PHP Frameworks

[Oddsocks]

Does anyone use any PHP Frameworks/Templating Systems?

Personally I have used CodeIgniter, which is really good but for small projects its kind of useless junk, i need to try Cake PHP when i get the time and for templating systems i had a quick look at smarty when changing the layout of some site.

What do you guys think?

[Decode]

I think its best to learn php than use a framework.

[Oddsocks]

I think its best to learn php than use a framework.

Do you even know what a framework is? Its supposed to make your life as a coder easier, don't post something if you dont know about it.

[Stepheen]

Do you even know what a framework is? Its supposed to make your life as a coder easier, don't post something if you dont know about it.

Doesn't it just end the code. Like say if i typed "else {" it'd end the else with "}" automatically?

[Source]

No. Frameworks are in a nutshell (please tell me if I am wrong), is code the you build upon. IE You have prebuilt functions, classes etc.. that you can use without having to write them all yourself. For small scripts this is pointless, as there would be too many pre-made functions/classes, but for larger scripts it makes writing it alot quicker.

I prefer doing it all from scratch anyway.

[Stepheen]

No. Frameworks are in a nutshell (please tell me if I am wrong), is code the you build upon. IE You have prebuilt functions, classes etc.. that you can use without having to write them all yourself. For small scripts this is pointless, as there would be too many pre-made functions/classes, but for larger scripts it makes writing it alot quicker.

I prefer doing it all from scratch anyway.

Oooooo. Thanks for explaining it .

[Decode]

Do you even know what a framework is? Its supposed to make your life as a coder easier, don't post something if you dont know about it.

Yeah, its for people who cant code so they need to have some pre built functions to use, and as GasFMatt said, its better to do it from scratch.

[Invent]

Yeah, its for people who cant code so they need to have some pre built functions to use, and as GasFMatt said, its better to do it from scratch.

No it's not..?

[Source]

If the way I explained it was what they are (Someone clarify please) then it in no-way means they cannot code. They still have to link it all together for them todo what they want, create the query's, the interface etc... Its just to help speed the process up.

[Excellent]

Yeah, its for people who cant code so they need to have some pre built functions to use, and as GasFMatt said, its better to do it from scratch.

What? a lot of good coders on here use PhpDesigner2008, these have built in functions.. If you typed in ec, echo would come up.. just saves typing time.