The Ashes Tour, 2009.

[Andeeh]

So with the announcement of the initial 13 man squad of England for the first test in cardiff of:

Strauss
Cook
Bopara
Pietersen
Collingwood
Prior
Flintoff
Broad
Swann
Anderson

and in the hunt for the final place is
Bell
Onions
Panesar.

For me i would go with Onions as even the Swalec stadium just spins i reckon the extra seemer would be the better option.

Who do you reckon is going to win the ashes and the scoreline?

For me im going to say 3 - 1 to England

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[Geraint]

Why Harmison hasn't been included is a mystery. I know the pitch might be spin-friendly but he tore through their team for the Lions.

[leah]

I hope England can do it, but the Australians are always a strong side.

[Hecktix]

I'm really looking forward to the ashes, I think it will be a hard competition, difficult to call the scoreline but I think England will win.

[Andeeh]

great news with lee out. i was worried about him and his reverse swing. would you play 2 spinners in first test or go for extra seemer?

[Geraint]

great news with lee out. i was worried about him and his reverse swing. would you play 2 spinners in first test or go for extra seemer?

Cardiff is a spin-friendly pitch which also baffles me why Glamorgan play one spinner, but anyway. Gotta go for the two spinners. Surprised to see that Adil Rashid isn't one of the spinners and, as I said, Steve Harmison should be there. They'll bring in Hilfenhaus to replace Lee.

[Andeeh]

yea i think it would be a risky but right bet to go with two spinners. i think that rashid is too young as he is only 20 years of age and i think he should develop his action with mushyy and then he might be featured in several years. I agree with harmisson 6 wickets in warm up game. he was destructive but i do feel he may play at lords where the pitch is more bouncy perfect to knock the heads off the aussies

[Janczyk]

Why Harmison hasn't been included is a mystery. I know the pitch might be spin-friendly but he tore through their team for the Lions.

I would never, ever include him in an England squad ever again. Why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7Y6T44tzIc

3rd slip.

[Geraint]

I would never, ever include him in an England squad ever again. Why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7Y6T44tzIc

3rd slip.

Flintoff said he feared when he faced Harmison when Lancashire played Durham. Harmison did well against Australia for the England Lions and that would make some of the batsmen rather scared. I was watching SSN earlier and they were talking to an Aussie news guy and he said he and most of Australia were happy to see Harmison not included as they feared him.

[LuketheDuke]

I hope England win but Australia still have a good team.

Players who I expect to step up to the challenge are Bopara and KP especially on the batting front.

I hope Onions is also selected as his performance against the Windies suggested he's got a solid bowling game. Dont know if hes a spin bowler though?

[Steprelk]

I would never, ever include him in an England squad ever again. Why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7Y6T44tzIc

3rd slip.
So you wouldn't play one of our best fast bowlers because of one ball 3 years ago?
Jesus christ :rolleyes:

[Andeeh]

you cant really take onions out as he has been on fire for notts this season but i would definately give harmisson a chance at lords as i said earlier the pitch is seemer friendly

[Tintinnabulate]

Quite unfair that England are using Australia's ex-coach to help them ...
Have they decided that they cannot win without using him?

I really do hope England lose, because then it will be even more embarassing for them. They should play cricket fairly.

Although by looking at Australia's recent performances, they arent the same team anymore and could lose.

[Janczyk]

So you wouldn't play one of our best fast bowlers because of one ball 3 years ago?
Jesus christ :rolleyes:
Obviously one of our best bowlers, yes. I mean, that video just proves it.

It was a joke, by the way. But no, I wouldn't play him. I'd rather play Rashid.

2 years ago, by the way.

[Steprelk]

Obviously one of our best bowlers, yes. I mean, that video just proves it.

It was a joke, by the way. But no, I wouldn't play him. I'd rather play Rashid.

2 years ago, by the way.
That happened in 2006.

Rashid is young and has no experience whatsoever. Harmison has a lot of experience and took a load of wickets against the Australians last week.

[Janczyk]

That happened in 2006.

Rashid is young and has no experience whatsoever. Harmison has a lot of experience and took a load of wickets against the Australians last week.
WG Grace is experienced.

[Geraint]

Quite unfair that England are using Australia's ex-coach to help them ...
Have they decided that they cannot win without using him?

I really do hope England lose, because then it will be even more embarassing for them. They should play cricket fairly.

Although by looking at Australia's recent performances, they arent the same team anymore and could lose.

Sunderland now have Wigan's manager. How unfair. Cheating. Throw them out of the league. :@


WG Grace is experienced.

He is also dead.

[Smiddy]

Why Harmison hasn't been included is a mystery. I know the pitch might be spin-friendly but he tore through their team for the Lions.
You think about it, they're trying to develop Stuart Broad into a high-paced bouncing seamer, him and Harmison would be doing the same sort of bowling during the match; heaven forbid we give them another Bodyline series!

Cardiff is a spin-friendly pitch which also baffles me why Glamorgan play one spinner, but anyway. Gotta go for the two spinners. Surprised to see that Adil Rashid isn't one of the spinners and, as I said, Steve Harmison should be there. They'll bring in Hilfenhaus to replace Lee.
I thought Glamorgan always played Dalrymple, Cosker and Croft; 3 spinners?

Plus they'll bring in Siddle for Lee, I reckon.

[Andeeh]

just re-living 2005 on sky sports 1 :)

not long to go now, and i think england will go with the extra spinner

[Smiddy]

I think it'll be the military medium of Colly and Bopara that'll get the Aussies in a pickle in this first test :)

[Geraint]

You think about it, they're trying to develop Stuart Broad into a high-paced bouncing seamer, him and Harmison would be doing the same sort of bowling during the match; heaven forbid we give them another Bodyline series!

I thought Glamorgan always played Dalrymple, Cosker and Croft; 3 spinners?

Plus they'll bring in Siddle for Lee, I reckon.

Don't rate Broad myself. I'd have Harmison for experience.


Ah, maybe they do. Don't take too much notice. They never take wickets. Croft gets dropped a bit aswell.

[Smiddy]

Don't rate Broad myself. I'd have Harmison for experience.


Ah, maybe they do. Don't take too much notice. They never take wickets. Croft gets dropped a bit aswell.
Although I do prefer Broad, I wasn't saying Broad should be in instead of Harmy haha, just saying it from their perspective!

Yeah Glamorgan are still rubbish. And I'm not surprised! He is nearing 40!

[Blinger1]

i notice that everybody is skipping the 2007 ashes.. wonder why... hmm!

[Geraint]

i notice that everybody is skipping the 2007 ashes.. wonder why... hmm!

because this series is in england so therefore you refer to the last one in england. :rolleyes:

adam referred to harmison's first ball anyway in 2007.


england have won the toss and chosen to bat.

England: strauss, cook, bopara, pietersen, collingwood, prior, flintoff, broad, swann, anderson, panesar

Australia: hughes, katich, ponting, hussey, clarke, north, haddin, johnson, hauritz, hilfenhaus, siddle

[Tintinnabulate]

My hatred towards KP, Flintoff and Broad is forcing me to support Australia. Get rid of them 3 and England for the win :)

I think England could win though as I have said before, new Australian side arent that great any more.

