Respose to the Mac adverts

[Jordy]

Microsoft have got it right this time I'd say, they've got back once again at the Mac adverts :P


Microsoft's latest installment in its popular series (http://www.engadget.com/tag/laptophunters) of ripped-from-the-headlines, "real America" style 'puter-buying adventures follows a mom and son duo -- Lisa and Jackson. We learn during the commercial that the two need a computer which is "fast" because they need to "look up stuff" before they "get to baseball." Luckily for them, there are plenty of great PC options for their under-$1500 budget. Sure, they veer off in the middle there, almost buying a Mac -- which Lisa notes are "popular at this age" (we guess what she meant to say is that they're for children). Regardless, they're both so turned off by the cute-but-small computers that they hurry back to the affordable VAIO section and make off with a sweet 16-incher. But hey, don't take our word for it -- check out the really real mother and son for yourself in the full video after the breakhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qui43P1kztw

BLU-RAYYYYY!!!

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[Sixiz]

Rofl

" These are way more money dude "

and also

" What do u fink of this pink laptoop "

[HotelUser]

That's the crappiest commercial of life actually. Why do I want to see to people who no nothing about computers get coned into buying some ripoff Sony Vaio?

What happened to the I'm a PC and I turn number two into energy adds? Those were good.

[J0SH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHvGUXK_-kc&feature=channel

I lol'd, right a 5 year olds really going to know how to do all that, they bloody start nursery at age 4 so how the hell can he even read/write properly let alone operate Windows.. Microsoft could atleast get better actors.

[HotelUser]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHvGUXK_-kc&feature=channel

I lol'd, right a 5 year olds really going to know how to do all that, they bloody start nursery at age 4 so how the hell can he even read/write properly let alone operate Windows.. Microsoft could atleast get better actors.

And when the memory stick's full, the email fails to send or another error occurs, he cries because he has no clue what he's doing:P.

[Trinity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHvGUXK_-kc&feature=channel

I lol'd, right a 5 year olds really going to know how to do all that, they bloody start nursery at age 4 so how the hell can he even read/write properly let alone operate Windows.. Microsoft could atleast get better actors.

My little sister's 5 and she knows how to use my PC. She's not exactly perfect at it, but she can get onto cbeebies, use paint, save pictures, view pictures and she can almost print and put music on, but she usually needs a bit of help doing it.

[Sluing]

To be honest, PC suck.... yet I'm on one now.

Obviously Mac is he best, yet I've never been on one. Doesn't make sense, though.. I read.

[:job2]

Microsoft are worried because when they decided to make those Ad's Apple's market share was increasing while PC's market share was decreasing quickly.

It all depends on what you want out of a computer, if you play a lot of high resource games then the last thing your going to want is a Mac, but if your more into the arts (art, music, graphics etc) then a Mac is going to be much better because thats what they are designed to be better at.

You pay more for a Mac because they are built better than most PC's, each product has been designed carefully with every little thing thought out where as PC's tend to be flung together in 5 minutes to produce something that is cheep and nothing else.

[Recursion]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHvGUXK_-kc&feature=channel

I lol'd, right a 5 year olds really going to know how to do all that, they bloody start nursery at age 4 so how the hell can he even read/write properly let alone operate Windows.. Microsoft could atleast get better actors.

Well considering kids are being taught how to use a computer from pre-school nowadays I see no problem with it.


To be honest, PC suck.... yet I'm on one now.

Obviously Mac is he best, yet I've never been on one. Doesn't make sense, though.. I read.

Your typical computer fail-bot. The one who doesn't really know what hes talking about and so goes for the "Mac is better!111one!111!11111 1#11!1" option.


Microsoft are worried because when they decided to make those Ad's Apple's market share was increasing while PC's market share was decreasing quickly.

It all depends on what you want out of a computer, if you play a lot of high resource games then the last thing your going to want is a Mac, but if your more into the arts (art, music, graphics etc) then a Mac is going to be much better because thats what they are designed to be better at.

You pay more for a Mac because they are built better than most PC's, each product has been designed carefully with every little thing thought out where as PC's tend to be flung together in 5 minutes to produce something that is cheep and nothing else.

Macs aren't made for arts at all? Just remember a professional movie/audio/photo editor doesn't use that iLife crap, they use a suite like Adobe Master Collection CS4, which funilly enough you can get on a PC.

You say that as if you have some guy standing there taking hours to put a machine together, in actual fact they are on an assembly line maybe with Dells two conveyor belts down the factory floor. A computer is a computer, they can be flung together in 5 minutes and that is what they do!

[myke]

Both of them made me giggle. "This is sausage's bum" haha.

Urrr... yeah. I like them tbh.
The first one kinda sucks but her at the end "and I'm not" made me laff.

[HotelUser]

Your typical computer fail-bot. The one who doesn't really know what hes talking about and so goes for the "Mac is better!111one!111!11111 1#11!1" option.

Might be true, but it's not as if Windows users don't think Windows is better and they've never used a Mac before;).

[Recursion]

But for the ones who have used a Mac before and still use Vista, have a valid argument.

[xxMATTGxx]

I thought I post this, this is what Apple said about the new Microsoft adverts :P


"A PC is no bargain when it doesn't do what you want .... The one thing that both Apple and Microsoft can agree on is that everyone thinks the Mac is cool. With its great designs and advanced software, nothing matches it at any price."

[Recursion]

I thought I post this, this is what Apple said about the new Microsoft adverts :P

Funny thing is, it doesn't do what a big proportion of PC users want it to do... GAME!

[Agnostic Bear]

Funny thing is, it doesn't do what a big proportion of PC users want it to do... GAME!

And I don't find it cool, so it's not everyone :(

[omgDAN!]

Macs aren't made for arts at all? Just remember a professional movie/audio/photo editor doesn't use that iLife crap, they use a suite like Adobe Master Collection CS4, which funilly enough you can get on a PC.

You say that as if you have some guy standing there taking hours to put a machine together, in actual fact they are on an assembly line maybe with Dells two conveyor belts down the factory floor. A computer is a computer, they can be flung together in 5 minutes and that is what they do!

I totally agree with you here!

The only thing about the inside of Macs are that all the wires are neat and it's really tidy, but from what I've noticed this is pointless and annoying. I went into my PowerMac to change the DVD drive with a new one, and the cables are so tidy it made it a real pain in the arse to change the drive because the wires wouldn't move.

I'm both a Mac and a PC user, but I do find PC better. Take this for example: Microsoft made a product called Songsmith, which was really cool and innovative, but because it was a Microsoft product, everyone thought it would suck. If it had been Apple iSinger (tedious?) then everyone would have instantly loved it and be raving about how good it is... Arrogant or just pessimistic?

[GommeInc]

Microsoft are worried because when they decided to make those Ad's Apple's market share was increasing while PC's market share was decreasing quickly.

It all depends on what you want out of a computer, if you play a lot of high resource games then the last thing your going to want is a Mac, but if your more into the arts (art, music, graphics etc) then a Mac is going to be much better because thats what they are designed to be better at.

You pay more for a Mac because they are built better than most PC's, each product has been designed carefully with every little thing thought out where as PC's tend to be flung together in 5 minutes to produce something that is cheep and nothing else.
That's the biggest load of turd burgers I've ever read... I hate it when people think all PCs are terrible, hinting towards they're all made by the same company. It depends on the parts, the OS is reliable. It's like a car. A car is reliable, it just crashes due to the control of a human behind them. A Mac is unreliable just as a PC is. I thought these dead end arguments died years ago? :S

"Ha" at the Apple response. That's all I've got to say. A PC is a bargain, any PC even a top of the range PC is a bargain compared to a Mac really. They don't even base their opinions around fact. They're ideology is "It looks nice, everyone thinks it is".

Macs aren't even "art" based systems :/ I'm on my Vista PC at this moment, and strangely mine can make videos, play music and make graphics. Saying that suggests Adobe CS3 shouldn't be opening :/ I don't see an error coming up saying "You're on a PC. This is no ART MACHINE!!!"

Jeeez my headache is aching :(

[Recursion]

http://i.gizmodo.com/5220054/the-snarky-fine-print-in-apples-pcs-are-100-percent-trouble+free-ad

[HotelUser]

But for the ones who have used a Mac before and still use Vista, have a valid argument.

Very true. Mac users who have used Windows before also have a valid argument;).


Funny thing is, it doesn't do what a big proportion of PC users want it to do... GAME!

I game on OSX. When I find a game I can't run it's called BootCamp or VirtualBox. Works like a charm every time.





That's the biggest load of turd burgers I've ever read... I hate it when people think all PCs are terrible, hinting towards they're all made by the same company. It depends on the parts, the OS is reliable. It's like a car. A car is reliable, it just crashes due to the control of a human behind them. A Mac is unreliable just as a PC is. I thought these dead end arguments died years ago? :S

"Ha" at the Apple response. That's all I've got to say. A PC is a bargain, any PC even a top of the range PC is a bargain compared to a Mac really. They don't even base their opinions around fact. They're ideology is "It looks nice, everyone thinks it is".

