The Ashes Tour, 2009.

[Tintinnabulate]

Flintoff's last test on the 20th. I hope England get trashed. Would be the perfect send off for that show off Flintoff.

[StefanWolves]

Flintoff's last test on the 20th. I hope England get trashed. Would be the perfect send off for that show off Flintoff.

You are totally wrong.

Good luck Flintoff, great servant for English cricket, and a great world figure for cricket, just make sure those ashes come back home to England! :)

[Tintinnabulate]

Well mainly people agree with me. After telling them how Flintoff always thinks he is better than everyone else and is a obvious show off and loves himself, they can now see what I meant and agree with me. You can clearly tell by his celebrations that he is an idiot. The guy has no respect for his team, otherwise he wont be drunk before matches :\ Say sorry. And then do it again. He doesn't know what sorry means. Its a shame IPL teams will carry on paying a lot of money for someone who is useless.

o.O just found many others who think the same :)


Yes, he won the match for them, not why I hate him. It's because of his wicket celebrations. It shows of a overrated fool who's cocky and so on.....


There's about 4 threads just for this ****, even his own user (FLINTOFF = IDIOT?). Although he bowled really really well last test, I agree he is over rated, and his celebrations are wanky. Not to mention he is an alcoholic.


hes not team man thats for sure..team player acknowledge team mates beofre themselves...reminds me of an AFL player Jeff famrer from freo.....

[StefanWolves]

Well mainly people agree with me. After telling them how Flintoff always thinks he is better than everyone else and is a obvious show off and loves himself, they can now see what I meant and agree with me. You can clearly tell by his celebrations that he is an idiot. The guy has no respect for his team, otherwise he wont be drunk before matches :\ Say sorry. And then do it again. He doesn't know what sorry means. Its a shame IPL teams will carry on paying a lot of money for someone who is useless.

o.O just found many others who think the same :)

You're wrong.

Well they're obviously the minority, you just picked out those off some other forum, and you didn't even provide any sources/names.

The majority in this forum who have posted in this thread so far admire Flintoff, it's only you that dislikes him.

Wow, you found three people that don't like his 'attitude' - and thats many others......... :rolleyes:

[Catzsy]

Well mainly people agree with me. After telling them how Flintoff always thinks he is better than everyone else and is a obvious show off and loves himself, they can now see what I meant and agree with me. You can clearly tell by his celebrations that he is an idiot. The guy has no respect for his team, otherwise he wont be drunk before matches :\ Say sorry. And then do it again. He doesn't know what sorry means. Its a shame IPL teams will carry on paying a lot of money for someone who is useless.

o.O just found many others who think the same :)

Well I do agree with TheWolf here that is hardly many others and the quotes have no names? Quite honestly none of us know what Flintoff is really like only what we have read in the media and quite honestly what have personalities got to do with it ? Hardly a useless cricketer as well - he has been a great servant to the game. The same could be said of Ian Botham who was one of the greatest around at the the time. Just because they play sport doesn't mean they have to be angels - they are employed for their skills and you can hardly query his stats :)

[Tintinnabulate]

I didnt quote names as I did a quick google search and found one thread. I really dont want to waste hours finding you thousands of names to proove my points. Most people in this thread admire flintoff? Thats a bit obvious as most of them support England ... and to prove this point. http://forum.sportal.com.au/viewthread.aspx?t=59872 A mainly Aussies forum ... most people hate Flintoff. ESPN agree that he is a show off.

Still a cocky player. Who else turns up to a match drunk. Says sorry and does it again. Flintoff.

[Catzsy]

I didnt quote names as I did a quick google search and found one thread. I really dont want to waste hours finding you thousands of names to proove my points. Most people in this thread admire flintoff? Thats a bit obvious as most of them support England ... and to prove this point. http://forum.sportal.com.au/viewthread.aspx?t=59872 A mainly Aussies forum ... most people hate Flintoff. ESPN agree that he is a show off.

Still a cocky player. Who else turns up to a match drunk. Says sorry and does it again. Flintoff.

Its called 'sporting rivalry', Ksoz. Simple as that. Nothing more nothing less.
I am not sure why you keep focussing on personalities. It doesn't actually have much to do with The Ashes. I think people are more interested in the games than in what he does so my vote is to get back the the Ashes Series. :P

[StefanWolves]

I didnt quote names as I did a quick google search and found one thread. I really dont want to waste hours finding you thousands of names to proove my points. Most people in this thread admire flintoff? Thats a bit obvious as most of them support England ... and to prove this point. http://forum.sportal.com.au/viewthread.aspx?t=59872 A mainly Aussies forum ... most people hate Flintoff. ESPN agree that he is a show off.

Still a cocky player. Who else turns up to a match drunk. Says sorry and does it again. Flintoff.

Okay, if Flintoff is cocky, so is Dhoni, and Yuvraj, they're the most cockiest players in world cricket, if you think Flintoff is cocky, then look in your own team, it's a team full of big headed idiots.

Quite frankly you just concentrate on his personality just to take the shine off how good he actually is as a player, this gives me the impression that you are jealous that Flintoff isn't Indian.

Cricket players aren't all angels, you know, Indian cricket is different to Australian and English cricket, different styles and different cultures, heard about Andrew Symonds? have we? he made mistakes, a fair bit more than Flintoff, and he paid for it, but not all cricket players are angles, they have to have a life besides cricket to, and if it's rowing a boat in the middle of the night pissed out of his brains then so be it? it's only his life at the end of the day and he can do what he likes with it, and why should you or anyone judge him because of what you see on TV?

Btw, you said earlier that when you explain your opinions on Flintoff, then people mainly agree with you? but you just admitted you google searched it, so in other words your were lying about it? great proof mate, great proof, anything and everything comes up on google searches, just like this:

http://premala.com/?p=709 - an INDIAN website.

Read that, it explains that people know Yuvrah is cocky, but because of the talent he has, he can be cocky, if he wants, this is the same in the Flintoffs case.

I rest my case.

[Tintinnabulate]

Okay, if Flintoff is cocky, so is Dhoni, and Yuvraj, they're the most cockiest players in world cricket, if you think Flintoff is cocky, then look in your own team, it's a team full of big headed idiots.

Quite frankly you just concentrate on his personality just to take the shine off how good he actually is as a player, this gives me the impression that you are jealous that Flintoff isn't Indian.

Cricket players aren't all angels, you know, Indian cricket is different to Australian and English cricket, different styles and different cultures, heard about Andrew Symonds? have we? he made mistakes, a fair bit more than Flintoff, and he paid for it, but not all cricket players are angles, they have to have a life besides cricket to, and if it's rowing a boat in the middle of the night pissed out of his brains then so be it? it's only his life at the end of the day and he can do what he likes with it, and why should you or anyone judge him because of what you see on TV?

Btw, you said earlier that when you explain your opinions on Flintoff, then people mainly agree with you? but you just admitted you google searched it, so in other words your were lying about it? great proof mate, great proof, anything and everything comes up on google searches, just like this:

http://premala.com/?p=709 - an INDIAN website.

