Obama vs McCain

[Fugato]

Dentafrice's idea, got offtopic in here (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=5229147#post5229147).

enjoy.

[Jordy]

I just don't think Obama has the experience and personality to be our next president, and McCain does.That's very true, but by the looks of things, most people are voting Democrats because of Obama (Race, personality and propaganda) but the Republicans are being voted for more because of their experience and most importantly, policies.

But Palin isn't experienced what-so-ever, does that not worry you at all? Oh and how was she speaking last night.

[Fugato]

The H(c)ocky mum got booed, lol!

[Dentafrice]

That's very true, but by the looks of things, most people are voting Democrats because of Obama (Race, personality and propaganda) but the Republicans are being voted for more because of their experience and most importantly, policies.

But Palin isn't experienced what-so-ever, does that not worry you at all? Oh and how was she speaking last night.
She was speaking.. and looking great last night :]

She has far more experience then Obama I can say that. She has major executive experience, I mean for god sakes.. she ran a whole state and turned it around completely.. cut half a billion dollars in stupid expenses.. and basically made it a great state.

What has Obama done? He was a community planner, congratulations.. he handled the parties inside of the town hall...

Being president is a lot more about making decisions about a country, not what color streamers to have in the white house.

Plus, Obama doesn't have much legislative experience either.. he's voted present on 90% of the bills that has come his way.

PRESENT.

Not yes.. not no.. because he can't make a decision.

So instead of making up his mind.. he said "I'm here.." which makes everything all right :\

[DaveTaylor]

Sarah Palin explains why raped girls should bare the babies (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=v77WekmM8F8)

[Fugato]

McCain is too old at 72.

[Dentafrice]

Sarah Palin explains why raped girls should bare the babies (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=v77WekmM8F8)
Well it's stupid.. if the girl is raped.. should she not ******* tell someone? You do understand they have "morning after pills.." that can take care of the thing instantly..

It's their own damn fault if they wait two months, then tell someone.. hey I'm pregnant.. daddy raped me 2 months ago..

There are other alternatives.

[Technologic]

Well it's stupid.. if the girl is raped.. should she not ******* tell someone? You do understand they have "morning after pills.." that can take care of the thing instantly..

It's their own damn fault if they wait two months, then tell someone.. hey I'm pregnant.. daddy raped me 2 months ago..

There are other alternatives.
Like abortion.

Also McCain opposes same-sex marriages...

[Fez]

I'm actually writing an article about U.S politics, which is gonna be avalible a day before the action polls, and it's all to do with why Obama seems to be getting more support - there's an obvious one , but there's a lot more detail into it. If you guys wanna help me out or something, then drop me a line.

[Fugato]

Like abortion.

Also McCain opposes same-sex marriages...

Being gay, that's what makes me wanna vote for Obama.

[Fez]

McCain is too old at 72.
So what if he's 1000000x older than you?

[Fugato]

He's 5.53846154 times older than me.

[Fez]

You must have a good calculator haha.

[Dentafrice]

Like abortion.

Also McCain opposes same-sex marriages...

So does more then half of America.. considering America is a christian country.. and more then half have christian values... of course a christian/republican candidate is going to have those values..

It's that simple.. that's the way being bi-partisan works.

[xxMATTGxx]

So does more then half of America.. considering America is a christian country.. and more then half have christian values... of course a christian/republican candidate is going to have those values..

It's that simple.. that's the way being bi-partisan works.

Yeah but we in the modern world now. So the USA should agree to same sex marriage to be honest with you. (I don't know what the laws are at the moment, as I don't live there.) But Obama to win :P

[Jordy]

Yeah but we in the modern world now. So the USA should agree to same sex marriage to be honest with you. (I don't know what the laws are at the moment, as I don't live there.) But Obama to win :PEasier said than done, in Dubai you'd be arrested for kissing a same sex friend, women aren't even allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia and in Israel it's illegal for Jewish to light fires on Sundays, meanwhile in China you're not allowed to protect against the government. They're all modern countries which live by religeous values, I guess if you're an atheist you're going to disagree with them, but all you can really do is respect and understand their decisions.

[Bun]

I'm sorry but there is no way McCain should be allowed to win. He could pop his clogg any time soon which would put Palin in charge of the most powerful country in the world.

[Tintinnabulate]

Palin is mental. McCain is too old and if something happens to him, Palin will be Potus. No thanks. I dont want Palin to be the leader of the free world.

[Decode]

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/fail-owned-election-olive-garden-fail.jpg

[Browney]

McCain made a right and a wrong decision in Sarah Palin. It worked because everyones like OMG A LADY but she totally overshadowed McCain. Like the pic above, I'm sure some people think Sarah Palin IS running for presidency. Her buzz just totally undermines him.

[Tintinnabulate]

McCain admits he doesnt know much about the Economy. Great!

[newWORLDorder]

But Americans should elect McCain-Palin, cos she knows where Russia is!

[Dentafrice]

Yeah but we in the modern world now. So the USA should agree to same sex marriage to be honest with you. (I don't know what the laws are at the moment, as I don't live there.) But Obama to win :P

That's not a good point at all.. yeah.. it's the modern world, I'll agree with that.. but this is to do with religion.

You're telling an entire country to change their beliefs and morals (most based on religion) just because it is the modern world and we should support gays.

That's like going to India and telling them it is the modern world, they need to eat cows, because they are starving. They don't eat cows because of religion and morals.. so changing that is just as stupid.


I'm sorry but there is no way McCain should be allowed to win. He could pop his clogg any time soon which would put Palin in charge of the most powerful country in the world.


Palin is mental. McCain is too old and if something happens to him, Palin will be Potus. No thanks. I dont want Palin to be the leader of the free world.

People don't understand that the president really doesn't have much power at all.. he can veto bills (those go back to congress and they can overrule that).

He's basically the face of congress.. he can't declare war.. he can't send troops in for more then 60 days.. so he really just represents us.. congress does all the deciding, etc.

He doesn't have that much power. At all.

[dantheTSAR]

It is like the 1997 Labour landslide, everyone was fooled by the propaganda and thought things were going to get better, they didn't, they got worse.

I just hope for Americas sake that Obama isn't another Blair or Brown who will sink them more into debt and despair.

[scottish]

McCain to win, obama to lose, didn't two guys try to assasinate obama?..

I'm sure some skinheads were going to kill 88 school kids, decapitate 14 then kill obama.

[Earthquake]

Mccain looks like hes 90 odd, and is a joke.

Palin is a which, stuck up person you wouldn't want to meet.

Obama & his running partner are fantastic, and they can really make change.

[Technologic]

Kennedy is the one who said religion and politics should be kept apart and you all bummed off him. However.. it's his fault half of america is ******ed given his speech on how america should be america policing of ther world

[RedStratocas]

What has Obama done? He was a community planner, congratulations.. he handled the parties inside of the town hall...

well you forgot a tiny little job he had called united states senator for the state of illinois. oops.

and as if experience matters anyway. abraham lincoln is considered the greatest of any president in history but he was only a state senator (not national, as obama is) for a few years before becoming president. warren g. harding, however, served as a senator for 6 years and is considered the worst. i dont see how people still make the whole "no experience" argument when history has shown no correlation between how effective a president is with their past political experience. it is thus no more relevant than saying someone isn't qualified for the presidency based on how many ties they own.

[Virgin Mary]

Mccain is that one for rednecks and the other people who don't believe in dinosaurs or whatever.

[Kardan]

Being British I haven't followed the election much, but I'd vote for Obama - I think his policies are better, and he seems more of a leader to me... McCain just seems like another Bush to me - just older...

Of course I'm not deciding but I hope America choose Obama, I do think though that there may be in closet racism and that McCain will win - I really hope not though.

[scottish]

Being British I haven't followed the election much, but I'd vote for Obama - I think his policies are better, and he seems more of a leader to me... McCain just seems like another Bush to me - just older...

Of course I'm not deciding but I hope America choose Obama, I do think though that there may be in closet racism and that McCain will win - I really hope not though.

Considering i'm racist'n'all i hope mccain wins :P but im not american so ^_^

[RedStratocas]

Mccain is that one for rednecks and the other people who don't believe in dinosaurs or whatever.

i have a great respect for mccain. the guy's obviously a great politician, and until recently he's been one of the most honest there's been in a long time, but i wont be voting for him. and while a lot of people joke about the fact that he's old, it really is a legitimate concern. which is why the choice mccain made for his vice president has been taken much more seriously than obama's choice. mccain has had cancer, and is way more prone to dying in office than any other president in history. but anyway, i dont blame either mccain or obama for the simplification of their voting blocks that come up like that. campaigns have become games, and all the name-calling is inevitable. its sad how it just divides everyone down the middle.

[Jordy]

It is like the 1997 Labour landslide, everyone was fooled by the propaganda and thought things were going to get better, they didn't, they got worse.

I just hope for Americas sake that Obama isn't another Blair or Brown who will sink them more into debt and despair.True but the majority of people in the country were just sick to death of the Conservative party as they'd been in power so long.

[Mayyte]

I believe Obama deserves to be elected president of the USA!
It will be America's first Black president and I also believe he should win because he believes in what is right and also about Same-sex marriages should be aloud which I believe is a good thing. Whereas, McCain doesn't.

Theres my view ;)

[scottish]

I believe Obama deserves to be elected president of the USA!
It will be America's first Black president and I also believe he should win because he believes in what is right and also about Same-sex marriages should be aloud which I believe is a good thing. Whereas, McCain doesn't.

Theres my view ;)

From what i remember Palin is, not McCain? i also beleive same sex marriage should be illegal, even same-sex dating should be illegal. imho.

[Dentafrice]

Mccain looks like hes 90 odd, and is a joke.

Palin is a which, stuck up person you wouldn't want to meet.

Obama & his running partner are fantastic, and they can really make change.

I've met Palin, and talked to her for a good 5-10 minutes, and she's a very nice and smart woman.

She gives a good speech, and I relate to her and her family, blue-collar hard working American Joe the Plumbers, hence why I voted for her.

Congratulations, you can call McCain old, but probably have no idea what either party stands for :rolleyes:


well you forgot a tiny little job he had called united states senator for the state of illinois. oops.

and as if experience matters anyway. abraham lincoln is considered the greatest of any president in history but he was only a state senator (not national, as obama is) for a few years before becoming president. warren g. harding, however, served as a senator for 6 years and is considered the worst. i dont see how people still make the whole "no experience" argument when history has shown no correlation between how effective a president is with their past political experience. it is thus no more relevant than saying someone isn't qualified for the presidency based on how many ties they own.

Ha! He's representing Illinois? Of course I know he's a senator.. but you must have forgot a tiny little aspect of that.. the main purpose of being a senator.. is making decisions.. which Obama has not.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/02/the_everpresent_obama.html

I respect a man that can vote yes or no.. but I can't respect a man who won't represent his state, in making a decision.

I understand what you're talking about with Lincoln, but Lincoln could make a decision.. and Lincoln knew what he was talking about.. unlike Obama.


Mccain is that one for rednecks and the other people who don't believe in dinosaurs or whatever.


From what i remember Palin is, not McCain? i also beleive same sex marriage should be illegal, even same-sex dating should be illegal. imho.

I agree that same-sex marriage should be illegal.. it's not natural.. I mean two male parts can't go together..

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A woman and a mans can... -----() hence why they were made like that..?

When you buy plumbing parts.. you get male, and female ends.. not male and male ends, or female and female ends to connect to each other.