[Geraint]

currently 21-1.

cook gone.

[Blinger1]

a true english start .

[Geraint]

67-2.

strauss gone.

[Hecktix]

Lunch 90-3

Bopara caught out.

[Andeeh]

wow england we havent had a great start.

the australians have been well prepared about targeting our batsmens weak spots.

we need a partnership between either KP, colly, prior or flintoff just something

[Immenseman]

not a great start. still confident though.

[Smiddy]

i notice that everybody is skipping the 2007 ashes.. wonder why... hmm!
Because that was a boring series with nowhere near as much intensity as the 2005 series? Nothing to do with the result!

151 - 3, Hauritz is bowling. KP & Colly starting to get more confident against him.

[Steprelk]

because this series is in england so therefore you refer to the last one in england. :rolleyes:

adam referred to harmison's first ball anyway in 2007.


england have won the toss and chosen to bat.

England: strauss, cook, bopara, pietersen, collingwood, prior, flintoff, broad, swann, anderson, panesar

Australia: hughes, katich, ponting, hussey, clarke, north, haddin, johnson, hauritz, hilfenhaus, siddle
Harminson bowled that ball in 2006.

[Andeeh]

eugh losing KP and colly so early in evening session its a shame. what was kp thinking?

anyway prior and flintoff need to stay until close of play, new ball in 6 overs

[Andeeh]

sorry for double post but did anyone hear bumble go 'i feel like a twitter' im still in hysterics :) and if you do want to check it out http://twitter.com/bumblecricket :)

also dropped catch

[Smiddy]

249 - 1. That's just annoying. They put themselves in a great position and ruin it with the bowling. Where's my medium pacers!

[Hecktix]

249 - 1. That's just annoying. They put themselves in a great position and ruin it with the bowling. Where's my medium pacers!

The bowling was appalling.
However the aussie batting wasnt AMAZING...

[Andeeh]

as nasser said we dont want to get to day 5 and we are batting. we need to break the partnership earlier tomorrow and hope the last lot of wickets go for 100 runs, that would be the ideal scenario but no chance.

Come on england

[-Heart]

Someone clear this up for me because I only really understand T20 cricket.

How long does each test last? Shouldn't it just be 1 innings each and whoever get's the most runs wins? How does it work and why is their 5 days ect.?

+Rep for good answers thanks.

[Geraint]

Someone clear this up for me because I only really understand T20 cricket.

How long does each test last? Shouldn't it just be 1 innings each and whoever get's the most runs wins? How does it work and why is their 5 days ect.?

+Rep for good answers thanks.

2 innings for each team. Most runs at the end of the two wins. It makes it more interesting with 2 innings. You have to calculate the amount of runs you score because you don't want to hit 700 then be unable to win the match because you don't have enough time to bowl the other team out. You can make people follow-on aswell if people are 199 or more runs behind your team's total (149 in county cricket). It's 5 days just to give team's enough time.

[Hecktix]

Someone clear this up for me because I only really understand T20 cricket.

How long does each test last? Shouldn't it just be 1 innings each and whoever get's the most runs wins? How does it work and why is their 5 days ect.?

+Rep for good answers thanks.

4 innings over 5 days, 2 innings for each team, 11 players on a team innings last until all the team are out (in most circumstances), team with the highest aggregate total win.


Test cricket is played between two teams of 11 players over a period of up to a maximum five days (though finishing earlier if a result is reached before the maximum time). On each day there are usually three two-hour sessions, with a forty minute break for "lunch" and a twenty minute break for "tea". For example, in England, common times of play are as follows:


First session: 11am – 1 pm
Second session: 1:40 pm – 3:40 pm
Third session: 4 pm – 6 pm

In addition, short breaks (5 minutes) may be taken during each session for "drinks", commonly after an hour of play. A 10 minute interval is also taken between changes of innings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innings_%28cricket%29).
The times of sessions and intervals may be altered in certain circumstances, for example:


If bad weather or a change of innings occurs close to a scheduled break, the break may be taken immediately;
If there has been a loss of playing time, for example due to bad weather, the session times may be adjusted to make up for the lost time;
If the batting side is nine wickets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_%28cricket%29) down, the tea break is delayed 30 minutes (or until the team is dismissed, if this occurs earlier);
The final session may be extended if a prescribed minimum number of overs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over_%28cricket%29) have not been completed (usually 90 or more overs must be bowled (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_%28cricket%29) in a day's play, and at least 20 overs must be bowled in the final hour of the final day).

In the early days (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Test_cricket_%28to_1883%29) of the game, Test matches were played over three or four days. There have also have been 'Timeless Tests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeless_Test)', which did not end after a predetermined maximum time. In 2005 Australia played a six-day match against a World XI which the ICC sanctioned as an official Test match, though the match reached a conclusion on the fourth day.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Test_cricket&action=edit&section=6)] Order of play

Test cricket is played in "innings" (the word denotes both the singular and the plural). In each innings, one team bats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batting_%28cricket%29) and the other bowls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_%28cricket%29) (or fields (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fielding_%28cricket%29)). Ordinarily four innings are played in a Test match, such that each team bats twice and bowls twice.
In order to decide which team bats first, prior to the start of play on the first day, the two team captains and the match referee meet at the centre of the wicket for a coin toss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_toss). The home captain will toss the coin, with the visiting captain calling either "Heads" or "Tails" whilst the coin is in the air. The captain who wins the toss has the privilege of deciding whether his team will bat or bowl first.
In the following scenarios, the team which bats first shall be referred to as "Team A", and their opponents as "Team B".
Usually the teams will alternate at the completion of each innings. Thus, Team A will bat (and Team B will bowl) until its innings comes to a close, at which point Team B will commence its first batting innings and Team A will bowl. At the completion of Team B’s innings, the same sequence repeats for each team’s second innings. A team’s score for the match is the combined total of runs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_%28cricket%29) scored in each of its innings.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Test_cricket&action=edit&section=7)] End of an innings

A team's innings may end in one of two ways:


The team loses all of its wickets (at which time the team is referred to as being “all out”). Since two batsmen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batsman_%28cricket%29) bat simultaneously, this usually occurs when ten batsmen have been dismissed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_%28cricket%29). However, it may occur with the loss of fewer wickets if one or more batsmen are unavailable to bat (for example, because they have been injured in the match).
The batting captain elects to cease batting (a declaration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_and_forfeiture)).

