Sulake cracking down on VIP

[LouisCollins]

Lol, They only don't like it because there loosing money, I bet there put out VIP for the habbo forum, lol

[leah]

Im behind that.
Me too!

[Mint]

I seriously think it's because of the credit crunch..


Parents are low on money
Kids want parents money for Habbo
Parents won't give it them because money is tight
Less money being spent on Habbo
Sulake are starting to feel the pinch
Sulake then stop fansites from selling VIP
The VIP buyers buy Habbo credits instead with there spair money
Sulake start to get a better income


And there you have it.

So I've got an idea; Don't buy Habbo credits untill they allow us to sell VIP.

[Yonder]

I dont know a lot of members/vip on this forum dont even play habbo.

[GoldenMerc]

LOL, That wont do a thing unfortually.
But like 75% of hxf dont use Habbo anymore.

[Black_Apalachi]

I think the only answer here will be for Habbox to declare itself not a Habbo fansite.... or at least make its forum completely unconnected to the main site.

It may mean having to change the domain and possibly give up official status (does being official make that much difference anyway?) and just carry on as normal. Perhaps if it was just changed to "habox", it wouldn't have the wird "Habbo" in it so Sulake couldn't really say anything?...

As somebody said, there's Runescape sections but Habbox isn't a Runescape fansite is it? So maybe it could just be a general online gaming fansite or something?

[HotelUser]

I seriously think it's because of the credit crunch..


Parents are low on money
Kids want parents money for Habbo
Parents won't give it them because money is tight
Less money being spent on Habbo
Sulake are starting to feel the pinch
Sulake then stop fansites from selling VIP
The VIP buyers buy Habbo credits instead with there spair money
Sulake start to get a better income


And there you have it.

So I've got an idea; Don't buy Habbo credits untill they allow us to sell VIP.



I think money being "tight" is irrelevant. The amount of money the average credit buyer would want to spend wouldn't be enough to cause problems. We're not exactly on the streets in soup lines:P.

[GoldenMerc]

I think the only answer here will be for Habbox to declare itself not a Habbo fansite.... or at least make its forum completely unconnected to the main site.

It may mean having to change the domain and possibly give up official status (does being official make that much difference anyway?) and just carry on as normal. Perhaps if it was just changed to "habox", it wouldn't have the wird "Habbo" in it so Sulake couldn't really say anything?...

As somebody said, there's Runescape sections but Habbox isn't a Runescape fansite is it? So maybe it could just be a general online gaming fansite or something?
Habbo still would have restrictions.

[Mint]

I think money being "tight" is irrelevant. The amount of money the average credit buyer would want to spend wouldn't be enough to cause problems. We're not exactly on the streets in soup lines:P.
All the fansites that sell VIP add up, It has to be to do with money because there is no other reason to be so mean. Unless they just want to be mean. :P

[HotelUser]

All the fansites that sell VIP add up, It has to be to do with money because there is no other reason to be so mean. Unless they just want to be mean. :P

Honestly the only two fansites with decent VIP sales are ClubHabbo and Habbox. Perhaps Sulake's worried about potential profit.

[Mint]

Honestly the only two fansites with decent VIP sales are ClubHabbo and Habbox. Perhaps Sulake's worried about potential profit.
Like I saidm Sulake will be feeling the pinch. Most parents are to scared to spend a few pounds on food, let alone give there kids money to waste on an online game. Sulake think that they can rake in a few more hundred quid if they stop fansites from taking in money from Habbo users.

[Bren]

Isn't kind of silly discussing plans in a thread that anyone can see. o.O

[Beau]

I think the only answer here will be for Habbox to declare itself not a Habbo fansite.... or at least make its forum completely unconnected to the main site.

It may mean having to change the domain and possibly give up official status (does being official make that much difference anyway?) and just carry on as normal. Perhaps if it was just changed to "habox", it wouldn't have the wird "Habbo" in it so Sulake couldn't really say anything?...

As somebody said, there's Runescape sections but Habbox isn't a Runescape fansite is it? So maybe it could just be a general online gaming fansite or something?

And guess what the new rule be then?

"Habbo Fansites affiliated with forums that offer VIP services will be removed."

Don't say it won't happen - if people try and sneak past the rule, then Habbo will make more.

[nvrspk4]

And guess what the new rule be then?

"Habbo Fansites affiliated with forums that offer VIP services will be removed."

Don't say it won't happen - if people try and sneak past the rule, then Habbo will make more.

Its already been done, I quote:


This includes not linking to any site that does not follow the fansite way, whether this is a scam site or premium VIP site or porn site.

You can't link to any site with premium membership (though this will obviously be selectively enforced, I doubt that they will do it for example for ads) but we can't have a link to any site where they suspect the fees are coming to us probably.

[dtmm]

And guess what the new rule be then?

"Habbo Fansites affiliated with forums that offer VIP services will be removed."

Don't say it won't happen - if people try and sneak past the rule, then Habbo will make more.

The forum uses Habbo images.

[GommeInc]

Honestly the only two fansites with decent VIP sales are ClubHabbo and Habbox. Perhaps Sulake's worried about potential profit.
You have to go up to someone at Habbo when they say that and go:

... So?

Don't they deserve something extra for advertising Habbo? They've written their own content and naturally that content won't be very negative (unless you have hate sites, but that's irrelevant). The site needs to survive and I don't see any problem with a fansite gaining money from it. Heck, anime fansites make a hell of a lot of money on the art form, hopefully they won't be attacked by someone, somehow, somewhere copyrighting anime art :P

[Mint]

If only Sulake would stop us from selling VIP but pay Habbox's site fees.

[HotelUser]

You have to go up to someone at Habbo when they say that and go:

... So?

Don't they deserve something extra for advertising Habbo? They've written their own content and naturally that content won't be very negative (unless you have hate sites, but that's irrelevant). The site needs to survive and I don't see any problem with a fansite gaining money from it. Heck, anime fansites make a hell of a lot of money on the art form, hopefully they won't be attacked by someone, somehow, somewhere copyrighting anime art :P
I don't know what point you're trying to get across, but I think you're missreading what I'm saying. I'm against the removal of VIP (as says the signature I've created).


Like I saidm Sulake will be feeling the pinch. Most parents are to scared to spend a few pounds on food, let alone give there kids money to waste on an online game. Sulake think that they can rake in a few more hundred quid if they stop fansites from taking in money from Habbo users.

