RADIO FANSITES THREATENED TO CLOSE!

[04Jack04]

ALL RADIO FANSITES ARE BEING TOLD TO PAY A £200 LISCENCE OR HAVE THEIR RADIO GOT RID OF.

BIT OF A JOKE.

[Kipp]

Where is the proof ?

[Mathew]

Where've you heard this please? :]

[04Jack04]

http://www.hffm.co.uk/web/ppl.html

ClubHabbo has gone down, and theirs the article from HFFM.

Its a worldwide thing.

[Kipp]

LMAO Habbox has to do this as well i belive.

[spark1555]

uh oh spaghetti oh >;0

[Jam]

No more ClubHabbo. I will enjoy my day now.

[Charlie]

I've been reading about this on CH. It's pretty stupid that fansites had to remove the VIP features and then this happens. It means that most sites are going to struggle because they lack the money to pay for it whereas if they had VIP they probably could.

[Kipp]

I belive nvrspk4, Sierk and ,Jess, have been informed i think. :S

[,Jess,]

It's really stupid.. I'm sure CH will get the £200 thiough, they have a big userbase. Habbo really need to remember that the people running the sites do it for fun and are young and unlikely to be able to afford a quarter of that.

[Alex3213]

Absoloutely terrible.
A repeat, absoloutely terrible.

They expect Habbo Fansites to survive under nothing :S. And yeah, what Jess said, word for word.

[BeanEgg]

I don't understand this, who is informing all these fansites about this?
What's the 'PPL'?

[Samishlol]

Proof of the letter, posted on chf.

http://www.clubhabboforum.net/showpost.php?p=1777404&postcount=130

[BeanEgg]

Proof of the letter, posted on chf.

http://www.clubhabboforum.net/showpost.php?p=1777404&postcount=130

Thanks Sam, +Rep

[Moh]

Humm, we're official Habbo USA and we haven't received anything about this.

We better start saving just incase :P

[Kipp]

Proof of the letter, posted on chf.

http://www.clubhabboforum.net/showpost.php?p=1777404&postcount=130

Thanks, very useful information.

[Gangster]

I'm 90% sure ClubHabbo will pay. And I'm 70% sure Habbox and maybe HHFM will. But goodbye to the others.

Also, did Sulake make this rule?

[Immenseman]

This is ******* stupid lmao. I don't think they realise that people play just for fansites, seriously.

[Gangster]

All ClubHabbo need to put on their homepage is.

Give us £200 or the radio will be deleted.

And one of their bum chums will give them £300 to be generous.

This is ******* stupid lmao. I don't think they realise that people play just for fansites, seriously.
I was just about to say this. I left habbo because it was boring, but now that I'm making a fansite I'm going back on it.

[scott]

lol, like how they do that after taking away vip the only income a site has :rolleyes:

[Robbie]

If you don't pay this will occur:

I am arresting you for not paying your habbo fansite fee. You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you fail to mentioned when questioned something you may later rely on in x---BABEH---x's habbo court. Anything you do say may be given to LOST_WITNESS
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_04/raidES_468x307.jpg

But seriously, good luck finding the money. IT'S ALL GOING DOWN AT HABBO HOTEL!

[Samishlol]

I'm 90% sure ClubHabbo will pay. And I'm 70% sure Habbox and maybe HHFM will. But goodbye to the others.

Also, did Sulake make this rule?According to a source.. clubhabbo are getting rid of theirs.

[kk.]

habbo are doing it to save there own backs. However, tbh, the disclaimer at the bottom of fansites says they are not in any way part of habbo or sulake so i fail to see how it can come back to them. Anyway, that letter was confusing, it seemed like it was coming from an actual habbo person. then it seemed like it was a PPL person. And then it was apparently from a PPL person. Made no sense

[Immenseman]

yeah crap letter cant you just ignore it and wait for them to tell you it's a necessity

[BeanEgg]

If you don't pay this will occur:

I am arresting you for not paying your habbo fansite fee. You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you fail to mentioned when questioned something you may later rely on in x---BABEH---x's habbo court. Anything you do say may be given to LOST_WITNESS
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_04/raidES_468x307.jpg

But seriously, good luck finding the money. IT'S ALL GOING DOWN AT HABBO HOTEL!

LOL joker. +Rep

I'm sure all official fansites will pass this hurdle, there are quite a lot of users visiting these sites on peek, as well advertising.

[Pyroka]

Is this anything to do with the ruling which got brought in ages ago, which meant people would have to pay royalty fees to broadcast online radio? :S

[Throne Sofa]

Thank god, these annoying radio sites with annoying DJ's on may be closing. It bemuses me why so many opt to listen to these radio's, when there are far better stations out there. It'll also stop all them advertisers in the room saying "Tune in" with their flood tool.

[Gangster]

Habbox should put

"Help us to help you"
"We need urgent donations to keep the habbox radio. Without the radio there is a possibility the whole site will shut down, then there'd be no rare values"

Then they'd probably get £200 in 2 days? As they get thousands(?) of hits and 70% are probs for rare valued.

[Zak]

Why the sudden need to pay radio license?

[scottish]

I doubt any fansite will pay, if they do it'll be major ones like clubhabbo/hxl.

^ Interact; you've always needed to pay for a license but every habbo fansite just does it illegaly playing illegal music; but habbo have been contacted probably due to the official fansites.

[.ZzZzZ]

I have a Question: Why has ClubHabbo put a maintainece page up on there site it's only the Radio not the bloody who site though isn't it ?

Nightmare

[Favourtism]

I think the only ones who even have a chance of paying are Habbox and CH^ lol :P

This is really bad but it sounds like Habbo didn't do it, so why are people blaming them?

[leah]

What a complete and utter pile of crap!!
What are they playing at? Obviously habbo have been hit by the credit crunch and will do anything for a bit of dosh.
Disgraceful.

[Samishlol]

ClubHabbo are getting rid of their radio. They have already taken away the site discussion lounge.

[Gangster]

I have a Question: Why has ClubHabbo put a maintainece page up on there site it's only the Radio not the bloody who site though isn't it ?

Nightmare
Apparently, their not gonna pay, so they're probably making changes.

[.ZzZzZ]

ClubHabbo are getting rid of their radio. They have already taken away the site discussion lounge.

O Great :D

[Zak]

^ Interact; you've always needed to pay for a license but every habbo fansite just does it illegaly playing illegal music; but habbo have been contacted probably due to the official fansites.

cheers for clearing that up

[scottish]

What a complete and utter pile of crap!!
What are they playing at? Obviously habbo have been hit by the credit crunch and will do anything for a bit of dosh.
Disgraceful.

I seriously suggest in future you actually READ the thread before posting such a pointless reply; if you read its the music licensors (sp?) that are requesting it as all habbo radios atm are illegal. Its not habbo wanting money :rolleyes:

[Gangster]

What a complete and utter pile of crap!!
What are they playing at? Obviously habbo have been hit by the credit crunch and will do anything for a bit of dosh.
Disgraceful.
This has nothing to do with Habbo, it was enforced by a company called "PPL"

[leah]

I seriously suggest in future you actually READ the thread before posting such a pointless reply; if you read its the music licensors (sp?) that are requesting it as all habbo radios atm are illegal. Its not habbo wanting money :rolleyes:
I have READ the thread but cba to click links and many others have said that it was habbo also, however I fail to see you quoting their mistakes? :S

[Absently]

Kinda funny how were in a recession and their asking for £200 especially when most parents have lost their jobs and their just gonna hand over the money to their kids so they can give it to a virtual site, which they won't get anything in return for doing this... right =S

[scottish]

"I fail to see you quoting their mistakes"?

[04Jack04]

your all saying Habbox and CH, HFFM are already at £55 in 1 hour.