Clearly, a team will also cease batting if the game ends (i.e.: if a result is achieved, or the maximum time limit is reached).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Test_cricket&action=edit&section=8)] The follow-on

If, at the completion of its first innings, Team B’s first innings total falls short of Team A’s first innings total by at least 200 runs, the captain of Team A may (but is not required to) order Team B to follow on (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Follow_on). If he does so, Team B must commence its second batting innings immediately, that is, before Team A commences its second innings. Thus, the usual order of the third and fourth innings is reversed: Team B will bat in the third innings, and Team A will bat in the fourth.
It is quite rare for a team which has been forced to follow on to win the match: this has occurred only three times in the history of Test cricket.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Test_cricket&action=edit&section=9)] The new ball

After 80 overs, the captain of the bowling side has the option to take a new ball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_ball). A new ball, which is harder than an old ball, generally favours fast bowlers who can make it bounce at a greater range of (unpredictable) heights and speeds. Spin bowlers or those using reverse swing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_swing) prefer an old ball. The captain may delay the decision to take the new ball if he wishes to continue with his spinners (because the pitch favours spin), though in general the new ball is looked forward to as an opportunity to introduce new life into the bowling with more chance of taking wickets.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Test_cricket&action=edit&section=10)] End of the game

A Test match may end in one of 4 scenarios:


If all four innings have been completed. In this case, the winner is the team with the highest aggregate run total, and the winning margin is the difference between the two teams’ run totals. It is possible (although rare – there have been only two tied results in over 1,700 test matches) that a Test match which ends in this fashion may be tied (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tied_Test), if the aggregate run total of each team is equal.
If, during the fourth innings, the aggregate run total of the team batting surpasses that of its opposition (which has already batted twice). In this case the batting team is the winner, and the winning margin is the number of wickets remaining in the final innings.
If, after completion of the third innings, the aggregate run total of the team which has batted twice (Team A, or Team B if the follow-on has been enforced) is less than the first innings total of the other team. In this case the team which has batted once is the winner, and the winning margin is “an innings” plus the difference in aggregate run totals of the teams (for example, “an innings and 96 runs”).
If none of the above results have been achieved, but the maximum allotted time for the match has been reached (usually, the end of the fifth day). In this scenario the match is a draw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tie_%28draw%29) and neither team wins, regardless of the relative positions of the teams at the time.

[clueless]

it makes me sad that its only on sky :{

[Tintinnabulate]

it makes me sad that its only on sky :{

Sky Sports Player ftw :)

And @ above who asked about test cricket.
Alot of test matches become draws. If a team bats two innings, in order for the other team to win, they must make more runs.
A team can "declare" their innings, this is when they havent been all out but decide to finish their innings early by choice.

I only watched bits of the game but Auusies must have batted amazingly well to get what they did.I am hoping they can score 300-350 runs today, but its a shame they let England score 99 runs yesterday. They became over complacent really.

[Blinger1]

I think Ponting might have brought back his good form!

[Andeeh]

I think Ponting might have brought back his good form!
a great batsman, to score over 11, 000 test runs is outstanding and its a shame he seems to be in form :(

rain delays play with australia at 463 - 4

[Immenseman]

im going to say first test will be a draw

[Geraint]

looking like rain tomorrow.

[Andeeh]

its a certain draw the first test. thats alright but we need to take advantage of no brett lee. hopefully he shall mis lords

[Pienesse]

Why Harmison hasn't been included is a mystery. I know the pitch might be spin-friendly but he tore through their team for the Lions.

Very good point there. COME ON ENGLAND;)

[Smiddy]

581 - 5 currently, ouch.

They've got 3 centuries and 2 half-centuries in the innings thus far. Compared to ours where we only had... 3 half-centuries.
Lead of 147 with 2 1/2 days to go!

[Geraint]

581 - 5 currently, ouch.

They've got 3 centuries and 2 half-centuries in the innings thus far. Compared to ours where we only had... 3 half-centuries.
Lead of 147 with 2 1/2 days to go!

1 1/2 :P

4th day today, finishes tomorrow. Maybe they think that they can bowl England out tomorrow.

[Smiddy]

1 1/2 :P

4th day today, finishes tomorrow. Maybe they think that they can bowl England out tomorrow.
oh damn you're right, I thought it was day 3 haha. They'll get them in for an hour tonight surely then.

[Andeeh]

its gonna be testing times today and tomorrow lets hope it rains :)

declaration with a lead of 239 runs

[Geraint]

england 20-2.

currently raining. covers are on. i'm about 15/20 miles away and it's a very heavy drizzle currently.

[Smiddy]

Sorry Ger but I hope you get a downpour for the next 24 hours, only way we're going to survive :P

[Geraint]

Looking like it's going to hammer down overnight but dry off for tomorrow. Might be a bit of moisture in the air to help the bowlers with a wet outfield.

[Immenseman]

hope you get flooded geraint :eusa_danc :P

[Geraint]

live at the top of a hill so that's not going to happen.

[Tintinnabulate]

The bowling by the aussies was just awesome. Shame that it rained today as I was hoping the match would finish today. Lets just hope it wont rain tomorrow.

[Blinger1]

Trust the ******' english weather to screw the australians over, lol!

And Aussies set their highest record Ashes since 1934!!

[Geraint]

Trust the ******' english weather to screw the australians over, lol!

And Aussies set their highest record Ashes since 1934!!

Just to be pedantic, it's the Welsh weather not English as it is in Cardiff. :P

[Geraint]

Anybody heard/seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8OipmKFDeM&feature=channel

:lol:

[Andeeh]

KP gone :(

[-Heart]

Time to focus on the 2nd test :eusa_whis.

[Blinger1]

Just to be pedantic, it's the Welsh weather not English as it is in Cardiff. :P
You know what i mean.

[Hecktix]

This is a joke, 47-4 52 minutes into the day.

[Blinger1]

stay away rain... PLEASE

[Hecktix]

It should still be a draw. There just isn't enough time to complete it I don't think.

[Blinger1]

we just need to bowl you out. come on australia, don't **** this up.

[Geraint]

77-5.

Spin coming into the pitch on the last day.

[Blinger1]

5 more wickets.. how much longer is game play? (i can't tell, its 9:45pm here...)

[Geraint]

Just over 6 hours including lunch and tea.

[Blinger1]

excellent. we should get this. (going from today's results so far.)

[Geraint]

4 wickets needed in about 3 hours.

[Tintinnabulate]

# Min overs remaining 51.0
England trail by 102 runs with 4 wickets remaining

[Geraint]

Australia are going to have to bat again.

[Geraint]

7 down, 3 to go.

[Immenseman]

what time do they stop anyone? i don't actively follow cricket but it's hard not to get swept up in the ashes. it's 5PM now it doesn't get dark until like what 9? i guess they stop before then? are there a specific amount of overs or a specific time?

[Hecktix]

what time do they stop anyone? i don't actively follow cricket but it's hard not to get swept up in the ashes. it's 5PM now it doesn't get dark until like what 9? i guess they stop before then? are there a specific amount of overs or a specific time?

Yeah they say until there is no reasonable light or w/e but it's usually between 6 and 7.

Looking more positive now :)
Only needing 39 runs to make Australia bat again however we only have 3 wickets remaining. Could go either way, but looking very positive.

[-Heart]

Collingwood gone, 233-9.