They wouldn't care about a few hundred pounds. They make millions.

[Mint]

I don't know what point you're trying to get across, but I think you're missreading what I'm saying. I'm against the removal of VIP (as says the signature I've created).



They wouldn't care about a few hundred pounds. They make millions.
They won't be making millions durning the credit crunch.

[Yonder]

I dont know they will be making a lot still maybe not as much as they used to before this "credit crunch" but this rule was around before the credit crunch started to hit us hard anyways.

[Mint]

I dont know they will be making a lot still maybe not as much as they used to before this "credit crunch" but this rule was around before the credit crunch started to hit us hard anyways.
Well tbh if it isn't to do with business then this must just be out of pure evilness.

[Yonder]

I think their excuse will be it helps stop scamming "people making forums charging for VIP and diappearing with the money". But thats rare very rare. So they have another reason which im sure they will not share with us.

[GoldenMerc]

I know alot of people who do that today

[Mint]

I think their excuse will be it helps stop scamming "people making forums charging for VIP and diappearing with the money". But thats rare very rare. So they have another reason which im sure they will not share with us.
No they say that they don't want Fansites charging for premium service.


It's all 'bout the money
It's all 'bout the dum dum.......
And I don't think It's funny
to see us fade away
It's all 'bout the money
It's all 'bout the dum dum...
and I think we got it all wrong anyway

[Yonder]

Yes i know but there has to be a reason that they want to stop fansites charging for premium services. ie scammin' could be the reason, but i believe that would be the excuse they would give when really they have another alternate reason mainly aimed to kick fansites in the privates area.

[Metric1]

What can Habbo do besides make Habbox un-official? I don't think that it's that big of a deal.

[Metric1]

I don't think that VIP is premium access. A regular member has access to all of the features a VIP member would, they are just altered, with the exception of the VIP sub forums (but we all know nothing goes on in there, so regular members aren't missing anything). I think premium access would be like, a regular member can only post 20 posts per-day, and a premium member can post an unlimited number of posts per-day.

If Habbo wants to be so **** about the use of premium access to forums, then they need to discontinue Habbo Club, because it's the same as premium access to a forum, HC ROOMS, HC BADGES, HC PRIVLAGES, and HC QUEUING. I think that Habbo Club is worse than ‘premium access’ because it is a way to make profit, ‘premium access’ is a way to keep a forum open.


Sorry for the double post, but I couldn't edit my last post and I was sure somebody would have posted before I was done this one!

[HotelUser]

No they say that they don't want Fansites charging for premium service.
So we should continue selling VIP using a loop hole, and risk Sulake finding out and destroying Habbox?


It's all 'bout the money
It's all 'bout the dum dum.......
And I don't think It's funny
to see us fade away
It's all 'bout the money
It's all 'bout the dum dum...
and I think we got it all wrong anyway


:eusa_wall:eusa_wall


What can Habbo do besides make Habbox un-official? I don't think that it's that big of a deal.

Sulake is able to say, "you don't play by our rules, we wont allow you to use the word "habbo" in your title, on your fansite, or use any of our graphics."

[Metric1]

So we should continue selling VIP using a loop hole, and risk Sulake finding out and destroying Habbox?

:eusa_wall:eusa_wall



Sulake is able to say, "you don't play by our rules, we wont allow you to use the word "habbo" in your title, on your fansite, or use any of our graphics."

and....

[cunning]

Habbo doesn't like the idea of people making money from their product. Even for extra features on a forum.

Sulake is really twisted, it just doesn't make sense. I mean, I understand if someone was selling a "Habbo" shirt for some money, but VIP features...that's ridiculous, flat out.

[HotelUser]

and....

and...your post was pointless:P.

[Mattch]

From me to sulake

U dont own the god damn intent or this site so u can stick your rule right up your *** tbh if these sites didnt exist nor would Habbo!

[Metric1]

and...your post was pointless:P.

I don't see how, there are a ton of sites that use Habbo graphics, good luck getting all of them shut down.

It's not like Habbo is losing money because people are spending money on premium access to forums and not on credits because Habbo does not take paypal (which is stupid imo) and most 12-18 year-olds do not have a real credit card so how are they losing money.

I think this is absolutely ridiculous and if I was the owner of this forum, or any other fan site forum (official or not) that e-mail would be laughed at and deleted.

[HotelUser]

I don't see how, there are a ton of sites that use Habbo graphics, good luck getting all of them shut down.
Yeah, it's not like a multi-million dollar company with international copyrights has lawyers:D.

It's not like Habbo is losing money because people are spending money on premium access to forums and not on creditsRead my posts, that's what I'm saying.
because Habbo does not take paypal (which is stupid imo) and most 12-18 year-olds do not have a real credit card so how are they losing money.
I totally agree. I never understood why Sulake never intergrated paying with PayPal. A stupid mistake on their part.

I think this is absolutely ridiculous and if I was the owner of this forum, or any other fan site forum (official or not) that e-mail would be laughed at and deleted.
I'm glad you're not the owner of this forum, because we would then be shut down by Sulake.

[Metric1]

What are they going to sue for? Habbox doesn't have any valuable assets.

[HotelUser]

What are they going to sue for? Habbox doesn't have any valuable assets.


Threaten to shut us down, if we refuse.....sue Sierk and Nvrspk4 for they would say, "reparations". I disagree with what Sulake's doing, but the course of action that's chosen to save VIP cannot be to ignore Sulake's demands.

[Mint]

We cannot egnore their email but we can put up a fight as long as we have good reasons that we can back up.

[HotelUser]

We cannot egnore their email but we can put up a fight as long as we have good reasons that we can back up.

Exactly. +rep.

[Metric1]

I say just ignore the email and see how bad it gets.

[Mint]

I say just ignore the email and see how bad it gets.
It's not like they are just gonna forget about it, they will come back at us harder.

[HotelUser]

I say just ignore the email and see how bad it gets.

Once again I really want to express how glad I am that you are not in charge of Habbox:P. This would only result in trouble.

..and...thanks for the revenge rep;).

[Rapidshare]

Once again I really want to express how glad I am that you are not in charge of Habbox:P. This would only result in trouble.

..and...thanks for the revenge rep;).


Mind shutting up about how your glad that he not incharge of habbox?


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Edited by Hayd93 (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not be rude.

[HotelUser]

Mind shutting up about how your glad that he not incharge of habbox?