Read that, it explains that people know Yuvrah is cocky, but because of the talent he has, he can be cocky, if he wants, this is the same in the Flintoffs case.

I rest my case.

Bhajji, Sreesanth etc are cocky and bad tempered too. I never said they weren't :S But this is about the Ashes, hence the England team is being discussed not the Indian team. And why would I be jealous that Flintoff isnt Indian rofl? We trashed England in the last test and ODI series 5-0 and 3-0 and have won our last 5 series ... India is doing great at the moment and not getting 50 something and 102 all out in a Test match :). I never asked you to agree with me that Flintoff is cocky and an idiot, we all have our opinion. And my opinion is that he is a total idiot with no respect for others.

I rest my case.

[Catzsy]

Bhajji, Sreesanth etc are cocky and bad tempered too. I never said they weren't :S But this is about the Ashes, hence the England team is being discussed not the Indian team. And why would I be jealous that Flintoff isnt Indian rofl? We trashed England in the last test and ODI series 5-0 and 3-0 and have won our last 5 series ... India is doing great at the moment and not getting 50 something and 102 all out in a Test match :). I never asked you to agree with me that Flintoff is cocky and an idiot, we all have our opinion. And my opinion is that he is a total idiot with no respect for others.

I rest my case.

I agree on this one - I have no idea why TheWolf would think you were jealous that Flintoff isn't indian. I think you do have enough talented players in the indian team. Now can we get back to the Ashes please, Guys? :D

[Tintinnabulate]

Collingwood, I reckon, is one of your best players, along with Anderson. Everytime Collingwood is out, I get a huge sigh of relief.

[Hecktix]

I think the oval will fit well to England's style.

[Tintinnabulate]

Aussies have rarely won there :( not looking good for them.

[Geraint]

England hadn't beaten Australia at Lords for decades and they beat them. Records mean nothing, it's how you perform over the 5 days. If Australia can carry on from where they left off, they're in with a good chance. Be interesting to see how the Aussie's line-up. Are they going to go for Hauritz or leave Clarke in?

[Immenseman]

england r gna win. i said to myself if i get over 500 in the arcade game chopper they will win and i got 600 odd thus they r gna win. fact.

[StefanWolves]

Haha Jake I remember I got 4000 on that once. XD!

[Blinger1]

Australia will win just like we did against Ireland oh yes. Jake I noticed you have stoppped saying "1-0" I wonder why...?

[Andeeh]

I reckon aussies will probably edge the series, but i still have faith in England.

Although are middle order is as weak as it has ever been, only man im comfortable with is Prior and Colly. But i reckon bell we keep his space as he scored 126 in there County championship game today.

Get Bopara out, put key in simple. also if our lower order batted how they did in headingly then thats good news.

England are going to have to make a ballsy change to shape things up but like the good ol' england we play conservative.

[Smiddy]

What happens with regards to Lee? Since he's fit again and their main bowler, I'd feel a lot more relieved without him in the squad.

Can't believe how wrong I was about North, curses.

Plus would anyone be happy to drop Harmy and Onions, and then bring in Flintoff and Key, leaves us with 4 bowlers and a couple of part-timers (anyone see Cook got a wicket today?) and a strengthened batting line-up.

[Tintinnabulate]

Bopara dropped. Shame they didnt drop that show off Flintoff.

[StefanWolves]

Broad might be injured, Harmison could come in though.

[Tintinnabulate]

Are you saying Broad wont be playing? Excellent news for England. He did them no good. He loves himself. Harmison is better.

[-Heart]

Are you saying Broad wont be playing? Excellent news for England. He did them no good. He loves himself. Harmison is better.
Gets us some wickets, though.

[Tintinnabulate]

Thats true. Why was Trescothick originally dropped from the team? Because I havent seen him play in years, I thought he had retired.

[StefanWolves]

He has retired, he has a mental illness which stops him playing for England.

[Tintinnabulate]

Ashes bookmaker allegation probed

Cricket chiefs are investigating claims of suspicious bookmaker activity linked to the Ashes series.

The International Cricket Council confirmed it was investigating after receiving a report from the Australian team management.

Cricinfo website reported an Australian player was approached after last month's second Test by a man suspected of having links to illegal bookmaking.

The decisive final Test starts at The Oval, south London, on Thursday.

Cricinfo reported that the unidentified Australian player immediately alerted senior team officials, who notified the ICC's anti-corruption and security unit (ACSU).

An ICC spokesman said: "I can confirm the ACSU has received a report from Australia team management.

"The anti-corruption and security unit of the ICC has developed and implemented a fairly comprehensive education programme for all international players and every single international player has undergone that education and is aware of his responsibilities to report any suspicious activity that he feels he may have been subject to.

"It seems in this case that education has hit home and we have received a report that the ACSU will now investigate."


A detailed story can be found here (http://www.cricinfo.com/engvaus2009/content/current/story/420254.html).

My opinion is that, if the claim is true, the bookmakers were trying to persuade the player to do crap so England have a better chance of winning.

If my thinking is correct, then I really think the player was either Ponting, Johnson, Hilfenhaus or Siddle. Chances of it being a batsmen is low.

[Catzsy]

A detailed story can be found here (http://www.cricinfo.com/engvaus2009/content/current/story/420254.html).

My opinion is that, if the claim is true, the bookmakers were trying to persuade the player to do crap so England have a better chance of winning.

If my thinking is correct, then I really think the player was either Ponting, Johnson, Hilfenhaus or Siddle. Chances of it being a batsmen is low.

Well there wouldn't be any point in trying to bribe him to play better would there:P This happens all over the world in cricket/sport with illegal bookmakers approaching players. Nothing to do with sport really - all to to do with money and they wouldn't give a rats ass which member in what team they bribed as long as they won their bets. :)

[lBlue]

A detailed story can be found here (http://www.cricinfo.com/engvaus2009/content/current/story/420254.html).

My opinion is that, if the claim is true, the bookmakers were trying to persuade the player to do crap so England have a better chance of winning.

If my thinking is correct, then I really think the player was either Ponting, Johnson, Hilfenhaus or Siddle. Chances of it being a batsmen is low.
Your thinking is wrong. It'll be the same as football. The guy who got approached would of gone OTT, if he listened to the bloke he would probably of wanted him to do things like "Bowl so many wides at a certain time" or ""Bowl the first no ball at a certain time" etc.

Same as football really, "Give the first throw in at such a time" etc.

They do it like that because one player can't throw a whole game, the others might play outstanding. It's safer for the guys at the top to get the guys at the bottom to make playrs do this.

It was on five live the night City played Barnsley.

[Tintinnabulate]

Sorry, which part is wrong?

I was just guessing anyway :) Your thinking sounds correct anyway, would make more sense.

[lBlue]

Sorry, which part is wrong?

I was just guessing anyway :) Your thinking sounds correct anyway, would make more sense.
Not trying to be sarky in my previous post, was just stating how it would most probably of been laid down if the player didn't go OTT.