[Andeeh]

COME on monty and anderson

[Hecktix]

england lead :D

4 overs left... :)

they may have pulled through this to a draw

[Andeeh]

well played number 10 and 11.

oh monty monty, monty monty monty montey panesar (8)

[Tintinnabulate]

Urgh stupid stupid rain ruined the match otherwise England would have lost.

[Hecktix]

& it's a draw!!!

come on england!

[Andeeh]

we are off to lords on a high :)

[Tintinnabulate]

Its a shame that the Aussies failed to get the tail out quickly twice. Cost them the match. So did the damn rain.

[Blinger1]

******* ******** rain. i knew the british weather would **** us over.

[Geraint]

rain helps the bowlers....

[Andeeh]

harmisson has been included into next test. flintoff a doubt :(

they have to go for one spinner as lords isnt great spin pitch

[Tintinnabulate]

Good start by England but 3 down now.

[Andeeh]

strauss been exceptional played great to get his 150+ about 1 over left inday.

364 - 6

[StefanWolves]

Gutted to hear that big Freddy is retiring, suppose his body can't take it for much longer, hope he plays well for England in ODI and T20 formats though, he's a living idol of mine.

All I can say for this test match is, another draw, rained out day tomorrow probably, unless England or Australia pull something spectacular off then all I can see is another draw, weather being the over-all winner.

[Tintinnabulate]

The spirit with which Australia have been playing is amazing. I really hope they win the series.

[StefanWolves]

Lol? What spirit have they been playing with? please en-lighten me...

How can you say a team really deserves to win the Ashes when it's only the start of the second test? :P

[Andeeh]

they make up lost time so its all good Aussies 58 - 2

[StefanWolves]

If we get two-three wickets in this session then England will win this test match.

[-Heart]

Australia just played the 50th over of their 2nd innings on the fourth day of the 2nd test at Lords, Ozzies are 181-5 at the moment and need 342 runs to win the match and take a 1-0 lead in the series.

England looking good at the moment, looks like that risky decision we took to go into bat first in the second innings yesterday could yet pay off.

[StefanWolves]

England have practically won.

[-Heart]

England have practically won.
Not really.

[StefanWolves]

I know you're a Wolves fan, but do you understand cricket? :P

England have two days(well now a day on 1/4) to take five wickets, and their is almost 0% chance that Australia can get the remaining 330 runs, it would take miracle. :P

[-Heart]

I know you're a Wolves fan, but do you understand cricket? :P

England have two days(well now a day on 1/4) to take five wickets, and their is almost 0% chance that Australia can get the remaining 330 runs, it would take miracle. :P
No, not fully I don't - no. But it doesn't take a genious to realise that we haven't won this yet.

[StefanWolves]

we have more or less won... unless it rains for a day and a half straight... :P

put it this way, aus aren't gonna win, that's a fact...

[Immenseman]

yer aus wont win. but 2 batters atm are making it hard. slow and steady will get them a draw seeing as rain is supposed to come down too.

[StefanWolves]

if we get two wickets in the next hour then I think that we will wrap up the game today, if not then we will wrap it up tomorrow.

[Immenseman]

yer, i literally think it depends if we can get the next wicket quite quickly. if we get clarke out we're laughing but he's got basically double than any of his team mates and on like 80 n.o or something

[Andeeh]

you just dont know i pray for a cloudy day tomorrow to give something for our seemers :) and we needed luck with a few of those wickets :)

[Hecktix]

We should win it, we tend to be better in morning sessions.

Hopefully the weather will hold out, it's unlikely the aussies will win but they could be batting for a draw.

We'll see :)

We only need to get Clarke & it'll be fine.

[Immenseman]

yeah, it's harder than that though. hopefully we'll get 2/3 wickets in the morning session, their tail enders aren't great batters. once we get these two out it should be alright. depends on weather and how they bat.

[Hecktix]

yeah, it's harder than that though. hopefully we'll get 2/3 wickets in the morning session, their tail enders aren't great batters. once we get these two out it should be alright. depends on weather and how they bat.

If it rains in the morning it will be a drawer.

England are really good in the morning sessions, we took so many of the wickets in their first innings in the morning, similar to what we did today. We need to get Clarke & Haddin before they get into their stride, catch them off guard almost, in the first hour or so.

I do have faith & I think we will win, but only if we take those two wickets before lunch.

[Immenseman]

i have a feeling if they don't win this game, they won't win the series. don't know why, just do. aussies should have won the first test and didn't. i just hope england can take the initiative and get a 1-0 lead.

[Hecktix]

i have a feeling if they don't win this game, they won't win the series. don't know why, just do. aussies should have won the first test and didn't. i just hope england can take the initiative and get a 1-0 lead.

Agree with you completely here Jake, in all honesty after our performance at Cardiff I was doubtful we'd win the series. In all honesty after our first innings I was quite appalled at certain of our "good" batsmen... but I fully agree, if we don't win here we don't have a chance really.

[Tintinnabulate]

Australia can win, although its probably not going to happen as making over 200 runs on Day 5 is really hard with only 5 wickets. Would love to see them win though.

I really do think England should have batted this morning, and taken all the risks, and tried to get a 600 run lead instead. Although a 522 lead is good, its not impossible to achieve. I think there was a very similar test earlier this year, around January/February I think, where a team thought they had set a very good and impossible to get target and got beaten.


Lol? What spirit have they been playing with? please en-lighten me...

How can you say a team really deserves to win the Ashes when it's only the start of the second test? :P

Watching a team play for 7 days, its not hard to tell which is the better team.

[StefanWolves]

Well you must be watching a different game of cricket.

[Hecktix]

Australia have played worse at Lords than England did at Cardiff.

[StefanWolves]

Totally agree with you Invincible, which means England must be the best team so far... he must have been watching a different test match.

[Hecktix]

Totally agree with you Invincible, which means England must be the best team so far... he must have been watching a different test match.

In all fairness the first innings of this match England played a bit crap tbh, it was a combination of Australia being crap & England bowling well that saved it for them.

I think Strauss made the right decision not to follow on, I just hope we can get them all out tomorrow, as 200 runs in a day is a good target, today we made the error of letting Haddin & Clarke form a strong partnership, we need to take Clarke's wicket before they reform this tomorrow.

If we take both of the current wickets by lunch we should be fine, hopefully rain won't intervene much. England play well in morning sessions so fingers crossed we could have them all out by lunch.

In terms of which team deserve to win, at the moment as far as I'm concerned we haven't seen any brilliant cricket apart from the England tail-enders saving the test at Cardiff, now that was pure brilliance.

Both England & Australia have shown faults at both tests so far, I really hope England don't muck up tomorrow, be good to make history!

[Blinger1]

i hope the weather ***** you guys over like it ****** us over :eusa_wall

[Tintinnabulate]

Australia have played worse at Lords than England did at Cardiff.

But they are not doing so bad in the 2nd innings :)
Overall, Australia's performance has been better.

TheWolf, you thought England had practically won, maybe you are the one who is watching a different game as right now England are pretty much ******** themselves.

Haha Blinger, yep, rain ruined it for Aussies last time so it would be funny if it does it for England this time :) Love to see their desperation.