"/

No, it's a legitimate thing to say. For if the e-mail was ignored we would simply be shut down.

[Rapidshare]

No, it's a legitimate thing to say. For if the e-mail was ignored we would simply be shut down.


No, after saying it number of times is just annoying and pointless.

[JoeyK.]

So it's okay for Habbo to charge people to pay to maintain their own sites through their own premium membership, HC, but not okay for fansites to do the same.

Looks like someone's trying to sell a few extra credits.

[Mint]

So it's okay for Habbo to charge people to pay to maintain their own sites through their own premium membership, HC, but not okay for fansites to do the same.

Looks like someone's trying to sell a few extra credits.
Well yeh, All Habbo fansites should make an announcement saying "Do not spend money with Habbo untill they let us sell VIP". If this is because of money and everyone listened to the announcement then it would work. But I doubt that this would ever happen.

[HotelUser]

No, after saying it number of times is just annoying and pointless.

I wouldn't necessarily say stating it twice is "a number of times":rolleyes:.


Well yeh, All Habbo fansites should make an announcement saying "Do not spend money with Habbo untill they let us sell VIP". If this is because of money and everyone listened to the announcement then it would work. But I doubt that this would ever happen.

If we did something that drastic then there would be repercussions. I think we can only attempt to reason with them, maybe get a huge petition.

[Metric1]

did anyone ever think that making such a big deal about it would make habbo want to take action on their claim?

[Beau]

It's a bad move by Sulake, but really, Habbox, or other fansites in general shouldn't be trying to avoid it in any way. Nothing they can do will fix this issue.

There are plenty of ways to make a decent amount of money online without resorting to premium services anyway. Fansites are just going to have to explore those instead.

[Gasm]

'habbox.com' is the official fansite though and 'habboxforum.com' isn't the official fansite... so shouldn't habbox be ok?

[Black_Apalachi]

Erm, has there been any further information or ideas on this topic? I don't feel like sifting through half a ton of posts, a lot of which are just people arguing anyway. Thanks.. anyone :).

[VaporSkill]

Why are they enforcing this rule, members dont mind? No one on this forum nor clubhabbo have complained about having to buy VIP? So whats the problem?

Idk, maybe there worried people might buy V.I.P instead of habboclub :P

[Black_Apalachi]

Edit: I read back a few pages.

Thanks Ross for Redtiz's letter :O.

My comments are in purple:


Ahh I think there's a bit of confusion here. It's not about whether a
fansite is official or unofficial...or even whether it's a fansite in
fact. Every graphic, article and piece of code on Habbo's sites is owned
by Sulake as is the trademark 'Habbo', and as the owner Sulake governs
how these things are used (or not used) by anyone else.

Why are they no longer allowing fansites to sell items/premium services?
Unfortunately because a significant number of fansites around the world
were doing such things as selling t-shirts with Habbo images on or
charging users to access clones of certain features such as Habbo Homes.

+rep to first person that posts a link to a site selling Habbo t-shirts :@. Even if a site were doing this, who in their right mind would be buying them?!

Just as you can't download Rhianna's latest hit and decide to charge
others 30p a time to download it from your own site, so you can't use
Sulake's intellectual property, copyrights or trademarks to generate
income. Sulake decided to make it clear that this couldn't be done via
the Fansite Way as the Terms are quite 'heavy reading'.

More like they CBA looking around for sites that have these features and shutting them down. Besides, the only fansite I've seen with a "clone" of Habbo Homes is HabboRemix I think. And didn't ClubHabbo do it for a bit but then stopped? And I've never seen anyone selling Habbo t-shirts.

Some fansites do need to generate money to offset costs and they can
STILL do this via the following methods (and probably more they can
think of):

* User donation - they can't give a premium service or an item in return
as that's simply 'selling' by another name, but they can thank the
donator by giving them greater exposure on the site....badges, banners,
name printed somewhere, different colour on username, radio shout-outs etc

Err... isn't that called "VIP" love? :S What features does Habbox VIP have other than greater exposure to the site and different name colours? THAT'S ALL IT IS! WTH IS SHE ON ABOUT? FGS.

* Site sponsorship (eg approaching some company with all their site
stats and seeing if they'll cover hosting costs in return for ads or a
branded site)
* Ad revenue

Obviously this doesn't generate enough as Habbox has adverts but is still facing a problem.

If they don't want to do the above then they can continue to charge but
not use any of Sulake's intellectual property on the site

So basically, get rid of the banner, Habbox avatars/signatures and the Console icons and you're sorted? Any alts etc. posted by users is out of Habbox's control and therefore can not beused against them by Sulake :).

Hope that explains clears things up.

No, not really (that doesn't even make sense) :rolleyes:.

So couldn't Habbox just remove all Habbo-related images from the forum and then it's sound? Or of course, show Sulake that according to Redtiz, they're doing nothing wrong? :)

[HotelUser]

It's a bad move by Sulake, but really, Habbox, or other fansites in general shouldn't be trying to avoid it in any way. Nothing they can do will fix this issue.

There are plenty of ways to make a decent amount of money online without resorting to premium services anyway. Fansites are just going to have to explore those instead.

I wouldn't say plenty. We'll just have to see if advertisements are going to be enough to keep Habbox up. If money from advertisements is poor, downgrades to the Habbox server are inevitable.

[Shawnstra]

Yes i know but there has to be a reason that they want to stop fansites charging for premium services. ie scammin' could be the reason, but i believe that would be the excuse they would give when really they have another alternate reason mainly aimed to kick fansites in the privates area.

Yeah. Everything has a risk. When you eat, you risk getting choked. When you go out, you risked getting attacked by a mugger. (exaggeration much? :P) But, how probable are these? Habbox is a very large site, and will not ruin their reputation over a few dollars. Habbo should really see the big picture and realise that without this method of income, (adsense pays little, and most people use FF and have adblock plus), fansites will not be able to support themselves, and the Habbo community will crumble.

Let's all pressure Habbo! :D

[Yonder]

Yes we should.



Some fansites do need to generate money to offset costs and they can
STILL do this via the following methods (and probably more they can
think of):

* User donation - they can't give a premium service or an item in return
as that's simply 'selling' by another name, but they can thank the
donator by giving them greater exposure on the site....badges, banners,
name printed somewhere, different colour on username, radio shout-outs etc

Err... isn't that called "VIP" love? :S What features does Habbox VIP have other than greater exposure to the site and different name colours? THAT'S ALL IT IS! WTH IS SHE ON ABOUT? FGS.