Macs aren't even "art" based systems :/ I'm on my Vista PC at this moment, and strangely mine can make videos, play music and make graphics. Saying that suggests Adobe CS3 shouldn't be opening :/ I don't see an error coming up saying "You're on a PC. This is no ART MACHINE!!!"

Jeeez my headache is aching :(


No no no. Software matters. Vista isn't the software that works. In my opinion, the OS is not reliable. A Mac is as unreliable as a PC is it? Hmm... ever use one? (rhetorical question btw).

PCs are bargains, as long as I can ditch that Vista crap in exchange for OSX/XP.

....and you thought your head was aching:(

[Sluing]

Very true. Mac users who have used Windows before also have a valid argument;).



I game on OSX. When I find a game I can't run it's called BootCamp or VirtualBox. Works like a charm every time.







No no no. Software matters. Vista isn't the software that works. In my opinion, the OS is not reliable. A Mac is as unreliable as a PC is it? Hmm... ever use one? (rhetorical question btw).

PCs are bargains, as long as I can ditch that Vista crap in exchange for OSX/XP.

....and you thought your head was aching:(

I know I've already claimed the name of being the average of whom automatically think Mac is a better product, though regardless if I know the system in and out, if it suits my needs, it's my type.

I'm not at all into your WOW and Counter-strike, assuming that is what you all are referring to as GAMING. So, regardless, I wouldn't cross paths with anything of that sort on a Mac.

But from what I'm reading, overall Apple produces a better OS, while Microsoft produces a better machine?

[Recursion]

Microsoft don't produce machines, just the OS...

Anywho, by gaming I meant Counter-Strike, Half-Life, Crysis, Far Cry 2 etc etc

[HotelUser]

Microsoft don't produce machines, just the OS...

Anywho, by gaming I meant Counter-Strike, Half-Life, Crysis, Far Cry 2 etc etc

I know some of those games you can run natively using Darwine or CrossOver. And if that fails VMware, Parallels or VirtualBox does the trick;).

[Moh]

Looks like Microsoft have been effected by the credit crisis :(

[GommeInc]

It would appear Windows is the better OS then... If OSX was the better OS, it wouldn't have to have VMWare and programs of that sort piggy-backing it to play games. IF these programs didn't exist, Windows would be the better OS by default, because it does more. OSX would be the more useless OS, because it does alot less than it's Window counterpart. Speaking about just the OS, Windows Vista/XP are the superior ones, with the only limitations being on what system they're installed on.

[Recursion]

I know some of those games you can run natively using Darwine or CrossOver. And if that fails VMware, Parallels or VirtualBox does the trick;).

Let me see you play Crysis on maximum settings, or even medium, through VirtualBox, VMWare, Paralells etc etc.

I have to say Gomme's arguments are extremely good, with OS X you are limited to the hardware Apple want you to use, thus limiting the OS' potential. Windows XP/Vista/7 is only limited by the hardware the user decides to install it on, be it a Macintosh or a homebuilt computer, but unfortunatly some people decide to turn it on its head and say that the Windows OS performs badly.

[HotelUser]

Looks like Microsoft have been effected by the credit crisis :(

*Vista crisis


It would appear Windows is the better OS then... If OSX was the better OS, it wouldn't have to have VMWare and programs of that sort piggy-backing it to play games.
I think you need a reality check here. First off, there are a lot of games that DO work with OSX, without emulation. Second off, the fact that you can install Windows legitimately from OSX and you cannot install OSX legitimately from Windows is a feature of OSX, and a lack of a feature on Windows. Thirdly, not everyone games. I would certainly toss away the less games for less viruses.

IF these programs didn't exist, Windows would be the better OS by default, because it does more.
There is a very large library of applications for OSX. Many of these applications are better than their Windows counterparts.

OSX would be the more useless OS, because it does alot less than it's Window counterpart. Speaking about just the OS, Windows Vista/XP are the superior ones, with the only limitations being on what system they're installed on.
There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. I was a Windows user for years and years (since I was 3:P). I loved it upto Vista. Vista in my opinion (and ***** will disagree) is total and utter crap, that I would not touch with a ten foot pole. I knew if I switched back to XP I would be soon incompatible, but I didn't want to use a bloated OS. That's why I bought this iMac. I have a problem with what you're saying, because basically you own a Windows machine, and you want what you have to be superior to what other people are using, even if that means you must defame something you've never used, or evaluated legitimately.


Saying Windows is superior due to gaming compatibility alone is stupidity. I could say OSX gets many less viruses, requires less horsepower and also that OSX is more secure. But according to you that's all irrelevant because gaming is the only thing that matters?



Let me see you play Crysis on maximum settings, or even medium, through VirtualBox, VMWare, Paralells etc etc.
Been there and done that while gaming before.


I have to say Gomme's arguments are extremely good, with OS X you are limited to the hardware Apple want you to use, thus limiting the OS' potential.
Windows XP/Vista/7 is only limited by the hardware the user decides to install it on, be it a Macintosh or a homebuilt computer, but unfortunatly some people decide to turn it on its head and say that the Windows OS performs badly.
And when they error out because of crappy drivers, where the OSX user never has to worry about drivers who looks better then? Since I got OSX I have never been harassed about anything related to hardware, or I have never had any hardware related problems. It's been a dream.


*polishes my signature;)*

[Sluing]

*Vista crisis

I think you need a reality check here. First off, there are a lot of games that DO work with OSX, without emulation. Second off, the fact that you can install Windows legitimately from OSX and you cannot install OSX legitimately from Windows is a feature of OSX, and a lack of a feature on Windows. Thirdly, not everyone games. I would certainly toss away the less games for less viruses.There is a very large library of applications for OSX. Many of these applications are better than their Windows counterparts.
There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. I was a Windows user for years and years (since I was 3:P). I loved it upto Vista. Vista in my opinion (and ***** will disagree) is total and utter crap, that I would not touch with a ten foot pole. I knew if I switched back to XP I would be soon incompatible, but I didn't want to use a bloated OS. That's why I bought this iMac. I have a problem with what you're saying, because basically you own a Windows machine, and you want what you have to be superior to what other people are using, even if that means you must defame something you've never used, or evaluated legitimately.


Saying Windows is superior due to gaming compatibility alone is stupidity. I could say OSX gets many less viruses, requires less horsepower and also that OSX is more secure. But according to you that's all irrelevant because gaming is the only thing that matters?


Been there and done that while gaming before.
And when they error out because of crappy drivers, where the OSX user never has to worry about drivers who looks better then? Since I got OSX I have never been harassed about anything related to hardware, or I have never had any hardware related problems. It's been a dream.


*polishes my signature;)*

I wouldn't know where to begin in actually finding all of this information legit, though I like your argument.

I can't be biased and place my opinion on either one as I've come to learn through this thread, but throughout everything I've heard and read about Macs, they're of higher standard than a PC any day.

[Caution]

*Vista crisis

I think you need a reality check here. First off, there are a lot of games that DO work with OSX, without emulation. Second off, the fact that you can install Windows legitimately from OSX and you cannot install OSX legitimately from Windows is a feature of OSX, and a lack of a feature on Windows. Thirdly, not everyone games. I would certainly toss away the less games for less viruses.There is a very large library of applications for OSX. Many of these applications are better than their Windows counterparts.
There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. I was a Windows user for years and years (since I was 3:P). I loved it upto Vista. Vista in my opinion (and ***** will disagree) is total and utter crap, that I would not touch with a ten foot pole. I knew if I switched back to XP I would be soon incompatible, but I didn't want to use a bloated OS. That's why I bought this iMac. I have a problem with what you're saying, because basically you own a Windows machine, and you want what you have to be superior to what other people are using, even if that means you must defame something you've never used, or evaluated legitimately.


Saying Windows is superior due to gaming compatibility alone is stupidity. I could say OSX gets many less viruses, requires less horsepower and also that OSX is more secure. But according to you that's all irrelevant because gaming is the only thing that matters?


Been there and done that while gaming before.
And when they error out because of crappy drivers, where the OSX user never has to worry about drivers who looks better then? Since I got OSX I have never been harassed about anything related to hardware, or I have never had any hardware related problems. It's been a dream.


*polishes my signature;)*
Why do you continue to post in the Microsoft & Windows section if you're so certain Mac is the best, to the point of obsession, it seems?:S

The competition to see which OS is the best has went too far when they're directly ******** each other imo:P. Personally, I will never buy a Mac when I can get a PC that can do the same but cheaper.

[GommeInc]

I think you need a reality check here. First off, there are a lot of games that DO work with OSX, without emulation. Second off, the fact that you can install Windows legitimately from OSX and you cannot install OSX legitimately from Windows is a feature of OSX, and a lack of a feature on Windows. Thirdly, not everyone games. I would certainly toss away the less games for less viruses.There is a very large library of applications for OSX. Many of these applications are better than their Windows counterparts.
Firstly, that's like having the option of buying one of two jars of sweets in front of you. You can either buy the more expensive jar with less sweets or the cheaper jar with more sweets - the sweets are exactly the same type. I wonder what people will buy... Secondly, the fact you can install Windows on a Mac shows the inferiority of OSX. If you buy a system, you hope for it to be compatible with most things, not less things. It's not a lack of a feature at all, that's like buying a Ford car and changing the badge on it to a Vauxhall, a pointless waste of time and money. Thirdly, just install anti-virus software. Argument over, you get games PLUS virus free :D! Also, applications available for both systems tend to be the better applications - look at Adobe CS4, for instance.