[Tintinnabulate]

Not trying to be sarky in my previous post, was just stating how it would most probably of been laid down if the player didn't go OTT.

I know you weren't :) I was just wondering what you meant. You are probably right anyway.

[-Heart]

Bell gone for 72 :(.

55.2 overs played, England 181-4. We won the toss and Strauss decided to bat. Looked bad early on when Cook went to make it 12-1, he finished on 10 runs. Strauss was the next to go with 55 runs to his name, making it 114-2. Next to fall was Collingwood (I think) for 24, then Bell for 72. Trotters is in and on 4 not out, Prior partnering him but with no runs yet.

[Tintinnabulate]

Although England are 8 down, 312 isnt that bad of a score. If England can get early wickets then Australia will be in trouble.

[Throne Sofa]

Although England are 8 down, 312 isnt that bad of a score. If England can get early wickets then Australia will be in trouble.
It really is considering the circumstances. It's the middle order letting us down again with the bat.

[-Heart]

England bowled out for 332, Australia are 73-0.

What a pile of dog ****.

[luce]

Au 80-1

[StefanWolves]

89-3, all gone to Broad, what a prospect.

Now come on the rest of the bowlers, try and match Broad, if we do, then we seriously have a chance of winning.

Broads stats;

3 wickets, 8 runs, 16 deliveries (this session, i think) ~ top class.

[StefanWolves]

Yes! Swann! 108-5! England on top! come on the boys!!!!!!!!! :D

[Tintinnabulate]

Just happy Flintoff has no wickets. Probably crying in his head that selfish git.
Poor Australia :( Hope they do better in the 2nd innings.

[StefanWolves]

Just happy Flintoff has no wickets. Probably crying in his head that selfish git.
Poor Australia :( Hope they do better in the 2nd innings.

wow, no praise for england at all?

109-6

Swann again

[Tintinnabulate]

wow, no praise for england at all?

109-6

Swann again

I did in my previous post.

[Geraint]

Aussies falling apart. 111-7

[StefanWolves]

What a spell by Broad, simply awesome............. :D:D

[Tintinnabulate]

Aussies falling apart. 11-7

haha 11-7 is what England were like in the previous test and against West Indies :P

Aussies just need to avoid follow on now.

[StefanWolves]

haha 11-7 is what England were like in the previous test and against West Indies :P

Aussies just need to avoid follow on now.

And what relevance does that have to the Ashes? at all?

And it doesn't really matter about the follow on, it won't be enforced, England will bat next and get a reasonable total on the board for Aus to chase on a dreadful batting pitch.

[luce]

Amazing, they will do well to get much more then 200 now

[StefanWolves]

131-8 - Swann

Come onnnnn :)

[Tarmu]

Yessss 143-9, well done Swann :D
I don't think Australia are going to make the 200 mark now, lol.

[luce]

Yessss 143-9, well done Swann :D
I don't think Australia are going to make the 200 mark now, lol.

even though it wasn't meant to be out but it makes up for the no ball we got out on yesterday :D

[Tarmu]

even though it wasn't meant to be out but it makes up for the no ball we got out on yesterday :D

It does indeed. But in Cricket you are occasionally going to get these amateur Umpires :P. Leah what's your thoughts on the score for England in the second innings?

[Tarmu]

Australia are all out for 160!
172 runs behind England :O

[Technologic]

England are ment like

[Tintinnabulate]

And what relevance does that have to the Ashes? at all?

And it doesn't really matter about the follow on, it won't be enforced, England will bat next and get a reasonable total on the board for Aus to chase on a dreadful batting pitch.

He made a comment and I simply replied :) Has a relevance to Ashes :P And Australia doing terrible.

Its best not to enforce follow on but it can be good too. But they wouldnt have anyway as its better to let them bat on a crapper pitch.

[luce]

let it slip at the end but i still think England will win it today has been good for us but could have been better :)

[StefanWolves]

Lol could have been better? how you work that out.... :P

[Tintinnabulate]

Australia need early wickets tomorrow and can still easily win.

[StefanWolves]

Australia need early wickets tomorrow and can still easily win.


just lol


When England get 150-250 runs on the board, and get a 320-400 lead, it's all but game over for Australia, that pitch is like the Sahara desert. :P

[Tintinnabulate]

Well lead is only 230. If Aussies get quick wickets by repeating the last test match, it's possible.

[Browney]

Lol could have been better? how you work that out.... :P

cheap england wickets at the end. :eusa_wall

[Tintinnabulate]

cheap england wickets at the end. :eusa_wall

Their batting order has been failing alot lately.

[Geraint]

This match is far from over.

[StefanWolves]

It makes no difference, Australia aren't going to be able to chase down anywhere neer 350 on this pitch, the real winner of this match is the wicket, it's bizarre.

[Tintinnabulate]

England havent even got 300, let alone 350. It wouldnt surprise me if England are all out even before achieving a lead of 280.

[Andeeh]

what a sweet display of bowling from broad and swann :)

if anyone can win this test its england

[StefanWolves]

England havent even got 300, let alone 350. It wouldnt surprise me if England are all out even before achieving a lead of 280.

You're right, but 280 on that pitch is a winning total.

[Hecktix]

Come on boys!

Brilliant start to play today!

[StefanWolves]

Really is drifting farer and farer away, if we bat till tea, it's game over.

[Hecktix]

Strauss out :)

Come on boys!!

[StefanWolves]

320 ahead, 6 wickets remaining, if we get 130 runs in the next session (fingers crossed) then have a bowl at them in the evening session and get a couple of wickets, in an ideal world anyway.

And LOL at whoever said 'I can see England collapsing for 50 runs this morning' ~ yea, riteeeeeeeee.

[Hecktix]

320 ahead, 6 wickets remaining, if we get 130 runs in the next session (fingers crossed) then have a bowl at them in the evening session and get a couple of wickets, in an ideal world anyway.

And LOL at whoever said 'I can see England collapsing for 50 runs this morning' ~ yea, riteeeeeeeee.

We dont even need 130 more runs.

They wont make it up on that wicket.

[StefanWolves]

Yeah but this is Australia, I'd rather we got 450 than risk loosing the test. :P

[Hecktix]

Yeah but this is Australia, I'd rather we got 450 than risk loosing the test. :P

We'll need a bit of time to get them out though ;)

I dont mind if it gets to like us only having a 10 run advantage on their 9th wicket as long as we've had enough time to bowl them out.

[StefanWolves]

If we bat until Tea, and then declare or whatever, that's 2 days and 1 session to bowl them out, that's a day more than we should need. :P

[Hecktix]

If we bat until Tea, and then declare or whatever, that's 2 days and 1 session to bowl them out, that's a day more than we should need. :P

Yeah.

Or we could just keep Matt Prior hitting people in the face... wipe them all out!

I reckon he should have got a 6 for smacking Ponting in the mouth.