What the ... so all we have to do is change name to "donators/donations", pathetic much?

[GoldenMerc]

Emma is gna hate me for leaking this LOL.
Anyways i dont think there going to back out now all this fuss has happned, I personally think fansites should pay a small charge a year to be able to operate a 'habbo' fansite then they should be allowed to sell VIP
that would be pretty sweet.

[GommeInc]

I do like the way she says "You can give them a premium service *by donating*."

I'd just keep selling VIP, if someone like RedTiz has clarified that premium services are allowed, then keep selling them and refer any complaints to RedTiz :rolleyes:

[Yonder]

Emma is gna hate me for leaking this LOL.
Anyways i dont think there going to back out now all this fuss has happned, I personally think fansites should pay a small charge a year to be able to operate a 'habbo' fansite then they should be allowed to sell VIP
that would be pretty sweet.

Thats gonna make starting up a fansite which is meant to be a fun hobby hard and turn it into a job.

[nvrspk4]

I just got a reply back from Redtiz who says "You can't sell premium services on a site USING Habbo content or images etc."

For those who say to make HabboxForum sans-Habbo images, we would also have to remove all links to HabboxForum on Habbox and HabboxLive.

[Previewer]

I just got a reply back from Redtiz who says "You can't sell premium services on a site USING Habbo content or images etc."

For those who say to make HabboxForum sans-Habbo images, we would also have to remove all links to HabboxForum on Habbox and HabboxLive.


if you removed the link we would need some other type of advertisment?

[cunning]

There is no need to change site name but habbo may force HxF to removed all images including alts in a habbo style and maybe even any reference to habbo :s


Perhaps the forum could be owned by another person........ (just change name and address on domain name etc to anything) habbox.com distance itself as much as is needed from hxf.

Personally I would tell them to get F***** and see just how far they are going to take it. I imagine they would ban sierk's habbo accounts and demand their images are removed :s

After selling something for over 4 years and then habbo deciding it is not allowed would most likely be laughed out of court in they were stupid enough to take it that far.

There is no way Habbox could keep running without its donations so i dont think there is much option but to ignore the morons at habbo and let them do their worst.

Habbox is the most popular fansite in habbos history and so many people use it imagine if the domain got into the wrong hands? If it was pushed so far habbox had no option to stop donations I would sell the domain name to a po.rn site or site that advertises po.rn :o sierk would make a packet from such a popular domain and imagine the damage such a move would do to habbo and sulake :) alot more damage than habbox getting a few donations each month.

I am sick to death of Habbo and their money grabbing tactics and now bullying ways towards sites that help promote them. Imagine if all the fansites closed :o there are so many habbos who only go on habbo due to their jobs on fansites because they enjoy their fansite work more than a game that has limited things to excite us and keep you going back
Sulake/Habbo you should remember that without such sites you would not be anywhere near as popular as yo are and this move is not only a pathetic money grabbing attempt but also a huge kick in the teeth to the habbos who have stuck with you over the years.

Look at file sharing and torrent sites :) all this sort of crap takes years to get to court and sorted out. As i said if habbo complained about this 4 years ago OK but as they didnt they are looking petty ******* ******s which infact they are.

I have alot of time for Habbox and especially HxF and although in my opinion it lost its way a little the last year or so I will do what I can to help defend it and keep it up and running.
I have saved no end of important things from habbo over my 7 years there and some of it is very negative towards sulake/habbo :o I dont want to say what just yet but will be trying to get my limited english working enough to write a good article that will be far more damaging to sulake than a few fansites that get donations to help keep running. I will see how it goes over this and then if they continue to bully I will be emailing every newspaper, magazine and anything else i can think of and im sure some would investigate and take up the story.

Habbo you have sunk to an all time low for you and believe me that is low.
I hope we can find out who exactly made this decision and the reasons be explained to us all.


I suggest Habbox emails all other official sites offering vip etc and make their own list of habbo related sites and all resign from habbo's crappy dictatorship (official list) as being official means jack **** since callie left :o people either loved her or hated her but she really did alot for the community including alot of fansite events etc.

@club habbo
You should fight them with the other sites instead of doing what they ask unless they have promised you all another badge for being good? :rolleyes:


This is good, I like it. +rep

[jrh2002]

I just got a reply back from Redtiz who says "You can't sell premium services on a site USING Habbo content or images etc."

For those who say to make HabboxForum sans-Habbo images, we would also have to remove all links to HabboxForum on Habbox and HabboxLive.

Remove all links sure :) but remember this



Redtiz
You can use third party advertising

Advertise HabboxForum.com in the banners on Habbox and Habbox Live?
of course HxF might need to change ownership.



When habbo demands the banners are removed take out 3rd party advertising :) maybe even approach other Habbo Fansites?

[leah]

I still don't see how they can justify habblefm being allowed to sell VIP... They shouldn't have favorites?Can't we complain about it or something?

[jrh2002]

I still don't see how they can justify habblefm being allowed to sell VIP... They shouldn't have favorites?Can't we complain about it or something?


Habbox is huge now so if habbo can damage them to knock them down they will :o I am sure after december the 1st any sites still selling VIP will be reported and if its not removed then the others should just start selling it again lol

[leah]

Welll habbo are just plain daft if they're jealous of a site that help promote them. :$Im sure Lost_witness PMd habbleFM owner and said it was okay for him to continue selling VIP. If they do continue then habbox should do the same.

[Grig]

For those who said make another servive, website, forum etc. that will be perceived to be not affiliated to Habbox is a dull view, because that will mean even more money in setting it up- so I wouldn't view that as being profitable. This move may also mean Habbox may eventually have to remove this 'Want your ad here? Click here or send an email to [email protected]', because in Sulake's terms that would be counted as for example Habbo's or people paying for a service within the website, which is just plain stupid. The only reason the V.I.P is targeted is because they want the money, this is a monopoly as would be expected, sure they want to and will try and monopolise as much as possible, especially the money 'linked' to Habbo.

I also think this V.I.P issue was one of the reasons that one of the most popular CA fansites (Habbo Remix) has just recently lost its official status. But I think the most they can do is remove official status, they really from what I am seeing on other hotels aren't prepared to close such things down.