[scottish]

never heard of hffm.

[Hayd93]

It's really stupid.. I'm sure CH will get the £200 thiough, they have a big userbase. Habbo really need to remember that the people running the sites do it for fun and are young and unlikely to be able to afford a quarter of that.

Its not stupid at all. I accually get quite annoyed when i see fansites ect with no license fees and are fine. Us at the RSL i do work for the lisances we have to pay are huge just for a 14 day broadcast on FM. We then have to pay even more for online.

Other online stations sutch as reach have to pay this fee so we all should.

[Minstrels]

What a complete and utter pile of crap!!
What are they playing at? Obviously habbo have been hit by the credit crunch and will do anything for a bit of dosh.
Disgraceful.
It's not Habbo dear.

[flatface]

I hope HxL doesn't close =[

[leah]

Its not stupid at all. I accually get quite annoyed when i see fansites ect with no license fees and are fine. Us at the RSL i do work for the lisances we have to pay are huge just for a 14 day broadcast on FM. We then have to pay even more for online.

Other online stations sutch as reach have to pay this fee so we all should.
Habbo fansites are a tad different though, we dont get any income from having a radio, unless you count habbo furni donations?

[scottish]

I hope HxL doesn't close =[

i hope it does :P


Habbo fansites are a tad different though, we dont get any income from having a radio, unless you count habbo furni donations?

Because you get paid doesn't justify you breaking the law, love.

[Gangster]

HABBOX'S CLUBHABBO'S AND HFFM'S RADIOS MOST LIKELY WONT CLOSE!

[kk.]

habbo have no need for the closure of radios. Its not them thats doing it, its the law.. Habbo dont have a radio station so they gain nothing from it.

[leah]

i hope it does :P



Because you get paid doesn't justify you breaking the law, love.
I didn't say it did ;)
What im saying is, I dont see why habbo fansites that dont get income should have to pay because theres a huge difference in their purpose than other radios.

[scottish]

You said its different because you don't get paid, its not different, you should still have to pay for a license, habbox shouldn't be using illegal downloads of music either it should be legally purchased.

Hx radios get what? how many hits a day listening to your illegal music on an illegal radio station? over 1000 easily on hxl alone.

its no difference because you don't get paid, you could get paid by doing "text your requests" or something but you don't you use request lines, its your option not to do that.

[,Jess,]

Its not stupid at all. I accually get quite annoyed when i see fansites ect with no license fees and are fine. Us at the RSL i do work for the lisances we have to pay are huge just for a 14 day broadcast on FM. We then have to pay even more for online.

Other online stations sutch as reach have to pay this fee so we all should.

If you're so annoyed why have you been DJing on one for the last year?

[scottish]

Can't beat em join em?

[kk.]

actually, you know what, doing a text thing isnt that bad of an idea if its feasible. i dont know how much each text would cost but it would go towards hosting the site?! And im sure some people would do it.

[Wizzdom]

Sulake pay or Sulake lose a lot of people on Habbo.

Simple :)

[leah]

How do you know the music is illegally downloaded?
You're just making an asumption.

[lew!]

I don't really go on Habbo now. But to be honest I think that's ridiculous.

Large fansites have enough fee's to pay, especially Habbox and CH because of servers etc and then they bang this on top of all those. Absolutely ridiculous.

[Immenseman]

they're tighter than i cant continue.

[Hayd93]

Habbo fansites are a tad different though, we dont get any income from having a radio, unless you count habbo furni donations?
Gahhhhhh this is what annoys me. Neither do we on the RSL we have to generate our own income from adverts. Habbo fansites need to get this into there heads what they have been doing is illigal. PPL have been ok with it but now they have decided to crack down.

There are many ways habbo fansites could generate more income. This ranges from on air adverts all the way to raffles.


If you're so annoyed why have you been DJing on one for the last year?
Unlike 99% of the other days i pay lisance fees for another radio i broadcast on. I may not be paying for habbox but i pay into the industry. Therefore i feel i have at least made a contribution.

[luce]

HFFM and CH are gone apparently but this is the same with everything else everyone thinks he world is falling. i think habboxlive is the only site so far which hasn't all written their wills. it will all be ok in the morning :)

[scottish]

How do you know the music is illegally downloaded?
You're just making an asumption.

for a start i used to be a DJ? they give you the key/serial and stuff to download sam illegally for a start.

Like a year or two ago when i listened to it if they didn't have a song it would be "brb going to download that for you now"

Some DJ's have what 1k+ songs? and you're telling me they bought them legally; no.

Why would DJ's buy songs that they don't like?

and like 90% of people download music; probably 100% of habboxlive download em. ;)



HFFM and CH are gone apparently but this is the same with everything else everyone thinks he world is falling. i think habboxlive is the only site so far which hasn't all written their wills. it will all be ok in the morning :)


While the worlds down lets ruin it more; vote David Cameron.

[leah]

hmm how I love my coloured name :eusa_ange
everyone get a coloured name
actually skot I will buy you a coloured name xo

[Moh]

Doesn't Habbo have their own Radio they should be worried about? :P

[.ZzZzZ]

ClubHabbo is back apprently

[Immenseman]

Gahhhhhh this is what annoys me. Neither do we on the RSL we have to generate our own income from adverts. Habbo fansites need to get this into there heads what they have been doing is illigal. PPL have been ok with it but now they have decided to crack down.

There are many ways habbo fansites could generate more income. This ranges from on air adverts all the way to raffles.


Unlike 99% of the other days i pay lisance fees for another radio i broadcast on. I may not be paying for habbox but i pay into the industry. Therefore i feel i have at least made a contribution.

My Grandads youngerBrother is arguably one of the most successful British DJs, Terry Wogan. He says it's an outrage they're making online radios listened to about 400 people max pay this when they have no way of doing so.

[Robbie]

They should all play one last song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO3WG4zP4VM

[Richie]

People have said ' They may have to pay for the recent years'

If this is true hxl is screwed tbh


just say hxl is opened 5years do you think hx will come up with 1grand?

5 x 200 = 1000

Where as if hxl was to close they still have the forum, rare values etc..


5 x 200 = 1000


I hope hxl can pull through this though =[

[luce]

i've actually forgotten what i said about david Cameron what was it?

also i don't download all mine illegally :)

[scottish]

Yes you do and you said David cameron would be a good Prime minister. I laugh.

[Hayd93]

My Grandads youngerBrother is arguably one of the most successful British DJs, Terry Wogan. He says it's an outrage they're making online radios listened to about 400 people max pay this when they have no way of doing so.

Terry is the most successful in my optinion at 800,000 pa + bonuses thats a fair wage.

Thing is i see it for a differnt view we are a small RSL that struggles to do 2 - 3 broadcasts a year because of crippling license fees yet habbo fansites are free to roam.

[Immenseman]

Yeah, I can hook you up with him.

[Hayd93]

Yeah, I can hook you up with him.
Nice,
I actually have a cousin in radio myself used to accually be a presenter on Radio 2.

Also for people saying this will cripple habbox ect. if they can afford a license of this amount for a no essential chat system then i am sure they must have a fair bit put away for anything like this.

[Gangster]

Doesn't Habbo have their own Radio they should be worried about? :P
Habbo are millionaires, they'd probably pay for 5 radios and not care.

[luce]

What a complete and utter pile of crap!!
What are they playing at? Obviously habbo have been hit by the credit crunch and will do anything for a bit of dosh.
Disgraceful.

you do know it's not habbo making us pay it's PPL

[scottish]

she does now about 5 other people posted 2 pages abck or something.

[Andys]

april fools

[Sammeth.]