[StefanWolves]

Yeah.

Or we could just keep Matt Prior hitting people in the face... wipe them all out!

I reckon he should have got a 6 for smacking Ponting in the mouth.

I actually laughed when I saw it, then the crowd laughed at clapped, but to be fair to Ponting, he soon got back up and didn't look to bothered, apart from the blood dripping from his lip! :P

[Hecktix]

I actually laughed when I saw it, then the crowd laughed at clapped, but to be fair to Ponting, he soon got back up and didn't look to bothered, apart from the blood dripping from his lip! :P

Dear Mr Ponting,

I thought i'd let you know how it's going to feel on Monday when we've kicked your sorry backside.

With love,
Matt Prior

[StefanWolves]

Dear Mr Ponting,

I thought i'd let you know how it's going to feel on Monday when we've kicked your sorry backside.

With love,
Matt Prior

I like it! :)

[Technologic]

England are doing rather well. How bizarre.

[Tintinnabulate]

Well I guess the England team really listened hard to Aussies excoach. They know they stood no chance unless they bribed him.

[Hecktix]

Well I guess the England team really listened hard to Aussies excoach. They know they stood no chance unless they bribed him.

You do make me laugh, we say when the Aussie's play well and we play poor, so...

[Kardan]

Am I right in saying that it looks fairly positive that we might win? With Australia needing around 540?

[Tintinnabulate]

You do make me laugh, we say when the Aussie's play well and we play poor, so...

That sentence makes no sense :S

[Catzsy]

Well I guess the England team really listened hard to Aussies excoach. They know they stood no chance unless they bribed him.

Oh gosh I have heard it all now ksoz. ROFL! :D Nice to see them do well against a such a strong team as the Aussies.

[StefanWolves]

Wow ksoz, your running out of bad things to say about England now... lmao.

Give credit where credits due for once.

[Tintinnabulate]

Well they did use the ex-coach? Hence they didnt get beaten 5-0 like last time. The coaches know every secret. Why else pay the excoach unless they were afraid.

Anyway Aussies performance has gone down lately. And I did give credit to England in the first innings :s People only seem to see what they want to see on here.

[Catzsy]

Well they did use the ex-coach? Hence they didnt get beaten 5-0 like last time. The coaches know every secret. Why else pay the excoach unless they were afraid.

Anyway Aussies performance has gone down lately. And I did give credit to England in the first innings :s People only seem to see what they want to see on here.

Well that is a purely subjective comment and you have to understand this is a mainly UK forum so odds on a lot of members are going to support England. It means they are pro england not necessarily anti anything else. I presume they are doing better this time because they are playing better and yes the coach has to have some credit but it's not the be all and end all of the matter. Teams mature and get better as they do go down as time goes on and members retire. It happens to all teams. Being afraid has nothing to do with it - if he is a good coach they will keep him for matches other than australia. I can't comment on the Aussie's performance going down because I don't know enough about the team but I am sure blinger would be able to give some valid comments in this area.

[StefanWolves]

Well that is a purely subjective comment and you have to understand this is a mainly UK forum so odds on a lot of members are going to support England. It means they are pro england not necessarily anti anything else. I presume they are doing better this time because they are playing better and yes the coach has to have some credit but it's not the be all and end all of the matter. Teams mature and get better as they do go down as time goes on and members retire. It happens to all teams. Being afraid has nothing to do with it - if he is a good coach they will keep him for matches other than australia. I can't comment on the Aussie's performance going down because I don't know enough about the team but I am sure blinger would be able to give some valid comments in this area.

It's simple, England prefer to be underdogs, it always brings the best out in us. :)

[Tintinnabulate]

Well that is a purely subjective comment and you have to understand this is a mainly UK forum so odds on a lot of members are going to support England. It means they are pro england not necessarily anti anything else. I presume they are doing better this time because they are playing better and yes the coach has to have some credit but it's not the be all and end all of the matter. Teams mature and get better as they do go down as time goes on and members retire. It happens to all teams. Being afraid has nothing to do with it - if he is a good coach they will keep him for matches other than australia. I can't comment on the Aussie's performance going down because I don't know enough about the team but I am sure blinger would be able to give some valid comments in this area.

You do realise, that when I said "excoach", I meant paying the Australian excoach (the one who was the coach when England got beat 5-0) to tell England all the secrets of the Australian players. I never said members of this forum are "anti-anything".

[StefanWolves]

You do realise, that when I said "excoach", I meant paying the Australian excoach (the one who was the coach when England got beat 5-0) to tell England all the secrets of the Australian players. I never said members of this forum are "anti-anything".

Who cares? no one.

England have taken two early wickets, Swann and Broad are the men that got them yet again. :)

[Catzsy]

You do realise, that when I said "excoach", I meant paying the Australian excoach (the one who was the coach when England got beat 5-0) to tell England all the secrets of the Australian players. I never said members of this forum are "anti-anything".

Well, okay but again even if this is true it players have to play the game
the coach does not play it for them. :)

[Tintinnabulate]

Who cares? no one.

England have taken two early wickets, Swann and Broad are the men that got them yet again. :)

ESPN, and all other cricket teams apart from England ... as it shows how low England can go to try and win a series.


Well, okay but again even if this is true it players have to play the game
the coach does not play it for them. :)

Indeed, but if you find out someones secrets, then that does help a lot, like finding out batsmen's weaknesses. If they didn't pay the excoach, England would not have a clue what will work against the Australian batsmen.

I have said from day 1, its unfair and not how cricket should be played. England ruin crickets name by doing such things, hence they are one of the most disliked countries for cricket. The only reason (and deep down people know its true) the world dislikes Australian cricket team is because they are so damn good.

Anyway good start by them, 2 overs 2 wickets. Would certainly put the Aussies under pressure.

[StefanWolves]

ESPN, and all other cricket teams apart from England ... as it shows how low England can go to try and win a series.


Aww bless, trying your best to take the shine off Englands performance, bless.

And yeah I totally agree with what Catzsy said. :)

Edited by Catzsy [Forum Super Moderator]: Please do not make remarks that could potentially casue an argument - Thanks.

[Tintinnabulate]

102 all out and 50 something all out speaks for itself.

[StefanWolves]

Yeah and no one can deny that, however that was 6 months ago, this is a totally different game, history means nothing, it is what it is, and history stays history.

[Tintinnabulate]

Yeah and no one can deny that, however that was 6 months ago, this is a totally different game, history means nothing, it is what it is, and history stays history.

I think you have got the concept of timing/dates wrong as 102 all out was on 7 August 2009.
And history doesn't matter if it was a completely different team or around 2 years old.

[StefanWolves]

I think you have got the concept of timing/dates wrong as 102 all out was within 1 month.

Well seeing as though you're always going on about how the WI beat us, I thought you were on about when they beat us pretty easily.

And yet again, does that score matter? we are on the verge of winning the series, 1 innings is a small space of time compared to a whole series, the score doesn't lie. :)

Stats mean nothing in this game.