[Mint]

I just got a reply back from Redtiz who says "You can't sell premium services on a site USING Habbo content or images etc."

For those who say to make HabboxForum sans-Habbo images, we would also have to remove all links to HabboxForum on Habbox and HabboxLive.
Well let's just do that then.

[GoldenMerc]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=5304911&postcount=452

That post needs removed.

[Rapidshare]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=5304911&postcount=452

That post needs removed.


y?????????

[Decode]

Remove all links sure :) but remember this



Advertise HabboxForum.com in the banners on Habbox and Habbox Live?
of course HxF might need to change ownership.



When habbo demands the banners are removed take out 3rd party advertising :) maybe even approach other Habbo Fansites?
They can't stop text links to Habbox or Habbox live, that's like saying google can't give links to fansites that sell vip.

[Minstrels]

Well I use the non-Habbo skin so they can... GET THE **** OFF MY BACK THE ******* **** **** HEADS. :rolleyes:

Can I stock up on VIP or will it be removed? :rolleyes:

[GoldenMerc]

"Fansites must not:
- Publish any personal information, pictures, video or documents
belonging to Sulake Corporation Oy."

An email is a document.

[Decode]

"Fansites must not:
- Publish any personal information, pictures, video or documents
belonging to Sulake Corporation Oy."

An email is a document.
And? Sulake arn't going to do anything about it.

[GoldenMerc]

Want to bet, I just recived a email telling me of for posting it.

[Rapidshare]

Ahh I think there's a bit of confusion here. It's not about whether a
fansite is official or unofficial...or even whether it's a fansite in
fact. Every graphic, article and piece of code on Habbo's sites is owned
by Sulake as is the trademark 'Habbo', and as the owner Sulake governs
how these things are used (or not used) by anyone else.

Why are they no longer allowing fansites to sell items/premium services?
Unfortunately because a significant number of fansites around the world
were doing such things as selling t-shirts with Habbo images on or
charging users to access clones of certain features such as Habbo Homes.
Just as you can't download Rhianna's latest hit and decide to charge
others 30p a time to download it from your own site, so you can't use
Sulake's intellectual property, copyrights or trademarks to generate
income. Sulake decided to make it clear that this couldn't be done via
the Fansite Way as the Terms are quite 'heavy reading'.


Some fansites do need to generate money to offset costs and they can
STILL do this via the following methods (and probably more they can
think of):

* User donation - they can't give a premium service or an item in return
as that's simply 'selling' by another name, but they can thank the
donator by giving them greater exposure on the site....badges, banners,
name printed somewhere, different colour on username, radio shout-outs etc
* Site sponsorship (eg approaching some company with all their site
stats and seeing if they'll cover hosting costs in return for ads or a
branded site)
* Ad revenue

If they don't want to do the above then they can continue to charge but
not use any of Sulake's intellectual property on the site

Hope that explains clears things up. Well they can email me to remove it now.

[email protected]

[GoldenMerc]

I got emailed that first, Then i posted here then go another email from emma. So mmmmmm

[jackass]

I actually hate Sulake? :S

[Immenseman]

I actually hate Sulake? :S

I think it's stupid, yeah. However, they're a company and the one goal all companies share is to make money and as much as they can. I think it's relatively ludicrous they're trying to implement such plans but do I blame them? Certainly not. To say you hate them is such a huge generalisation the wage they pay their staff members feed families, lol.

[Nereo]

I actually hate Sulake? :S

You cant go round "hating" companies as a whole, its just the people in charge of those companies really :P

If I thought there was any point in hating companies I would hate Nike, Coca-cola, Adidas, Sulake, Microsoft, Sony and sooo many others :P

Although this rule is a bit pointless I have to say.

[Decode]

Well they can email me to remove it now.

[email protected]
lol :P

oopps

EDIT: Removed because its against the forum rules and I already have 7 infractions :P

[HotelUser]

lol :P

oopps

EDIT: Removed because its against the forum rules and I already have 7 infractions :P

Looks like you can use Google :D!

[jrh2002]

They can't stop text links to Habbox or Habbox live, that's like saying google can't give links to fansites that sell vip.

If you are an official fansite habbo can ask you to remove links or banners etc to whatever sites they dont want you to advertise and if you dont then expect to be removed as official.

[Middlesbrough]

Why dont we just make it an general forum?
well just have habbo as one of our subforums

[Metric1]

I just got a reply back from Redtiz who says "You can't sell premium services on a site USING Habbo content or images etc."

For those who say to make HabboxForum sans-Habbo images, we would also have to remove all links to HabboxForum on Habbox and HabboxLive.

maybe premium access memeber could get those links back ;)

[Black_Apalachi]

Well.. EVERYONE comes to habbox for rare values, so there could be a slight cost to access the page.. merely like a "rare values" account.

Wouldn't that be exactly what they're telling us not to do?


Yes we should.



What the ... so all we have to do is change name to "donators/donations", pathetic much?


Looks like it. We should do this and if they complain, blame Redtiz :rolleyes:.


Emma is gna hate me for leaking this LOL.
Anyways i dont think there going to back out now all this fuss has happned, I personally think fansites should pay a small charge a year to be able to operate a 'habbo' fansite then they should be allowed to sell VIP
that would be pretty sweet.

Well surely any one of us could have emailed them as you did and received something similar anyway? And if they told you to remove it from here, that must mean they actually read the forums? LOL


Thats gonna make starting up a fansite which is meant to be a fun hobby hard and turn it into a job.

Exatcly. I'm scared :(.



I think it's stupid, yeah. However, they're a company and the one goal all companies share is to make money and as much as they can. I think it's relatively ludicrous they're trying to implement such plans but do I blame them? Certainly not. To say you hate them is such a huge generalisation the wage they pay their staff members feed families, lol.

Jake were you banned? ...What for?

[Supersam]

You cant go round "hating" companies as a whole, its just the people in charge of those companies really :P

If I thought there was any point in hating companies I would hate Nike, Coca-cola, Adidas, Sulake, Microsoft, Sony and sooo many others :P

Although this rule is a bit pointless I have to say.

You can perfectly well hate companies. I do hate all those companies. Mainly as most of them are the major offenders of child labour and produce their products for tiny fractions of what they sell them for.

What sulake are doing is just disgusting as far as I can see. Habbox is a Habbo FANsite as are all the others. I dont think HxF should show any support for a company that is willing to trample on it's supporters.