I'm sure HabboxLive will be able to pull through this :P I wouldn't worry to much about it in regards to HabboxLive, though I can't speak on behalf of other radio fansites. We have a large fanbase, and a whole lot of listeners. Its just a minor setback if anything, we won't be going offline until nvrspk4 comes online and gives the orders - and seeing he is alllll the way in Americana that may take a while.

[Seany]

LOL AT THIS
End of fansites ftw

[Jahova]

I can almost 100% garuntee that CH will pay it. The radio is their only good point, even though the forum has alot of members I still think they will have to pay or loose their popularity.

[Seany]

SkaterChu was like "we gotta pay £600 or something"

[Alkaz]

How pathetic, in one breath habbo say fansites arent allowed to charge users £1 for a ''premium'' service which is voluntry and in the next breath they are charging fansites run by the same people £200 for a subscription which doesnt last for ever to have a habbo radio.

[Jahova]

It's actually not £200 apparently. It's a different rate for each fansite.

[Gangster]

On Clubhabbo SkaterChu posted this.


Yeah, i don't need to explain everything here as of yet.

You've seen the threads, you've heard the rumours - now hear the radio show.

POSSIBLY the last radio show on ClubHabbo - now!

www.clubhabbo.net (http://www.clubhabbo.net/)
Goodbye ClubHabbo radio.

[.ZzZzZ]

SkaterChu confirmed on air that the radio will go off air after his show apprently

[Richie]

It's actually not £200 apparently. It's a different rate for each fansite.


If it is habbox is screwed because they get most amount of listeners also like i said in my recent posts what if hxl need to pay for its recent years

[Hazza]

Looool.
Whats next? Pay £500 to use pictures of furniture for your rare values!!

SkaterChu isn't reopening the radio unless he gets £600 donated!

[engaged]

clubhabbo is only paying if somebody donates, skaterchu doesnt have the money.
they are playing their last radio show until they pay now, which im recording lmao

[Seany]

bdw its nothing to do with habbo, its the BPI and the fansites.

[Jahova]

Pikachu or whatever said they are taking the radio down as they have to pay £600 a year to keep the radio up. He then said he has a life and he is not prepared to pay this amount. He then started joking about if someone wants to donate *hint*, feel free and then said the donate address etc..

[Vegas]

All radios not just fansites need to pay for the lisence.
The lisence then legally allows you to play music on air
or summin, so the fact that all fansites are illegally playing music unless the have this lisence.
(:

x
its stupid i know, but if you think about it your already playing loads for the hosting as it is... its just the price u have to pay for sucess (:


and for everyone whos like

OMG HABBO IS WELL MEAN WE CNT CLOSE -SCREAM
its not up to habbo about these rules
:rolleyes:

[Hazza]

bdw its nothing to do with habbo, its the BPI and the fansites.
I just realised.

[kk.]

but, do they have proof how long youve had the radio for? so surely they cant make you back pay lol. And there is nothing about prices on the PPL site?

[Juae]

Mabye habbo are going have to allow VIP again...

[Yonder]

Is it the performing arts license that people have to pay for in business etc if they are providing music to more than 10 people at any one time?

id lol so bad if its just some newb on ***** who thought be funny to email all fansites an start an epidemic.


Why you need a licence (continued)

This section explains the legal requirement to obtain a PPL licence, the legal basis on which PPL is authorised to grant licences, and the serious legal consequences of failing to obtain the appropriate PPL licence.

what UK COPYRIGHT LAW protects

UK copyright law (primarily, the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988) provides protection for recorded music and music videos (along with other types of creative works) by giving the copyright owner certain exclusive rights of use. Anyone who uses recorded music or music videos for those protected uses will be infringing copyright unless they are licensed (i.e. authorised) to do so by the copyright owner.
For recorded music (referred to under copyright law as “sound recordings”), the original copyright owner is the person who undertakes the arrangements necessary for the recording to be made – usually this is the record company responsible for organising and paying for the recording. Music videos are protected by UK copyright law as “films” and the same “necessary arrangements” rule applies to determine the original copyright owner.
The copyright owner’s exclusive rights to use recorded music and music videos in the UK include, amongst others:
- the right to play them in public;
- the right to communicate them to the public (including broadcasting them);
- the right to copy them.
Please note that you may still require a licence even if you do not think you are using recorded music or music videos in any of these ways, as the legal scope of these exclusive rights can be broader than you might think - see the panels on the right of the screen for some examples of this.


how ppl is able to grant your licence

There is no section of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 that creates PPL or gives it the power to grant licences. Instead, PPL was set up by the UK's copyright owners themselves and it is through them that PPL acquires the legal entitlement to grant your licence. On joining, recorded music and music video copyright owners legally transfer the relevant rights to us, or appoint us as their agent to exercise them.
The result is that PPL effectively becomes the copyright owner, and is therefore able to grant collective licences authorising you to play in public, or broadcast, all of its members' recorded music or music videos in the UK. Those collective licences can also cover the copying of recorded music and music videos for certain purposes (e.g. where businesses provide jukeboxes, hard disk systems and other music/video services to other businesses) but for other acts of copying you may require the direct permission of the relevant record company.
This means that you can legitimately use a vast range of recorded music or music videos without needing separate licences from each record company, etc; instead, you simply need the appropriate PPL licence. You can access further details of the various licences that PPL issues via the menu on the left hand side of the screen.


why obtaining a prs or MCPS licence is not enough

Please note that PPL is not the same as the Performing Right Society (PRS), the Mechanical Copyright Protection Society (MCPS) or the MCPS-PRS Alliance.
Whenever a sound recording or music video is played in public or broadcast in the UK, a PRS licence is likely to be required in addition to a licence from PPL. Similarly, you are likely to need a PPL licence as well as an MCPS licence to copy a sound recording or music video in the UK.
This is because the law protects separately the underlying musical and lyrical compositions (e.g. the “song”) embodied in sound recordings and music videos. The rights in those musical and lyrical works are owned separately (by composers/publishers) and licensed collectively on behalf of those separate copyright owners by PRS and MCPS (who operate together as the MCPS-PRS Alliance).


what happens if you do not obtain the appropriate licence

Hundreds of thousands of businesses and broadcasters are licensed by PPL and are therefore able to make lawful use of recorded music and music videos. However, please be aware that failure or refusal to obtain the appropriate PPL licence can have serious consequences, and may ultimately result in a court order to stop you playing sound recordings or music videos altogether until all outstanding fees are paid in full – as well as making you pay interest and costs.



http://www.ppluk.com/en/Music-Users/Why-you-need-a-licence/Why-you-need-a-licence---continued/

[Jahova]

Rofl, he just said *REMOVED* on the radio!!11! But seriously RIP radios.

Edited by MattGarner (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not avoid the forum filter.

[JustRG3]

This has been told it will happen for ages, HabboHut started it off, but now it's happenining! OMG WOW

[Juae]

Not being rude.. but at least I won't have random people going
"habbox.com" "clubhabbo.net" WIN RAREZ.
It is a shame though cause all that effort is put into it.. Also, what if you close the radio and dont pay the fine? Whats going happen then.

[Yonder]

Not being rude.. but at least I won't have random people going
"habbox.com" "clubhabbo.net" WIN RAREZ.
It is a shame though cause all that effort is put into it.. Also, what if you close the radio and dont pay the fine? Whats going happen then.

Court if they are that desperate.

[Access]

Just been listening to HFFM and they reckon they're well on their way with donations so they might be staying open.. haven't heard anything from the rest of them.

[TopManTim]

what the **** are habbo playing at?


where do they expect fansites to magically get the money from?


edit: oh this isn't cos of habbo

[Hazza]

Its not Sulake this time, they can't help this. I suppose we was just waiting for PPL to find out about Habbo and the fansites.

[Yonder]

Just been listening to HFFM and they reckon they're well on their way with donations so they might be staying open.. haven't heard anything from the rest of them.