[Hecktix]

I'm gonna be frank.

This thread is about The Ashes 2009.

At the moment England are playing damn well in The Ashes 2009.

End of story.

[Catzsy]

ESPN, and all other cricket teams apart from England ... as it shows how low England can go to try and win a series.



Indeed, but if you find out someones secrets, then that does help a lot, like finding out batsmen's weaknesses. If they didn't pay the excoach, England would not have a clue what will work against the Australian batsmen.

I have said from day 1, its unfair and not how cricket should be played. England ruin crickets name by doing such things, hence they are one of the most disliked countries for cricket. The only reason (and deep down people know its true) the world dislikes Australian cricket team is because they are so damn good.

Anyway good start by them, 2 overs 2 wickets. Would certainly put the Aussies under pressure.

Seriously don't you think that all countries do it? - they study videos of matches and anything that will help them. It's called sport. There is not a scrap of evidence to back up your theories here. As far as I know the world does not hate any cricket team beyond the normal 'sports rivalry'. Personally
I feel you are starting to sound like a broken down record on this subject and please don't post any more 'evidence' from partisan websites. Just enjoy the game of cricket and may the best team win whether it be England or Australia. All countries and sport teams 'hate' the opposition until after the match whether is be football, rugby or cricket.

[StefanWolves]

Seriously don't you think that all countries do it? - they study videos of matches and anything that will help them. It's called sport. There is not a scrap of evidence to back up your theories here. As far as I know the world does not hate any cricket team beyond the normal 'sports rivalry'. Personally
I feel you are starting to sound like a broken down record on this subject and please don't post any more 'evidence' from partisan websites. Just enjoy the game of cricket and may the best team win whether it be England or Australia. All countries and sport teams 'hate' the opposition until after the match whether is be football, rugby or cricket.


I'm gonna be frank.

This thread is about The Ashes 2009.

At the moment England are playing damn well in The Ashes 2009.

End of story.

I think that says it all.

Anyway, England need a couple more wickets I feel in this morning session, I think we should bring Collingwood on, the off-cutters that Broad were just bowling were ripping the pitch apart, bring Collingwood on as that is what he does.

[Tintinnabulate]

I'm gonna be frank.

This thread is about The Ashes 2009.

At the moment England are playing damn well in The Ashes 2009.

End of story.
hence I mentioned 102 all out ...

And yes they study videos, which is pretty obvious :S, but they still don't know every secret.

[Hecktix]

Australia were 160-all out the other day :/

You clearly just can't admit when England are doing well.

[StefanWolves]

Australia were 160-all out the other day :/

You clearly just can't admit when England are doing well.

That's the point i'm trying to get across, but he doesn't listen. :P

[Tintinnabulate]

Australia were 160-all out the other day :/

You clearly just can't admit when England are doing well.

Did you not read my post where at the end of innings 1, I said England did well? And I just said England have done well to get two wickets?

Again proves my point where I said you guys only see what you want to see. You obviously expect me to compliment England in every post I make.

[StefanWolves]

Ponting ran out! and guess who by? Mr. Flintoff. Oh how we love you.

217-3 ~ come on England! finish em off.

EDIT: ANOTHER RUN OUT. MICHAEL CLARKE GONE FOR 0.

[ecstasy]

236-5 :)

[Catzsy]

Did you not read my post where at the end of innings 1, I said England did well? And I just said England have done well to get two wickets?

Again proves my point where I said you guys only see what you want to see. You obviously expect me to compliment England in every post I make.

No we don't. It is just the continual negative assumptions about the England team which have no actual basis in fact and always seem like most unsportsmanlike for a cricket fan. Victory for them now seems likely but one never knows.

[Tintinnabulate]

On my. Those are are stupid. :\ why take the risk of a run out in a test match when you are doing so well :S.

[Andeeh]

Super super fred, super super fred, super super fred, super freddie flintoff (8)

did anyone see will beer with shane warne at lunch interval? true sussex breed

come on England 5 more wickets easy peasy :)

[Andeeh]

9 down harmy on hatrick ASHES IS OURS

[Tarmu]

Australia 343-9!
Come on England 1 more wicket!

[Geraint]

England have won the Ashes.

[Tarmu]

AUSTRALIA ALL OUT FOR 348
Yess, England have won The Ashes!

[Andeeh]

YESSS ENGLAND ARE 2009 NPOWER ASHES WINNERS :)

Well played from all of our players

Thank You Flintoff

[Hecktix]

WOOOP WOOOP!

I predicted 2-1 to England in the first page of this thread and I'm pretty proud of them tbh.

Strauss got England man of the series - very well deserved in my opinion. We've had some very low points this summer and Andrew pulled us together, even if he did do it on his own like at Edgebaston?? when he got 161 runs :P

Michael Clark got Austalia man of the series for "his batting" as the chairman of england team said :rolleyes:

I think on the whole England did deserve to win more than Australia :)

[Technologic]

Australia put up a brilliant fight today and they played very well throughout most of the series but alas, the best team always wins.

[Rock]

Brilliant result! Well done England!

[Tintinnabulate]

I think Australias stupity of run outs cost them the game. They have been too defensive this series which isnt good.

Well done to England, however Strauss comment on England possibly being the best team in the world soon is a bit unlikely any time soon. I think the current best is South Africa, followed by India then Australia, New Zealand, England, West Indies, Pakistan, Bangladesh.

Cant wait till the ICC Championship 2009 next month.

The Ashes trophy was much much smaller than I expected.

Anyway, I honestly think I would have more respect for the English team if they didn't use Australia's ex-coach.

[Geraint]

I think Australias stupity of run outs cost them the game. They have been too defensive this series which isnt good.

Well done to England, however Strauss comment on England possibly being the best team in the world soon is a bit unlikely any time soon. I think the current best is South Africa, followed by India then Australia, New Zealand, England, West Indies, Pakistan, Bangladesh.

Cant wait till the ICC Championship 2009 next month.

The Ashes trophy was much much smaller than I expected.

Anyway, I honestly think I would have more respect for the English team if they didn't use Australia's ex-coach.

I don't get why a team would have two run-outs in the final innings of a test they can't lost. They just needed to stay there and not run. The runs would come down bit by bit. The game wasn't going to finish a draw because if Australia had batted for 2 days they would have reached the target. Stupid why Australia had 2 run-outs. If you have any doubt that you can't make it, don't run because you don't need to.

[Tintinnabulate]

I don't get why a team would have two run-outs in the final innings of a test they can't lost. They just needed to stay there and not run. The runs would come down bit by bit. The game wasn't going to finish a draw because if Australia had batted for 2 days they would have reached the target. Stupid why Australia had 2 run-outs. If you have any doubt that you can't make it, don't run because you don't need to.

Exactly. In test matches they should never take the risk of run outs, especially when they cannot afford to lose wickets.

[StefanWolves]

Well done England! well deserved win. Strauss, Swann, and Broad are the way forward, along with KP obviously.