[GommeInc]

I just got a reply back from Redtiz who says "You can't sell premium services on a site USING Habbo content or images etc."

For those who say to make HabboxForum sans-Habbo images, we would also have to remove all links to HabboxForum on Habbox and HabboxLive.
So The Times, BBC and any other news websites that link to Habbo are technically in control of Sulake? They cannot do that and have no legal obligation to stop a non-Habbo site linking to a Habbo one. What you got told is utter nonsense and you should probably email her back saying they have no legal grounds to stand on, and should probably tell big, more corporate companies that Sulake are coming to get them if those Habbo.co.uk links aren't removed :rolleyes:

They really are a pathetic company, they're just coming out with ideas on how they don't want to be advertised :/

For a socio-economic company, they are very very lousy :/ They're cutting out the social part of the business, which for a social/community website, isn't at all wise.

[Mint]

If only we could of ignored it and then tell them that our emails spam blocker must of blocked their email haha.

[The Professor]

I think it's stupid, yeah. However, they're a company and the one goal all companies share is to make money and as much as they can. I think it's relatively ludicrous they're trying to implement such plans but do I blame them? Certainly not. To say you hate them is such a huge generalisation the wage they pay their staff members feed families, lol.

I disagree, its a ludicrous move to cut the source of income for their fansites. It may (and if there's any justice in the world, should) actually cause them to lose users and therefore money; I know my stay on habbo was prolonged by a long time thanks to Hx (&HxF) and the interest it gave me in the game. I think most people can deduce the thinking behind the move (to bring more money towards sulake instead of being given to fansites) but it doesn't appear to have been thought out past there.

Imo, to wreck a community with no obvious gain is more than enough grounds to hate a company

[GommeInc]

I disagree, its a ludicrous move to cut the source of income for their fansites. It may (and if there's any justice in the world, should) actually cause them to lose users and therefore money; I know my stay on habbo was prolonged by a long time thanks to Hx (&HxF) and the interest it gave me in the game. I think most people can deduce the thinking behind the move (to bring more money towards sulake instead of being given to fansites) but it doesn't appear to have been thought out past there.

Imo, to wreck a community with no obvious gain is more than enough grounds to hate a company
Exactly, and adding to that:

There is absolutely no problem with fansites making profit so that they can sustain themselves. It's fair anyway, fansites:

Naturally puts in good words for Habbo.
Keep the target audience interested.
Host events on Habbo.
Offer trading values for furniture.
Offer furni/credit tips and tricks.
Offer news to keep the audience interested and updated.
Are advertised on Google in Google Search. People click the links (Habbo players or otherwise) and they will eventually be linked to Habbo with enough exploration.

So Habbo actually benefit from fansites and the fansites benefit from Habbo. They both need each other, Habbo will be an awful place when the money wells fansites have are dried up forcing them to close.

It's like popstars having fans, but no-where for the fans to discuss the popstars. A huge target group of audience doesn't exist.

I think fansites deserve having a piece of the ever fattening pie Habbo are diving into ;)

[Hated]

Can't we just pretend we're a runescape fansite lol

[AgnesIO]

Can't we just pretend we're a runescape fansite lol


Yeh why not, 'we just feel like saying habbo in our name, but really we're runxforum' that'll work.

[Hated]

great then we're sorted
i have saved the day

[Habtopia]

im gonna open habtopia.co.uk on my own hosting and sell premium service
and ill see them in court.

Might even pretend to sell habbo mug coasters and stuff.

[Jord]

This is silly,


Habbox sells VIP To pay for the fee for the site to stay open, If this take down the VIP sulake will have no fan sites left what so ever.

[Black_Apalachi]

...
Offer news to keep the audience interested and updated.
...

Yeah not to mention fansites actually have decent guides to keep the audience updated unlike the ****** group pages Habbo now use to tell you about Battleball and SnowStorm (that actually have false information on them) :rolleyes:.

[Wig44.]

If you made an image which resembles 'habbo graphics' from scratch they can't touch you. If you made an exact copy of one of their models, even from scratch then they can tell you to remove it.

You can't own a type of graphic.

[Wig44.]

I think it's stupid, yeah. However, they're a company and the one goal all companies share is to make money and as much as they can. I think it's relatively ludicrous they're trying to implement such plans but do I blame them? Certainly not. To say you hate them is such a huge generalisation the wage they pay their staff members feed families, lol.

Oh and just to put what you said straight. This is sulake shooting themselves in the foot. This will NOT make them any decent money. They think what we spend on VIP will be spent on credits which is a massively STUPID (for want of a better word) idea. People won't magically replace VIP with credits, it does not work like that. And when the fansites die from financial problems, not only will people blame habbo and leave, but people who don't blame them will have less incentives to stay and would be players will not be attracted to habbo as often with no fansites around to promote the game. There a parade of reasons which I have not expressed but I simply can't be bothered. If habbo do this it's like thinking, I'll stick single glazing in my windows not double to save money!! When it is common knowledge you then use way more electricity to keep the house warm with the heat escaping much more easily. A shot in the foot.

[AgnesIO]

Oh and just to put what you said straight. This is sulake shooting themselves in the foot. This will NOT make them any decent money. They think what we spend on VIP will be spent on credits which is a massively STUPID (for want of a better word) idea. People won't magically replace VIP with credits, it does not work like that. And when the fansites die from financial problems, not only will people blame habbo and leave, but people who don't blame them will have less incentives to stay and would be players will not be attracted to habbo as often with no fansites around to promote the game. There a parade of reasons which I have not expressed but I simply can't be bothered. If habbo do this it's like thinking, I'll stick single glazing in my windows not double to save money!! When it is common knowledge you then use way more electricity to keep the house warm with the heat escaping much more easily. A shot in the foot.

You should know sulake ARE stupid. They are lucky to be where thy are now. IMO.

[Originalmoh]

Habbox needs to find a solution very quick before its too late :(

[AgnesIO]

DISASTER DISASTER :O




What a silly post.

[GoldenMerc]

No their not, They baught Habbo cheap and look where it is. They arnt lucky at all they have structure. but obv this is taking them back i dont have a clue why they are doing this.

[HotelUser]

You should know sulake ARE stupid. They are lucky to be where thy are now. IMO.

What fatal mistakes have they made?

[Fellun]

Sulake is enforcing this cause maybe they lost 1k a year off this? After making over 10M for habbo it is stupid to do this.