Im sure its a yearly license though so every year they will have to come up with £200?

Oh plus tbh wouldnt put it pass habbo having a hand in grassin all fansites up tbh takin away VIP now tryin to put fansites under finacial pressure whilst they cant cope with the hostings costs. They need to grow up an stop picking on the fansites and their communities.

[Rozi]

Atleast isn't famous for its radio. We have a very strong main site and a great forum. Clubhabbo is just radio and a mediocre forum.

[Gangster]

Can't habbox pay for this easily?

All they have to put on the site is.

"No radio = No Habbox
No Habbox = No rare values.

In other words, donate or no Habbox"

And they'll get £200 in 2 or 3 days.

[Access]

Im sure its a yearly license though so every year they will have to come up with £200?

£200 per year isn't that much really, if you stick £5 per week away you'd have more than enough..

suppose it's something you'd have to do if you wanted to own one lol I would just close it if I owned it though wouldn't be wasting money on a habbo fansite.

[ImmensemanROCKS]

I've read that Clowgon was gonna Donate to Habboxforum?

I wonder if he is now seeing as hes banned. :P

[CHA!NGANG]

I think it will end up being more then £200.

[Favourtism]

If CH has to pay 600.00 then surely Habbox's will be monsterous?

[buttons]

My Grandads youngerBrother is arguably one of the most successful British DJs, Terry Wogan. He says it's an outrage they're making online radios listened to about 400 people max pay this when they have no way of doing so.
JAKE WHAT LOL

I think it will end up being more then £200.
someone just said it was £600 :S
the radios on sites are actually a big part in why fansites get their "supporters" and members so god knows what anyone will do without it :/

[Alkaz]

its just silly, habbo should loan fansites the money and hope they dont start charging to be official lol.

[Juae]

JAKE WHAT LOL

someone just said it was £600 :S
the radios on sites are actually a big part in why fansites get their "supporters" and members so god knows what anyone will do without it :/
Well seeing as habbox have been opened since 2004 with radio.
Then, its £1000 as its £200 per year and back pay..
How gutted Nvrspk4 will be when he gets back.

[Charlie]

Apparently, it's around £200 for each year you've been running as ClubHabbo has been going for 3 years and they need to pay £600 and someone has said that HFFM has got the money already or are getting closer to getting it.

I don't see how Habbox will be that effected though really, they have the rare values that will keep the site active anyway so even without the Radio they aren't going to be closing anytime soon.

[Gangster]

its just silly, habbo should loan fansites the money and hope they dont start charging to be official lol.
I think that they should only lend money to Habbox, ClubHabbo and HFHM

But then, people will think it's favouritism. So they'd be in a dielemma

1. Either give those 3 the money and deal with the favouritism
2. Give all official fansites the money, not be hated for favouritism but some of those fansites might turn whack and they'd lose money.
3. Do nothing and let the owners deal with it (what they're doing atm)

[Yonder]

£200 per year isn't that much really, if you stick £5 per week away you'd have more than enough..

suppose it's something you'd have to do if you wanted to own one lol I would just close it if I owned it though wouldn't be wasting money on a habbo fansite.


Also with costs of hx hostings an its shoutcast its self. Which is $500+ a month without VIP fansites are going to struggle as it is nevermind an extra kick whilst your down with the yearly licesne. Its pathetic you cant even run a moderate fansite fun hobby of a game you like without getting ringed out to dry by someone. How do they expect majority of fansites to pay this and up an coming fansites who are owned by young teens are just doomed. When current fansites shut down and new fansites cannot afford to open eventually fansites will cease to exists and Habbo/Sulake. Will have what they want.

Habbo should either set up some hosting scheme to work with fansites even if they owned the hosting then habbox paid them (hopefully low costs).

[Juae]

Mabye, habbo should of said about licensing before people mad the sites because when there was vip they could of probably payed for it. But, oh well no more radio's. Tunes into radio 1.

[9y]

Pretty sure habbox will be able to afford these costs. Il be donating myself if it does come to this. Got about £100 spare in paypal lolol

[Gangster]

Pretty sure habbox will be able to afford these costs. Il be donating myself if it does come to this. Got about £100 spare in paypal lolol
Your gonna give it all to habbox???????????????????????????????

[Hazza]

Pretty sure habbox will be able to afford these costs. Il be donating myself if it does come to this. Got about £100 spare in paypal lolol
Why waste £100 of your own money? Go out and get a life then spend the money on things that actually mean something. (This is meant in the least harsh possible way).

[The Professor]

Yeah if it is only 200 habbox shouldn't have a problem, they get way over that each year in charity donations anyway. If its loads more though they're screwed unless sierk has big pockets or richard branson fancies investing in a habbo fansite

[Rozi]

Yeah if it is only 200 habbox shouldn't have a problem, they get way over that each year in charity donations anyway. If its loads more though they're screwed unless sierk has big pockets or richard branson fancies investing in a habbo fansite

That would be so immense! Virginx Virginxlive Virginxforum

[Gangster]

Yeah if it is only 200 habbox shouldn't have a problem, they get way over that each year in charity donations anyway. If its loads more though they're screwed unless sierk has big pockets or richard branson fancies investing in a habbo fansite
Any fansites that are stuggling, like ClubHabbo, should make you have to click the advert before entering the site.

Get a rich noob, advertise his site, say like 50p per click? Then ClubHabbo put
"Please click the advert to enter the site, it's only 1 click, you can close it right away" Thats already alot of money.

Then ClubHabbo do a competition for 10 thrones? Advertise it everywhere, thats ALOT of money. Then they could get radio :D

[PaulMacC]

Ack well, what can you do?
Someone slaps you in the face gotta deal with it, innit.
At the end of the day, it's night, but seriously if they slap us with a fine Im sure we can pay it, if it does come down to it I'll donate £30-40, cause i am a millionaire.

[TopManTim]

i bet sulake snitched on you all!!

[RICHe]

Small webcaster license, which fansites will have to purchase.


small webcaster licence

The PPL Small Webcaster Licence is for online radio services that generate revenues of less than £5,000 per year and whose annual total streaming does not exceed the streaming limit of 270,000 Performances (ie. one Performance is when one user streams one sound recording broadcast in the service)..

Online radio services are required to pay royalties for the music that they stream to their users. The 2009 licence fees for Small Webcasters are as follows:
(a) £156.06 as a non-refundable advance against Webcasting royalties in respect of each channel in the service
(b) £23.41 as a non-refundable advance against Dubbing royalties in respect of each channel in the service
To ensure that PPL’s record company and performer members are being fairly compensated for their works, all PPL Small Webcaster Licence holders are required to compile and submit a Webcasting Report at the end of every quarter.
The Webcasting Report should detail the total number of listener hours for the service (ie. the aggregate duration that all users streamed the service), and the average number of sound recordings broadcast per hour for the quarter.
PPL uses this data to calculate the streaming and dubbing fees each station is due to pay. If a service generates streaming and dubbing fees greater than the advance payment made under the Small Webcaster Licence, then PPL will either invoice for the additional licence fees due, or will move the licensee to the Standard Webcaster Licence.standard, which that skaterchu bloke is on about for ch.


standard webcaster licence

The PPL Standard Webcaster Licence is for online radio service that stream more than 270,000 Performances each year (ie. one Performance is when one user streams one sound recording broadcast in the service). and/or generate annual revenues (advertising, sponsorship, subscription etc) of more than £5,000.