Let them do what they want inside their own homes.. but when it comes down to making them a legal couple.. screw that.


I believe Obama deserves to be elected president of the USA!
It will be America's first Black president and I also believe he should win because he believes in what is right and also about Same-sex marriages should be aloud which I believe is a good thing. Whereas, McCain doesn't.

Theres my view ;)

Congratulations! He could be the first black president.. that makes him much more of a great guy!

He's black! So what?

[Hushie]

That's not a good point at all.. yeah.. it's the modern world, I'll agree with that.. but this is to do with religion.

You're telling an entire country to change their beliefs and morals (most based on religion) just because it is the modern world and we should support gays.

That's like going to India and telling them it is the modern world, they need to eat cows, because they are starving. They don't eat cows because of religion and morals.. so changing that is just as stupid.



Hypocrite.
Your saying that you shouldn't force beliefs upon someone and yet you support a law banning gay marriage?.
Wait a second, banning gay marriage, Isn't that giving the message that gay marriage is wrong, forcing your opinion upon an entire country?
Allowing gay marriage isn't forcing anyone to change their beliefs whatsoever, it is simply allowing gay people to get married.

[Dentafrice]

Hypocrite.
Your saying that you shouldn't force beliefs upon someone and yet you support a law banning gay marriage?.
Wait a second, banning gay marriage, Isn't that giving the message that gay marriage is wrong, forcing your opinion upon an entire country?
Allowing gay marriage isn't forcing anyone to change their beliefs whatsoever, it is simply allowing gay people to get married.

Are you stupid? Because you can't seem to read.

I was replying to Matt's post about saying that it is a modern world.. and we need to change and accept it..

You certainly shouldn't force your beliefs upon someone.. but you have a right to an opinion just as anyone else does.

It's not about about a "message" over an entire country.. it's about what people believe.. and what people feel comfortable with.

Allowing gay marriage is just the same.. it's saying that it is "right" and that's forcing your opinion over an entire country..

[Hushie]

Are you stupid? Because you can't seem to read.

I was replying to Matt's post about saying that it is a modern world.. and we need to change and accept it..

You certainly shouldn't force your beliefs upon someone.. but you have a right to an opinion just as anyone else does.

It's not about about a "message" over an entire country.. it's about what people believe.. and what people feel comfortable with.

Allowing gay marriage is just the same.. it's saying that it is "right" and that's forcing your opinion over an entire country..

No allowing gay marriage is allowing people their own freedom. Not allowing it is completely restricting it and giving the impression that gay people are 2nd class citizens. If gay marriage was allowed it doesn't stop people from believing that gay marriage is wrong, they don't have to get married if they don't want to. Not allowing gay marriage completely stops gay people from getting married, forcing the opinion that gay marriage is wrong upon people.

Saying that allowing something to happen makes it right is not forcing your opinion upon a country. Smoking is legal, but yet hardly anyone believes it is 'right'.

[Fez]

I don't know why you lot are even debating, most (probably over 50%) of America is obviously supporting Obama, and why? Because hes black. Just because he's the first black president doesn't make him qualifed to be in the big white house, just because he promises 'peace' with Iraq won't make it so - in fact, we're all making too much money off that place to even think about pulling out.

To be honest, I don't care who wins 'cause I'm an English *******. If I had to vote for one of them, it'd be McCain - he's always got a yes or a no, and thats what counts when making decisions, not the 'maybe' that Obama gives.

[Susie Dent]

lolol, Dentafrice is from North Carolina, the extent of his education is probably sunday school with the Klu Klux Klan.

[Fez]

lolol, Dentafrice is from North Carolina, the extent of his education is probably sunday school with the Klu Klux Klan.
Now that's what I call ironic.

[Virgin Mary]

Texas is the US equivalent of Newcastle, right?

[Dentafrice]

No allowing gay marriage is allowing people their own freedom. Not allowing it is completely restricting it and giving the impression that gay people are 2nd class citizens. If gay marriage was allowed it doesn't stop people from believing that gay marriage is wrong, they don't have to get married if they don't want to. Not allowing gay marriage completely stops gay people from getting married, forcing the opinion that gay marriage is wrong upon people.

Saying that allowing something to happen makes it right is not forcing your opinion upon a country. Smoking is legal, but yet hardly anyone believes it is 'right'.

I'll get back to you in a minute on that.. I'm still thinking of a way to respond ;P

I do agree with you on some parts of that.. surprisingly..


I don't know why you lot are even debating, most (probably over 50%) of America is obviously supporting Obama, and why? Because hes black. Just because he's the first black president doesn't make him qualifed to be in the big white house, just because he promises 'peace' with Iraq won't make it so - in fact, we're all making too much money off that place to even think about pulling out.

To be honest, I don't care who wins 'cause I'm an English *******. If I had to vote for one of them, it'd be McCain - he's always got a yes or a no, and thats what counts when making decisions, not the 'maybe' that Obama gives.

I agree with this! Finally someone (out of the country) that actually knows what they are talking about!

You seem to have done your research and looked past the UK media to make your decision :P

+REP.


lolol, Dentafrice is from North Carolina, the extent of his education is probably sunday school with the Klu Klux Klan.

Yeah, you just failed majorly. What a nice assumption! Basing my education on a place I live.

North Carolina is actually an amazing state, and I'm guessing your from out of the country anyway.. (feel free to prove me wrong).

I've had quite a few brunches with the KKK in my days, wasn't at Sunday School though! I would invite you to Sunday School, but I'm sure you couldn't handle it.. you actually have to use your brain.

[newWORLDorder]

'Susie Dent'. Close your mouth please, your post was uncalled for and pathetic.

As I said, if I was in the US, I would be voting for Obama, I agree with most of his policys, some I would change, some I dont care about. Sadly Caleb, as a straight person I have to disagree with the same sex marrige part, its just.. I think it should be allowed, I have 2 mates who are gay and are dating, I dont see why they should not be allowed to have a legal partnership. (Also, I lolled at the ------() part... I guess if you go 'round the back' its the same for guys? I dont even wanna think tbh)

But yeah, i dont like how people are in here being like 'LOL HE IS BLAK HE SHUD WIN' or 'HE IS OLD HE SHUD LOSE'. People should read up before attempting to contribute. :@

[Dentafrice]

'Susie Dent'. Close your mouth please, your post was uncalled for and pathetic.

As I said, if I was in the US, I would be voting for Obama, I agree with most of his policys, some I would change, some I dont care about. Sadly Caleb, as a straight person I have to disagree with the same sex marrige part, its just.. I think it should be allowed, I have 2 mates who are gay and are dating, I dont see why they should not be allowed to have a legal partnership. (Also, I lolled at the ------() part... I guess if you go 'round the back' its the same for guys? I dont even wanna think tbh)

But yeah, i dont like how people are in here being like 'LOL HE IS BLAK HE SHUD WIN' or 'HE IS OLD HE SHUD LOSE'. People should read up before attempting to contribute. :@

I agree.. her posted wasn't needed.

I don't agree with Obama's policies.. I think that he would/could defend our country properly in times of need.. but no-one knows that until he is put to the test..

I don't think gay marriage should be allowed. It's part of my religion, and part of what I believe, hold that against me if you wish.. but a bunch of internet people's not going to make me loose sleep ;P

Yeah.. I don't want to think about a guy turned around either.. gross. gross. gross.

I feel sorry for the poor kids growing up with two moms.. or two dads.. boy I bet they are going to be confused :\

I think that families should stay the same.. a Mom and a Dad.. each having their own benefits and each having their own pros to the family.

There was a reason only a male and a female could have a child together.. and it all be theirs.. (don't get scientific with me.. I know about all that..).

I just don't think it's natural, and I'll stand by that ;P

[newWORLDorder]

Fair enough, and I respect your opinion.

Just out of curiosity, what is your Religion?

[Dentafrice]

I'm a Christian, brought up Christian, raised with Christian values and morals.

I'm not the most faithful Christian, nor do a lot of the things a Christian should do.. but I do make my decisions and opinions based upon the way I was raised, and that.

;) Hopefully you can respect that.

[newWORLDorder]

Totally, im the same.

My views on same sex marrige are a bit different though.. I was not brought up christian, but our family made the choice ages ago.

Dont take this comment the wrong way.. this is gonna make me sound like a right muppet. But the same-sex thing must be a US or even just regional thing, because I, and the majority of the christians I know have no problems with it... do you get what I mean? I dont mean 'an american thing' as an offensive term. But yeah..

I just realised how much of an arse I sound rofl.

But as I said, I understnad your opinions and totally respect them.

[Fugato]

It is an American thing.

[newWORLDorder]

Ah, well I had to be careful saying it as I did not want to come across offensive and blunt. Thanks for telling me though

[Dentafrice]

Totally, im the same.

My views on same sex marrige are a bit different though.. I was not brought up christian, but our family made the choice ages ago.

Dont take this comment the wrong way.. this is gonna make me sound like a right muppet. But the same-sex thing must be a US or even just regional thing, because I, and the majority of the christians I know have no problems with it... do you get what I mean? I dont mean 'an american thing' as an offensive term. But yeah..

I just realised how much of an arse I sound rofl.

But as I said, I understnad your opinions and totally respect them.

Yeah.. it really is a regional thing (USA).

It's just like Guns.. if you visit Europe.. most families don't own guns.. and it's like that in most countries.

In America.. it's very rare to find a home that doesn't own a handgun, or a rifle of some sort.

Most because a lot of America hunts.. and have handguns for protection.

So you can sort of relate that to the same-sex marriage issue.

It's just Christian values I guess, and our country was founded and raised on those values, and most people stick to them :)

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You're one of the few that actually have good discussion points on topics like this (+REP for that).

and I respect your opinion just as much as you respect mine. I know that a LOT of the UK support gay marriage, because it is more common there then it is here.

We have our "areas" that more gay people are found in, etc, whereas I am from.. it's sparse that you find gay people unless you're in big cities.

You don't sound like an arse ;P

[Fugato]

Totally, im the same.

My views on same sex marrige are a bit different though.. I was not brought up christian, but our family made the choice ages ago.

Dont take this comment the wrong way.. this is gonna make me sound like a right muppet. But the same-sex thing must be a US or even just regional thing, because I, and the majority of the christians I know have no problems with it... do you get what I mean? I dont mean 'an american thing' as an offensive term. But yeah..

I just realised how much of an arse I sound rofl.

But as I said, I understnad your opinions and totally respect them.

[Dentafrice]

America sucks. Big time. I would probably get shot.
If you're going to post in this thread, at least try to make good discussion points, and quit being ignorant.

I respect your opinion that you don't like America.. although I don't agree with a lot of the things in Europe, I don't go around saying "Britain sucks. Big time."

;) You're the type of person that gives Americans bad opinions on European people. Why can't you act like saintsRow, etc?

[newWORLDorder]

Thanks :P

And yeah, is San Fran one of these 'gay areas' (sounds propper silly). Because on the likes of Family Guy* theres often a lot of gay jokes directed at San Fran. I presume its because of the large gay community or w.e?


*Not the best of sources, paha!

Tbh though, I guess whoever becomes pres is a far superior improvement over Bush.. the UK is in need of that IMO. Gordon Brown is terrible, but thats for another topic.

*cough, Narrominded @54.

[Fugato]

Obama wants to increase Minimum Wage. That's a good thing, but McCain don't.