Well you must be watching a different game of cricket.

After watching cricket for 14 years, you kind of get good at knowing who is doing better by watching 7 days of cricket - which is alot.

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Anyway, if Aussies do lose a wicket in the first 90 minutes, it would be extremely hard for them to win it. If they make another 100 runs without losing a wicket (which is extremely hard) then they are in for a chance.

[Blinger1]

Haha Blinger, yep, rain ruined it for Aussies last time so it would be funny if it does it for England this time :) Love to see their desperation.
If it does, they will have a good excuse coming up like "heh, we rly let dem *** bak" :rolleyes:

[StefanWolves]

Ksoz you're so full of hate, seeing as though the highest chased down score ever was 420 something, yeah, It's NEARLY impossible to get, and yes, I'd rather believe you over all the pundits on Sky Sports news, including Shane Warne, who even said England deserve to be 1-0 and have played the best this series.

TYYYYY.

EDIT: WICKETTTT 11:06 AM - AUSTRALIA 313-6 (BRAD HADDIN GONE)

[AlexOC]

England's Won It!

[StefanWolves]

England win!

Shane Warne: "England have outplayed Australia from ball one in this test match" - So, Ksoz, we beat India in the T20, knocked you out, were leading in the Ashes, when you said earlier that England were getting outplayed? jealousy much, I don't have to say no more, the results speak for themselves.

[Simmzay]

Lol Australia, we were pretty poor.

[Geraint]

Oh God, gotta live with this in the media for the next 3000 years. :eusa_wall

[LuketheDuke]

Good thing is now someone has to outright win it.

until the next test lets wrap Flintoff and KP up in bubblewrap to stop inj.

[Hecktix]

Brilliant victory :)

Get Harmison in next week!

[Tintinnabulate]

England win!

Shane Warne: "England have outplayed Australia from ball one in this test match" - So, Ksoz, we beat India in the T20, knocked you out, were leading in the Ashes, when you said earlier that England were getting outplayed? jealousy much, I don't have to say no more, the results speak for themselves.

Comparing one T20 match is stupid when you got trashed 5-0 in ODIs and 3-0 in Tests rofl ...
Funny how you ignore all the matches you lose and remember only the odd ones you win.

Well done to England anyway. Come on Aussies for the next test.

[StefanWolves]

You just envy us, omggg we knocked you out of the T20 and you WERE the WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!! :O!!

[Tintinnabulate]

Annd .. :S we hit you got 6 6's rofl.
India had been playing non stop cricket for nearly a year and its good that they lost. They were starting to get complacent.

I just dislike KP, Flintoff, Prior and Broad.

I like Cook, Bopara, Collingwood, Anderson, Onions and the rest ...

[StefanWolves]

Strange how you dislike ALL of our best players? jealous much.

I don't have anything else to say to you, you're just a jealous person.

[Tintinnabulate]

Actually Collingwood is also one of you best players along with Anderson ...
I dislike those players as they dont play with the spirit cricket should be played. They dont act mature. Collingwood is one of your best players and one of the best behaved.

[StefanWolves]

Wow do you ever stop hating?? you talk utter crap lol, i'm not replying to you as of now. =]

[Tintinnabulate]

You have said that a million times now rofl.
I only hate those players like I said. Like the rest, love Collingwood.

[Blinger1]

Lolol, i still love how everyone is like Aussie suck.. Australia will only truely suck when you win 5-0 like in 2007... when england lost.

[Tintinnabulate]

Lolol, i still love how everyone is like Aussie suck.. Australia will only truely suck when you win 5-0 like in 2007... when england lost.

I used to dislike the Aussies, thought they were cocky. Mainly because they always won. I still dislike their attitude sometimes, like how they just dismissed the T20's. But after properly watching them lately, they really are a great team.
They are ranked 1st in the world for a reason.

[Blinger1]

we did get cocky and had a good reason for it. We were the best in the world!
T20 is all about the smashing. No tactics at all, where as every other match has some.

[Tintinnabulate]

T20 has tactics too, this world cup clearly displayed it.

[StefanWolves]

T20 batsman tactics: whack the ball for 4's/6's
T20 bowlers tactics: bowl yorkers and hope for the best
T20 Fieldings tactics: stand and watch the ball for 4's/6's and try to stop/catch anything that comes near me.

WOW THATS FULL ON TACTICAL!!

[Geraint]

All Cricket requires tactics. You have to know which bowlers to use when, what fielding positions your player are going to be, what team you're going to play, how you're going to bowl to that batsmen etc. Batsmen have to have some sort of tactics, they can't just smash every ball as they'll lose too many wickets which means they'll either be all out or might even lose on D/L

[Tintinnabulate]

T20 batsman tactics: whack the ball for 4's/6's
T20 bowlers tactics: bowl yorkers and hope for the best
T20 Fieldings tactics: stand and watch the ball for 4's/6's and try to stop/catch anything that comes near me.

WOW THATS FULL ON TACTICAL!!

You really know nothing about cricket.
+ rep to the post above me for actually showing idiots what tactics are required.
People think cricket is easy, but different pitch and different times of the day are better for different types of bowlers. If the teams dont take that into account then they really are stupid.

[StefanWolves]

TBH a child with downs syndrome would be able to captain a T20 match, it requires no tactics, and you lot are foolish if you think other wise.

MY OPINION ALRITE! :) xoxo

[Tintinnabulate]

You obviously have never played proper cricket.
You need to now which bowlers to bowl when, which batsmen to send when, when to hit and when to keep it steady. You need to know where to place your fielders. T20 is probs harder than Tests etc tactics wise.

Otherwise you are saying Football has no tactics. Run around with the ball and try and get it in the oppositions net.
You really have no clue.

[Hecktix]

Last time I checked this thread was entitled "The Ashes" not "Which is better, test or T20?"

;)

[StefanWolves]

I know but he doesn't make sense... T20 has more tactics than Test matches... statement of the year tbh. :P

Now ksoz, i WILL NOT reply to from now on, that is a promise, I can't be done with your trolling and your persistent arguing.

[Blinger1]

@thewolf, can't wait to see your reply later.
Where is the third test held?

[Hecktix]

Edgebaston, next thursday :)

[Tintinnabulate]

@thewolf, can't wait to see your reply later.
Where is the third test held?

Haha same. He has said he wont reply about 30 odd times now on all 3 of his accounts. Got the other 2 banned.

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[StefanWolves]

@thewolf, can't wait to see your reply later.
Where is the third test held?

Ill reply to you but not the other guy, I don't have a problem with you, but you seem to be jumping on the ''OMG YEH LETS ARGUE WITH HIM'' bandwagon.

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[Tintinnabulate]

A good article I found about The Ashes.

http://www.itsonlycricket.com/entry/299/

[Andeeh]

tbh t/20 isnt is a hell of a lot easier than test cricket and i prefer test cricket because it pushes the boundaries of players.

but anyway about next ashes test edgbaston. i reckon we have to get rid of KP as he is clearly struggling put bell in at number 4.

also onions has a shoulder injury but is expected to be fit but if not then put harmisson in :)

pre-ordered the game too :)

[StefanWolves]

might be going to Edgbaston, day three/five, hope onions is injured so harmison gets picked.