Online radio services financed or branded by a commercial parent company will also be subject to these terms.
This licence requires a non-refundable advance payment to be made against the streaming and dubbing royalties that will be generated by the service. This payment will be calculated for the term of the licence and will be due in addition to the administration fees.
Advance Against Streaming Royalties (£50.00 per channel per
month)
£600.00 Advance Against Dubbing Fees (£7.50 per channel per month) £90.00 Annual Administration Fee £100.00 Total £790.00 + VAT £928.25 To ensure that PPL’s record company and performer members are being fairly compensated for their works, all Standard Webcaster Licence holders are required to compile and provide reporting at the end of every quarter.
PPL uses this data to calculate the streaming and dubbing fees each station is due to pay. If a service generates streaming and dubbing fees greater than the advance payment it has made, then PPL will invoice for the additional fees due.

[Hazza]

i bet sulake snitched on you all!!
They might be able to get done for it as well in some way so they most probably did.

[Okeanos]

i've always assumed you had a license, its always been illegal to run any kind of radio without one. stop moaning

[Vicrum123]

Tis all very confuzling, with loads of different rumours flying round left right and centre ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM ahhhh there goes another one!

[Sameer!]

This can't be true... can it?

[Accipiter]

Why are you all blaming habbo? it'll be the shoutcast their paying >_>.

[Robbie]

No, it'll be PPL, read the thread.

[TopManTim]

This can't be true... can it?


o.O


sorry have you read, say, idk the first few posts?

[AgnesIO]

If you don't pay this will occur:

I am arresting you for not paying your habbo fansite fee. You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you fail to mentioned when questioned something you may later rely on in x---BABEH---x's habbo court. Anything you do say may be given to LOST_WITNESS
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_04/raidES_468x307.jpg

But seriously, good luck finding the money. IT'S ALL GOING DOWN AT HABBO HOTEL!


LMAO!

I thought i should point out:

If habbox are the only ansite that pay, then habbox could make a FORTUNE in Donators. If everyone comes to habbox...

[Moh]

lol.

The distance between PPL Offices and Sulake UK is: 2 miles.

[no waiii]

HHFM already set up

"Donate by SMS" habbox should set one of these up as soon as they can cause most people dont use paypal

[Pyroka]

Habbox could pay for the costs by themselves lol.

[no waiii]

Habbox could pay for the costs by themselves lol.

Ye probs because they have large ammounts viewing the forums and the rares page so the advertisings prices are probley high

[AgnesIO]

for a start i used to be a DJ? they give you the key/serial and stuff to download sam illegally for a start.

Like a year or two ago when i listened to it if they didn't have a song it would be "brb going to download that for you now"

Some DJ's have what 1k+ songs? and you're telling me they bought them legally; no.

Why would DJ's buy songs that they don't like?

and like 90% of people download music; probably 100% of habboxlive download em. ;)





While the worlds down lets ruin it more; vote David Cameron.


I have 3429 songs, nopne are illegal..

[no waiii]

I have 3429 songs, nopne are illegal..

then your rich

0.99 per song...

+ ur probs lieing

[marriott0.01]

for a start i used to be a DJ? they give you the key/serial and stuff to download sam illegally for a start.

Like a year or two ago when i listened to it if they didn't have a song it would be "brb going to download that for you now"

Some DJ's have what 1k+ songs? and you're telling me they bought them legally; no.

Why would DJ's buy songs that they don't like?

and like 90% of people download music; probably 100% of habboxlive download em. ;)





While the worlds down lets ruin it more; vote David Cameron.
Cameron would make an awful Prime Minister. They should bring George Bush over to the UK and make him president :D

[Robbie]

Cameron would make an awful Prime Minister. They should bring George Bush over to the UK and make him president :D

AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Romanity]

In all fairness... Its not habbos place to tell us to buy one or not.. or to charge our users or not.

We can continue doing it.... just wnt be official..... Theres sites that can survive without officialness.

[Judge Judy]

If Habbox can afford a 'x$' Chat system that's never used (literally) then I am sure Habbox will be able to afford £200 for a license or however much it is. (I ain't 100p/c sure seeing as we don't know incomes and outcomes except what Yonder said earlier for hosting). Anyway I like Yonder's suggestion about Habbo doing their own hosting for fansites.

[TopManTim]

Habbox could pay for the costs by themselves lol.


where you think they get the money?


In all fairness... Its not habbos place to tell us to buy one or not.. or to charge our users or not.

We can continue doing it.... just wnt be official..... Theres sites that can survive without officialness.

it's not sulake telling them to get one, it's the PPL. They have to get one otherwise it's illegal, this isn't just a matter of becoming unofficial and unofficial fansites also have to coff up.

[Cisse9]

Habbo is slowly going to die.

Fansites make people play habbo.

[Romanity]

Their chat system is the new FlashChat.... doesnt cost loads

[Robbie]

Their chat system is the new FlashChat.... doesnt cost loads

http://www.123flashchat.com/buy.html

I'm guessing it's unlimited.

[no waiii]

Their chat system is the new FlashChat.... doesnt cost loads

but its costing something and no one ever uses it

[Romanity]

but its costing something and no one ever uses it
A one off fee of £5... i got one somewhere

But erm, rumor has it... HFFM & Habbos are just gunna move their servers abroad??? Although im not sure this will work?

[Robbie]

A one off fee of £5... i got one somewhere

But erm, rumor has it... HFFM & Habbos are just gunna move their servers abroad??? Although im not sure this will work?

Much more than that, read my post.

[Ladygaga]

I think this is good news. Artists SHOULD be paid for there work. Its a massive crack down. When people start radio stations they should that they will have to pay a license. This means the stations that pay the fee's will get loads of viewers because of the lack of sites.

[Romanity]

So how come these PPL people have emailed Habbo's Official Fansites :S

Im sure theres hundreds of illegal radios floating around, why not pick them too...

[Ladygaga]

So how come these PPL people have emailed Habbo's Official Fansites :S

Im sure theres hundreds of illegal radios floating around, why not pick them too...


Someone has either grassed 'em up or sulake has done something.

[TopManTim]

In all fairness... Its not habbos place to tell us to buy one or not.. or to charge our users or not.

We can continue doing it.... just wnt be official..... Theres sites that can survive without officialness.


yup, anyway they probably get all the illegal radios they can, habbo radios are some of these illegal ones so why are you seperating them from the others?

[Romanity]

Someone has either grassed 'em up or sulake has done something.
So im therefore going to assume all fansites who DONT have a license wont be considered for official?

[TopManTim]

So im therefore going to assume all fansites who DONT have a license wont be considered for official?


why are you gonna asume that?

[Ladygaga]

So im therefore going to assume all fansites who DONT have a license wont be considered for official?

Of course, I think proof a license will have to be given. Habbo states that all fansites must be legal. Its illegal not have a license for your radio. But why on earth are they cracking down on it now.

[TopManTim]

if sulake cared why are all these fansites without licenses official?

[Robbie]

I think the 'host abroad' idea wont work

http://www.tehupload.com/uploads/3526c389cbf6fb1adobe.jpg

[TopManTim]

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z18/topmantim/roll.gif

wait, wait america's not on there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[no waiii]

arent habboxs servers in the USA? i dont see usa in that list....

also theres alway switerland

[kk.]

Switzerland isnt on there ;) and probably wont
USA will have there own PPL.

[Robbie]

Oh I found this

http://www.prsformusic.com/playingbroadcastingonline/online/MusicServices/LOEL/Pages/LOEL.aspx

Wouldn't Habbox come under Band A pure webcasting? :P

[Ladygaga]

http://www.prsformusic.com/playingbroadcastingonline/online/BM/Pages/backgroundmusic.aspx - LMAO Looks like you gotta pay for background music on your site.

