typing time.

As Matt said thats a program not a framework

So i guessed no ones messed about with them?

[Excellent]

Were not talking about programs, were talking about whole frameworks. Check out PHP Cake and read through it properly.Thought you was on about programs not php cake.

[Blob]

Use Zend Studio for Eclispe. It has zend framework aswell.

[Excellent]

Use Zend Studio for Eclispe. It has zend framework aswell.Yeah this was what I was on about.

[Hypertext]

Its for people who can't code, oh do be quiet.

You don't even understand what a framework is. jQuery for instance, it gives you a lot of dom traversing and html manipulation and some ajax stuff, and
its for people who can't code?


woww...

[Agnostic Bear]

Its for people who can't code, oh do be quiet.

You don't even understand what a framework is. jQuery for instance, it gives you a lot of dom traversing and html manipulation and some ajax stuff, and
its for people who can't code?


woww...

Frameworks are stupid, stop pretending you know alot about them. Especially PHP frameworks.

[Hypertext]

I don't use php framworks - but they're not stupid.

[Agnostic Bear]

I don't use php framworks - but they're not stupid.

Yes they are, all frameworks for php are stupid, just code the damn thing yourself.

[Hypertext]

Why code functions that are going to repeat itself over and over again? Thats just reinventing the wheel.

[Agnostic Bear]

Why code functions that are going to repeat itself over and over again? Thats just reinventing the wheel.

What are you talking about, that's the whole point of functions, to call them over and over again. Come back when you know what you're talking about.

[Hypertext]

Oh you know what I was saying: Why code functions that have already been coded.

[Agnostic Bear]

Oh you know what I was saying: Why code functions that have already been coded.

I didn't else I wouldn't have said it. Be clearer next time, and it's a lot easier to debug.