[Blinger1]

Ill reply to you but not the other guy, I don't have a problem with you, but you seem to be jumping on the ''OMG YEH LETS ARGUE WITH HIM'' bandwagon.

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It couldn't be because i am "Australian" could it???!!!

OH MY GOD :O:O:O:O:O:O


And the new Ashes game looks crap..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtSq85vvgHk

[StefanWolves]

And the new Ashes game looks crap..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtSq85vvgHk

that game looks terrible.

[Andeeh]

ive got tickets to the oval day 3 :) also idc i need a new cricket game

[Blinger1]

Lol, *REMOVED*. Good joke!!!

I don't remember being negative at all in this thread, apart from the fact that i said the weather will screw us over..

edit: apparently there will be a EA Sports Cricket 2010? maybe that will be better

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[StefanWolves]

apparently there will be a EA Sports Cricket 2010? maybe that will be better

I'm ignoring you're argumentitive context if you haven't noticed, so give up.

Anyway, EA are the best at everything they do, EA Cricket would be awesome.

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[Blinger1]

I'm ignoring you're argumentitive context if you haven't noticed, so give up.
oh rly?


Ill reply to you but not the other guy, I don't have a problem with you, but you seem to be jumping on the ''OMG YEH LETS ARGUE WITH HIM'' bandwagon.

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[StefanWolves]

That was a few days ago, theirs a bit of a difference since then and now, just stop trying to cause arguments, i'm trying, why can't you? :)

[Blinger1]

*REMOVED*

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[Geraint]

Brian Lara's Cricket, what a game. :eusa_clap

Used to smash them all over the field then when it got to about 10 overs they'd put everyone on the boundary so you'd go for a six then they'd catch it. Once you'd get 6 out they'd change it back though. :8

[StefanWolves]

Haha, I remember that game Geraint, was so easy to predict, I used to bowl with Vaughn and Peitersen, part time spin, use to bowl the ball as short as possible and it used to get them out lbw/hitting the stumps, legend. :P

ON THE SUBJECT OF PEITERSEN, HE HAS JUST BEEN RULED OUT FOR THE REST OF THE SERIES. :(!!!!!

could be a blessing in disguise, we have done well without him performing so far. :P

[Andeeh]

Lol, *REMOVED*. Good joke!!!

I don't remember being negative at all in this thread, apart from the fact that i said the weather will screw us over..

edit: apparently there will be a EA Sports Cricket 2010? maybe that will be better

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ohh i havent heard about this ;) i might just get both hahaha if ea sports did do it then i would think they would do county/club teams :)

hmm im not at all suprised at KP not playing any further part i reckon its a good thing as he wasnt playing well at all

[Tintinnabulate]

Hate all cricket console games, always suck.

[Andeeh]

bell to replace KP at number 4 :)

also demo of it is better than BLIC 07

[StefanWolves]

BLIC 07 was crap tbf, was good at the time haha!

Bell shouldn't be at 4, Bopara shouldn't be at 3, Collingwood should. :)

IMO.

[Andeeh]

yeaa i know blic 07 was terrible but i love ashes demo :)

[Smiddy]

BLIC 07 was crap tbf, was good at the time haha!

Bell shouldn't be at 4, Bopara shouldn't be at 3, Collingwood should. :)

IMO.
You're crazy man.

Bring in Carberry for number 3 and Key for number 4, drop Bopara and Bell.

Then the Aussies need to bring in Watson for North and Clark for Johnson.

That will be a competitive game then!

[Andeeh]

You're crazy man.

Bring in Carberry for number 3 and Key for number 4, drop Bopara and Bell.

Then the Aussies need to bring in Watson for North and Clark for Johnson.

That will be a competitive game then!
that would never happen :( but would be decent.

Bopara needs to shape up or ship out i feel.

[Smiddy]

that would never happen :( but would be decent.

Bopara needs to shape up or ship out i feel.
I think it's silly the way they ignore people like Carberry and Key, they are clear talent acts and better than this *FUTURE* star Bopara.

Btw, aware Carberry is still a future star, but least he looks more composed at the crease.

[Andeeh]

I think it's silly the way they ignore people like Carberry and Key, they are clear talent acts and better than this *FUTURE* star Bopara.

Btw, aware Carberry is still a future star, but least he looks more composed at the crease.
yeaa

i cant believe key was being talked about being captain this time last year and now he cant even break in to the test squad. hes a great leader for kent

[Andeeh]

Just a bit of additional info. play delayed due to rain 3rd inspection at half 3.

the outfield is still soggy

[Geraint]

Brad Haddin has broken his finegr in the warm-up and Graham Manou has come into replace him.

[Andeeh]

88 - 1 Swann with wicket

[-Heart]

Ozzies end the day on 126-1. Was only a 30-over session due to rain. Watson unbeaten on 62, Katich went for 42 and Ponting is 17no going into Day 2 tommorow.

Well, thanks rain I guess :rolleyes:.

[Geraint]

Ozzies end the day on 126-1. Was only a 30-over session due to rain. Watson unbeaten on 62, Katich went for 42 and Ponting is 17no going into Day 2 tommorow.

Well, thanks rain I guess :rolleyes:.

Don't moan, it saved you once.

[Blinger1]

Ponting is 8 runs away from settings Australia's highest total test match runs. :O!

[Andeeh]

brilliant spell by onions back in the game now

168 - 4 :) onions got all 3 wickets so far

[Andeeh]

202 - 7

Anderson on a hatrick

[StefanWolves]

tbh i don't give a ****, i'm gonna big up my country for once, were ****** awesome in morning sessions. o.O

[Andeeh]

^^ i agree we played fantastic and it made me proud to be an england cricket supporter.

good start by batsmen but bopara(again) and cook failed.

[Blinger1]

**** sake australia, pull your finger out your your arses!

[Tintinnabulate]

**** sake australia, pull your finger out your your arses!

First game they had England crapping themselves. The draw ruined them. It killed their motivation.

I really hope they can get some quick wickets tomorrow and then get A LOT of runs and try and bowl them all out again. Slim chances of it in 2 days but they need to show that they are trying.

[Andeeh]

tea on day 5 we still need to get 6 wickets and get nearly 200 + runs.
draw written all over it

[Geraint]

Bet you'll all start moaning about the rain. :rolleyes:

[Hecktix]

It was a draw finally.

Shame as England were playing really well however Clarke & North had a good strong partnership we couldn't bust.

[Andeeh]

next test match tomorrow headingly gonna be a cracker i feel

[Tintinnabulate]

Australia could have won the last test if it wasnt for the day 4 washout.

[Hecktix]

Erm

92-7

:/

But Harmison is back :D

[Geraint]

102 all out and Australia currently 196-4.

[Tintinnabulate]

Australia, without a doubt, the better team today. Australia will obviously bat for as long as they can tomorrow and try and get England all out again. Match might even finish by Day 3. I very much doubt we will get to Day 5.