[Dentafrice]

Thanks :P

And yeah, is San Fran one of these 'gay areas' (sounds propper silly). Because on the likes of Family Guy* theres often a lot of gay jokes directed at San Fran. I presume its because of the large gay community or w.e?


*Not the best of sources, paha!

Tbh though, I guess whoever becomes pres is a far superior improvement over Bush.. the UK is in need of that IMO. Gordon Brown is terrible, but thats for another topic.

*cough, Narrominded @54.

Yeah.. San Fran is one of those areas.. as in our area.. Asheville is :P

Yeah, Family Guy has some truth in it though!

Personally I don't agree with a lot of the things George W. Bush did.. but I'm not putting him down, because he did a hell of a better job then I could have ever.. and a lot of the people who say they could.

We're still alive. We haven't been attacked again.. and that's what I care about, a president keeping me and my family safe from terrorists.. and he has done that. (since 9/11.. I'm not blaming him for it.. it's not like he knew.. [ don't get into conspiracy theories with me either. ;P ] )

The reason bush is being blamed is because he is an 8 year president, so everything that happens, everyone is going to blame everything on him anyway :P

Just wait and see, whoever gets elected this year.. and wins another term.. everyone will blame everything on them.

It always happens ;P



Obama wants to increase Minimum Wage. That's a good thing, but McCain don't.

Obama wants to "spread the wealth" to lazy-ass people who don't want to work..

Obama believes that he should take away people's hard earned money, and give it to the poor people..

McCain believes that people should be taxed less.. and earn their money by working jobs..

McCain believes that people should keep more of their hard earned money.. and those other people get jobs.. and quit being lazy, and sitting at home on their asses living off of the government.

[newWORLDorder]

@ Fugato - and McCain has reasons to stick to that point, their polices will obviously change over time. Barack is coming across as the king at the moment, but obviously his policies are going to change, and not be as good as they make out. McCain could possible rise the minimum wage.. but you never know.

To be short. Im sure McCain has a valid reason for not raising the minimum wage.


@Caleb, yeah. Its bound to happen. And lol with the theorys, I dont wanna start either lmao

Yeah, sadly that is a problem over here aswell, everywhere I guess. Especially near our local area, people relying off benefits ("The Dole"). Majority of whom dont need it and are just lazy buggers. It really annoys me because my parents are hardworking, and people who get their money sitting on their arses watching Daytime TV annoy me.

[Dentafrice]

and McCain has reasons to stick to that point, their polices will obviously change over time. Barack is coming across as the king at the moment, but obviously his policies are going to change, and not be as good as they make out. McCain could possible rise the minimum wage.. but you never know.

To be short. Im sure McCain has a valid reason for not raising the minimum wage.

Yeah, they each have their reasons.. and it's not really their reasons.. it's their party's reasons.

You won't see a democrat who opposes abortion or gay marriage to be supported by the democrats.. just like someone who thinks gay marriage and abortion is right won't be supported by the republicans (GOP) :P

Here's a GREAT link for anyone interested in the difference between conservatives and liberals:

http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/other/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/

I suggest most people read it.

EDIT: whoever left me a -REP saying "Thanks for the -REP" PM me.. because I didn't give anyone in this thread -REP :\ and you were too stupid to leave your name.

[newWORLDorder]

Just skipped over and read some points (have bookmarked for further reading though, thanks for that). Its interesting from a 'spectators' point of view to see how far away each parties points are.. but thats basic politics, but interesting nonetheless.

[Dentafrice]

Yeah, I found that resource the other day and printed it out.

Personally I find myself and my beliefs more to the conservative side.

As I think that people should work for their money.. and not be spoon fed by the government..

They should be given some money.. to be able to live on while going to school, or looking for a job, but not enough money to live their entire life on without working.

[newWORLDorder]

Yeah.

That -rep will be from Fugato :@

I -repd him for stealing my text, forgot to leave my name after my comment. He probs -repd you thinking it was me. So fugato, i -repd you for stealing my post. Dont do it again,

[newWORLDorder]

Yeah.

That -rep will be from Fugato :@

I -repd him for stealing my text, forgot to leave my name after my comment. He probs -repd you thinking it was me. So fugato, i -repd you for stealing my post. Dont do it again,

[Dentafrice]

Yeah.

That -rep will be from Fugato :@

I -repd him for stealing my text, forgot to leave my name after my comment. He probs -repd you thinking it was me. So fugato, i -repd you for stealing my post. Dont do it again,
Haha well he -REPed me instead, haha who cares.. someone should just leave their name.

Anyways. Back on topic.

I wonder what the UK Media have been saying about this election :rolleyes:

[newWORLDorder]

I think you can watch our 2 main news servics online (BBC News and Sky News).


Coverage has been good, but annoying. A suprising source for me is John Stewart and Steven Colbert rofl, they are on a 11pm in the UK so they are good.

But yeah, UK coverage has been good.. better than Fox anyway lol.

[dantheTSAR]

Mccain looks like hes 90 odd, and is a joke.

Palin is a which, stuck up person you wouldn't want to meet.

Obama & his running partner are fantastic, and they can really make change.


People said that about these three, and look what happend, Peter is a european and national disgrace, Blair is hated by most of the world and led us into an illegal war and Alistair turned out to be the biggest spin doctor in the history of politics.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/images/_42650_blair_team.jpg

[Fugato]

I found this site of some help:

Obama and McCain (http://www.obama-mccain.info)

[Virgin Mary]

Totally, im the same.

My views on same sex marrige are a bit different though.. I was not brought up christian, but our family made the choice ages ago.

Dont take this comment the wrong way.. this is gonna make me sound like a right muppet. But the same-sex thing must be a US or even just regional thing, because I, and the majority of the christians I know have no problems with it... do you get what I mean? I dont mean 'an american thing' as an offensive term. But yeah..

I just realised how much of an arse I sound rofl.

But as I said, I understnad your opinions and totally respect them.
It's so they look stupid when they claim they're the country of freedom.

[Susie Dent]

*REMOVED*


Edited by Yoshimitsui (Super Moderator): Do not post racist remarks.

[Jordy]

To be fair I don't know why people are bringing Same-sex marriage up, we don't even have same-sex marriage in the UK yet, but I don't see anyone complaining about that? (I suggest you think about what I said before you argue with that)

I'm undecided about the minimum wage, it needs to be at an extent where it can help to get them out of poverty if they're willing to put a hell of a lot of work in, but it shouldn't be high enough to support them unnecessarily and where they come reliant on it. There is of course exceptions though like I support state pensions, war veterans and disabled people need benefits, they're incapable of earning money usually so they need benefits to survive.

[Fez]

Most of our coverage seem to see Obama as the 'way foward to change', but do we really need change? Sure we need someone to sort out the economic crisis or whatever that'll happen soon enough, but that'll blow over before any of us know it.

McCain is seen as this little old geezer whos just there for the novelty, it's sad, but true. I don't watch the news much, most of it is sadistic ********, so I reads the internet and books I can find - American politics are surely all completely screwed up, voting for the creed and not the policies is wrong with a capital W. (hehe). But they sure are as interesting as hell.

I say good luck to McCain on election day, if he wins - I'll eat my socks, if Obama wins, I'll eat myself.

[Dentafrice]

It's so they look stupid when they claim they're the country of freedom.

We are the country of freedom.. we are guaranteed five basic freedoms.. that our soldiers fight everyday for..

1. Freedom of Speech
2. Freedom of Religion
3. Freedom of the Press
4. Freedom of Assembly
5. Freedom to Petition the government.

Where in those five basic freedoms (which are declared in the first amendment of the constitution).. does it say that same-sex marriage is a given freedom?

It doesn't. So don't bring freedom into this.


To be fair I don't know why people are bringing Same-sex marriage up, we don't even have same-sex marriage in the UK yet, but I don't see anyone complaining about that? (I suggest you think about what I said before you argue with that)

I'm undecided about the minimum wage, it needs to be at an extent where it can help to get them out of poverty if they're willing to put a hell of a lot of work in, but it shouldn't be high enough to support them unnecessarily and where they come reliant on it. There is of course exceptions though like I support state pensions, war veterans and disabled people need benefits, they're incapable of earning money usually so they need benefits to survive.

I agree.. it should be where they can help them get out of the poverty stage.. and begin their part of the work force.

I think that disabled people need benefits too.. and should be supported.. but there's always those people that abuse that system by faking sickness, etc.

Just like the welfare system :\

[Blue.Neon]

Hopefully America will do the right thing and vote for McCain and Palin! Obama is another do-gooders - wanting to back out of the war in Iraq!

In my opinion, even if he did become president, he wouldn't last long before he was killed.

Theres still a lot of racist states in america..

[Dentafrice]

Hopefully America will do the right thing and vote for McCain and Palin! Obama is another do-gooders - wanting to back out of the war in Iraq!

In my opinion, even if he did become president, he wouldn't last long before he was killed.

Theres still a lot of racist states in america..

I hope that they vote for McCain! Nice to see another McCain supporter. Returned rep btw.

I don't think it's a good idea to pull out of Iraq, all those soldiers lives would be wasted.. as well as we are close to the finish line, so no use to pull out now.

They already tried to kill him in Tennessee. Someone else probably will too.

[Blue.Neon]

This is the problem with the world today, us 'modern' countries try way to hard to be nice... Obama is just another randomer

Pulling out of Iraq is a silly idea, we need to take revenge!

And tbh, ive been watching on the news very closely.. obama doesnt half use his race a lot doesnt he?

'Just because im not like all those other presidents on them dollar bills' SO WHAT?! Its not a novelty that your black...

[Fez]

This is the problem with the world today, us 'modern' countries try way to hard to be nice... Obama is just another randomer

Pulling out of Iraq is a silly idea, we need to take revenge!

And tbh, ive been watching on the news very closely.. obama doesnt half use his race a lot doesnt he?

'Just because im not like all those other presidents on them dollar bills' SO WHAT?! Its not a novelty that your black...
It's not a novelty that he's black, it's a curse, might sound a bit harsh - but if he becomes Prez, he won't last 6 months.

[Dentafrice]

This is the problem with the world today, us 'modern' countries try way to hard to be nice... Obama is just another randomer

Pulling out of Iraq is a silly idea, we need to take revenge!

And tbh, ive been watching on the news very closely.. obama doesnt half use his race a lot doesnt he?

'Just because im not like all those other presidents on them dollar bills' SO WHAT?! Its not a novelty that your black...

I don't care if he's black, white, yellow, green, or any color.. I still don't like him and what he stands for.

He abuses the fact that he's black.. congratulations.. he's a different skin color, that doesn't make him any more qualified to be president then anyone else :P

[Blue.Neon]

I agree with you. And for anyone who starts calling us a racist its not for that reason, he will be killed, end of.

[Dentafrice]

The south is still pretty dang racist.

[Blue.Neon]

I noticed last night on SkyNews....

Tbh i think sarah palin is a really good running mate with mccain, the 1 thing i dislike about her is the fact she said 'global warming is natural'

Everything else i agree with her on, obama i think is talking bull

[scottish]

Isn't the main reason McCain is unliked due to sarah Palin? as shes anti-gay or whatnot and as McCain is so old and the likelihood of him dieing in the white house that they wouldn't like to see her as president? o.0

[Blue.Neon]

Wooah how old is McCain?

I wouldn't mind seeing Sarah Palin in the whitehouse! Anyone is better then Obama

Oh and btw, obama is also anti-gay....