There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. I was a Windows user for years and years (since I was 3:P). I loved it upto Vista. Vista in my opinion (and ***** will disagree) is total and utter crap, that I would not touch with a ten foot pole. I knew if I switched back to XP I would be soon incompatible, but I didn't want to use a bloated OS. That's why I bought this iMac. I have a problem with what you're saying, because basically you own a Windows machine, and you want what you have to be superior to what other people are using, even if that means you must defame something you've never used, or evaluated legitimately.
We are all fully aware of your psychotic hate for a system. Have you not heard the phrase that revolves around not everyone has to be a cook to know that food tastes crap? Because that comes into play now. I've poked around a Mac, it's ok, but so not worth the money. I'd rather buy a Windows machine than by a Mac and install Windows on it, mainly because if I wasted £1,000 on something, I'd want it to be useable immediately. Also, I love how you're playing the losing game by coming out with information that doesn't appear to be present anywhere. I never said Windows should be superior because I own it. No, of course not. It's just obvious it is because, taking a neutral position and saying both are equal is incredibly irrational. What a Mac does, a million other things can be done on a PC. Most Mac users even use Windows on their Macs to run things that the OS can't. Now why would that be? It can't because the OS is superior... How can a superior OS piggy back another OS and be called superior? That's like David Beckham being called superior while the other footballers are doing his handy work. Or a maid being called an excellent maid when she only does half her jobs because she's called in reinforcements...


Saying Windows is superior due to gaming compatibility alone is stupidity. I could say OSX gets many less viruses, requires less horsepower and also that OSX is more secure. But according to you that's all irrelevant because gaming is the only thing that matters?
Again, you revolve around an argument which apparently I revolve around. Gaming is the breaking point it seems. There's nothing else that a Mac can rival against, other than this "no viruses" crap. Windows machines don't get malicious viruses that easily, unless the owner is a complete prat :rolleyes: If a PC gets a virus, blame the organ grinder, not the monkey. They're so easily to avoid. Look at bad drivers... If you see someone in the middle of the road, then you can avoid them and it's easy to avoid. If you hit them, who's to blame? The driver, not the machine ;)

I think you need a reality check here. First off, there are a lot of games that DO work with OSX, without emulation. Second off, the fact that you can install Windows legitimately from OSX and you cannot install OSX legitimately from Windows is a feature of OSX, and a lack of a feature on Windows. Thirdly, not everyone games. I would certainly toss away the less games for less viruses.There is a very large library of applications for OSX. Many of these applications are better than their Windows counterparts.
Firstly, that's like having the option of buying one of two jars of sweets in front of you. You can either buy the more expensive jar with less sweets or the cheaper jar with more sweets - the sweets are exactly the same type. I wonder what people will buy... Secondly, the fact you can install Windows on a Mac shows the inferiority of OSX. If you buy a system, you hope for it to be compatible with most things, not less things. It's not a lack of a feature at all, that's like buying a Ford car and changing the badge on it to a Vauxhall, a pointless waste of time and money. Thirdly, just install anti-virus software. Argument over, you get games PLUS virus free :D! Also, applications available for both systems tend to be the better applications - look at Adobe CS4, for instance.


There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. I was a Windows user for years and years (since I was 3:P). I loved it upto Vista. Vista in my opinion (and ***** will disagree) is total and utter crap, that I would not touch with a ten foot pole. I knew if I switched back to XP I would be soon incompatible, but I didn't want to use a bloated OS. That's why I bought this iMac. I have a problem with what you're saying, because basically you own a Windows machine, and you want what you have to be superior to what other people are using, even if that means you must defame something you've never used, or evaluated legitimately.
We are all fully aware of your psychotic hate for a system. Have you not heard the phrase that revolves around not everyone has to be a cook to know that food tastes crap? Because that comes into play now. I've poked around a Mac, it's ok, but so not worth the money. I'd rather buy a Windows machine than by a Mac and install Windows on it, mainly because if I wasted £1,000 on something, I'd want it to be useable immediately. Also, I love how you're playing the losing game by coming out with information that doesn't appear to be present anywhere. I never said Windows should be superior because I own it. No, of course not. It's just obvious it is because, taking a neutral position and saying both are equal is incredibly irrational. What a Mac does, a million other things can be done on a PC. Most Mac users even use Windows on their Macs to run things that the OS can't. Now why would that be? It can't because the OS is superior... How can a superior OS piggy back another OS and be called superior? That's like David Beckham being called superior while the other footballers are doing his handy work. Or a maid being called an excellent maid when she only does half her jobs because she's called in reinforcements...


Saying Windows is superior due to gaming compatibility alone is stupidity. I could say OSX gets many less viruses, requires less horsepower and also that OSX is more secure. But according to you that's all irrelevant because gaming is the only thing that matters?
Again, you revolve around an argument which apparently I revolve around. Gaming is the breaking point it seems. There's nothing else that a Mac can rival against, other than this "no viruses" crap. Windows machines don't get malicious viruses that easily, unless the owner is a complete prat :rolleyes: If a PC gets a virus, blame the organ grinder, not the monkey. They're so easily to avoid. Look at bad drivers... If you see someone in the middle of the road, then you can avoid them and it's easy to avoid. If you hit them, who's to blame? The driver, not the machine ;)

Sheesh, you'd think someone who's tried both machines would be smart enough to acknowledge both sides and the arguments. Viruses are so easy to avoid, and the Mac vs. Windows arguments that revolve around viruses died years ago, when Mac users clearly were offending themselves by calling themselves virus getting numpties who open anything with their small, primative minds...

[Recursion]

Funny that Safari on Mac OS X was the first to be comprimised at the Pwn2Own competition now that you mention viruses etc.

[xxMATTGxx]

OSX is quite easy to hack but just due to the market with PC having more (according ot the winner of the Pwn2Own comp, who loves his Macbook), you don't see much of it. Windows is not the best, either is Mac OS X or Linux. They all have their advantages and disadvantages, just users on either side take it too far sometimes :P

[MrPinkPanther]

they use a suite like Adobe Master Collection CS4, which funilly enough you can get on a PC
I'd also like to add that the Adobe Collection runs faster on PCs than Macs.

[HotelUser]

Your sweet example is invalid. You've yet to acknowledge that OSX has positive traits, that Windows lacks. And although Windows lacks these "sweets" they have other sweets. Both operating systems have unique "sweets". As you said when you buy a system you hope for it to be compatible with things. My system is compatible of flawlessly running OSX and Windows? Is yours? I doubt it. Just a thought: go try OSX.


Ah, I see you've made another poor comparison. Yes, it's true you don't have to be a cook to tell that food tastes crap. However, the comparisons you made should not have been made by someone who hasn't used the system. You're discussing features and compatibility. If you haven't actually used, I am saying you CANNOT speculate on such things. I don't mean to be rude, but you have absolutely no clue as to what you're saying now. You say what a Mac does, a PC can do a million times more things. Prove it. This is probably the most irrational and unjust things I have ever seen on HxF, ever. I cannot even begin to describe how invalid this statement is. Having used Windows (basically my whole life) as well as OSX I can honestly say I have never felt limited running OSX. Most mac users run Windows on their Macs you say? Prove it. As far as your piggy back comment goes, VmWare and Virtual PC are available for Windows too.

Again, you revolve around a paragraph with invalid information. Gaming is obviously not the turning point, otherwise Apple wouldn't be selling anything at all, their market-share would have gone down instead of up, and Ubuntu wouldn't even exist. You saying no virus crap made me chuckle. Obviously having a more secure system is important. I feel much safer using bittorrent on my iMac, than I ever did on my Vista machine. Windows doesn't get infected easily? Yeah...conflicker was so small and innocent. If a person gets an STI then it's clearly their fault, but wouldn't it be convenient if they didn't have to worry about STIs in the first place? Now THAT is a good comparison ;).


Your last paragraph I deem also to be invalid for this reason, you're saying I'm not taking both sides into account, when you've completely neglected what I've said. Viruses are avoidable but sooner or later the average user is bound to contract one...two...five or even more. I'm actually finding your argument quite ridiculous now. You've not used OSX. You don't have the experience using it to back up your claims (or any creditable resources really).


Firstly, that's like having the option of buying one of two jars of sweets in front of you. You can either buy the more expensive jar with less sweets or the cheaper jar with more sweets - the sweets are exactly the same type. I wonder what people will buy... Secondly, the fact you can install Windows on a Mac shows the inferiority of OSX. If you buy a system, you hope for it to be compatible with most things, not less things. It's not a lack of a feature at all, that's like buying a Ford car and changing the badge on it to a Vauxhall, a pointless waste of time and money. Thirdly, just install anti-virus software. Argument over, you get games PLUS virus free :D! Also, applications available for both systems tend to be the better applications - look at Adobe CS4, for instance.