[Immenseman]

watch england finish the aussies off tomorrow. start batting in the evening session and all throughout the 4th day. declare on a wicked score on 4th day evening and bowl the aussies out on the 5th day :lol: not over yet

[Tintinnabulate]

watch england finish the aussies off tomorrow. start batting in the evening session and all throughout the 4th day. declare on a wicked score on 4th day evening and bowl the aussies out on the 5th day :lol: not over yet

So you are thinking England will be manage to bat tomorrow evening, all day 3 and all day 4?
Keep dreaming :)

[Immenseman]

ok 4th day morning and then bowl the aussies out in 3 sessions with an england victory

[Tintinnabulate]

Lol. England will have to do amazingly well to win this one. This wont be a draw, thats for sure, unless it rains.

[Tintinnabulate]

Strauss is clueless. Poor guy.
Australia are doing amazingly well. Get a lead of 400 and declare.

Edit: Bull, the second I make this post, they lose a wicket :( Looking at a lead of 350 now.

[Immenseman]

let hope for rain (yn)

[Andeeh]

North has got just as many runs as england did

[Immenseman]

lmao, they're going for big hits after the loss of two successive wickets

[Immenseman]

can't edit.

aussies all out for 445.

[Jam]

England seem to be very slow to start scoring :/

[Immenseman]

17 without loss. hope they can bat for as long as possible ha

[Tintinnabulate]

aw man, North dropped it or England would be 80/6. This is just too good :)
This made me lol:


"Better performance than in the first innings. For 78, England were six wickets down then. Now they are only five down."
Manoj Barve, Pune, in the TMS inbox

[Blinger1]

whats the current score? Nothing on the radio here.. And mobile skin!

[Immenseman]

82-5 at close of play

[Hecktix]

82-5 at close of play

Stupid, pathetic excuse of a cricket team.

THE RULES OF CRICKET HAVE CHANGED ACCORDING TO THE ENGLAND TEAM:

NOW YOU HAVE TO HIT THE BALL INTO AUSTRALIANS CUPPED HANDS :@

[Tintinnabulate]

Anderson should have tried to retain his strike. Ah well, if North would caught the last ball, Aussies could have asked for an extra 30 mins and tried ending this game today.

[Geraint]

If Australia win, England have to win the last test.

[Tintinnabulate]

Hopefully it will either be a draw or an Australian win.

[StefanWolves]

Hopefully it will either be a draw or an Australian win.

Please stop being so god damned bias.

Terrible display by England, all goes down to the last test I guess though, still confident! :)

[Tintinnabulate]

Please stop being so god damned bias.

Terrible display by England, all goes down to the last test I guess though, still confident! :)
Stop trying to cause an argument with me every time :)
I support Australia so I can say what I want about my opinion. For some reason, you get annoyed every time I say something in Australia's favour. So childish. :rolleyes:

[StefanWolves]

Im not trying to cause an argument, i'm just stating how bias you are.

i think england will still win the ashes anyway, is the last test at the oval?

[Geraint]

How's that being biased, he just said he wanted Australia to win. You want England to win, are you being biased?

[Blinger1]

Im not trying to cause an argument, i'm just stating how bias you are.

i think england will still win the ashes anyway, is the last test at the oval?
-rep for being biased.

And Australia has finally hit back, bring on the rain :rolleyes:

[Immenseman]

no i see what thewolf means, for the first time ever. ksoz if i'm even thinking about the right person is always anti english. although thinking about it i might be thinking of someone else.

[Tintinnabulate]

Im not trying to cause an argument, i'm just stating how bias you are.

i think england will still win the ashes anyway, is the last test at the oval?

So me saying I want Aussies to win is biased but you want England to win isn't biased?

Your way of thinking if flawed.

Anyway I am hoping Aussies finish off England quick tomorrow. I wish they finished them off today, would have been good. Shame North dropped that catch. Ah well, excellent display by Aussies anyway.


ksoz if i'm even thinking about the right person is always anti english.

Is that why I support England every time in the world cup for Football and Rugby and Tennis sometimes? And in the Olympics and the Commonwealth games? Like you said, you might have confused me with someone else.

Anyway, I can support who I want. Before I disliked Aussies as I thought they were cocky etc, but watching them in the Ashes, I really like them and respect them.

[StefanWolves]

So me saying I want Aussies to win is biased but you want England to win isn't biased?

Your way of thinking if flawed.

Anyway I am hoping Aussies finish off England quick tomorrow. I wish they finished them off today, would have been good. Shame North dropped that catch. Ah well, excellent display by Aussies anyway.



Is that why I support England every time in the world cup for Football and Rugby and Tennis sometimes? And in the Olympics and the Commonwealth games?

its totally different, your indian and you hate the english, you slate us at everything we do, yet you support the most racist country in the world, Australia, coincidence? I think not.

Thanks immense, at least someone else in this thread isn't bloody blind.


How's that being biased, he just said he wanted Australia to win. You want England to win, are you being biased?


-rep for being biased.

And Australia has finally hit back, bring on the rain :rolleyes:


Stop trying to cause an argument with me every time :)
I support Australia so I can say what I want about my opinion. For some reason, you get annoyed every time I say something in Australia's favour. So childish. :rolleyes:


So me saying I want Aussies to win is biased but you want England to win isn't biased?

Your way of thinking if flawed.

Anyway I am hoping Aussies finish off England quick tomorrow. I wish they finished them off today, would have been good. Shame North dropped that catch. Ah well, excellent display by Aussies anyway.



Is that why I support England every time in the world cup for Football and Rugby and Tennis sometimes? And in the Olympics and the Commonwealth games? Like you said, you might have confused me with someone else.

Anyway, I can support who I want. Before I disliked Aussies as I thought they were cocky etc, but watching them in the Ashes, I really like them and respect them.

whats the correlation here? oh yes! none of them are English! coincidence? please, stop hatin.

[Tintinnabulate]

its totally different, your indian and you hate the english, you slate us at everything we do, yet you support the most racist country in the world, Australia, coincidence? I think not.

Thanks immense, at least someone else in this thread isn't bloody blind.

I hate English? And did you not read my post? I support England in pretty much everything apart from Cricket. Do you see me slating England in Rugby or Football? Never. Why? Because I support them.

Australians is racist? Not the ones I know of. I don't stereotype countries like you obviously seem to do.

whats the correlation here? oh yes! none of them are English! coincidence? please, stop hatin.

You support England and you are English. Coincidence? Please stop hating people who dislike the English cricket team.

[StefanWolves]

I hate English? And did you not read my post? I support England in pretty much everything apart from Cricket. Do you see me slating England in Rugby or Football? Never. Why? Because I support them.

Australians is racist? Not the ones I know of. I don't stereotype countries like you obviously seem to do.

How can you lecture me on stereotypin, when you don't like flintoff, pitersen, or broad, when they are arguably our three best players? you just don't like the England cricket team to do any good because you have your precious over rated indian team who only care about one dayers and T20s.