[MissAlice]

So Habbo actually benefit from fansites and the fansites benefit from Habbo. They both need each other, Habbo will be an awful place when the money wells fansites have are dried up forcing them to close.

It's like popstars having fans, but no-where for the fans to discuss the popstars. A huge target group of audience doesn't exist.

I think fansites deserve having a piece of the ever fattening pie Habbo are diving into ;)

You hit the nail on the head there. Sulake benefit all round. What does Sulake do for fansites exactly? Apart from the obvious official seal? What are the real benefits of being official, I'm curious!

[GommeInc]

You hit the nail on the head there. Sulake benefit all round. What does Sulake do for fansites exactly? Apart from the obvious official seal? What are the real benefits of being official, I'm curious!
Nothing, other than more hits :P Being official isn't as amazing as the days of old. I feel so old for saying that :P

[nvrspk4]

The issue is not so much being official anymore. As you've said being official does nothing except some more exposure and very very limited Sulake endorsement of certain events.

However there is no longer a dividing line between official or unofficial, it is still not allowed for us to sell VIP either way. So the issue is what to do. It looks at this point that the charity event may be allowed after some back and forth with them, its rather hard to say no to a charity event. But as of January first we'll need to have a plan of action and we're working on that right now, we were going to work one together fast but now since we have till January first we are going to take it slower and create as flawless a plan as possible and perhaps get some official correspondence and/or opinions to make sure we have a viable solution that will allow Habbox to keep running :)

EDIT: I know this seems insubstantial, I'll be honest with you right now we have the basics of a plan going, we have a few possibilities, I just don't think it a good idea to put our plans in the public view at the moment especially in light of the fact that I am being contacted to remove specific posts in this thread ;)

[jrh2002]

The issue is not so much being official anymore. As you've said being official does nothing except some more exposure and very very limited Sulake endorsement of certain events.

However there is no longer a dividing line between official or unofficial, it is still not allowed for us to sell VIP either way. So the issue is what to do. It looks at this point that the charity event may be allowed after some back and forth with them, its rather hard to say no to a charity event. But as of January first we'll need to have a plan of action and we're working on that right now, we were going to work one together fast but now since we have till January first we are going to take it slower and create as flawless a plan as possible and perhaps get some official correspondence and/or opinions to make sure we have a viable solution that will allow Habbox to keep running :)

EDIT: I know this seems insubstantial, I'll be honest with you right now we have the basics of a plan going, we have a few possibilities, I just don't think it a good idea to put our plans in the public view at the moment especially in light of the fact that I am being contacted to remove specific posts in this thread ;)

So they are reading this thread and still cant see they are making a big mistake :s has BIG becs returned to sulake? seems like a crazy idea of hers with her vendetta against habbox.

I have an awful lot of furni I want to get rid of and was thinking of donating but that would give more ppl furni and keep them on habbo :o maybe i should just delete it all.

Can we have some more non habbo forum skins please? i dont like the one you have but im using it because I dont want to see anything that reminds me of that good for nothing money grabbing company.

[GoldenMerc]

Still hasnt been removed, nvr is gna get his ass kicked by redtiz

[HotelUser]

So they are reading this thread and still cant see they are making a big mistake :s has BIG becs returned to sulake? seems like a crazy idea of hers with her vendetta against habbox.

I hope they liked my signature:P.

[jrh2002]

I hope they liked my signature:P.

Maybe it should be more insulting lol :8




Quote Redtiz:

Ahh I think there's a bit of confusion here. It's not about whether a
fansite is official or unofficial...or even whether it's a fansite in
fact. Every graphic, article and piece of code on Habbo's sites is owned
by Sulake as is the trademark 'Habbo', and as the owner Sulake governs
how these things are used (or not used) by anyone else.

Why are they no longer allowing fansites to sell items/premium services?
Unfortunately because a significant number of fansites around the world
were doing such things as selling t-shirts with Habbo images on or
charging users to access clones of certain features such as Habbo Homes.
Just as you can't download Rhianna's latest hit and decide to charge
others 30p a time to download it from your own site, so you can't use
Sulake's intellectual property, copyrights or trademarks to generate
income. Sulake decided to make it clear that this couldn't be done via
the Fansite Way as the Terms are quite 'heavy reading'.


Some fansites do need to generate money to offset costs and they can
STILL do this via the following methods (and probably more they can
think of):

* User donation - they can't give a premium service or an item in return
as that's simply 'selling' by another name, but they can thank the
donator by giving them greater exposure on the site....badges, banners,
name printed somewhere, different colour on username, radio shout-outs etc
* Site sponsorship (eg approaching some company with all their site
stats and seeing if they'll cover hosting costs in return for ads or a
branded site)
* Ad revenue

If they don't want to do the above then they can continue to charge but
not use any of Sulake's intellectual property on the site

Hope that explains clears things up.

I think most of us have it saved now so when it gets removed im sure it will be back pretty quickly. :eusa_clap We cant have stuff removed from this thread incase its needed at a later date :8

[GoldenMerc]

lol, i can't see why i got in trouble for that tbh, i was just trying to help people get the jist of why their doing it wow.

[jrh2002]

lol, i can't see why i got in trouble for that tbh, i was just trying to help people get the jist of why their doing it wow.

Well after reading her response it seems alot of vip features were still allowed lol i imagine somebody higher up read it and she was wrong and got put in her place and you posting it has made her look an idiot lol

Can somebody tell us who at sulake had this idea and implemented the rule? surely they have to come out and give the reasons why :eusa_wall people are insulting some members of staff at habbo who im sure also disagree with the move while some faceless moron sits back laughing to themself as other staff are is being harassed and blamed for the mess.

[HotelUser]

I don't mean to offend anyone, but it doesn't exactly take an amazing artist to make the sort of pixel art on Habbo. Infact, some of the pixel artists at Habbox Forum make beautiful alterations, and they're only 15, 16.

If Sulake's going to take away a main source of funding, why cannot they look into special situation inquires from certain fansites. I'm sure after looking into the funding situation for Habbox it would be evident that Habbox needs VIP. I think it's clearly obvious Habbox isn't selling T-shirts (and even if they were they're still endorsing Habbo, therefore I think this example isn't very good) and Habbox is certainly not selling Habbo Home clones.