[Dentafrice]

Isn't the main reason McCain is unliked due to sarah Palin? as shes anti-gay or whatnot and as McCain is so old and the likelihood of him dieing in the white house that they wouldn't like to see her as president? o.0

McCain is pro-life and doesn't support same-sex marriage also..

They're part of the republican party.. so of course they're not going to support gay marriage..

I don't get why everyone think he is going to die, his health is pretty good right now.. and he's only 72 (pretty sure..).. that's not that old.

My Grandpa is 89 and he still walks three miles a day, and grows a garden every year..

[Virgin Mary]

Wooah how old is McCain?

I wouldn't mind seeing Sarah Palin in the whitehouse! Anyone is better then Obama

Oh and btw, obama is also anti-gay....
Aren't you that racist person who supports the BNP? :'s

[scottish]

McCain is pro-life and doesn't support same-sex marriage also..

They're part of the republican party.. so of course they're not going to support gay marriage..

I don't get why everyone think he is going to die, his health is pretty good right now.. and he's only 72 (pretty sure..).. that's not that old.

My Grandpa is 89 and he still walks three miles a day, and grows a garden every year..

Yeh but i read somewhere, idk i don't exactly follow the US campaign etc.

McCain is pro war aswell isn't he?

Also woo anti-gay...

But yeh i'd take McCain over Obama any day.

[Dentafrice]

Yeh but i read somewhere, idk i don't exactly follow the US campaign etc.

McCain is pro war aswell isn't he?

Also woo anti-gay...

But yeh i'd take McCain over Obama any day.
What do you mean "pro-war"?

How can you be "pro-war"?

McCain does support "defending ourself", and if that means war.. then yes.. he is "pro-war".

[Blue.Neon]

Aren't you that racist person who supports the BNP? :'s

I havent a clue what BNP stands for... and im not racist :)

[Technologic]

What do you mean "pro-war"?

How can you be "pro-war"?

McCain does support "defending ourself", and if that means war.. then yes.. he is "pro-war".
Defending yourself against what?

[scottish]

I havent a clue what BNP stands for... and im not racist :)

British Nationalists party

[Technologic]

British Nationalists party
Another phrase for 'nazis' bascially

[Dentafrice]

Defending yourself against what?

Terrorists? Duh. Other nations threatening us, putting our people at risk.

[Technologic]

Terrorists? Duh. Other nations threatening us, putting our people at risk.
Oh the hilarity. The only reason the world hates the usa is because you all think it's your given right to police the world. What right did you have to go into iraq? What right did you have to go into afghanistan? Pakistan? Syria?

[Blue.Neon]

They have every right - someone needs to stop these unstable countries from doing whatever they want.. god knows what warheads they have

[Dentafrice]

Oh the hilarity. The only reason the world hates the usa is because you all think it's your given right to police the world. What right did you have to go into iraq? What right did you have to go into afghanistan? Pakistan? Syria?
Oh I'm sorry.. you see to be saying "you" too much.

You don't understand, when we went into Iraq.. it wasn't just our forces.. your forces were right beside us, backing us up!


The 2003 invasion of Iraq, from March 20 to May 1, 2003, was spearheaded by the United States, backed by British forces and smaller contingents from Australia, Poland and Denmark.

What right did you have to go along with us?


Four countries participated with troops during the initial invasion phase, which lasted from March 20 to May 1. These were the United States (250,000), United Kingdom (45,000), Australia (2,000), and Poland (194).

Hmm, you sent 45,000 troops in.. what right did you have to do that?


The invasion marked the beginning of the current Iraq War.

So quit blaming the USA for everything, when the UK was pretty much involved in it highly too.. ha.


According to the President of the United States George W. Bush and former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Tony Blair, the reasons for the invasion were "to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people." Blair said the actual trigger was Iraq's failure to take a "final opportunity" to disarm itself of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons that U.S. and coalition officials called an immediate and intolerable threat to world peace.

Oh I'm sorry.. I forgot.. you have the right to go in, but we don't.

Oh the hilarity. :rolleyes:

[Technologic]

LOL. Unstable, the worst they could do is attack surrounding countires. You seriously think there is a real threat from any of these places? And at above, i know but that's becaue our government has its head shoved up bush' arse.

[scottish]

The right that they believed they have Weaps of Mass Dest.

Coz they can @ the rest.

[Technologic]

The only reason is the west wanted to control oil reserves in the middle east..

[Dentafrice]

LOL. Unstable, the worst they could do is attack surrounding countires. You seriously think there is a real threat from any of these places? And at above, i know but that's becaue our government has its head shoved up bush' arse.

And those surrounding countries, that are small and can't defend themself, rely on us to help protect them.

And if you "know" this, then quit blaming the USA, when your country was just as much a part of it. Hypocrite.


The only reason is the west wanted to control oil reserves in the middle east..

Laughing my ass off, if you believe that.. you my friend are an idiot.

We're not controlling any of the ******* oil reserves, if we were.. gas wouldn't have been $4.95 a gallon!

You don't see us shipping out barrels of oil from there, or troops stationed at their oil reserves.. or us even ******* near them.

Oh yes.. we want to control their oil reserves! That's why we have planes loaded up with it bringing it to the USA..

That's a load of ********.

[Technologic]

I suppose you're one of those people that think muslims are violent terrorists too... When i was in the USA i could not believe how backwards and biast the news was :l. Seriously... you seem to all think socialism is communism, that liberals are bad and that pakistan is full of terrists (quoting from good mornign america)

[scottish]

I suppose you're one of those people that think muslims are violent terrorists too... When i was in the USA i could not believe how backwards and biast the news was :l. Seriously... you seem to all think socialism is communism, that liberals are bad and that pakistan is full of terrists (quoting from good mornign america)

Are you saying there not?

Are you saying it isn't?

[Technologic]

Are you saying there not?

Are you saying it isn't?
What? No it isn't. Saying that is like saying all muslims are terrorists :l

[Dentafrice]

I suppose you're one of those people that think muslims are violent terrorists too... When i was in the USA i could not believe how backwards and biast the news was :l. Seriously... you seem to all think socialism is communism, that liberals are bad and that pakistan is full of terrists (quoting from good mornign america)

I don't see Christians/Jews/Mormons/Buddhists running around as suicide bombers praising Allah..


What? No it isn't. Saying that is like saying all muslims are terrorists :l

Of course not all muslims are terrorists.. but do you see any other religion blowing themselves up in the name of Allah to kill innocent people, because some old man told me it was the right thing to do?

Not all Muslims are terrorists no.. I have quite a few Muslim friends.. but that's the only religion where I see people being raised from the start to hate western countries (Europe, America, etc).. hence why they attack us..

So yes.. I must be one of those people.

Socialism resembles communism in many, many ways. *cough* Marx. Credited founder of Communism and thought up socialism.. so pretty damn related..

You don't seem to realize that there are two separate ways of thinking.. conservative and liberal.. of course each side is going to think the other side is wrong.

So if I'm a conservative (which I am..) of course I'm going to think that a majority of liberal views are wrong.

Pakistan is full of terrorists, just like Afghanistan is, and just like Iraq was.

You really don't seem to know what you're talking about.

[scottish]

Are you saying their not?

[Virgin Mary]

Ireland is full of terrorists, and they all went to america therefore america is full of terrorists.

[Dentafrice]

Ireland is full of terrorist, and they all went to america therefore america is full of terrorists.
Yeah, that made no sense.

[Virgin Mary]

Yeah, that made no sense.
It makes perfect sense.

[Dentafrice]

It makes perfect sense.
No, you're just acting stupid, and making no sense.

You're saying Ireland is full of terrorists.. but they went to America.. making America full of terrorists.

So if they went to America.. how is Ireland full of terrorists?

Because you certainly can't be in two places at one time.. :rolleyes:

[scottish]

'fraid it doesn't.

[Virgin Mary]

No, you're just acting stupid, and making no sense.

You're saying Ireland is full of terrorists.. but they went to America.. making America full of terrorists.

So if they went to America.. how is Ireland full of terrorists?

Because you certainly can't be in two places at one time.. :rolleyes:
Because they live in ireland and america chick xx

[Dentafrice]

Because they live in ireland and america chick xx
Yeah.. there's no need for you to post then if you can't make some actual educated point of views.

[Virgin Mary]

Yeah.. there's no need for you to post then if you can't make some actual educated point of views.
It is educated, the IRA lives in Ireland and they blow up things, but then the potatoes ran out so people emmigrated to America. That's why America celebrates St Patrick's Day you silly willy xx

[Dentafrice]

It is educated, the IRA lives in Ireland and they blow up things, but then the potatoes ran out so people emmigrated to America. That's why America celebrates St Patrick's Day you silly willy xx
They're not terrorists though.. I know what the hell St. Patricks day is.. but your point still doesn't make sense.

[Susie Dent]

Yeah.. there's no need for you to post then if you can't make some actual educated point of views.
lol! The only education you've received is that God created the remington bolt rifle so that man could kill dinosaurs and homosexuals.

[Virgin Mary]

They're not terrorists though.. I know what the hell St. Patricks day is.. but your point still doesn't make sense.
I'm merely making the same generalisations as you =)

[scottish]

lol! The only education you've received is that God created the remington bolt rifle so that man could kill dinosaurs and homosexuals.

shame its illegal to shoot them! :(

[Shrlurp]

I hope that they vote for McCain! Nice to see another McCain supporter. Returned rep btw.

I don't think it's a good idea to pull out of Iraq, all those soldiers lives would be wasted.. as well as we are close to the finish line, so no use to pull out now.

They already tried to kill him in Tennessee. Someone else probably will too.
No affence, you lost all the other wars why not loose this one?

[scottish]

Wars as in fights on this forum, or wars as in wars in real life? :P

[Susie Dent]

shame its illegal to shoot them! :(
Luckily, it's legal to shoot a Scot in York with a bow and arrow.

[Dentafrice]

Oh we did?

Seems we won the revolutionary war.. else we would still be attached to England.

Seems we helped win WWI
Seems we helped win WWII

Name one war that we started that we lost?


Plus.. war has never been declared.. so right now, we're technically not in a state of "war" ;)

[Shrlurp]

Wars as in fights on this forum, or wars as in wars in real life? :P
Real life :P.

@dent - You lost Vietnam, Iraq is a war whether or not USA declared war, you lost in Ghana and the chances are you'll loose in Afghanistan.

[Fugato]

As Tom Baker says, we let you win because you threatened to cry.

[Hazza]

Don't really know much about this, but from what I do know I would rather Obama :)

[Dentafrice]

Real life :P.

@dent - You lost Vietnam, Iraq is a war whether or not USA declared war, you lost in Ghana and the chances are you'll loose in Afghanistan.

LOL, I said a war we started.. not a war we got involved in.. and dropped out of.

What are you talking about we "lost in Ghana?"

We've already been to Afghanistan once, what stops us from winning again?

[Shrlurp]

You started Vietnam...

And im from UK and know more about America's military history than you do?

[scottish]

US merked Afghanistan

[Shrlurp]

The reason they went there they still havn't resolved.

[scottish]

Lets nuke it.

[Dentafrice]

You started Vietnam...

And im from UK and know more about America's military history than you do?
Maybe you should read this: http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/vietnam.htm


The war started in November 1946, when the French bombarded the port of Haiphong and killed 6,000 people.