We are all fully aware of your psychotic hate for a system. Have you not heard the phrase that revolves around not everyone has to be a cook to know that food tastes crap? Because that comes into play now. I've poked around a Mac, it's ok, but so not worth the money. I'd rather buy a Windows machine than by a Mac and install Windows on it, mainly because if I wasted £1,000 on something, I'd want it to be useable immediately. Also, I love how you're playing the losing game by coming out with information that doesn't appear to be present anywhere. I never said Windows should be superior because I own it. No, of course not. It's just obvious it is because, taking a neutral position and saying both are equal is incredibly irrational. What a Mac does, a million other things can be done on a PC. Most Mac users even use Windows on their Macs to run things that the OS can't. Now why would that be? It can't because the OS is superior... How can a superior OS piggy back another OS and be called superior? That's like David Beckham being called superior while the other footballers are doing his handy work. Or a maid being called an excellent maid when she only does half her jobs because she's called in reinforcements...


Again, you revolve around an argument which apparently I revolve around. Gaming is the breaking point it seems. There's nothing else that a Mac can rival against, other than this "no viruses" crap. Windows machines don't get malicious viruses that easily, unless the owner is a complete prat :rolleyes: If a PC gets a virus, blame the organ grinder, not the monkey. They're so easily to avoid. Look at bad drivers... If you see someone in the middle of the road, then you can avoid them and it's easy to avoid. If you hit them, who's to blame? The driver, not the machine ;)

Firstly, that's like having the option of buying one of two jars of sweets in front of you. You can either buy the more expensive jar with less sweets or the cheaper jar with more sweets - the sweets are exactly the same type. I wonder what people will buy... Secondly, the fact you can install Windows on a Mac shows the inferiority of OSX. If you buy a system, you hope for it to be compatible with most things, not less things. It's not a lack of a feature at all, that's like buying a Ford car and changing the badge on it to a Vauxhall, a pointless waste of time and money. Thirdly, just install anti-virus software. Argument over, you get games PLUS virus free :D! Also, applications available for both systems tend to be the better applications - look at Adobe CS4, for instance.


We are all fully aware of your psychotic hate for a system. Have you not heard the phrase that revolves around not everyone has to be a cook to know that food tastes crap? Because that comes into play now. I've poked around a Mac, it's ok, but so not worth the money. I'd rather buy a Windows machine than by a Mac and install Windows on it, mainly because if I wasted £1,000 on something, I'd want it to be useable immediately. Also, I love how you're playing the losing game by coming out with information that doesn't appear to be present anywhere. I never said Windows should be superior because I own it. No, of course not. It's just obvious it is because, taking a neutral position and saying both are equal is incredibly irrational. What a Mac does, a million other things can be done on a PC. Most Mac users even use Windows on their Macs to run things that the OS can't. Now why would that be? It can't because the OS is superior... How can a superior OS piggy back another OS and be called superior? That's like David Beckham being called superior while the other footballers are doing his handy work. Or a maid being called an excellent maid when she only does half her jobs because she's called in reinforcements...


Again, you revolve around an argument which apparently I revolve around. Gaming is the breaking point it seems. There's nothing else that a Mac can rival against, other than this "no viruses" crap. Windows machines don't get malicious viruses that easily, unless the owner is a complete prat :rolleyes: If a PC gets a virus, blame the organ grinder, not the monkey. They're so easily to avoid. Look at bad drivers... If you see someone in the middle of the road, then you can avoid them and it's easy to avoid. If you hit them, who's to blame? The driver, not the machine ;)

Sheesh, you'd think someone who's tried both machines would be smart enough to acknowledge both sides and the arguments. Viruses are so easy to avoid, and the Mac vs. Windows arguments that revolve around viruses died years ago, when Mac users clearly were offending themselves by calling themselves virus getting numpties who open anything with their small, primative minds...




Why do you continue to post in the Microsoft & Windows section if you're so certain Mac is the best, to the point of obsession, it seems?:S

The competition to see which OS is the best has went too far when they're directly ******** each other imo:P. Personally, I will never buy a Mac when I can get a PC that can do the same but cheaper.

If that works for you then don't buy a Mac then. I'm posting in the Microsoft section because that other guy made some comments regarding OSX, that I found were not true.

[MrPinkPanther]

What makes me laugh is one of the Ads Mac ran was its not like PC because you dont have to download loads of software to run stuff. Yet you have to download VMWare or whatever to run games, what figures?

Anyway I do have a Mac and I do use it for development, mainly iPhone stuff. I quite like the user interface and GarageBand and quite a bit of the iLife suite is really good. I still use my PC as my main system though, just because of the sheer support it has and the amount of software I can get to it. Why can't people just say they are both good operating systems (because they are) and they both have positives and negatives. Although saying that having tested the Windows 7 beta I think that OSX could be in serious do do.

[HotelUser]

What makes me laugh is one of the Ads Mac ran was its not like PC because you dont have to download loads of software to run stuff. Yet you have to download VMWare or whatever to run games, what figures?

Anyway I do have a Mac and I do use it for development, mainly iPhone stuff. I quite like the user interface and GarageBand and quite a bit of the iLife suite is really good. I still use my PC as my main system though, just because of the sheer support it has and the amount of software I can get to it. Why can't people just say they are both good operating systems (because they are) and they both have positives and negatives. Although saying that having tested the Windows 7 beta I think that OSX could be in serious do do.


Microsoft and Apple both have crappy ads. They're interesting, and seldom offer any legitimate reasons to support why you should buy a Mac or a PC.

[GommeInc]

Your sweet example is invalid. You've yet to acknowledge that OSX has positive traits, that Windows lacks. And although Windows lacks these "sweets" they have other sweets. Both operating systems have unique "sweets". As you said when you buy a system you hope for it to be compatible with things. My system is compatible of flawlessly running OSX and Windows? Is yours? I doubt it. Just a thought: go try OSX.
I don't need OSX, Windows Vista is compatible with more things than I need. Why would I want to waste my time and money buying a computer and then having to get another OS to put on it? Why not just have the one that does everything? Name one reason I'll ever need OSX. Why are you using Windows XP on OSX? Clearly something is wrong with that, if OSX was so amazing you wouldn't need another OS to hold its hand. What are these unique traits? As far as I am aware, all operating systems out there do exactly the same things, the difference being, is how they manipulate them and what does more or less. OSX doesn't do anything more than Windows, as with Linux doesn't do anymore or anyless than Windows.


Ah, I see you've made another poor comparison. Yes, it's true you don't have to be a cook to tell that food tastes crap. However, the comparisons you made should not have been made by someone who hasn't used the system. You're discussing features and compatibility. If you haven't actually used, I am saying you CANNOT speculate on such things. I don't mean to be rude, but you have absolutely no clue as to what you're saying now. You say what a Mac does, a PC can do a million times more things. Prove it. This is probably the most irrational and unjust things I have ever seen on HxF, ever. I cannot even begin to describe how invalid this statement is. Having used Windows (basically my whole life) as well as OSX I can honestly say I have never felt limited running OSX. Most mac users run Windows on their Macs you say? Prove it. As far as your piggy back comment goes, VmWare and Virtual PC are available for Windows too.
I still don't need to use a Mac to understand how it works. It's a computer that does the same thing as another OS, except looks different and manipulates its resources differently. OSX isn't at all different, it's not amazing nor unique. It uses the same peripherals as any other OS. I know how to use one, it takes two seconds of staring at one in PC World or an Apple Store to understand how it works, and the conclusion to that is - not differently. Also, I've noticed you stand clear of all my main points, like how can OSX be considered better, how an OS is to blame for viruses, why OSX needs VMWare when it is "fine" as it is. Also, my Mac users idea of loads seem to use it come from articles in magazines telling new users to use VMWare for their games and programs, not to mention this forum is crawling with Mac users using Windows on their Macs OR have both computers.


Again, you revolve around a paragraph with invalid information. Gaming is obviously not the turning point, otherwise Apple wouldn't be selling anything at all, their market-share would have gone down instead of up, and Ubuntu wouldn't even exist. You saying no virus crap made me chuckle. Obviously having a more secure system is important. I feel much safer using bittorrent on my iMac, than I ever did on my Vista machine. Windows doesn't get infected easily? Yeah...conflicker was so small and innocent. If a person gets an STI then it's clearly their fault, but wouldn't it be convenient if they didn't have to worry about STIs in the first place? Now THAT is a good comparison ;).
Again, you seem to comment around the "invalid" information yet never reference any information of your own. I may be listening to crap for all I know, which most of it appears to be. A more secure system isn't important. Also, conflicker? That never amounted to anything other than a failed attempt at scare mongering and is used by Mac Fanboys to make themselves seem superior, yet the fact nothing arised from it makes them look stupid ;) Macs aren't immune either... So they're likely to get STIs too. And surely what you said is exactly what I said, except using STIs as an example? It seems rather irrelevant anyway, because it's common sense or should be at least, but there are alot of idiots out there that get viruses and don't know how to remove them. Also, my point is still valid. You're still stupid for getting an STI, as you are with getting a virus on a computer or running over someone when they're clearly viewable.