[Robbie]

I think all they need is this £107 webcasting band A one, dunno where this £600 biz is from.

http://www.prsformusic.com/playingbroadcastingonline/online/MusicServices/LOEL/Pages/LOEL.aspx

[TopManTim]

I think all they need is this £107 webcasting band A one, dunno where this £600 biz is from.

http://www.prsformusic.com/playingbroadcastingonline/online/MusicServices/LOEL/Pages/LOEL.aspx


£200 a year and habbox has been going for 4 years


although i dunno where the £200 is from

[kk.]

but how do they know how long youve had the radio. They probably dont know. they cant prove youve been broadcasting. Just the hosting proves nothing

[Alkaz]

Oh I found this

http://www.prsformusic.com/playingbroadcastingonline/online/MusicServices/LOEL/Pages/LOEL.aspx

Wouldn't Habbox come under Band A pure webcasting? :P
Thats like £123 if it is.

[Eight.]

To be honest, I think this is Habbo's fault due to not telling us any earlier, They should of told us when HabboHut opened.

[TopManTim]

'hi mr. hoaster has habbox.com had a radio on their site for 4 years

yup ttly'


how can you say it's habbos fault and they should of said, if you're gonna do something like a radio surely you check if it's legal?

[no waiii]

To be honest, I think this is Habbo's fault due to not telling us any earlier, They should of told us when HabboHut opened.

why are you talking about HabboHut

[TopManTim]

why are you talking about HabboHut


first habbo radio

[Romanity]

Oh I found this

http://www.prsformusic.com/playingbroadcastingonline/online/MusicServices/LOEL/Pages/LOEL.aspx

Wouldn't Habbox come under Band A pure webcasting? :P
Taken from the above site:


What is excluded from the LOEL Licence?

• Use of music in advertising or sponsorship.
• Use of music as mobile ringtones.
• Simulcasting (broadcasting via more than one medium at the same time).
• General entertainment content (covered under Joint General Entertainment On-Demand (GEOD) scheme.
• Reproduction of lyrics and musical notation.
• Complete recordings of dramatico-musical works (musicals, operas).
• Music used in a context that is derogatory to the writer or the performer of the music.
• Moral rights.
The licence does not cover the rights in commercial sound recordings. Please contact the Phonographic Performance Limited on 020 7534 1000 or the relevant record company


Correct me if im wrong... but wouldnt "General Entertainment content" include fansites?

Therefore fansites being excluded? :S:S

[Pix]

Looking at PPL's point of view, its just as right as most of the peoples view on this forum.
Imo habbox should overcome this but wont suffer a huge problem cos of all the other functions it has - rare values etc.

apparently hffm has got the money..

[Romanity]

Then why they got donate things all up? :S

I've removed my radio till i can work out what to do.. and Im sure so will many other sites.

[Pyroka]

Taken from the above site:



Correct me if im wrong... but wouldnt "General Entertainment content" include fansites?

Therefore fansites being excluded? :S:S


The joint MCPS-PRS for Music General Entertainment On-Demand (GEOD) Licences are designed for audio and audio-visual services offering ‘general entertainment’ content where music is not the primary focus (i.e. as distinct from music services). Services covered by GEOD are interactive or on-demand services (including streaming or downloading) over the internet, mobile or TV platforms.


Ahaha... and you have to pay for this license anyway:




Each licence is calculated on an individual basis and the fee is based on a number of factors including music hours consumed, the viewer/subscriber figures and general music use. Licensees are required to pay a non-refundable minimum advance fee of £200 per calendar year (which is pro-rated for periods of less than 12 months).


http://www.prsformusic.com/playingbroadcastingonline/online/InternetTV/GEOD/Pages/GEOD.aspx

[.:.:jjm261:.:.]

Move servers to canada... I think somewhere in the past i read something about HabboHut not having to pay a license because they're in canada... something like that.. I'm going to help Habbox by visiting this advert for "Train to game"

[marriott0.01]

They are idiots, but I had to pay a licence fee to do a podcast, and only got to do 30 secs of the song otherwise iTunes got angry :(

[TopManTim]

Then why they got donate things all up? :S

I've removed my radio till i can work out what to do.. and Im sure so will many other sites.


what fansite do you run?

[Bren]

Please don't say HabboxLive is staying :eusa_wall

[Zak]

Re-enactment of this terrible situation, featuring the delightful Spongebob (as the radio fansite owners) and Mr Krabs (as PPL?).


http://content7.flixster.com/question/51/72/31/5172313_std.jpg
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http://www.freewebs.com/flowera/untitled.bmp


:)

[Seany]

if ClubHabbo close the HFFM is gonna be bare popular.

[Romanity]

what fansite do you run?
I own OurHabbo.Net


Re-enactment of this terrible situation, featuring the delightful Spongebob (as the radio fansite owners) and Mr Krabs (as PPL?).


http://content7.flixster.com/question/51/72/31/5172313_std.jpg
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http://www.freewebs.com/flowera/untitled.bmp


:)
Good analogy


if ClubHabbo close the HFFM is gonna be bare popular.
ClubHabbo wont close... it isnt a case of any fansite closing, its just whether they continue to have a radio or not.

[no waiii]

they'd hardly get people going to there site without a raido.

[Romanity]

But everyone will be in the same boat.

[Zak]

if ClubHabbo close the HFFM is gonna be bare popular.
nahhh they wont cz i wont go on there :)

[Yonder]

People will still visit Habbox for its rare values so i don't think people will stop visiting us. Be a kick in that nads but im sure management will figure something out.

I just find it strange how old of a sudden its happened deffo soemthing fishy going on. Somebody has grassed fansites up. I wonder if other organizations around the world who are in charge of this have contacted their local hotel? Or is it just the uk?

[Suspective]

HabboHut.com has also been contacted by the AU Hotel Management I believe.

[AgnesIO]

then your rich

0.99 per song...

+ ur probs lieing

Who the **** would pay 99p a song? You would ahev to be pretty stupid to do that..

Considering you can get those 'NOW (71/65/66/67/68/69/70/25 years)' for a tenner...

Its about 20p for a song, even then there are better deals.......


I own OurHabbo.Net


Good analogy


ClubHabbo wont close... it isnt a case of any fansite closing, its just whether they continue to have a radio or not.

Tbh I would miss it. Who would there be to flood every single room even if only one person is in it.. 'CLUBHABBO.NET TUNE IN! GET SCAMMED A THRONE COMPETITION!'

[RyanDOT]

It's really stupid.. I'm sure CH will get the £200 thiough, they have a big userbase. Habbo really need to remember that the people running the sites do it for fun and are young and unlikely to be able to afford a quarter of that.

You have stated a true point!

[.:.:jjm261:.:.]

Right...

Let's work out how much habbo&ppl want the fansite owners to pay... with no income place apart from advertising.

All prices are per year

PLL License - £200
Shoutcase (24kbps/100 Slots) EvoHosting : £170
Web hosting (Sawhosting.com silver plan) : £38.20

-------------------------------------------------
All together = £408.02 (also this doesn't include if the site has a VBulletin.. or anything else)

[BeanEgg]

Right...

Let's work out how much habbo&ppl want the fansite owners to pay... with no income place apart from advertising.

All prices are per year

PLL License - £200
Shoutcase (24kbps/100 Slots) EvoHosting : £170
Web hosting (Sawhosting.com silver plan) : £38.20

-------------------------------------------------
All together = £408.02 (also this doesn't include if the site has a VBulletin.. or anything else)

SHOUTcast £170?

I thought they cost for an average user £24 a year?

But it does add to quite a bit, I suggest users just stop creating fansites and join other forums to be honest.

[Fifteen]

Who do they have to pay £200 to?

[Habtopia]

Funny how this comes about a short time after habbo announced that thing to do with new MUSIC in rooms to replace trax....


Weird.


Gonna keep the radio on habtopia.co.uk anyway and try get it more populer, i see no future for fansites though they cost a heck of a lot if you want to do it properly...