May I suggest to MODs, to keep this thread stickied, to make it the Ashes TOUR, which would extend it so it covered the ODIs and T20s? :)

[Hecktix]

Well done England! well deserved win. Strauss, Swann, and Broad are the way forward, along with KP obviously.

May I suggest to MODs, to keep this thread stickied, to make it the Ashes TOUR, which would extend it so it covered the ODIs and T20s? :)

Noted :)

[Blinger1]

**** aussies suck. why couldnt it rain for once when england was winning?

[StefanWolves]

**** aussies suck. why couldnt it rain for once when england was winning?

too bad, it's raining today at the Oval, which makes it even more sweeter.

[Tintinnabulate]

Overall Australia have been better, but when they have been bad, they have been so bad that its cost them the match.

I think, looking at the teams, Australia stand a much better chance in the ODI's. Then again, both the teams haven't been doing that great lately in ODI's anyway.

[Catzsy]

Well done England! well deserved win. Strauss, Swann, and Broad are the way forward, along with KP obviously.

May I suggest to MODs, to keep this thread stickied, to make it the Ashes TOUR, which would extend it so it covered the ODIs and T20s? :)

When does that start? Well done England on winning the Ashes. Nice to see a new cap do so well. :)
@blinger - there is always another day and I am sure they will be back to their winning ways.

[Blinger1]

Australia was def the better team out of the two. Even if we did lose. Look at the statistics, i just hope we kick your arse in the ODI so TheWolf isn't so cocky.

[luce]

Australia was def the better team out of the two. Even if we did lose. Look at the statistics, i just hope we kick your arse in the ODI so TheWolf isn't so cocky.

Au only won when England had a bad day? When we blowed or batted well we were on top. On paper AU may be better. We'll see how your OD team is

[Blinger1]

Au only won when England had a bad day?
Oh really? We would have won if the weather didn't screw us over..


When we blowed or batted well we were on top.?
Really, you weren't. Statistics don't lie.. (http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/cricket/seriesstats.aspx?seriesid=2333&matchid=4&comment=true&livematch=true)

Look at the statistics (the top 3) the only one where England is on top was the batting and that wasn't even impressive.

[StefanWolves]

Australia was def the better team out of the two. Even if we did lose. Look at the statistics, i just hope we kick your arse in the ODI so TheWolf isn't so cocky.

HAHAHA, stats mean nothing, even your captain said we deserved to win, and your whole team admitted the best team won. :8 :eusa_danc an lol, i'm cocky, all Australians are cocky, the AU Media were even writing England off, because they thought AU were back to 'Business as usual' ~ we showed them alrite. :)

@Catzsy, it starts next Sunday. :)

lol blinger, still trying to get your argument across when it's wrong, who's the team with the ashes? oh england yea.

[Andeeh]

One of the main things that has won it for England was that first test down at Cardiff. The grit and determination from Colly shed light towards Jimmy and Monty and thus them blocking out those final 11 overs.

England had 2 or 3 good spells with the ball from Flintoff 5WI at Lords and Broads 5WI at the oval which has effectively won us back the ashes.

It has been a great series but lets not get carried away, we need to improve on this unlike 2005. SA coming up and if we win that then we can build on to bigger and better things.

18 months time England will be ready, mark my words.

Edit: i forgot to mention, Well done to the Australia team, gracious in defeat which is a good thing. It will be a shame if Ricky Ponting doesnt come back to England for another Ashes series as the battles have always been intriguing.

So thank you australia for such a good series.

also Good luck for Flintoff with his operation tonight

[Tintinnabulate]

Australia are much better in ODIs as they can form long partnerships and make runs quickly, which is very important in ODI's. England struggle to get quick wickets, and that will let them down in the ODI's. This England side is just an average side (as agreed by Sky News).

Edit: Just read England got a open-top bus parade when they won the Ashes in 2005. Isn't that a bit over the top :S Its just a normal series, but just hyped up? I guess it was important for them as they rarely win any series.

[StefanWolves]

Australia are much better in ODIs as they can form long partnerships and make runs quickly, which is very important in ODI's. England struggle to get quick wickets, and that will let them down in the ODI's. This England side is just an average side (as agreed by Sky News).

Edit: Just read England got a open-top bus parade when they won the Ashes in 2005. Isn't that a bit over the top :S Its just a normal series, but just hyped up? I guess it was important for them as they rarely win any series.

Ah, gotta love ya, I love how you exaggerate your views, and try to back them up with 'evidence' that you cannot and do not provide, I've had SkySports NEWS (practically the same as SkyNews) on for a couple of hours, and all they have been saying is that England are a GOOD team with the potential to be the best.

And lol, over-hyped series? I've heard it all, can tell you're not English/Australian, as if you were you wouldn't say that at all.

And lol, hardly win any series at all? yeah... that's why we are now 5th in the world, just behind Australia in 4th? and then Crapindia in 3rd. (I think, or 2nd.)

[Browney]

Australia are much better in ODIs as they can form long partnerships and make runs quickly, which is very important in ODI's. England struggle to get quick wickets, and that will let them down in the ODI's. This England side is just an average side (as agreed by Sky News).

Edit: Just read England got a open-top bus parade when they won the Ashes in 2005. Isn't that a bit over the top :S Its just a normal series, but just hyped up? I guess it was important for them as they rarely win any series.

You're a funny boy. One breath your saying Stefan is cocky, the next your totally baiting him. Was that last sentence really needed? I suppose he shouldn't bite but yeah.


Ah, gotta love ya, I love how you exaggerate your views, and try to back them up with 'evidence' that you cannot and do not provide, I've had SkySports NEWS (practically the same as SkyNews) on for a couple of hours, and all they have been saying is that England are a GOOD team with the potential to be the best.

And lol, over-hyped series? I've heard it all, can tell you're not English/Australian, as if you were you wouldn't say that at all.

To be fair, SSN are a UK news channel. Everyone's subject to some bias.

But yeah, you're right, if Ksoz knew the history between the two countries, nevermind teams, he'd understand the series gets everything it deserves. Besides, the open top bus was 2005, when we won it for the first time in like 20 years. Now it's just regular occurence. :eusa_danc

[StefanWolves]

You're a funny boy. One breath your saying Stefan is cocky, the next your totally baiting him. Was that last sentence really needed? I suppose he shouldn't bite but yeah.



To be fair, SSN are a UK news channel. Everyone's subject to some bias.

But yeah, you're right, if Ksoz knew the history between the two countries, nevermind teams, he'd understand the series gets everything it deserves. Besides, the open top bus was 2005, when we won it for the first time in like 20 years. Now it's just regular occurence. :eusa_danc

At last, someone see's it from my point of view.

Sticking up for me! ily baby x!!!11

[luce]

Blinger Au should have the skill to beat us in the tests where the weather didn't alter play?

SSN today there had people from Au on saying "The best team won"

Edit: didn't look at other pages lol should have quoted..

[Tintinnabulate]

Australia will win the ODI's :)
And they said "The current England team are average but they still won." in the morning ...