Your last paragraph I deem also to be invalid for this reason, you're saying I'm not taking both sides into account, when you've completely neglected what I've said. Viruses are avoidable but sooner or later the average user is bound to contract one...two...five or even more. I'm actually finding your argument quite ridiculous now. You've not used OSX. You don't have the experience using it to back up your claims (or any creditable resources really).
Most people on here deem your arguments invalid, any arguments you pick up are usually discredited immediately and you pick out arguments that have been dead and buried for years, viruses for example. You don't even justify your claims :/ For all we know, you're speaking crap.

[HotelUser]

I don't need OSX, Windows Vista is compatible with more things than I need. Why would I want to waste my time and money buying a computer and then having to get another OS to put on it? Why not just have the one that does everything? Name one reason I'll ever need OSX. Why are you using Windows XP on OSX? Clearly something is wrong with that, if OSX was so amazing you wouldn't need another OS to hold its hand. What are these unique traits? As far as I am aware, all operating systems out there do exactly the same things, the difference being, is how they manipulate them and what does more or less. OSX doesn't do anything more than Windows, as with Linux doesn't do anymore or anyless than Windows.


I still don't need to use a Mac to understand how it works. It's a computer that does the same thing as another OS, except looks different and manipulates its resources differently. OSX isn't at all different, it's not amazing nor unique. It uses the same peripherals as any other OS. I know how to use one, it takes two seconds of staring at one in PC World or an Apple Store to understand how it works, and the conclusion to that is - not differently. Also, I've noticed you stand clear of all my main points, like how can OSX be considered better, how an OS is to blame for viruses, why OSX needs VMWare when it is "fine" as it is. Also, my Mac users idea of loads seem to use it come from articles in magazines telling new users to use VMWare for their games and programs, not to mention this forum is crawling with Mac users using Windows on their Macs OR have both computers.


Again, you seem to comment around the "invalid" information yet never reference any information of your own. I may be listening to crap for all I know, which most of it appears to be. A more secure system isn't important. Also, conflicker? That never amounted to anything other than a failed attempt at scare mongering and is used by Mac Fanboys to make themselves seem superior, yet the fact nothing arised from it makes them look stupid ;) Macs aren't immune either... So they're likely to get STIs too. And surely what you said is exactly what I said, except using STIs as an example? It seems rather irrelevant anyway, because it's common sense or should be at least, but there are alot of idiots out there that get viruses and don't know how to remove them. Also, my point is still valid. You're still stupid for getting an STI, as you are with getting a virus on a computer or running over someone when they're clearly viewable.


Most people on here deem your arguments invalid, any arguments you pick up are usually discredited immediately and you pick out arguments that have been dead and buried for years, viruses for example. You don't even justify your claims :/ For all we know, you're speaking crap.

If you don't need it then don't buy it. I just have a problem with people criticizing things they don't really know about. All operating systems don't do the same thing. Some work better than others. In my opinion, after having used both Vista and XP I would deem XP better, and then Vista and OSX I would deem OSX better. You or other users can disagree with me until you're blue in the face, that's not going to change my opinion, which is built off my experience of using all three OSes.

You DO need to use OSX to understand how it works. You don't know the functions on it, which applications there are, how they work and that they do (and have experience using them). Could you tell me how many times you experience error on Vista? Yes. Could you tell me that same statistic about OSX? No, you cannot. An Operating system isn't something you can fully understand from reading Wikipedia. If you read a book about driving a car and you've never actually driven one, I can guarantee you wont be as good at it as an experienced and responsible driver. You wont know the experience, and the unwritten technique that the driver has.

You seem to think this is some sort of Ultimatum. I don't have to choose one of another, I am allowed to use both (and hate Vista separately mind you). When I switched over to OSX I used vmware a lot more than I do now. Now when I'm using it it's only for things like .NET or Flight Sim. The programs and ways of Windows are not the ways of god. I learned that there are alternatives to my old favorite WIndows applications, that work just as good, if not better (there's even FS alternatives, like X-Plane).

I'm just going to pretend like you didn't say a secure system isn't important. I know a few million people who disagree with you. Of course security is important. Why else do we have antivirus applications? Pin numbers, passwords, spam filters, security updates, people complaining that their email address got hacked, or they can no longer access their Habbo account?

Conflicker updated its instructions on the first of April. Nobody specifically expected damage to be done on that day, all anybody knew was that its instructions were updated. That could mean a variety of things. Obviously, it hasn't done anything harmful, to our knowledge, yet.

Macs aren't immune, but they sure are a lot more immune than Windows. The chances of a OSX user getting a virus are a lot more slim than that of a Windows user. To me, that meant I could be abit more loose. Torrent abit more, that sort of thing.

Most people deem my arguments invalid? Since you cannot prove that I am now deeming what you said invalid; sorry. Also, you're saying security is not important, Windows is superior even though you've never used the alternative, and you're making very rash statistics up, which aren't true. I'm not making any claims. I'm stating known facts. Such as, someone who has used OSX is able to judge it better than a person who has not used it. PCs do get more viruses than OSX. They're just facts.

[GommeInc]

If you don't need it then don't buy it. I just have a problem with people criticizing things they don't really know about. All operating systems don't do the same thing. Some work better than others. In my opinion, after having used both Vista and XP I would deem XP better, and then Vista and OSX I would deem OSX better. You or other users can disagree with me until you're blue in the face, that's not going to change my opinion, which is built off my experience of using all three OSes.
The problem with saying "you have to use it to know it" argument is a pointless one though, how many hours until you are qualified with knowing how one works? I've played around with Macs for years, they don't appear to of changed in that time other than different cat names and numbers.


You DO need to use OSX to understand how it works. You don't know the functions on it, which applications there are, how they work and that they do (and have experience using them). Could you tell me how many times you experience error on Vista? Yes. Could you tell me that same statistic about OSX? No, you cannot. An Operating system isn't something you can fully understand from reading Wikipedia. If you read a book about driving a car and you've never actually driven one, I can guarantee you wont be as good at it as an experienced and responsible driver. You wont know the experience, and the unwritten technique that the driver has.
Wikipedia is non-bias for a start and my knowledge if formed from users and reviews and general tid-bits. Also, a flaw in your argument. As far as you're aware, I must know how the OS functions to understand it, by owning one. So as far as I am aware, you could be talking rubbish, because I cannot prove your information is correct, nor can you prove your information is correct, without absorbing information from external sources. So we're now playing a dead-end argument built on trust... Also, you can learn to drive a car by reading a book. There's not alot to learn from "slightly depress the clutch" and I can guarantee that such help books will label what is what and what goes where. You can either drive a car or not, there's no such thing as "slightly good at driving" or "horrifically inexperienced at driving". Also, who's to say you're going to go straight on the road? You'd practice, and you don't need alot of practice to understand how a Mac works...


You seem to think this is some sort of Ultimatum. I don't have to choose one of another, I am allowed to use both (and hate Vista separately mind you). When I switched over to OSX I used vmware a lot more than I do now. Now when I'm using it it's only for things like .NET or Flight Sim. The programs and ways of Windows are not the ways of god. I learned that there are alternatives to my old favorite WIndows applications, that work just as good, if not better (there's even FS alternatives, like X-Plane).
I'm now saying you have to use an alternative, my original arguments were:

-There are more things on a Windows PC, which is correct.
-Windows PCs are safe, the only downfall is the person behind them.
-Windows PCs are a bargain as far as the OS, the hardware and the software are concerned.

Your arguments look at those facts and you try to impliment opinion to knock them out. As far as facts and opinion go, they're two different things and opinion cannot take the place of fact, only fact can take the place of opinion.

My original arguments are yet to deemed invalid as far as you're concerned, because your way of depreciating facts is to strike them with opinion, but as far as common sense and fact go, they're correct. There are more things on a Window PC, correct. Your answer to that was "There are loads of Mac OSX alternatives." So? They're alternatives, there's not alot of them out there. Hardware, software, peripherals and so on. There are loads out there. Your argument is try and take away those facts by saying "So? That's not the point! It's the OS". See post # 19 (http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=5755852&postcount=19). Again, you're trying to pull away from the FACT that there's more that works with an OS. The FACT the OS is reliable seems to be beyond you. A Mac is just as reliable and unreliable as any other OS. As my FACT goes, the only downfall is the person using it. Cars are reliable, the only downfall is the driver. Sweets are reliable, their only downfall is the idiot who's about to choke on theirs and blame it. The other FACT is there is more widely available on a Windows PC, the market share kinda proves this... Look at printers that mention "Windows Certified" or "Windows and Mac," and games that are only available for Windows, and programs only available for Windows, past, present and future. The day my churchs EasyWorship program official works on a Mac would be amazing, yet that program relies on other programs also being available to work properly on a Mac. Apparently .ppt presentations from a Mac don't seem to work, only ones that come from Office 07 do. Impress (Open Office) .ppt documents don't work either. I've had both chucked at me and it comes up with a loading error.