And before anybody asks The Vbulletin isnt NULLED and neither is the cutenews on my site so thats that answered lol

Id like to see proof were suposed to pay PPL for the license though, i could easily set up that site and say im the guy you pay.


Sulake grassed simple as.

[AgnesIO]

Funny how this comes about a short time after habbo announced that thing to do with new MUSIC in rooms to replace trax....


Weird.


Gonna keep the radio on habtopia.co.uk anyway and try get it more populer, i see no future for fansites though they cost a heck of a lot if you want to do it properly...


And before anybody asks The Vbulletin isnt NULLED and neither is the cutenews on my site so thats that answered lol

Id like to see proof were suposed to pay PPL for the license though, i could easily set up that site and say im the guy you pay.


Sulake grassed simple as.


Oh yeh!

I forgot about the music in rooms..

So true! +Rep

--

And it aint £200 for us. Apparently its £200 if you egt an anverage of 10 listeners an hour......

[Robbie]

All these sites are forgetting:

this £156 is an advance against what could be your license and royalty fees.. Until the form has been filled in and they have a reply they don't know how much they'll have to pay.

They also need an MCPS/PRS Licence aswell as the PPL licence, so this will cost more.
http://www.tehupload.com/uploads/6857260da2bab62mptrskffffff.jpg

It is 0.0578p per song per listener to stream it so lets say one show with 300 listeners, 12 songs it costs £208.08 for that one show.

Where this £200 and thats it biz has come from I don't know.

[Liz♥]

http://www.ppluk.com/en/Music-Users/Online-and-mobile-radio/Non-Interactive-Radio/small-webcaster-licence/territories-covered-by-the-licence/

You might want to look at this, despite it already being posted. It's meant to be updated accordingly when countries agree to it.

[Habtopia]

Oh yeh!

I forgot about the music in rooms..

So true! +Rep

--

And it aint £200 for us. Apparently its £200 if you egt an anverage of 10 listeners an hour......

Will rep back once i receive for your NICE comments

[Accipiter]

lol.

The distance between PPL Offices and Sulake UK is: 2 miles.

Good god did you use google maps?

Its not like their best buddies having sleep overs.

[Habtopia]

Good god did you use google maps?

Its not like their best buddies having sleep overs.


I think there Edating.

[.:.:jjm261:.:.]

I think there Edating.


PLL Woman : Oh hey lost_witness
Lost_witness : Hi, i'm dumping you for Berba09
PLL Woman : WELL, NOW I'M GOING TO CHARGE ALL YOUR FANSITES 200 QUID, I ONLY KEPT THEM SAFE BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOu LOVED ME

[TopManTim]

All these sites are forgetting:

this £156 is an advance against what could be your license and royalty fees.. Until the form has been filled in and they have a reply they don't know how much they'll have to pay.

They also need an MCPS/PRS Licence aswell as the PPL licence, so this will cost more.
http://www.tehupload.com/uploads/6857260da2bab62mptrskffffff.jpg

It is 0.0578p per song per listener to stream it so lets say one show with 300 listeners, 12 songs it costs £208.08 for that one show.

Where this £200 and thats it biz has come from I don't know.


Omg £200 for one show? Habbox's bill is gonna be gigantic!

[Immenseman]

or they'll just discontinue the radio.

[TopManTim]

or they'll just discontinue the radio.


they'll still have to pay the bill for the 4years of having an illegal radio.

[Habtopia]

I Have to ring back PPLUK back in 30 mins as that department was on a break, Wish me luck....

[scottish]

It'll probably only apply to official sites rli as i doubt PPL folk are gonna go on habbo and find every fansite, only populat ones which are on the fansite list so.

[AgnesIO]

I Have to ring back PPLUK back in 30 mins as that department was on a break, Wish me luck....


Good luck.

Tell them its disgusting, and you like boys. (God knwos why)

[Habtopia]

It'll probably only apply to official sites rli as i doubt PPL folk are gonna go on habbo and find every fansite, only populat ones which are on the fansite list so.

It applys to all online radios, and its pointless me doing it without a license and trying to get it busy if one day im going to need one and then not have enough money to back pay it. I know that most fansites will continue doing it illegally but in the future they wownt gain from it.

There is a few things of interest in the rules though.

If you play your own music or if you are a Talkshow you are exempt from needing a license. I dont know if we could make rules for the djs stating this radio is speaking only and include in our Tos that the radio is not monitored by us and any dj breaking a rule needs to be reported to us.

Its only one possability i guess that if the dj breaks the rules we could not be fined but then again we are probaly held accountable for anything that is broadcast on our server.

[GoldenMerc]

Im a wee bit confused here,
Is it illegal to stream copyrighted music down the shoutcast without a PPL then?

[Habtopia]

Im a wee bit confused here,
Is it illegal to stream copyrighted music down the shoutcast without a PPL then?

Sure is

Edit: Have to ring back in another 10 minutes

[Immenseman]

After so many years of fansite radios, why have they only picked up now? Has it only just come to their attention or what? I don't see why fansites don't ignore it until they're threatened with court action or closure or whatever.

[Habtopia]

After so many years of fansite radios, why have they only picked up now? Has it only just come to their attention or what? I don't see why fansites don't ignore it until they're threatened with court action or closure or whatever.

Because sulake have obviously reported them pending the release of there new music in rooms update.

If you wait for court action you can be fined 5 thousand pound, Thats alot of risk for a fansite.

[You]

report it to watchdog i say!!

[Immenseman]

report it to watchdog i say!!
i'm sure they'd love to do a report about habbo fansites not being able to afford an online radio which attracts like 10-400 people depending on the site

[scottish]

It applys to all online radios, and its pointless me doing it without a license and trying to get it busy if one day im going to need one and then not have enough money to back pay it. I know that most fansites will continue doing it illegally but in the future they wownt gain from it.

There is a few things of interest in the rules though.

If you play your own music or if you are a Talkshow you are exempt from needing a license. I dont know if we could make rules for the djs stating this radio is speaking only and include in our Tos that the radio is not monitored by us and any dj breaking a rule needs to be reported to us.

Its only one possability i guess that if the dj breaks the rules we could not be fined but then again we are probaly held accountable for anything that is broadcast on our server.

I know its for every website, but as i said unpopular sites aren't exactly going to get caught because the PPL will only be aware of the popular sites through habbo fansites list, so they're not going to go on habbo to find every website thats related to it getting 2 listeners per hour, they won't waste their time they'll just get the ones on official list and anyone else who phones / contacts them.

[Habtopia]

I know its for every website, but as i said unpopular sites aren't exactly going to get caught because the PPL will only be aware of the popular sites through habbo fansites list, so they're not going to go on habbo to find every website thats related to it getting 2 listeners per hour, they won't waste their time they'll just get the ones on official list and anyone else who phones / contacts them.

Yeah but the fansites they wownt find will be hoping one day to become busy, Then they will find them and back track it years as they will with habbox and clubhabbo.

Check this for a rule....


You may not routinely include in your Broadcast Programming sound recordings within one hour of a request by a listener or at a time specifically designated by the listener.

[TopManTim]

if sulake cared why are all these fansites without licenses official?


http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z18/topmantim/roll.gif at a bad rep for that, no it didn't only just happen, it's always been illegal to not have a licence for radios however I don't think the fansites realised their small radios also needed one.

it's so ironic that you call me an idiot when you're the one in the wrong.

[Habtopia]

Q: What information must I report as reveue?
For purposes of reporting, "gross income" is defined as the revenue generated on behalf of your station before taxes and any other deductions.