Technically we didn't start it, we just got involved in it, and escalated it even more.. maybe you should read up on the history of it? :rolleyes:

[Shrlurp]

Maybe America should stay out of other peoples business and sort it's own people out before giving a monkey about the french...

[Blue.Neon]

Well at the end of the day you can say what you want about the US, but they are still the most powerful nation in the world.

we should be supporting our american friends and not take sides with countries that believe in reincarnation! countries that have leaders that refuse to give its people human rights! that kill their own!

unstable countries!!!! they need watching very closely

[Technologic]

They're not terrorists though.. I know what the hell St. Patricks day is.. but your point still doesn't make sense.
The IRA aren't terrorists? LOL

[Jordy]

Real life :P.

@dent - You lost Vietnam, Iraq is a war whether or not USA declared war, you lost in Ghana and the chances are you'll loose in Afghanistan.They didn't lose in Vietnam, they didn't win it either I know, but neither did the Northern Vietnamese.


shame its illegal to shoot them! :(Uncalled for, why do you care what homosexuals do behind doors if it doesn't affect you? I respect people's decisions if they have a decent argument or belief to not like or believe in homosexuals, however you haven't said anything yet to convince me you have a constructive and mature argument. Most people against homosexual marriages wouldn't go as far to say they should be shot anyway.


Lets nuke it.Best of luck getting codes from the UN, that task is virtually impossible and oh, nearly all the UK's nuclear weapons have expired and no longer work. Same goes for a lot of Russia and USA's weapons but they continued to make them longer than us so they still have them.

[Virgin Mary]

Well at the end of the day you can say what you want about the US, but they are still the most powerful nation in the world.

we should be supporting our american friends and not take sides with countries that believe in reincarnation! countries that have leaders that refuse to give its people human rights! that kill their own!

unstable countries!!!! they need watching very closely
Countries that believe in reincarnation? Plenty of people probably feel the same about countries that believe in God. Leaders that refuse to give human rights? Oh, like abortion and same sex partnership. And killing their own...like execution, right?

[RedStratocas]

I've met Palin, and talked to her for a good 5-10 minutes, and she's a very nice and smart woman.

She gives a good speech, and I relate to her and her family, blue-collar hard working American Joe the Plumbers, hence why I voted for her.

lol@ joe the plumber who would actually benefit from obama's tax plan but doesnt really know what he's talking about so he thought otherwise. and how is she blue collar? joe biden is probably one of the poorest of the senators of them all. it's a beaten fact but he still takes the train to work. i hardly relate to mccain's 7 houses. im from a very stereotypical blue-collar family.


I understand what you're talking about with Lincoln, but Lincoln could make a decision.. and Lincoln knew what he was talking about.. unlike Obama.

that wasnt my point. my point was that "experience" is a) such a broad term and b) a completely invalid deciding factor. it means nothing and just a few examples can prove that. i think it's mind-blowingly idiotic to talk about experience when it obviously means nothing.


I agree that same-sex marriage should be illegal.. it's not natural.. I mean two male parts can't go together..

---- -----

A woman and a mans can... -----() hence why they were made like that..?

When you buy plumbing parts.. you get male, and female ends.. not male and male ends, or female and female ends to connect to each other.

Let them do what they want inside their own homes.. but when it comes down to making them a legal couple.. screw that.

thank you for explaining how sex works. ive learned so much. until someone explains to me how a same-sex marriage would in any way effect someone completely uninvolved in it, i dont see why not make it legal. plenty of things humans do aren't "natural," including all those nice drugs and cures for things we have.

[le harry]

black guy should win because he's black

[Fugato]

First black president? woo.

[Technologic]

Face it dentafrice, the world hates you.

[scottish]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/us_elections_2008/7693987.stm

McCain ftw.

[RedStratocas]

Face it dentafrice, the world hates you.

dentrafice is alright, so dont even say stuff like that. he's waaaaaaaaay better than most people i have debates with about this stuff. at least he's being honest and reasonable. even though i disagree with him on most things, i'd hardly say i hate him. its nice to have a civil conversation.

[flyingbrick]

I'm British and to me this election is every bit as important as the ones in our country. Over the past eight years the Americans have tried to dictate what the rest of us do and their government have acted like an outrageous and angry mob of drunk barbarians who are hungry for power and will do whatever they can to gain it.

I'm going to sit up all night to watch the results come in, and if the Republicans win, I'm going to take the follwing day off work and howl my way through a bottle of whiskey.

John McCain is a savage, warmongering idiot and he scares me. But not as much as Sarah Palin scares me. If McCain was to kick the bucket (and let's be honest, he's knocking on a bit and hasn't got the most enviable medical history) then she will take the reins and we'll be plunged into the dark ages. I've watched the vice-presidential debates aswell as a number of her speeches, and her recklessness and disregard for anything other than her own people and her own success terrifies me.

In her first address to the party she stood up and ridiculed Obama for "wanting to turn back the waters and heal the planet." The only reason she gave for considering war on Russia was that "that's what NATO allies are suposed to do." She believes that the war in Iraq is a "task from God."

A mission from God - It's used in The Blues Brothers constantly, as a successful joke. This woman, like Bush, intends to use it as foreign policy.

Although John McCain is clearly a man with very flawed opinions, he is an old man with years of experience, and the appointment of this woman who willingly promotes herself as a "pitbull" as his potential vice-president is almost as stupid and irresponsible as some of his menacing policies.

Their party of "mavericks" are actually just a clique of blithe, narrow-minded and uncivil rampants who continue to be stuborn and un-cooperative looking out only for number one.

Eight more years of American-Republican leadership for the world is an awful prospect, and I hope to hell that those of you across that pond who see sense will do the right thing and vote for the Democrats.

Obama may not be a highly distinguished man who has faught in a war and has decades and decades of experience, but he IS a man of true, righteous principles. A man who actually cares for the rest of the world, as well as his own country. He's pro-active but not gung-ho and reckless like his opponents, and unlike McCain, he has a wise and diplomatic running mate.

Obama for me, would be a breath of fresh air and a man worth voting for.

It's about time the people on this planet stop acting like childish ****heads and sort themselves out. It's about time we grew up a little and stopped being so petulant. It's about time we worked together, gave each other space, and stopped behaving like schoolyard bullies.

None of this is possible if America votes Republican.

[dantheTSAR]

We are the country of freedom.. we are guaranteed five basic freedoms.. that our soldiers fight everyday for..

1. Freedom of Speech
2. Freedom of Religion
3. Freedom of the Press
4. Freedom of Assembly
5. Freedom to Petition the government.

Where in those five basic freedoms (which are declared in the first amendment of the constitution).. does it say that same-sex marriage is a given freedom?

It doesn't. So don't bring freedom into this.



I agree.. it should be where they can help them get out of the poverty stage.. and begin their part of the work force.

I think that disabled people need benefits too.. and should be supported.. but there's always those people that abuse that system by faking sickness, etc.

Just like the welfare system :\

I agree with you 100% on the fact that freedom doesn't mean total anarchy and no rules, with freedom comes responsibility and if the majority of america don't agree with gay marriage, their shouldn't be gay marriage.

I disagree with you over the 'fighting for freedom', i'm afraid the soliders are fighting an illegal war and they should be returned to their families as soon as possible, no should die for the mistakes and lies of the Bush Administration.


Hopefully America will do the right thing and vote for McCain and Palin! Obama is another do-gooders - wanting to back out of the war in Iraq!

In my opinion, even if he did become president, he wouldn't last long before he was killed.

Theres still a lot of racist states in america..

Your other point said that America should get revenge, revenge against whom exactly? - revenge against the Iraqi people and their country which was steadily being built up into a modern state before the George H Bush administration put sanctions on the nation, and then his son came along and blew the place up.

Afgahistan, well if we really went in their to get Bin Laden, why did coalition forces only enter the country 2 MONTHS after the twin towers were destroyed, as Michael Moore points out. The truth is that Afgahistan was a way to get the scared public behind the Bush Administration for what their real plan was, Iraq.

[DaveTaylor]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/us_elections_2008/7693987.stm

McCain ftw.
I think he's reading that, yes I agree with that he's saying completely however he's not getting that from him head.

[scottish]

He's probably wrote it down before he read it.

[DaveTaylor]

He's probably wrote it down before he read it.
thats not his writing either I don't think

[scottish]

Will be, making it that obvious hes reading i doubt he'd go out publically and speak against half of america and obama reading someone else's speach lol.

[DaveTaylor]

Will be, making it that obvious hes reading i doubt he'd go out publically and speak against half of america and obama reading someone else's speach lol.
You have to remember alot of people will have the same views as him however thats professionally written

[scottish]

well, even if that is the case, i still 100% agree with him :)

[alexxxxx]

It's wrong to disrespect the soldiers of tha armed forces, i think everyone agrees on that. they work hard for their countries and put their lives in danger for their nation.

But to say that the USA and UK are going into Iraq and Afganistan to 'protect themselves' is wrong. The whole basis for going into Afganistan was to overthrow the taliban and capture bin laden, neither which has happened, daily there are reports of Taliban fighters killing Afghans and British soldiers and where's Bin Laden? Iraq was sold to the UK as a country run by a dictator that killed hundreds of thousands of his own people (mostly ethnic minorities like the Kurds) and had missiles that he would use against Eastern Europe and Israel. Nothing to do with terrorism and protecting the USA, but Israel. As a result we have people who aren't discouraged by the violence but are willing to carry out attacks (like in Spain, Bali and London). The violence in Iraq and Afghan is opnly fueling hatred towards the west. AND TO CRAWL INTO SYRIA AND ATTACK CIVILLIANS THERE! That is AWFUL. The USA nor any other nation has any right to walk into another counrtry take prisoners and leave is awful.

And to say the USA has very free press is bullcrap, the press freedom index places USA VERY low, the UK also.

John McCain has voted more than 90% with president bush, and if you believe things will change you are wrong. And Sarah Palin is a joke, she lies, and it has been proven. As does Barack Obama with the whole Ayres thing. Sarah Palin has been accused of abusing her power, increased spending and ran up debts in Alaska. She was an awful pick for McCain, probably his downfall. Obama is not much better, apart from his tax plan, which is something that McCain agreed with 4 years ago, giving middle class people a break and taxing the rich more , as they had 'reached a level of ciomfort'

anyway i would write more, but i gotta go. byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee/

[Blue.Neon]

Actually if you watch the news you'd know that McCain is actually ahead of Obama when it comes to the war in Iraq... in the lates polls

MCCAIN TO WIN! Obama wont bring any good!

[scottish]

It's wrong to disrespect the soldiers of tha armed forces, i think everyone agrees on that. they work hard for their countries and put their lives in danger for their nation.

Obviously.


But to say that the USA and UK are going into Iraq and Afganistan to 'protect themselves' is wrong. The whole basis for going into Afganistan was to overthrow the taliban and capture bin laden, neither which has happened, daily there are reports of Taliban fighters killing Afghans and British soldiers and where's Bin Laden?

If the US go in to find bin laden and their forces fight with us, do you expect us just to withdraw, as the video states "The day we stop fighting is the day we lose our freedom"


Iraq was sold to the UK as a country run by a dictator that killed hundreds of thousands of his own people (mostly ethnic minorities like the Kurds) and had missiles that he would use against Eastern Europe and Israel. Nothing to do with terrorism and protecting the USA,

Obviously if they have missiles etc then they would be protecting US as theres nothing to say they won't use them against US or UK, so to an extent is is, its also (another reference to the video) giving people the freedom they deserve.



but Israel. As a result we have people who aren't discouraged by the violence but are willing to carry out attacks (like in Spain, Bali and London). The violence in Iraq and Afghan is opnly fueling hatred towards the west. AND TO CRAWL INTO SYRIA AND ATTACK CIVILLIANS THERE! That is AWFUL. The USA nor any other nation has any right to walk into another counrtry take prisoners and leave is awful.