I'm just going to pretend like you didn't say a secure system isn't important. I know a few million people who disagree with you. Of course security is important. Why else do we have antivirus applications? Pin numbers, passwords, spam filters, security updates, people complaining that their email address got hacked, or they can no longer access their Habbo account?
If Windows is insecure, then security mustn't be a problem. It works, it's secure that's all that matters. I'm just playing the "Ok, it's not secure" card just to please you ;) Because apparently all my MSN details, passwords and stuff are apparently floating around. The fact that it is wise to install Anti-Virus software and so on seems to go right pass you. Windows Defender or Security Centre warns you about this from the start. If you ignore these warnings, who is to blame? You, not the OS because that was chucking out warnings from the start.


Conflicker updated its instructions on the first of April. Nobody specifically expected damage to be done on that day, all anybody knew was that its instructions were updated. That could mean a variety of things. Obviously, it hasn't done anything harmful, to our knowledge, yet.
That's like me chucking out apocalypse theories that the world will end in a few days. No-one cares, and it seems unlikely anything will happen.


Macs aren't immune, but they sure are a lot more immune than Windows. The chances of a OSX user getting a virus are a lot more slim than that of a Windows user. To me, that meant I could be abit more loose. Torrent abit more, that sort of thing.
Don't torrents tell you what they include? Heck, I've downloaded stuff that had dodgy files in, and my PC is still working fine. What's this argument got to do with anything anyway? I'm sure I mentioned this argument is dead and buried, you can salvage a computer very easily from a virus problem.


Most people deem my arguments invalid? Since you cannot prove that I am now deeming what you said invalid; sorry. Also, you're saying security is not important, Windows is superior even though you've never used the alternative, and you're making very rash statistics up, which aren't true. I'm not making any claims. I'm stating known facts. Such as, someone who has used OSX is able to judge it better than a person who has not used it. PCs do get more viruses than OSX. They're just facts.
I'm not going to fork out between £500-£2,000 to use a system when I've poked a Mac dozens of times in my life to see how one works. It doesn't take months to figure out how something works, otherwise school years would be longer and we'd all be in education till we are 30. There are loads of statistics online of how one works. Rash statistics? They're right infront of you. Just go on ebuyer, game.co.uk (or net, one of the two), play.com, amazon.co.uk, PCWorld.co.uk and other websites and you'd find more available on a PC than a Mac. The online store that Microsoft point you towards on their machines shows quite alot too. I very much doubt a Mac has more to offer. Also, I get my facts from reliable sources, not someone with a personal vendetta against a company because an OS was just far too different for them to handle. I'd be amazed what happens when Windows 7 comes out.

Also, you seem to not sleep :P

[Kyle!]

I'd just like to put my spin on things, about the whole Mac OS X vs Windows thing. I use to be a hardcore Windows user, i.e: I hated every other OS that Microsoft didn't produce such as Linux and Mac OS X (I used to HATE Macs for no reason what so ever, yes I know, I was so stupid).

But, as GommeInc, I hadn't used one before, I knew what it functioned like etc. and I thought, why would you pay more for something that's got crap compatibility compared to Windows and so much less software?

Anyway, I had been using Windows for most of my computer life and I switched to Vista and I was loving it. I had no issues and I was like, "What's with all the bad press?" I was so wrong.

I was going about daily business, and of course, I'd have NOD32 running and a firewall and suddenly, I clicked on a folder and I got the BSOD. I had to re-install Windows again, it wouldn't boot, repair, anything. I installed XP and suddenly, I wanted to try OSX86.

I installed OSX86, and boy was it a breath of fresh air. Everything was so fluid, everything was there, and to my surprise there was a lot more software than I thought, pretty much equaling Windows (for everything I needed). After using OS X for a day, my mind was totally changed. I wanted a Mac, and here I am today, running an iMac and loving it and plan on NEVER switching back. I'm ready for all the **** I'm about to get from the internet tough guys so I don't really care, just my opinion.

I'd also like to add, Mac doesn't have the terrible Windows registry system, which is so outdated and terrible it should be taken off ASAP. Macs also use a journaled file system, which is a lot less prone to corrupting and data loss etc and it quite honestly, fixes itself (by self maintaining scripts etc.)

Anyway, bring it on! LOL! :D

[Jordy]

HotelUser you said it yourself for me, you say people with STIs it's their fault. You then attempt to cover yourself by saying it'd be nice not to worry about that.

I'm afraid it's your own stupid fault that you're incapable to maintain a Windows OS, don't pull the 'Oh well with Mac I don't have to' card because millions of people around the world manage it, it's just the case of setting up an Anti-Virus and occasionally paying for it etc.

Windows XP is FAR less secure than Windows Vista. For many months now you've been bragging how Windows XP is far better than Windows Vista yet now you're fighting for Mac you're raving about virus's and security. Windows XP is a rather insecure OS and because it was that unsafe it delayed Vista by over a year. Vista is very safe, they released a patch to the Conflicker virus before it was meant to activate on April 1st, if people had automatic updates on they were secure. It's idiots like yourself which don't have automatic updates on and then kick up a fuss when they get a virus.

Torrenting is hardly scary on Vista, if you bother to read the comments on tracker websites and you can see thousands of people seeding it, it's clearly not a virus, and if they've managed to disguise a virus in the files you're downloading, you should have a Anti-Virus which will then catch it ;)

Like you said, many Mac users do emulate some sort of Windows OS using whatever software. The emulating software is available for Windows yes, try get Mac working on VirtualBox and it doesn't work. The fact is, there's no applications that are exclusive to Mac that Windows users need to use, otherwise they'd be emulators easy to use like you have.

Edited by MattGarner (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not insult a forum member.

[Agnostic Bear]

I'd also like to add, Mac doesn't have the terrible Windows registry system, which is so outdated and terrible it should be taken off ASAP. Macs also use a journaled file system, which is a lot less prone to corrupting and data loss etc and it quite honestly, fixes itself (by self maintaining scripts etc.)

Do you actually have any idea what the registry does, what a journaling file system is (note: Windows has journaling exactly the same way OS X does, Metadata-only) or what the "self maintaining" scripts do? Without googling now.

I've never in my 7 years+ of using Windows had a file system corruptions, in fact I've never had file system corruption on any OS apart from OS X, leading me to believe these "self maintaining" scripts are there as a stop-gap measure until the horrible mess that HFS Plus is can be fixed.

Which is never.

[HotelUser]

HotelUser you said it yourself for me, you say people with STIs it's their fault. You then attempt to cover yourself by saying it'd be nice not to worry about that.

I'm afraid it's your own stupid fault that you're incapable to maintain a Windows OS, don't pull the 'Oh well with Mac I don't have to' card because millions of people around the world manage it, it's just the case of setting up an Anti-Virus and occasionally paying for it etc.

Windows XP is FAR less secure than Windows Vista. For many months now you've been bragging how Windows XP is far better than Windows Vista yet now you're fighting for Mac you're raving about virus's and security. Windows XP is a rather insecure OS and because it was that unsafe it delayed Vista by over a year. Vista is very safe, they released a patch to the Conflicker virus before it was meant to activate on April 1st, if people had automatic updates on they were secure. It's idiots like yourself which don't have automatic updates on and then kick up a fuss when they get a virus.

Torrenting is hardly scary on Vista, if you bother to read the comments on tracker websites and you can see thousands of people seeding it, it's clearly not a virus, and if they've managed to disguise a virus in the files you're downloading, you should have a Anti-Virus which will then catch it ;)

Like you said, many Mac users do emulate some sort of Windows OS using whatever software. The emulating software is available for Windows yes, try get Mac working on VirtualBox and it doesn't work. The fact is, there's no applications that are exclusive to Mac that Windows users need to use, otherwise they'd be emulators easy to use like you have.
Wrong. Getting an STI is the person's fault. But what I was saying is, it would be awesome not to have to worry about getting STIs in general.

Crashing cars is typically a drivers fault. Wouldn't it be nice if we magically could prevent car crashes altogether?

No, I think OSX is superior because I don't like Vista because I think Microsoft screwed up. Not because, as you so politely put it I'm stupid and cannot use operating systems? (btw -rep. Discussing this is one thing, resorting to childish name calling is another). Respect my opinion, debate my opinion, but when it comes down to name calling for the sake of it, that's ridiculous. I have valid reasons not to like Vista. Either agree, disagree or don't bother to post insults at all ;)

I'm raving about how I like XP better? You just said I'm too stupid to take care of a computer. If XP is insecure and I am stupid then surly I would mess XP up so quickly I would hate it? Sort of contradictory don't you think?

I always had automatic updates on. If you'd read the other posts you will see that I said Windows is secure, OSX is MORE secure.