Audio Advertisements – All monies accrued from the sale of in-stream audio spots.
Banner Advertisements – All monies accrued from the sale of Web-site banner space.
Donations & Fundraisers – All monies accrued from voluntary donations and fundraisers.
Products & Services – All monies accrued from the sale of products and services.
Note: Products & Services do not include banner or audio advertisements.


So if we have a radio we must report all our revunue even if its from donations or banner adverts we have on the site....

We may of had to include V.i.p. too but obviously thats out of the question lol.

Gonna ring PPLUK back in a minute

[TopManTim]

that says money generated on behalf of your station so surely VIP for forum and donations for the forum don't count seen as people didn't pay them for the radio?

and when you report your revenue is that for all the years you've had a radio? so VIP will be included? or just for the past year so some VIP included?

[Crolons]

So people are either gonna be a rebel and do it illegal, just like it always has been or, like HFFM, they're going to pay for a radio lisence.

LOTS of fansites will close, and HFFM will get really popular imo, so technically they're paying like £1.50 for people to tune in lulz.

Habbox AND HFFM are going to stay in my eyes, it's like the strongest fansite standing rly.

[TopManTim]

Why do people think lots of fansites will close, they'll just get rid of their radio. They can still function with a forum etc, you don't need a radio for a fansite to work, look at habbos.net - it was internationally official and really popular and only ever had a radio for like a week.

[GoldenMerc]

It had a website a while ago, Which was really popular if i remeber rightly that i imagine had a radio

[rnix]

omgz no radio!
shame.
(:
CH going SCORE

[Habtopia]

Spoke to ppl and the 179 pound license would not cover alot of listeners you would need the standard license at 600 pound...

Also the ppl streaming license does not cover the U.s.a so you will also need a license from soundexchange to cover the composition of the song and the people who made it, This will also cover the U.s.a.

SO you need the ppl License and the soundexchange license as we all have international listners.

Hffm have bought the 179 pound license and as soon as they give there first report will definately be moved onto the standard at 600 pound!,they will also be told they need the soundexchange license for there Us listners and to cover the copyright of the composition and track makers,

Good Luck

I will be streaming radio 1 from now on :S

Edit: the soundexchange license is a further 500$ minumum depending on ur listner rate and streaming hours...

[Pix]

I will be streaming radio 1 from now on :S The way to go!:D

[TopManTim]

Spoke to ppl and the 179 pound license would not cover alot of listeners you would need the standard license at 600 pound...

Also the ppl streaming license does not cover the U.s.a so you will also need a license from soundexchange to cover the composition of the song and the people who made it, This will also cover the U.s.a.

SO you need the ppl License and the soundexchange license as we all have international listners.

Hffm have bought the 179 pound license and as soon as they give there first report will definately be moved onto the standard at 600 pound!,they will also be told they need the soundexchange license for there Us listners and to cover the copyright of the composition and track makers,

Good Luck

I will be streaming radio 1 from now on :S

Edit: the soundexchange license is a further 500$ minumum depending on ur listner rate and streaming hours...


oml so do fansites only have to pay one off licenses?

where was this £200 a year from?


oh and radio 1 is a hell of a lot better than any habbo radios tbh, just have like a box next to it will events that would have previously been on the radio.

[Tim.]

http://www.hffm.co.uk/web/ppl.html

ClubHabbo has gone down, and theirs the article from HFFM.

Its a worldwide thing.

its not worldwide

[Habtopia]

oml so do fansites only have to pay one off licenses?

where was this £200 a year from?

No these are yearly licenses. the 200 pound a year came from the simplecast 179 pound a year license then 26 pound per channel

179 + 26 (1 channel) = 205 pound, I think anyway i dont know.

[,Jess,]

Spoke to ppl and the 179 pound license would not cover alot of listeners you would need the standard license at 600 pound...

Also the ppl streaming license does not cover the U.s.a so you will also need a license from soundexchange to cover the composition of the song and the people who made it, This will also cover the U.s.a.

SO you need the ppl License and the soundexchange license as we all have international listners.

Hffm have bought the 179 pound license and as soon as they give there first report will definately be moved onto the standard at 600 pound!,they will also be told they need the soundexchange license for there Us listners and to cover the copyright of the composition and track makers,

Good Luck

I will be streaming radio 1 from now on :S

Edit: the soundexchange license is a further 500$ minumum depending on ur listner rate and streaming hours...

Yeah that's what the guy said to me, what's the soundexchange thing?


Edit: Just read properly, sorry :P.

[Tim.]

Hffm have bought the 179 pound license and as soon as they give there first report will definately be moved onto the standard at 600 pound!,they will also be told they need the soundexchange license for there Us listners and to cover the copyright of the composition and track makers,



They aint gona raise £600 as soon as your suggesting. Also they aint gona be able to do much with a £179 license lol. I think that covers about 9-11 listeners.. a hour.

[,Jess,]

£179 covers 15 hours with 50 listeners per hour, I think.

[Habtopia]

Yeah that's what the guy said to me, what's the soundexchange thing?


Edit: Just read properly, sorry :P.

Its his birthday today btw.... (The guy on the fone)

[TopManTim]

wish him happy birthday then ask for a discount ;D

[,Jess,]

Its his birthday today btw.... (The guy on the fone)

Oh wish I knew that before loll :( - I just went with being charming :D

[Habtopia]

Oh wish I knew that before loll :( - I just went with being charming :D

Wish a woman had answered i could of WOO'd her with my furniz

[GoldenMerc]

Meh, I can't see it being worth £100 to stream a radio. Well not for HHGS, i can't even see it being possible to make back with a fansite :S
never the less still really confuesing whats going on, I wonder what other things they will request, I suppose they should have implemented this rule straight away.
Ross

[TopManTim]

you know that £600 and $500 minimun someone posted and that's just a year's liscense, does that mean habbox will have to pay 4 x that amount? o.O o.O

[Habtopia]

you know that £600 and $500 minimun someone posted and that's just a year's liscense, does that mean habbox will have to pay 4 x that amount? o.O o.O

I asked on the fone and he said "we would have to discuss this with the website owner"

[DPS]

Simply Hire djs that have music that is legit not downloaded like me :)

The reason that have to pay is because most of the djs music is downloaded :)

[Pyroka]

I'm surprised nobody has thought of the actual solution which would solve everything, and make radioing actually more pleasurable.

[scottish]

Its still illegal cause if i buy music it's for me to listen to privately, i'm pretty sure it says on disks etc that its not allowed to be played in public, same goes to videos etc.

[Okeanos]

who actually listens to habbox radio anyway?

[TopManTim]

who actually listens to habbox radio anyway?


:lol: i know right

oh and i've made the asumption throughout the thread that removing the radio = still have to pay the bill for the past but is that true? or can you just remove the radio

[AgnesIO]

who actually listens to habbox radio anyway?


Currently 270 people.

I've seen in in thrree hundreds and i think even more

[Sammeth.]

who actually listens to habbox radio anyway?

In terms of listeners we are the biggest Habbo Radio out there :D

[Jonster]

I personally, and I believe so many others do so too, use Habbox purely for the Forums and the RVs. Rarely do I listen to a fansite's radio. Really, if a site loses its radio there is really not much to worry about in terms of losing a userbase - I think the Forum quite clearly shows the dedication of some members, right?

[Immenseman]

Habbox will be fine without a radio imo, CH and HFFM not so sure

[e5]

Why is there a fee? As far as this PLC are aware, all DJ's pay for their music, as on most fansites, it's DJ rule. So if we're playing the music we've paid for, what is the problem? :S:S

Money grabbers...! I don't even listen to HabboxLive, barely anyone does anymore. So it doesn't really need one tbh.


In terms of listeners we are the biggest Habbo Radio out there :D
That's probably only because, the people that come on to see the rare values can never be bothered to turn the radio off, so they count as a listener ...

[Frisky]

Oh dear poor radios