Yes they do.


And to say the USA has very free press is bullcrap, the press freedom index places USA VERY low, the UK also.

Get over it.


John McCain has voted more than 90% with president bush, and if you believe things will change you are wrong. And Sarah Palin is a joke, she lies, and it has been proven. As does Barack Obama with the whole Ayres thing. Sarah Palin has been accused of abusing her power, increased spending and ran up debts in Alaska. She was an awful pick for McCain, probably his downfall. Obama is not much better, apart from his tax plan, which is something that McCain agreed with 4 years ago, giving middle class people a break and taxing the rich more , as they had 'reached a level of ciomfort'

McCain is great, but salin palin is obviously his downfall as you said, which was unfortunate for him but still. Barack just uses his colour :rolleyes: No matter what most countrys are going to increase spending soon to help with the economic crisis, hence all the news reports on "Backing on Keynes" if you knew who keynes is you'd know what was happening.

[Blue.Neon]

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/map/polling/index.html

look at that map of the latest polls - it shows which state voted for which candidate

McCain has won most of the south and obama with the east

[scottish]

But at the side..

Obama - 49%
McCain - 44%
Unsure - 7%

[Technix2008]

I want McCain to win, I think he's quite funny and that Sarah Palin makes me laugh aswell, with her winking all the time. Yeah, John McCain to win!!

[Technologic]

dentrafice is alright, so dont even say stuff like that. he's waaaaaaaaay better than most people i have debates with about this stuff. at least he's being honest and reasonable. even though i disagree with him on most things, i'd hardly say i hate him. its nice to have a civil conversation.
By you i meant uptight republicans in general xl
And anyway voting in america is a mess.

You dont even vote for the president, you vote for somebody who represents your state. This person then gets to choose between the TWO candidates. Two parties... So even if the majority says one thing it can swing the other way. Also, people can challenge your right to vote at polling stations and you can imagine that some of the challeneges will be based on race, colour, social status or even if they suport the oppsing party...

[Browney]

well, even if that is the case, i still 100% agree with him :)

that video made me laugh out loud. 1:15 onwards.

[alexxxxx]

By you i meant uptight republicans in general xl
And anyway voting in america is a mess.

You dont even vote for the president, you vote for somebody who represents your state. This person then gets to choose between the TWO candidates. Two parties... So even if the majority says one thing it can swing the other way. Also, people can challenge your right to vote at polling stations and you can imagine that some of the challeneges will be based on race, colour, social status or even if they suport the oppsing party...

Correct me if i'm wrong but I thought you DID vote for the president, unlike in this country where you vote for the representative. AND you can vote for third parties such As Nader (i think that's his name) and others. Is that not correct? If not, then the USA is not a true democracy.



Obviously if they have missiles etc then they would be protecting US as theres nothing to say they won't use them against US or UK, so to an extent is is, its also (another reference to the video) giving people the freedom they deserve.

It isn't a threat to the UK or USA as the missiles were proven not to have that much of a range and to say a country has a right to go into another country, kill civillians and take prisoners, then that sounds an awful lot like 'terrorism' to me.

To say 'get over it' to non-free press is to pretty much take a poo on the whole idea of freedom.

Barack Obama isn't playing the race card, I believe he has only ever said something that could be considered that when he was on about not looking like all the other presidents on the bills (even then, that could be taken metaphorically). Though what I don't like about Obama is that he tries to sell himself too much, like he's a product, a brand. The only thing I have that I would vote for him is a bit of an economic plan which McCain doesn't have at all. McCain even said he doesn't have enough knowlege on the economy. McCain is a warmongerer which scares me, as the UK are the USA's lapdog and seem to do anything they say (such as signing one-way treaties regarding extradition and not complaining or standing up to the USA when they wouldn't extradite soldiers who shot a British soldier dead).

I'd think that the majority of the population here think that Iraq/Afganistan is a mess and that we'd like to leave asap.

I think that McCain sounds like a decent guy, as he corrected a member of his audience when he shouted that Obama was a muslim terrorist. I also think that experience does count for something as well.

McCain and Obama don't have any real answers to anything, but I'd probably vote for Obama as McCain's choice for VP and little knowlege on the economy and his sometimes vicious and over the top attacks on Obama. Obama will only win this election because of his clean campaign and his tax plan, he's not an outstanding candidate at all.

[Technologic]

Correct me if i'm wrong but I thought you DID vote for the president, unlike in this country where you vote for the representative. AND you can vote for third parties such As Nader (i think that's his name) and others. Is that not correct? If not, then the USA is not a true democracy.


That's how they do it, it happened ages ago when the people vtoed for one guy but the government didnt like him so chose the other.

[alexxxxx]

That's how they do it, it happened ages ago when the people vtoed for one guy but the government didnt like him so chose the other.

Well that's a bit crap then aha.

[scottish]

None of them know about the economy really, they go with books and previous presidents decisions or economists from the past.

[Ezzie.]

None of them know about the economy really, they go with books and previous presidents decisions or economists from the past.

So looking back on history to help the future is a ridiculous notion? :eusa_danc
Also about the Obama is using the race card, that's completely ridiculous, he's using his expertise, his experience, his enthusiasm etc..

I don't see how Mccain is so great? I'm sure I'd get on well with him as a person, but his ideals and rhetoric are greatly flawed and old fashioned. Look at conservative Colin Powell who is backing Barack Obama because he considers Mccain's ideas on the economy to be unsatisfactory.

Also I've not read the entire thread, alas it is too long but Dentafrice or somebody said that because of the foundations of religion within the united states of america, gay marriage should not be passed. Did you completely miss the founding fathers decision to make religion and state seperate.
If the religous of America would like to start poking their noses into politics, perhaps they should stop being a no tax organisation and run as a political movement.

[scottish]

Did i say it is? No, i simply stated people are saying they know about the economy, if they even do know it's very little and they use previous decisions etc.

He has no experience? lol

[Ezzie.]

As retroguitar said experience doesn't equate to becoming a good president, Abraham Lincoln had only a year or two as a senator before he became president and he has been deemed as one of the greatest presidents ever.

[scottish]

I didn't say they did, but you said Obama has the experience, when he doesn't :P

[Ezzie.]

Well considering he studied political science going more in depth with foreign relations (no.. he can't see russia from his home town though :() He worked in the Illnois state senate for eight years, focusing on helping poorer families, then went on to the united states senate for another two years, that's ten years experience under his belt. He also called out what would happen in Iraq

Second half of a quote of his:

"know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars. So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president."

[Dentafrice]

By you i meant uptight republicans in general xl
And anyway voting in america is a mess.

You dont even vote for the president, you vote for somebody who represents your state. This person then gets to choose between the TWO candidates. Two parties... So even if the majority says one thing it can swing the other way. Also, people can challenge your right to vote at polling stations and you can imagine that some of the challeneges will be based on race, colour, social status or even if they suport the oppsing party...

LOL at you thinking you know how the election process works.

We do elect the president, WE are the popular vote.

Each state has a certain amount of votes in the Electoral College.

NC has 15. (13 representatives + 2 senators).

Say McCain gets 11M votes in NC and Obama gets 10M.. McCain wins North Carolina.. and gains 15 total votes in the Electoral College.

The electoral voters don't get to choose who they vote for, every single one vote for the same person.. whoever won that state.

Maybe you should read up on something next time before you make such an accusation pretending to know how it works :rolleyes:.

[Fugato]

I can't believe I own a thread with 17+ pages!

[Susie Dent]

LOL at you thinking you know how the election process works.

We do elect the president, WE are the popular vote.

Each state has a certain amount of votes in the Electoral College.

NC has 15. (13 representatives + 2 senators).

Say McCain gets 11M votes in NC and Obama gets 10M.. McCain wins North Carolina.. and gains 15 total votes in the Electoral College.

The electoral voters don't get to choose who they vote for, every single one vote for the same person.. whoever won that state.

Maybe you should read up on something next time before you make such an accusation pretending to know how it works :rolleyes:.
Yeeehaw! Did you go shoot some darn cotton workers who invaded your proprteh? North Caaaaaarolina

[jdowdy]

I could care less for both of the idiots.

[Ezzie.]

I could care less for both of the idiots.

Thankyou for the enthralling banter.

[Blue.Neon]

Arnold Schwarzenegger recently said 'Obama is too interested in spending' whilst with the money he's spent on advertisments about himself he could be helping out with paying peoples debts etc etc.

McCain is the one who is more focused on helping people, obama is just good at throwing the money around!

[Ezzie.]

..... I think you're getting confused with what a republican actually is, his spending was from donations by the people to help him in his campaign, as far as I know he couldn't use that money to help people with debt etc.

[Freeza101]

All americans vote for Obama

[scottish]

What an idiotic statement.

Not all americans vote for obama hence how about 44% vote for McCain.

[Pebbles-Tiger]

I Prefer McCain Because Obama Is saying he's gonna change this and change that.

And half of that stuf wont even get through.


:/

[Kardan]

LOL at you thinking you know how the election process works.

We do elect the president, WE are the popular vote.

Each state has a certain amount of votes in the Electoral College.

NC has 15. (13 representatives + 2 senators).

Say McCain gets 11M votes in NC and Obama gets 10M.. McCain wins North Carolina.. and gains 15 total votes in the Electoral College.

The electoral voters don't get to choose who they vote for, every single one vote for the same person.. whoever won that state.

Maybe you should read up on something next time before you make such an accusation pretending to know how it works :rolleyes:.

The popular vote doesn't elect the president though :)

In 2000, Al Gore got more votes - but Bush was elected because he had something like 5 more votes in the electoral college.

[Fifteen]

i'd vote for Obama cus e is blk

[Dentafrice]

..... I think you're getting confused with what a republican actually is, his spending was from donations by the people to help him in his campaign, as far as I know he couldn't use that money to help people with debt etc.

I agree. The money he received he used in a great way, I even sent him around $650.

Obama spent all his money on a 30-minute TV ad because he was afraid of loosing.


All americans vote for Obama

No they don't. I'm an American, I voted for McCain last Wednesday.. so not all Americans voted for Obama ;)


What an idiotic statement.

Not all americans vote for obama hence how about 44% vote for McCain.

I agree :) That gap is closing more rapidly though.. but you cannot trust those polls.

They call like 950 people.. and ask who they support.. then make a "nation-wide" poll about it.


The popular vote doesn't elect the president though :)

In 2000, Al Gore got more votes - but Bush was elected because he had something like 5 more votes in the electoral college.

The popular vote has a major part in the election process.. otherwise it would be stupid.

I think I know what I'm talking about, ;)

You can have wayyyyy more popular votes.. and still loose in the electoral college.. and vise-versa.

The popular vote decides who the state's electors vote for..

If McCain won NC he would have 15 electoral votes for him.. if Obama won CA (which he did).. he would have 53 something votes for him..

McCain could still win by winning more small states..

That's the way it works ;)

And you're just arguing with me.. when I said all of this in my previous post..

[RedStratocas]

What an idiotic statement.