Torrenting is hardly scary on Vista?! It's scary anyways. In the first place, you're telling me not to trust the stranger that posted the torrent, and to read the comments posted by other --strangers--.

There are many useful Mac programs, there are many useful Windows programs. Obviously for me and Kyle to switch over to OSX, there was nothing huge that we had to give up on Windows.





The problem with saying "you have to use it to know it" argument is a pointless one though, how many hours until you are qualified with knowing how one works? I've played around with Macs for years, they don't appear to of changed in that time other than different cat names and numbers.


Wikipedia is non-bias for a start and my knowledge if formed from users and reviews and general tid-bits. Also, a flaw in your argument. As far as you're aware, I must know how the OS functions to understand it, by owning one. So as far as I am aware, you could be talking rubbish, because I cannot prove your information is correct, nor can you prove your information is correct, without absorbing information from external sources. So we're now playing a dead-end argument built on trust... Also, you can learn to drive a car by reading a book. There's not alot to learn from "slightly depress the clutch" and I can guarantee that such help books will label what is what and what goes where. You can either drive a car or not, there's no such thing as "slightly good at driving" or "horrifically inexperienced at driving". Also, who's to say you're going to go straight on the road? You'd practice, and you don't need alot of practice to understand how a Mac works...


I'm now saying you have to use an alternative, my original arguments were:

-There are more things on a Windows PC, which is correct.
-Windows PCs are safe, the only downfall is the person behind them.
-Windows PCs are a bargain as far as the OS, the hardware and the software are concerned.

Your arguments look at those facts and you try to impliment opinion to knock them out. As far as facts and opinion go, they're two different things and opinion cannot take the place of fact, only fact can take the place of opinion.

My original arguments are yet to deemed invalid as far as you're concerned, because your way of depreciating facts is to strike them with opinion, but as far as common sense and fact go, they're correct. There are more things on a Window PC, correct. Your answer to that was "There are loads of Mac OSX alternatives." So? They're alternatives, there's not alot of them out there. Hardware, software, peripherals and so on. There are loads out there. Your argument is try and take away those facts by saying "So? That's not the point! It's the OS". See post # 19 (http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=5755852&postcount=19). Again, you're trying to pull away from the FACT that there's more that works with an OS. The FACT the OS is reliable seems to be beyond you. A Mac is just as reliable and unreliable as any other OS. As my FACT goes, the only downfall is the person using it. Cars are reliable, the only downfall is the driver. Sweets are reliable, their only downfall is the idiot who's about to choke on theirs and blame it. The other FACT is there is more widely available on a Windows PC, the market share kinda proves this... Look at printers that mention "Windows Certified" or "Windows and Mac," and games that are only available for Windows, and programs only available for Windows, past, present and future. The day my churchs EasyWorship program official works on a Mac would be amazing, yet that program relies on other programs also being available to work properly on a Mac. Apparently .ppt presentations from a Mac don't seem to work, only ones that come from Office 07 do. Impress (Open Office) .ppt documents don't work either. I've had both chucked at me and it comes up with a loading error.


If Windows is insecure, then security mustn't be a problem. It works, it's secure that's all that matters. I'm just playing the "Ok, it's not secure" card just to please you ;) Because apparently all my MSN details, passwords and stuff are apparently floating around. The fact that it is wise to install Anti-Virus software and so on seems to go right pass you. Windows Defender or Security Centre warns you about this from the start. If you ignore these warnings, who is to blame? You, not the OS because that was chucking out warnings from the start.


That's like me chucking out apocalypse theories that the world will end in a few days. No-one cares, and it seems unlikely anything will happen.


Don't torrents tell you what they include? Heck, I've downloaded stuff that had dodgy files in, and my PC is still working fine. What's this argument got to do with anything anyway? I'm sure I mentioned this argument is dead and buried, you can salvage a computer very easily from a virus problem.


I'm not going to fork out between £500-£2,000 to use a system when I've poked a Mac dozens of times in my life to see how one works. It doesn't take months to figure out how something works, otherwise school years would be longer and we'd all be in education till we are 30. There are loads of statistics online of how one works. Rash statistics? They're right infront of you. Just go on ebuyer, game.co.uk (or net, one of the two), play.com, amazon.co.uk, PCWorld.co.uk and other websites and you'd find more available on a PC than a Mac. The online store that Microsoft point you towards on their machines shows quite alot too. I very much doubt a Mac has more to offer. Also, I get my facts from reliable sources, not someone with a personal vendetta against a company because an OS was just far too different for them to handle. I'd be amazed what happens when Windows 7 comes out.

Also, you seem to not sleep :P



I find it very funny that you think you know so much about how OSX is terrible and how my argument here is pointless. You're certainly not an expert on OSX. You HAVE NOT used it. I can GUARANTEE someone who actually uses OSX knows it better than you. You saying not much has changed proves my point that you're not sure what you're talking about.

Wrong wrong wrong. You need experience with the car to learn how to work it. It's the same with OSX and with Windows. I cannot express how surprised I am, that you're still trying to argue the point that you're a genius about why OSX is bad without having actually used it.

I don't mean this rudely, but that's ignorance. You don't know as much about OSX (and that's a true statement, as you said, you have not used it).

I'd like to mention trust. I'd like to review some of the past posts, where you have said only gamming matters, nobody cares about security, only idiots get viruses and you have a superhero ability of judging operating systems without actually of used them. I'm not sure in which world where all those are facts.

You said:
"1-There are more things on a Windows PC, which is correct.
2-Windows PCs are safe, the only downfall is the person behind them.
3-Windows PCs are a bargain as far as the OS, the hardware and the software are concerned."

1. Totally ludicrous statement. I find it somewhat hypocritical that you're telling me I'm not stating true facts, when this obviously a very untrue fact. Show me the proof, from a creditable source.

2. Windows computers are safe, but not AS SAFE as OSX.

3. Your opinion is noted. HOWEVER it is only opinion and holds no fact.


Your opinions are far from common sense. Especially where you said you can do more on Windows, and security doesn't matter.

"FACT the OS is reliable seems to be beyond you" Windows has a fair reliability rating, OSX has a higher one. FACT. See ratio of users contracting viruses on Windows vs OSX.

Once again, it's totally and utterly irrelevant as to who the end user is, that still doesn't change the fact that Windows users are at greater risk than OSX users when it comes to getting a virus. Nothing is going to change THAT fact, and that is a FAAACT.

"The other FACT is there is more widely available on a Windows PC" - Controversial. Very Controversial. Prove it. Just because it says it's compatible with Windows doesn't mean it's not compatible with OSX? ALL my hardware worked with my iMac, without doing anything (infact, it was easier getting my hardware to work with OSX than on Vista. I plugged it in and it just worked. No Plug and Play crap).

EasyWorship is not god. There are alternatives. I could say the same vice versa: "The day Quicksilver, Adium, LittleSnitch, iMovie, TextEdit, TextMate worked on Windows would be amazing." You see, not everybody cares about EasyWorship. There are OSX alternatives. EasyWorship is not something you ABSOLUTELY NEED, it is not the single piece of software we all depend on and without it we would be screwed. I can get alternatives for EasyWorship, just as I can get alternatives for QuickSilver.


BTW, you saying you don't "think" PPTs work with OSX sort of proves you don't know as much about OSX as you maybe should. PPTs work fine for me on OSX?

Once again, Windows is secure. OSX is more secure. FACT!!!1
(Antivirus is also not god, and does NOT catch everything)

Yeah, these Chinese guys infected over 10 million computers, and they now have 10 million computers at their disposal and they're not going to do anything. I LOVE the world!

Yes torrents do tell you what they include. No, they do not go like this:

1. product
2. keygen
3. readme
4. keylogger, but don't tell anybody

Yeah, spending hours re-imaging PCs was the pinnacle of my PC experience.

For you be be experienced enough to make such claims as you're making, it would take months. I thought that would have been obvious when you were curious about the functionality of PPTs on OSX.


I chucked at your last statement (preceding the lack of sleep..in Canada btw). You don't get facts from reliable sources. You're making them up out of the top of your head.

[Agnostic Bear]

Wrong. Getting an STI is the person's fault. But what I was saying is, it would be awesome not to have to worry about getting STIs in general.

Crashing cars is typically a drivers fault. Wouldn't it be nice if we magically could prevent car crashes altogether?

No, I think OSX is superior because I don't like Vista because I think Microsoft screwed up. Not because, as you so politely put it I'm stupid and cannot use operating systems? (btw -rep. Discussing this is one thing, resorting to childish name calling is another). Respect my opinion, debate my opinion, but when it comes down to name calling for the sake of it, that's ridiculous. I have valid reasons not to like Vista. Either agree, disagree or don't bother to post insults at all ;)

I'm raving about how I like XP better? You just said I'm too stupid to take care of a computer. If XP is secure and I am stupid then surly I would mess XP up so quickly I would hate it? Sort of contradictory don't you think?

I always had automatic updates on. If you'd read the other posts you will see that I said Windows is secure, OSX is MORE secure.