And yeah India are crap (roll) hence they have won their last 5 series and white washed England and are the second best in the world.

[StefanWolves]

Australia will win the ODI's :)
And they said "The current England team are average but they still won." in the morning ...

And yeah India are crap (roll) hence they have won their last 5 series and white washed England and are the second best in the world.

COUGH T20 WORLD CUP**

[Immenseman]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, winners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

W00000000000t

[Tintinnabulate]

COUGH T20 WORLD CUP**

Thats not a series and hence I said ODIs and Tests ...

[Geraint]

awwww poor ksoz just saw the team he hates win the ashes so is moaning. awwwww. :'(

[StefanWolves]

awwww poor ksoz just saw the team he hates win the ashes so is moaning. awwwww. :'(

great isn't it

i know ksoz, but what makes it sweeter was that you were the best in the world at T20s, we beat you, AUS were the best at test matches, we beat them.

i feel good, duh dum dum dum dum dum.

[Tintinnabulate]

awwww poor ksoz just saw the team he hates win the ashes so is moaning. awwwww. :'(

Haha indeed :D :( I really wanted England to lose. I even want the mto lose against Pakistan!

[Immenseman]

wicked win

#1 soon x

[Tintinnabulate]

great isn't it

i know ksoz, but what makes it sweeter was that you were the best in the world at T20s, we beat you, AUS were the best at test matches, we beat them.

i feel good, duh dum dum dum dum dum.

We weren't the best in the world? Winning the world cup doesnt make you best in the world ... everyone knows that.

And we beat you twice before? woop woop?

[StefanWolves]

We weren't the best in the world? Winning the world cup doesnt make you best in the world ... everyone knows that.

And we beat you twice before? woop woop?

if you're t20 world champions it kinda means that you are the best team at t20, EVERYONE NOSE DAT!!!!!!!!!

[Tintinnabulate]

if you're t20 world champions it kinda means that you are the best team at t20, EVERYONE NOSE DAT!!!!!!!!!

:rolleyes: Even if it did mean that, doesnt mean you should win every game ...

[StefanWolves]

:rolleyes: Even if it did mean that, doesnt mean you should win every game ...

did i say dat dow no i dai

r said you were da best at t20, and we beat u.

[Blinger1]

did i say dat dow no i dai

r said you were da best at t20, and we beat u.
whoop de do, england won one T20 game :O!!!!!!!!!!!!! CALL IN THE MEDIA QUICK HOLY CRAP.

Post edited by iAdam (Forum Moderator); Please do not post to cause arguments.

[Tintinnabulate]

whoop de do, england won one T20 game :O!!!!!!!!!!!!! CALL IN THE MEDIA QUICK HOLY CRAP.

rofl!!!! they won one series FINALLY. need a parade tbh.

[Blinger1]

they do, they have only had it twice for the last 20 years :'(

edit: here is the parade!!
*could be offensive?*
parade
(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/02/02/mardigras_narrowweb__300x460,0.jpg)

[StefanWolves]

whoop de do, england won one T20 game :O!!!!!!!!!!!!! CALL IN THE MEDIA QUICK HOLY CRAP.

do you realize how silly you look sayin that

ahh the ashes are ours, lovely.

night ladies xx

[Blinger1]

Dont sleep too long, you must get ready for your parade:

http://www.insidemardigras.com/images/2008/2008MardiGrasCalendarNov1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/MGD08ToastPurpleGreenGoldDrums.jpg
and the person on the left looks like a british person too!

[Tintinnabulate]

England dont stand a chance of winning the ODI's. England arent great are forming partnerships who can get alot of runs very quickly, apart from Collingwood.

This is why they have no money for a parade this year ...

England Team Meeting before the Ashes: Hello team and Flintoff, oh and Broad, we haven't won a series in ages. How can we win this?
Collingwood: We could get rid of our crap players and actually try and be good? And not be cocky ...
A different player: OR we could pay the Australian ex-coach to tell us their secrets
Team: That's an excellent idea! That's probably our best chance, by paying to get their secrets.
Management: We have £xxx,xxx money. If we pay him all of that we wont have any money left to drink non stop :( and have a parade and coming in to the ODIs drunk!
Flintoff: I cant go into the match drunk? :( Man that sucks.

[Browney]

Since 2005, Flintoff has had 2 more sons born and he is 4 years older, hes now a 31 year old man, not a mid 20's lad. He's said himself, hes older, and supposedly wiser.

[Tintinnabulate]

People like Flintoff never change.

[StefanWolves]

People like Flintoff never change.

lol people like you never change with your persistent negative comments.

and mods, are you gonna change it to the Ashes tour or whattt? :P

[Catzsy]

England dont stand a chance of winning the ODI's. England arent great are forming partnerships who can get alot of runs very quickly, apart from Collingwood.

This is why they have no money for a parade this year ...

England Team Meeting before the Ashes: Hello team and Flintoff, oh and Broad, we haven't won a series in ages. How can we win this?
Collingwood: We could get rid of our crap players and actually try and be good? And not be cocky ...
A different player: OR we could pay the Australian ex-coach to tell us their secrets
Team: That's an excellent idea! That's probably our best chance, by paying to get their secrets.
Management: We have £xxx,xxx money. If we pay him all of that we wont have any money left to drink non stop :( and have a parade and coming in to the ODIs drunk!
Flintoff: I cant go into the match drunk? :( Man that sucks.

Nice bit of romanticised regurgitated fiction again, I see. :P
Good luck to both teams with the one day matches. I am not going to bet against the Aussie here. They will be fired up after the Ashes defeat.

[Immenseman]

we are the championssssssss (8)

[Tintinnabulate]

we are the championssssssss (8)

Winning a series doesn't make you champions :)

[StefanWolves]

It does cause were the champions of the ashes. dur.

[Tintinnabulate]

A series with a name.

[Geraint]

Winning a series doesn't make you champions :)

losing in the final doesn't either. ;)

[Tintinnabulate]

losing in the final doesn't either. ;)

Never said Australia are the champions :)
South Africa are the best team in the world.

[StefanWolves]

Never said Australia are the champions :)
South Africa are the best team in the world.

:eusa_clap:eusa_clap:eusa_clap:eusa_clap

India are third, joint second though.

[Tintinnabulate]

:eusa_clap:eusa_clap:eusa_clap:eusa_clap

India are third, joint second though.

Never said India is the best :) Like I said, you guys only seem to see what you want to see.

[StefanWolves]

Never said India is the best :) Like I said, you guys only seem to see what you want to see.

Where have I said that you said India were the best? I think you're the one who is only reading what he wants to read.

[Catzsy]

Never said India is the best :) Like I said, you guys only seem to see what you want to see.


Where have I said that you said India were the best? I think you're the one who is only reading what he wants to read.

Agree with TheWolf here - I can't find anywhere that he has said Ksoz said that India were the best so lets look forward to the one dayers.