Not all americans vote for obama hence how about 44% vote for McCain.

lol, you misunderstood him. that was a command, not a stereotype. he was telling americans to vote for obama. calm down a bit, dude.


Arnold Schwarzenegger recently said 'Obama is too interested in spending' whilst with the money he's spent on advertisments about himself he could be helping out with paying peoples debts etc etc.

McCain is the one who is more focused on helping people, obama is just good at throwing the money around!

i'm not sure if you heard, but there's this little economic crisis we're having. both mccain and obama supported the 700 BILLION dollar bailout for the banks. instead of giving 700 billion dollars to the people struggling to pay debts, it was sent to the corporate banks who caused the mess in the first place!

obama is a capitalist. if he raised money and gave it to people, he'd be called a socialist (even more than he has now). so no matter what he does with the amount of money he raised, he'd be criticized in one way or another.

[Ezzie.]

Well either way, I'm hoping Obama wins.. Although I'm a huge Obama fan I wouldn't be suicidal if Mccain got through (I'm Engish but I can see how this election is going to affect the whole world) but.. Palin.. dear god.. Palin.. what a ******* idiot she is.

Yeehaw.. a 12 year old girl got raped by her uncle? Nah, no abortion for you babe. :)

[Dentafrice]

Well either way, I'm hoping Obama wins.. Although I'm a huge Obama fan I wouldn't be suicidal if Mccain got through (I'm Engish but I can see how this election is going to affect the whole world) but.. Palin.. dear god.. Palin.. what a ******* idiot she is.

Yeehaw.. a 12 year old girl got raped by her uncle? Nah, no abortion for you babe. :)

If a 12 year old gets raped by her uncle, I think it would be pretty wise for her to ******* tell someone.. not wait 9 months and say.. oh yeah.. I'm due to have a baby next week.. Uncle Billy-Bob raped me..

They can take care of these things the next morning.. or the next day.. and the baby is gone for good, but no.. they decide to wait.. and then abortion does become an option.. which is stupid, because it was their fault it came to that.

[alexxxxx]

i'm gonna come out and say it.

I think McCain and Palin have a vile smear-based campaign of half truths and poor associations. Whilst Obama has a decent-sounding tax plan and a fairly tame campaign. McCain wants to show Obama as a socialist which is really really not true, this country (UK) and the majority of the EU are so much more socialist, we'd think he was more middle or middle-right than left at all.

I fear if McCain wins the election the USA will go to war with Iran and Iran isn't a sort of nation that will give up and die - it's rich. You don't want another war in the middle-east.

I don't particularly think Obama will be great, probably won't last more than one term but he'll stop the end of this expensive war and maybe our nation will no longer have to follow round the USA dishing out 'freedom.'

&Dentafrice the morning after pill is a method of early abortion.

[Ezzie.]

If a 12 year old gets raped by her uncle, I think it would be pretty wise for her to ******* tell someone.. not wait 9 months and say.. oh yeah.. I'm due to have a baby next week.. Uncle Billy-Bob raped me..

They can take care of these things the next morning.. or the next day.. and the baby is gone for good, but no.. they decide to wait.. and then abortion does become an option.. which is stupid, because it was their fault it came to that.

So a twelve year old after being abused by her uncle.. would goto the doctors and get the morning after pill?

;D wut?

[Dentafrice]

So a twelve year old after being abused by her uncle.. would goto the doctors and get the morning after pill?

;D wut?
She can tell her parents.. that's what they are there for?

I'm just saying.. there are other options then waiting and then saying.. what am I going to do? Then you're forced to decide between having the baby, or abortion.. not like in the early stages where you have more then those options.

[Ezzie.]

Yes but I don't think you're understanding what happens when somebody is abusing somebody else, especially if the abused is alot younger.. the abuser basically emotionally blackmails them not to tell anybody, so there'd be a very high chance of the girl passing the morning after/12 day abortion thing.

[Dentafrice]

Yes but I don't think you're understanding what happens when somebody is abusing somebody else, especially if the abused is alot younger.. the abuser basically emotionally blackmails them not to tell anybody, so there'd be a very high chance of the girl passing the morning after/12 day abortion thing.
Well I mean it can't stay hidden for very long.. they're going to have to tell someone sometime..

[alexxxxx]

i think in the 'land of the free' you should have the 'freedom' to choose.

[Dentafrice]

Okay.

Choose.



http://ecostreet.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/baby-gown.jpg

http://www.abort73.com/HTML/AbortionPictures/images/abortion-08-01.jpg



Choose then.. because if you can look at that.. and say that you want that.. =\

[Ezzie.]

No they wont.. that's what I'm trying to say, what Palin is doing is utterly disgusting, forcing a young 12 year old girl to go through pregnancy, missing out on her schooling, all because of a hypothetical sadistic uncle who abused her?
Doesn't she also want women who were raped to pay for their own rape kits?

[Immenseman]

What does Obama want to do with US troops in Iraq out of curiosity?

[Dentafrice]

What does Obama want to do with US troops in Iraq out of curiosity?
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

#
Barack Obama will responsibly end the war in Iraq:

Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: successfully ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased.

[Ezzie.]

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

Basically remove them responsibly and put more troops into Afghanistan is the general idea

[scottish]

ok girls

Redwhateveryournameis; the way he structured the sentence was "All americans vote for obama" If he was saying to all americans, to vote for obama it would be been constructed like this; "All americans, vote for obama"


Alex; presidents can't declare war, can they? it needs to go through congress from what im aware.

Alex; The war in iraq shouldnt stop, as thats basically saying "HEY WE CAN INVADE YOU, then we get a ***** presidents so we're out BYEEEE" That shows weakness, the war in iraq was for a reason, didn't obama even say that the war in iraq wasn't pointless?

[Dentafrice]

ok girls

Redwhateveryournameis; the way he structured the sentence was "All americans vote for obama" If he was saying to all americans, to vote for obama it would be been constructed like this; "All americans, vote for obama"


Alex; presidents can't declare war, can they? it needs to go through congress from what im aware.

Alex; The war in iraq shouldnt stop, as thats basically saying "HEY WE CAN INVADE YOU, then we get a ***** presidents so we're out BYEEEE" That shows weakness, the war in iraq was for a reason, didn't obama even say that the war in iraq wasn't pointless?
Presidents cannot declare war.. they can send in troops for no more then 60 days..

Then congress votes on whether or not to leave them there.. or bring them all home.

[scottish]

Ah kai.. :P

[Dentafrice]

Ah kai.. :P
Yeah it's confusing.. unless he made an executive order/decision which bypasses congress.. but then that would be reviewed by the supreme court under judicial review..

[Ezzie.]

I think the idea was all Americas- ie, if you're a true patriotic american you will vote for Obama, but I'm not too sure on that.

Declaring war I'm not sure about.. the president is the command in chief so surely could declare if he so choosed too.

It's not showing weakness atall, we have removed a cruel dictator, that was one of the only good things about it really.. it was pointless to go in, there were no evidence for WMD's, although Saddam was a cruel, vindictive man the costs of going after him and fighting in that area, plus the lives of american and british soldiers. It's quite a price for a man who will eventually fade away like every other dictator has done in the past.

[Immenseman]

Presidents cannot declare war.. they can send in troops for no more then 60 days..

Then congress votes on whether or not to leave them there.. or bring them all home.


Ah kai.. :P

I have never ever seen Scott concede or at least drop an argument and I've known him for a year or so, thank you dentafrice.

Also, thanks to the person who answered my question up there I forgot your name.

[Dentafrice]

I have never ever seen Scott concede or at least drop an argument and I've known him for a year or so, thank you dentafrice.

Also, thanks to the person who answered my question up there I forgot your name.

^_^. He is probably just thinking.. Scott is a pretty good thinker.. and is arguing humanly :P Not like the rest of these baboons. kidding..


I think the idea was all Americas- ie, if you're a true patriotic american you will vote for Obama, but I'm not too sure on that.

Declaring war I'm not sure about.. the president is the command in chief so surely could declare if he so choosed too.

It's not showing weakness atall, we have removed a cruel dictator, that was one of the only good things about it really.. it was pointless to go in, there were no evidence for WMD's, although Saddam was a cruel, vindictive man the costs of going after him and fighting in that area, plus the lives of american and british soldiers. It's quite a price for a man who will eventually fade away like every other dictator has done in the past.

Like I said above:


The president of the United States has no clear constitutional authority to declare war without congressional approval. However, the U.S. Supreme Court has determined that the president, as commander-in-chief of the military, does have the authority to recognize a "state of war" initiated against the United States and may in these circumstances unilaterally send U.S. troops into battle.

[scottish]

I have never ever seen Scott concede or at least drop an argument and I've known him for a year or so, thank you dentafrice.

Also, thanks to the person who answered my question up there I forgot your name.

Wasn't technically an arguement, he's just telling me how the US declaring of war works, which i didn't know :P

[scottish]

At the rep you gave me, no i wasn't wrong, as i asked the question "Alex; presidents can't declare war, can they? it needs to go through congress from what im aware."

:)

[dantheTSAR]

I think the idea was all Americas- ie, if you're a true patriotic american you will vote for Obama, but I'm not too sure on that.

Declaring war I'm not sure about.. the president is the command in chief so surely could declare if he so choosed too.

It's not showing weakness atall, we have removed a cruel dictator, that was one of the only good things about it really.. it was pointless to go in, there were no evidence for WMD's, although Saddam was a cruel, vindictive man the costs of going after him and fighting in that area, plus the lives of american and british soldiers. It's quite a price for a man who will eventually fade away like every other dictator has done in the past.

Saddam Hussein was brutal yes, but thats the only way you can control a Middle Eastern country. Just look at Iraq under Hussein, Saudi Arabia under it's Royal Family and Iran under its hardline government - they are doing much better than countries such as Pakistan & Palestine whos governments fall apart all the time, corruption is rife and its basically a mess.

Saddam may of been brutal, but before him their were no roads, no water supplies, no electric, Iraq was basically a useless desert. Saddam gave women more human rights than most Middle Eastern countries, allowed them to have higher jobs, scrapped the Sharia law which is known for its biased towards women and its brutallity in the smallest of matters.

Then we came along and destroyed Iraq and leading it into a unsure future, out of a war which has destroyed the United States' world standing in moral responsibility and the same with the United Kingdom.

[Dentafrice]

Rep who gave you?

[scottish]

Jake :P

[Dentafrice]

Jake's a noob :P

[GommeInc]

She can tell her parents.. that's what they are there for?

I'm just saying.. there are other options then waiting and then saying.. what am I going to do? Then you're forced to decide between having the baby, or abortion.. not like in the early stages where you have more then those options.
The sad truth is though, loads of girls and even boys who have had sexual intercourse with girls without protection, will not tell their parents. They fear that they'll be told off or considering dirty or stupid, even though in some cases the parents will say this anyway.

[Technologic]

If a 12 year old gets raped by her uncle, I think it would be pretty wise for her to ******* tell someone.. not wait 9 months and say.. oh yeah.. I'm due to have a baby next week.. Uncle Billy-Bob raped me..

They can take care of these things the next morning.. or the next day.. and the baby is gone for good, but no.. they decide to wait.. and then abortion does become an option.. which is stupid, because it was their fault it came to that.
Pull that church out your ass and have some sense... She'd just been raped by her uncle, don't you think she'd be a little scared her parents might do it too...