Torrenting is hardly scary on Vista?! It's scary anyways. In the first place, you're telling me not to trust the stranger that posted the torrent, and to read the comments posted by other --strangers--.

There are many useful Mac programs, there are many useful Windows programs. Obviously for me and Kyle to switch over to OSX, there was nothing huge that we had to give up on Windows.








I find it very funny that you think you know so much about how OSX is terrible and how my argument here is pointless. You're certainly not an expert on OSX. You HAVE NOT used it. I can GUARANTEE someone who actually uses OSX knows it better than you. You saying not much has changed proves my point that you're not sure what you're talking about.

Wrong wrong wrong. You need experience with the car to learn how to work it. It's the same with OSX and with Windows. I cannot express how surprised I am, that you're still trying to argue the point that you're a genius about why OSX is bad without having actually used it.

I don't mean this rudely, but that's ignorance. You don't know as much about OSX (and that's a true statement, as you said, you have not used it).

I'd like to mention trust. I'd like to review some of the past posts, where you have said only gamming matters, nobody cares about security, only idiots get viruses and you have a superhero ability of judging operating systems without actually of used them. I'm not sure in which world where all those are facts.

You said:
"1-There are more things on a Windows PC, which is correct.
2-Windows PCs are safe, the only downfall is the person behind them.
3-Windows PCs are a bargain as far as the OS, the hardware and the software are concerned."

1. Totally ludicrous statement. I find it somewhat hypocritical that you're telling me I'm not stating true facts, when this obviously a very untrue fact. Show me the proof, from a creditable source.

2. Windows computers are safe, but not AS SAFE as OSX.

3. Your opinion is noted. HOWEVER it is only opinion and holds no fact.


Your opinions are far from common sense. Especially where you said you can do more on Windows, and security doesn't matter.

"FACT the OS is reliable seems to be beyond you" Windows has a fair reliability rating, OSX has a higher one. FACT. See ratio of users contracting viruses on Windows vs OSX.

Once again, it's totally and utterly irrelevant as to who the end user is, that still doesn't change the fact that Windows users are at greater risk than OSX users when it comes to getting a virus. Nothing is going to change THAT fact, and that is a FAAACT.

"The other FACT is there is more widely available on a Windows PC" - Controversial. Very Controversial. Prove it. Just because it says it's compatible with Windows doesn't mean it's not compatible with OSX? ALL my hardware worked with my iMac, without doing anything (infact, it was easier getting my hardware to work with OSX than on Vista. I plugged it in and it just worked. No Plug and Play crap).

EasyWorship is not god. There are alternatives. I could say the same vice versa: "The day Quicksilver, Adium, LittleSnitch, iMovie, TextEdit, TextMate worked on Windows would be amazing." You see, not everybody cares about EasyWorship. There are OSX alternatives. EasyWorship is not something you ABSOLUTELY NEED, it is not the single piece of software we all depend on and without it we would be screwed. I can get alternatives for EasyWorship, just as I can get alternatives for QuickSilver.


BTW, you saying you don't "think" PPTs work with OSX sort of proves you don't know as much about OSX as you maybe should. PPTs work fine for me on OSX?

Once again, Windows is secure. OSX is more secure. FACT!!!1
(Antivirus is also not god, and does NOT catch everything)

Yeah, these Chinese guys infected over 10 million computers, and they now have 10 million computers at their disposal and they're not going to do anything. I LOVE the world!

Yes torrents do tell you what they include. No, they do not go like this:

1. product
2. keygen
3. readme
4. keylogger, but don't tell anybody

Yeah, spending hours re-imaging PCs was the pinnacle of my PC experience.

For you be be experienced enough to make such claims as you're making, it would take months. I thought that would have been obvious when you were curious about the functionality of PPTs on OSX.


I chucked at your last statement (preceding the lack of sleep..in Canada btw). You don't get facts from reliable sources. You're making them up out of the top of your head.

Would you kindly stop posting in this section before you make me use my thinking cap to floor you. You are currently making a rather large ass of yourself. Thanks in advance.

[HotelUser]

Would you kindly stop posting in this section before you make me use my thinking cap to floor you. You are currently making a rather large ass of yourself. Thanks in advance.

Quit threating me with thinking caps. It's not going to work ;)

[Agnostic Bear]

Quit threating me with thinking caps. It's not going to work ;)

Ok well I have 20 minutes until I eat so I will do some light thinking:


Wrong. Getting an STI is the person's fault. But what I was saying is, it would be awesome not to have to worry about getting STIs in general.

Wrong, getting an STI from someone with no symptoms who lies is not the fault of the person who goes on trust.



No, I think OSX is superior because I don't like Vista because I think Microsoft screwed up. Not because, as you so politely put it I'm stupid and cannot use operating systems? (btw -rep. Discussing this is one thing, resorting to childish name calling is another). Respect my opinion, debate my opinion, but when it comes down to name calling for the sake of it, that's ridiculous. I have valid reasons not to like Vista. Either agree, disagree or don't bother to post insults at all ;)

Well done you are hating an OS just the same as these people who hate OS X because they're related to Apple.


I always had automatic updates on. If you'd read the other posts you will see that I said Windows is secure, OSX is MORE secure.

Incorrect, please see previous comments on PWN2OWN, Safari (which is built into the kernel) was owned first, in a matter of seconds, the only browser that stood it's ground was Chrome, which is a Windows browser.


Torrenting is hardly scary on Vista?! It's scary anyways. In the first place, you're telling me not to trust the stranger that posted the torrent, and to read the comments posted by other --strangers--.

The same applies for OS X, see: iWork trojan or whatever it is. Torrenting on Windows is a snap, download uTorrent, push a few buttons, open your torrent file, bam torrent. If you download from trusted sources, you wont have any problem at all.



You said:
"1-There are more things on a Windows PC, which is correct.
2-Windows PCs are safe, the only downfall is the person behind them.
3-Windows PCs are a bargain as far as the OS, the hardware and the software are concerned."

1. Totally ludicrous statement. I find it somewhat hypocritical that you're telling me I'm not stating true facts, when this obviously a very untrue fact. Show me the proof, from a creditable source.

2. Windows computers are safe, but not AS SAFE as OSX.

3. Your opinion is noted. HOWEVER it is only opinion and holds no fact.


1. There are more things on a Windows PC what are you talking about, Windows has a much bigger market share, it's only logical that there will be more "things" on it.

2. They're even safer! See: PWN2OWN, if that's anything to go by then OS X will crumble under it's own weight, which is already starting to happen.

3. It's not an opinion, in terms of price it is a bargain.


Your opinions are far from common sense. Especially where you said you can do more on Windows, and security doesn't matter.

You can do more on Windows, Windows has more things to do, that is easily viewable on any computer, just head over to the Registry, Administrative Controls or Control Panel, all have lots of things to do, far more than OS X you'll find.



"FACT the OS is reliable seems to be beyond you" Windows has a fair reliability rating, OSX has a higher one. FACT. See ratio of users contracting viruses on Windows vs OSX.

OS X is only stable because it's restricted to a tiny hardware rosta, put them on the machines that Windows can run on and OS X will fall flat on it's face every time.


Once again, it's totally and utterly irrelevant as to who the end user is, that still doesn't change the fact that Windows users are at greater risk than OSX users when it comes to getting a virus. Nothing is going to change THAT fact, and that is a FAAACT.

0/10 nice trolling


"The other FACT is there is more widely available on a Windows PC" - Controversial. Very Controversial. Prove it. Just because it says it's compatible with Windows doesn't mean it's not compatible with OSX? ALL my hardware worked with my iMac, without doing anything (infact, it was easier getting my hardware to work with OSX than on Vista. I plugged it in and it just worked. No Plug and Play crap).

"I plugged it in and it just worked. No Plug and Play crap."
That's Plug and Play at work there chum, just with nice pretty colours.

Also with the amount of hardware that wont work with OS X I'd say there is more widely available on a Windows PC, that's just "common sense".


Once again, Windows is secure. OSX is more secure. FACT!!!1
(Antivirus is also not god, and does NOT catch everything)

PWN2OWN etc


Yeah, these Chinese guys infected over 10 million computers, and they now have 10 million computers at their disposal and they're not going to do anything. I LOVE the world!

Yeah, these Chinese guys infected several thousand Macs (given market share, that's a pretty huge number), and they now have the most expensive botnet on the planet at their disposal and they're not going to do anything.


Yes torrents do tell you what they include. No, they do not go like this:

1. product
2. keygen
3. readme
4. keylogger, but don't tell anybody


This is why you download from trusted sources, because they're trusted! (who would have guessed). Yes you could get a virus, you could also get a virus from downloading your favourite OS X program, it makes no difference.


I chucked at your last statement (preceding the lack of sleep..in Canada btw). You don't get facts from reliable sources. You're making them up out of the top of your head.

Unlike you who has a magical array of things at his fingertips, eh? about time we got someone who knows what they're talking about, eh eh eh?

I think I did it without breaking quotes, who knows. Time for consumption of mass quantities.

Consider yourself told and thought about for a small amount of time.