[Tintinnabulate]

Agree with TheWolf here - I can't find anywhere that he has said Ksoz said that India were the best so lets look forward to the one dayers.

When you quote someone and say something like what he said, I think its pretty obvious what he meant? Its common sense ... :S

Anyway rofl!! England are 6/2 against Ireland. England are back to their quality form ... which is that they are crap :)

[Tintinnabulate]

..and its started raining I'm afraid. Umpires are having a chat and it looks like they're going to come off. Hopefully this will be a short shower and not the start of the heavier rain that is forecast for late this afternoon..

Always rains when England are doing crap. No wonder it always rains here.

[Browney]

No one bite, hes fishing for the reaction. Let him be. There has to be people who are wrong, to make the smart people feel special. :eusa_danc

[StefanWolves]

Always rains when England are doing crap. No wonder it always rains here.

Great isn't it? it's like an extra man! too bad it never rains in India, then they would be the best. :(

-cough- T20 World cup -cough-

[Catzsy]

When you quote someone and say something like what he said, I think its pretty obvious what he meant? Its common sense ... :S

Anyway rofl!! England are 6/2 against Ireland. England are back to their quality form ... which is that they are crap :)

No it isn't - you assume a lot :S How can any team who have just beaten Australia be 'crap' - fgs. I am not surprised others get upset because you have an inflexible extremely negative attitude when it comes to the English Cricket team - its like you have concrete boots on. Give credit where it's due and make less sweeping negative statements about one subject and I am sure your comments will be welcomed by everyone.

England 203/9 (50 ov)

Ireland 7/0 (1.1/20 ov)
at this moment.

[Andeeh]

No it isn't - you assume a lot :S How can any team who have just beaten Australia be 'crap' - fgs. I am not surprised others get upset because you have an inflexible extremely negative attitude when it comes to the English Cricket team - its like you have concrete boots on. Give credit where it's due and make less sweeping negative statements about one subject and I am sure your comments will be welcomed by everyone.

England 203/9 (50 ov)

Ireland 7/0 (1.1/20 ov)
at this moment.
we only just beat ireland today, terrific bowling but Denly the only man to make a signifcant score (Luke Wright also did a nice little contribution) is quite scary considering Ireland are a micky mouse team.


Terrific bowling from England though by Shah and Bresnan.

We need to shape up significantly if we want to beat Australia in the ODI series.

[Tintinnabulate]

No it isn't - you assume a lot :S How can any team who have just beaten Australia be 'crap' - fgs. I am not surprised others get upset because you have an inflexible extremely negative attitude when it comes to the English Cricket team - its like you have concrete boots on. Give credit where it's due and make less sweeping negative statements about one subject and I am sure your comments will be welcomed by everyone.

England 203/9 (50 ov)

Ireland 7/0 (1.1/20 ov)
at this moment.

Thanks for proving my point of you guys only seeing what you want to see, because as I have said it about 8 times now, I HAVE GIVEN CREDIT TO ENGLAND. Oh my, you guys never read do you?

Besides Catzsy, beating Australia isnt like WOW as it used to be, they aren't as good as they used to be. Any team who beats South Africa deserves respect.

I like how TheWolf only takes about one thing - T20 World Cup as India lost 2 games there. You guys didnt even win it or qualify rofl :S On the otherhand, we have won one and have hit you for 6 6's, now that's something to boast about. THANK YOU FLINTOF FOR BEING AN IDIOT AND WINDING UP THE SINGH!
I am not surprised others get upset because you have an inflexible extremely negative attitude when it comes to the Indian and Australian Cricket team - its like you have concrete boots on. Give credit where it's due and make less sweeping negative statements about one subject and I am sure your comments will be welcomed by everyone.

Anyway damn the rain and Ireland requiring a higher run rate than England to win :\ or they would have won.
You just about beat Ireland, and you guys think you can beat Australia? Keep dreaming.

[Blinger1]

No it isn't - you assume a lot :S How can any team who have just beaten Australia be 'crap' - fgs.
Because Australia has had a bad series :S

And we are starting from scratch imo. we have lost our best players like Haydon, Gilchrist, Warne, McGrath, Langer... Its a baby team.

[Tintinnabulate]

Yeppp and England just about won the series. Anyway read the bold bit on my above post :)

[Blinger1]

Oh yes, also because England are top **** atm, just look at the current ICC standings.. (these are from 1st to 4th)

ODI: South Africa, India, Australia, England.
Test: South Africa, Sri Lanka, India, Australia (and then England).

Winning one series does not instantly make you top ****.. sorry British citizens.

[Tintinnabulate]

India had to win around 5 series in a row to go from third to second, not one series. Its not easy. We beat Australia too, don't see us boasting? Australia trashed you 5-0 last time ...

So England will have to do amazingly well over the next few series to get better rankings.

[Blinger1]

Australia trashed you 5-0 last time ...
dat woz difernt m8 klearlee!111

Everytime I have brought this argument up its the same response, "it woz an unfair seriez" so maybe the same argument can be used for us?

[Tintinnabulate]

dat woz difernt m8 klearlee!111

Everytime I have brought this argument up its the same response, "it woz an unfair seriez" so maybe the same argument can be used for us?

unfair?!?! wth why :S was it because it was in Australia :rolleyes: I heard Australians told the pitch to work in their favor. MATCH FIXING!!!

[Blinger1]

yes and we bribed the weather to stay sunny!!!

Wait, isn't it normal for the sun to shine in summer!?

[Tintinnabulate]

yes and we bribed the weather to stay sunny!!!

Wait, isn't it normal for the sun to shine in summer!?

Not here :( Always rains, well in Manchester anyway :@ I am actually wondering if I should go watch the T20 on Sunday, but it says its going to be heavy rain :| Might go to the ODI one instead on 20th September.

[Blinger1]

Trust England to rain in the summer that's why I love the adds we had about their cricket team. They are crap because they can't train thanks to the rain!!

[Tintinnabulate]

hahahah thats quite funny.

[StefanWolves]

Trust England to rain in the summer that's why I love the adds we had about their cricket team. They are crap because they can't train thanks to the rain!!

hahah hilarious, seeing as though we beat you... 2-1, hilarious, just proof, cocky Aussies always get their ass bitten.

[Blinger1]

And new Zealand was because there are too many sheep and everywhere is on a hill... that seems about right too!!

[Tintinnabulate]

hahah hilarious, seeing as though we beat you... 2-1, hilarious, just proof, cocky Aussies always get their ass bitten.

Australia would have won the the first test if it wasn't for the rain, meaning you wouldn't have got the Ashes. Point proven.

[Bun]

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[iAdam]

Guys, come on now, it's been long enough, stop arguing for god sake.

[StefanWolves]

Australia would have won the the first test if it wasn't for the rain, meaning you wouldn't have got the Ashes. Point proven.

Again, you're talking about things that never happened, which you always seem to do.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01468/andrew-strauss_1468314c.jpg

point proven.

For even more proof, see my sig.

We love you Flintoffff we dooo.