Redtiz said:

Unfortunately because a significant number of fansites around the world
were doing such things as selling t-shirts with Habbo images on or
charging users to access clones of certain features such as Habbo Homes.
However the rule states:

Charge users for premium services such as VIP access.
If Sulake's created the rule in order to prevent users from taking ideas/graphics from Sulake then selling them, then VIP wouldn't have been mentioned. Selling VIP on a forum so Habbox doesn't have to shut down is totally irrelevant to ripping things and selling them.

In response to whatever redtiz said about whoever Rhianna is, downloading her music then reselling it without a reseller's license, and creating your own social networking script and selling it as a service is entirely different.

Now we're told we cannot speak our opinions without big brother removing them...ever hear of censorship?

[jrh2002]

I don't mean to offend anyone, but it doesn't exactly take an amazing artist to make the sort of pixel art on Habbo. Infact, some of the pixel artists at Habbox Forum make beautiful alterations, and they're only 15, 16.

If Sulake's going to take away a main source of funding, why cannot they look into special situation inquires from certain fansites. I'm sure after looking into the funding situation for Habbox it would be evident that Habbox needs VIP. I think it's clearly obvious Habbox isn't selling T-shirts (and even if they were they're still endorsing Habbo, therefore I think this example isn't very good) and Habbox is certainly not selling Habbo Home clones.

Redtiz said:

However the rule states:

If Sulake's created the rule in order to prevent users from taking ideas/graphics from Sulake then selling them, then VIP wouldn't have been mentioned. Selling VIP on a forum so Habbox doesn't have to shut down is totally irrelevant to ripping things and selling them.

In response to whatever redtiz said about whoever Rhianna is, downloading her music then reselling it without a reseller's license, and creating your own social networking script and selling it as a service is entirely different.

Now we're told we cannot speak our opinions without big brother removing them...ever hear of censorship?

I will do my best to hurt habbo and sulakes so called good name lol its all in motion it just needs one little person like me to keep shouting until some bigger person listens ;) all will be revealed in the near future i hope.


I think if VIP does get removed Habbox must let all current VIP's have the chance to keep their VIP running :) of course if you let it run out then you cant get it back EVER :(

[Sammeth.]

Fansites Must NOT:
- Offer Hacking, Scripting or Editing Programs.
- Publish any unreleased news regarding updates, new Furni or features without Sulake's prior permission.
- Ask visitors for their Habbo passwords or personal information such as telephone numbers or home address.
- Charge users for premium services such as VIP access.
- Act as an affiliate for a commercial entity, nor offer merchandise (including Habbo Furni) or services for sale.
- Offer to buy, sell or trade Habbo accounts for real money or Habbo Credits.
- Break the law or talk others into breaking it.
- Publish any material which may be offensive to other users or contains sexual content.
- Publish any personal information, pictures, video or documents belonging to Sulake Corporation Oy.
- Use slander or any other form of bullying in order to harass other people.
- Disrupt the operation of any other official or unofficial fansite nor disrupt the Hotel community.
- Replicate any part of the Habbo Hotel service ('Retro' Hotels, Habbo Home clones etc).
- Represent that your site is approved by or affiliated with Sulake Corporation Oy or that any other content on your site is approved by or affiliated with Sulake Corporation Oy.

I dont see why merchandise or replicating their services would affect VIP as they have two completely seperate parts for that which they could enforce without affecting VIP. It's all madness if you ask me :P No wonder they wanted the email removed, looks like a pretty big hole they are drying to dig themselves out of :P

[HotelUser]

I dont see why merchandise or replicating their services would affect VIP as they have two completely seperate parts for that which they could enforce without affecting VIP. It's all madness if you ask me :P No wonder they wanted the email removed, looks like a pretty big hole they are drying to dig themselves out of :P

Exactly! They've told us two different things.

[GommeInc]

Maybe it should be more insulting lol :8




I think most of us have it saved now so when it gets removed im sure it will be back pretty quickly. :eusa_clap We cant have stuff removed from this thread incase its needed at a later date :8
Quote that whenever Habbo/Sulake get in contact. Redtiz clearly says VIP is allowed, and you can call it VIP because, well, is that not what she says in that email? It's like telling people not to call animals that look like cats, cats, when clearly the description describes a cat... Perhaps not the best example but that's the best I could come up with for now :P

They're just a terrible company now, someone pull the plug on their franchise.

[cunning]

Habbox needs to find a solution very quick before its too late :(
They've found their solution, and it will come into effect soon.

[nvrspk4]

Still hasnt been removed, nvr is gna get his ass kicked by redtiz

You posted it 8-)


I think if VIP does get removed Habbox must let all current VIP's have the chance to keep their VIP running :) of course if you let it run out then you cant get it back EVER :(

I thought this was already stipulated, my bad, I remember including it in the announcement but maybe not. All existing VIP Payments will be honored. No matter what.

[jrh2002]

I thought this was already stipulated, my bad, I remember including it in the announcement but maybe not. All existing VIP Payments will be honored. No matter what.

So if VIP ends it will run forever on our accounts? I was on about leaving the pay options for current VIP's so we can renew our VIP before it runs out :) You will not be offering VIP to any new people but the current members with VIP I imagine should be allowed to keep their subscriptions running if they chose :) because we purchased our VIP before the rediculous rule came into effect its our right to keep it going.

[Minstrels]

**** off sulake.

[HotelUser]

So if VIP ends it will run forever on our accounts? I was on about leaving the pay options for current VIP's so we can renew our VIP before it runs out :) You will not be offering VIP to any new people but the current members with VIP I imagine should be allowed to keep their subscriptions running if they chose :) because we purchased our VIP before the rediculous rule came into effect its our right to keep it going.

I agree. I think subscriptions to VIP shouldn't expire (if Sulake allows us to:rolleyes:).

[GoldenMerc]

she told me of i said i coulnt get it removed she said shes going to email you.

[Decode]

she told me of i said i coulnt get it removed she said shes going to email you.
If you are taking about Redtiz send a message back saying "**** off".

[jrh2002]

If you are taking about Redtiz send a message back saying "**** off".

I like to think i have done alot more for habbo than they have ever done for me :o so its quite sad when i have to agree with you 100%

the rest of them can **** off while we are at it :eusa_danc

[GoldenMerc]

Does that mean VIP is gone now? till christmas?

[c[__]]

its not the 1st yet

[AgnesIO]

I need them to keep the VIP until the 2nd :(