[Dentafrice]

Pull that church out your ass and have some sense... She'd just been raped by her uncle, don't you think she'd be a little scared her parents might do it too...
Pull that stupidity out of your ass, and have some sense..

If my uncle hit me.. that doesn't mean my parents would hit me..? and vise versa.

When I got hit by my parents when I was young, I didn't turn around and think.. hey.. my uncle might hit me.. or my grandpa might hit me..

That's just a ******* stupid way of looking at it.

[Technologic]

Pull that stupidity out of your ass, and have some sense..

If my uncle hit me.. that doesn't mean my parents would hit me..? and vise versa.

When I got hit by my parents when I was young, I didn't turn around and think.. hey.. my uncle might hit me.. or my grandpa might hit me..

That's just a ******* stupid way of looking at it.
Being raped isn't exactly the same as a a parent hitting you for being bad.... People generally break down after being raped... they start to blame themselves, become scared of everything....

[Dentafrice]

Being raped isn't exactly the same as a a parent hitting you for being bad.... People generally break down after being raped... they start to blame themselves, become scared of everything....
Of course it isn't the same thing..

But that doesn't explain the stupidity of your statement above.. they are afraid their parents would do it too?

Of course.. :rolleyes:

[Technologic]

Of course it isn't the same thing..

But that doesn't explain the stupidity of your statement above.. they are afraid their parents would do it too?

Of course.. :rolleyes:
A family member has just raped you... who do you trust?

[Dentafrice]

My parents.. the people I've been with all the years of my life.. not my uncle, who has a family of his own.. and I don't see near 1/4th as much as I do my parents.. =\

[Technologic]

Bearing in mind the subject is 12 years old and probably has little understanding of what is going on do you really expect her to not be affected by what has happened...

[Ezzie.]

You really aren't getting this Denta >_<

[Dentafrice]

I'm getting it.. I just have an American/pro-choice point of view, and you don't.

It's the exact same the other way around, I could be saying "You really aren't getting this" also.

That's why pro-choice and pro-life people argue.

[Technologic]

How is a 12 year old girl being forcibly raped and told she has to have the child life? Explain. Where's the 'choice' in that eh?

[Dentafrice]

How is a 12 year old girl being forcibly raped and told she has to have the child life? Explain. Where's the 'choice' in that eh?
Where's the choice in having the baby, or having it pulled out of her in little pieces two months down the road?

Because that's where it's going to get to.. when it's her "choice".. it's either that.. or have the baby.

So you've just gotten raped by a guy in a parking lot.. you're going to have a baby, and you have the choice two months down the road: have the baby (and give it hope of having life.. adoption, etc) or take care of it with abortion..

So choose:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_04/babyDM2702_468x343.jpg

http://www.abort73.com/HTML/AbortionPictures/images/abortion-08-01.jpg

http://rottenamerica.net/images/Abortion/abortion05.jpg (Be warned image in link grotesque)


It's really.. "her choice".. that's pathetic.

[Ajax.]

Obama to win, I think mcain is to old.

[Technologic]

Where's the choice in having the baby, or having it pulled out of her in little pieces two months down the road?

Because that's where it's going to get to.. when it's her "choice".. it's either that.. or have the baby.

So you've just gotten raped by a guy in a parking lot.. you're going to have a baby, and you have the choice two months down the road: have the baby (and give it hope of having life.. adoption, etc) or take care of it with abortion..

So choose:




It's really.. "her choice".. that's pathetic.
What part of 'she is a 12 year old girl with little understanding of these things' do you not understand?

[Dentafrice]

What part of 'she is a 12 year old girl with little understanding of these things' do you not understand?
I understand it perfectly, that's why the **** she talks to her parents about it.. or someone.. and if they don't.. that's their own fault, because it's going to come up down the road..

Hey mom.. I'm just gaining weight for no apparent reason.. there's going to have to be some answers sometime..

When I was 12 years old.. I understood sex perfectly well.. just like any other normal 12 year old.. when your 12, you're one year away from being a teenager..

When you're 12 you're 3 years from learning to drive..

It's not like this is a six year old.. twelve year olds can halfway think on their own..

[Technologic]

So in your mind a 12 year old has knowledge of how to raise a child, is able to cope with the emotional and physical stress of childbirth, is able to cope with rape and is fully aware of the consequences if she feels to scared to talk to her parents about it?

[Virgin Mary]

Palin already said she wouldn't let her own daughter have an abortion if she was raped..she's a fundamentalist and a hick, incest is common to people like her. Besides, McCain is more liberal than she is and supports abortion under circumstances like rape.

[Technologic]

Palin already said she wouldn't let her own daughter have an abortion if she was raped..she's a fundamentalist and a hick, incest is common to people like her. Besides, McCain is more liberal than she is and supports abortion under circumstances like rape.
I couldn't have said it better myself

[Ezzie.]

Denta- can I just ask how far you go with pro choice ideals?
My mum had to have an abortion because the child had a desease which would've killed the child within a few hours/days, would've had the child deaf, blind, in alot of pain, not able to move properly, unable to talk properly, basically completely physically and mentally handicapped? Should that child be born? (my other brother got it and died at four, and another child also got it but died in the womb, 1/4 chance of me getting it)

[scottish]

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-GB&vid=df8ebf74-bc71-4c30-a957-10d3f39712c1&from=homepage_carousel

[RedStratocas]

Redwhateveryournameis; the way he structured the sentence was "All americans vote for obama" If he was saying to all americans, to vote for obama it would be been constructed like this; "All americans, vote for obama"

calm down there, nervous rick. i was merely pointing out your misinterpretation of his post, not defending his grammar.

[Ezzie.]

Lol, arnie criticising obama's physique?

http://www.popular-pics.com/ppimages/arnold-Schwarzenegger-before-after.jpg

[Virgin Mary]

It's a running for presidency, not the Mr World competition though.

[Ezzie.]

It's a running for presidency, not the Mr World competition though.

Very true
Although I love Arnie for his roles in the movies he's played.. he's about as knowledgable on politics as Chuck Norris is (see on youtube where he gets completely devastated in a debate )

[Fugato]

Whoever wins, it affects everyone.

[Blue.Neon]

Whoever wins, it affects everyone.

Exactly, thats why we cant let someone like Obama who wants to pull out of a war get president! he doesnt even believe in clean energy!!! teet he is

I hope McCain wins i really do!

[alexxxxx]

Exactly, thats why we cant let someone like Obama who wants to pull out of a war get president! he doesnt even believe in clean energy!!! teet he is

I hope McCain wins i really do!

if we pull out of the war, we spend less money and therefore improve our fianacial position.

And we are gonna get bombed again if we are in Iraq or not.

[Susie Dent]

Exactly, thats why we cant let someone like Obama who wants to pull out of a war get president! he doesnt even believe in clean energy!!! teet he is

I hope McCain wins i really do!
lol! Look: you're some racist thing from the north that moans about tax and black people. It's quite obvious why you don't want Obama to be president.

[CrazyColaist]

mcain supports incest. andshe wants abortion clinics removed

i for one are against abortion clinics but if you want to look after girls babies especialy ones which are from rape or incest go ahead but oboma gets my vote.

[scottish]

if we pull out of the war, we spend less money and therefore improve our fianacial position.

And we are gonna get bombed again if we are in Iraq or not.

Wrong, if we pull out of the war, less is spent on the war but that money will be spent on something else, so either way its money, it also means the people that was in the war will be back to the US/UK which means they will need jobs etc when not in combat or whatever, so either way.

[reeana]

Obama.

[Ezzie.]

Wrong, if we pull out of the war, less is spent on the war but that money will be spent on something else, so either way its money, it also means the people that was in the war will be back to the US/UK which means they will need jobs etc when not in combat or whatever, so either way.

No.. more units will be sent to Afghanistan.
The money will be spent on sorting out the economic crisis, tax reliefs etc.
The iraq government has a massive surplus of cash, so they can start paying now to support their own country and America can sort it's own country out also.

[scottish]

Time iraq sorts its country there'll be no surplus..

If units move from iraq to afghanistan there wont be any less money spent so there won't be money to spend on the economic crisis?

[Fugato]

There's one day to go until we find out :o

[Jahova]

I'd choose Obama.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N6voHeEa3ig
I mean..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_TiQCJXpbKg (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_TiQCJXpbKg)

[Swearwolf]

Obama, obviously.

[RedStratocas]

Time iraq sorts its country there'll be no surplus..

If units move from iraq to afghanistan there wont be any less money spent so there won't be money to spend on the economic crisis?

it's not like there's a set amount for the government to spend. that 700 billion dollars? they're adding on to taxes to get it. we spend 170 million dollars a day in iraq, all that money comes from taxes. so if we got out of iraq, that would be more money for citizens to have - or to spend on something else, thus helping the economy.

it's disgusting how much money we spend in iraq, money could be used on something actually useful. like, say, education.

[scottish]

it's not like there's a set amount for the government to spend. that 700 billion dollars? they're adding on to taxes to get it. we spend 170 million dollars a day in iraq, all that money comes from taxes. so if we got out of iraq, that would be more money for citizens to have - or to spend on something else, thus helping the economy.

it's disgusting how much money we spend in iraq, money could be used on something actually useful. like, say, education.


If we spent 170mil a day in iraq then if we moved our troops to afghanistan its still going to be the same?

[Technologic]

Screw afghanistan and iraq, the DR Congo is the next place to be!

[RedStratocas]

If we spent 170mil a day in iraq then if we moved our troops to afghanistan its still going to be the same?

depends, but i was just stating talking about if we pulled out all together.

[Pyroka]

Not even looking at any of the newest posts in this thread, heres my opinion on why Obama should win and McCain shouldnt. McCain is old-fashioned and will follow similiar policies which got George W. Bush, with republicans it's same old. I'd rather have Obama because it's new blood, and hey what has America got to lose? I mean, the KKK said they wanted Obama to win against Hilary Clinton... They supported a blackman in the presidential race, now doesn't that just show that times are changing?

Obama is for the younger generation, the ones which will be affected most by his changes. McCain will just please the older generations and won't look ahead. Thats just a small bit of opinion by me.

[scottish]

Not even looking at any of the newest posts in this thread, heres my opinion on why Obama should win and McCain shouldnt. McCain is old-fashioned and will follow similiar policies which got George W. Bush, with republicans it's same old. I'd rather have Obama because it's new blood, and hey what has America got to lose? I mean, the KKK said they wanted Obama to win against Hilary Clinton... They supported a blackman in the presidential race, now doesn't that just show that times are changing?

Obama is for the younger generation, the ones which will be affected most by his changes. McCain will just please the older generations and won't look ahead. Thats just a small bit of opinion by me.

Prove that the KKK would rather obama than hilary?

[Pyroka]

Prove that the KKK would rather obama than hilary?

http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?c=117&a=1227

if you want lol, photo says it all rly.

OK Actually, I feel a **** now LOL. Apparently that was an untrue giggle they had... damn LOL. I feel stupiiid :(

[scottish]

You should do too.

[Pyroka]

You should do too.

Wow, what got up your arse? :rolleyes: Lovely to see that the forum is all fun and friendly nowadays lol. If Obama wins, I'll be happy. If McCain wins, I'll be sad that Palin will be president. He'll pop his clogs during presidency for gods sake lol. Anyway, take a chill pill Sc0tteh, it's only politics.

[scottish]

He's 72? How old is your gran/grandad, i bet your their probably older than him. He's in perfect health....