Yeah, you support England in football and Tennis because India don't have anything in those sports? this is like glory huntin but nationally, you can't just pick and choose, it's like me going to Italy and sayin I'm Italian and supporting the Italian football and Rugby team? it's just wrong.

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[Geraint]

ksoz isn't english (sorry, if you are) why should he be obliged to support england?

[Immenseman]

oh i think i meant soil or summet cnt memba. soz!

[Tintinnabulate]

How can you lecture me on stereotypin, when you don't like flintoff, pitersen, or broad, when they are arguably our three best players? you just don't like the England cricket team to do any good because you have your precious over rated indian team who only care about one dayers and T20s.

Yeah, you support England in football and Tennis because India don't have anything in those sports? this is like glory huntin but nationally, you can't just pick and choose, it's like me going to Italy and sayin I'm Italian and supporting the Italian football and Rugby team? it's just wrong.

Flintoff because he loves himself and shows off way too much. Alot of ENGLISH, yes ENGLISH fans agree too.
Broad as he has no respect for others.
KP to wind up this girl.
I like Collingwood, Strauss, Cook, Anderson and the rest. Tbh the first three are one of your best players. Flintoff is just over rated.


Rampant Aussies set for huge win
Man ESPN must be anti-english racist biased people.


ksoz isn't english (sorry, if you are) why should he be obliged to support england?

He thinks people should support the country they are in. So I said if I move countries every month, should I change who I support every time? He said yes :\
Thats not called supporting a team.
I started supporting India since I can remember in cricket, so I will support them for the rest of my life. I started supporting England when I started watching football, hence i always support them.

Anyway TheWolf always wants an argument. His arguments are all flawed and he is just jealous Australia are doing much better.

And Wolf, you said India only care about ODIs and T20. Is that why we beat you 3-0 or something in tests? And beat Aussies in tests? And many other teams?

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[StefanWolves]

ksoz isn't english (sorry, if you are) why should he be obliged to support england?

he supports england in everything apart from cricket:eusa_wall


Flintoff because he loves himself and shows off way too much. Alot of ENGLISH, yes ENGLISH fans agree too.
Broad as he has no respect for others.
KP to wind up this girl.
I like Collingwood, Strauss, Cook, Anderson and the rest. Tbh the first three are one of your best players. Flintoff is just over rated.


Man ESPN must be anti-english racist biased people.

what has espn got to do with this? theyre american.

again you put up a piss poor argument, you back none of your statements with actual facts.

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[Blinger1]

Australians is racist? Not the ones I know of. I don't stereotype countries like you obviously seem to do.
True, i know hardly any racist people, we joke around, hell, i even have black friends who call people the 'n word' and **** like that.



its totally different, your indian and you hate the english, you slate us at everything we do, yet you support the most racist country in the world, Australia, coincidence? I think not.
I think that in itself is racist. How are we the most racist country in the world? If we are, then it originates back to Britain/England, where they killed off a hell of a lot of Aboriginals.. and what skin colour are they? :eusa_thin Oh yeah! Black.


Thanks immense, at least someone else in this thread isn't bloody blind.
Thanks ksoz, atleast sum1 'as gud taist in criket :rolleyes:

notice the sarcasm!?









whats the correlation here? oh yes! none of them are English! coincidence? please, stop hatin.
Stop hating Australia because you aren't Australian ;)

[Geraint]

he supports england in everything apart from cricket:eusa_wall



what has espn got to do with this? theyre american.

'cause he is indian (I think) and india's biggest sport is cricket. (well, hockey but we dont play that much)

[StefanWolves]

I'd rather be NZ then AU.

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[Tintinnabulate]

India funds a large part of ICC.

Has anyone noticed, whenever TheWolf makes a post, its always quoting me and it always turns into an argument? Before which, its always a healthy discussion?

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[Blinger1]

I'd rather be NZ then AU.
Yep, racism right there m8.

[StefanWolves]

I haven't noticed it, yet i'm not the one writing in red writing thinking im a smod.

[Tintinnabulate]

Yep, racism right there m8.

The English fans don't clap whenever Aussies get a wicket or hit 4's and 6's. Thats racism right there too :rolleyes:

LOL.

Anyway cba arguing with the guy, who won the 2007 Ashes? I honestly cant remember. Which one was it that England won?


I haven't noticed it, yet i'm not the one writing in red writing thinking im a smod.

I put it in red so it stands out :) see negative thinking 24/7 right there.

[Immenseman]

2005 > 2007.

[StefanWolves]

You call this arguing yet i'm not arguing, are you arguing with yourself?

england 2005 australia 2007, k?

[Blinger1]

2005 > 2007.
why? because you didn't lose five - zero??

[Tintinnabulate]

2005 > 2007.

Thanks. Found this on wikipedia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/b2bea9821ac09c6087c11abcf968c0ef.png

[StefanWolves]

Thanks. Found this on wikipedia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/b2bea9821ac09c6087c11abcf968c0ef.png

if you love it that much, you should print it off and get one of them frames off that website you run and put it up in your house. :eusa_danc

hang it above your bed or somethin so it's the first thing that you see in the morning, put you in a good mood maybe.

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[Blinger1]

Since 1989 you guys have won once. good job england :D!!!!

And look at the statistics on the right on the wikipedia article:


Current champion http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Australia.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia) Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_national_cricket_team)
Most successful http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Australia.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia) Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_national_cricket_team) (31 titles) Most runs http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Australia.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia) Donald Bradman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Bradman) (5,028) Most wickets http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Australia.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia) Shane Warne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Warne) (195)

[StefanWolves]

Since 1989 you guys have won once. good job england :D!!!!

And look at the statistics on the right on the wikipedia article:


Current champion http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Australia.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia) Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_national_cricket_team)

are you proud your said that on a forum of which the majority is english? you did australia proud their!

[Blinger1]

are you proud your said that on a forum of which the majority is english? you did australia proud their!
Yes i am proud to be an Australian citizen, and most likely made them proud too. ;).

[Tintinnabulate]

if you love it that much, you should print it off and get one of them frames off that website you run and put it up in your house. :eusa_danc

hang it above your bed or somethin so it's the first thing that you see in the morning, put you in a good mood maybe.

Erm I asked a question, Immense answered it, I thanked him but said I ended up finding it myself on wikipedia?

You seem to want to argue with everyone that is not English. To me, you seem full on racist.
I am an Indian, you argue with me. Theres another Indian or Australian, you argue with him. Theres a Australian, you argue with him. See the pattern here?

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[Hecktix]

Below this message is a line, this is the line I am going to draw at the end of the arguements in this thread - after this line discussion will be about the test matches and more importantly will be friendly - competitive banter is obviously allowed.


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Very poor show from England in first two days, I think it's evident the Aussies are going to win this one however my prediction was always for England to win 2-1 so we shall see won't we?

[Blinger1]

i still think the rain will screw australia over again somehow.

[Hecktix]

i still think the rain will screw australia over again somehow.

It would have to rain tomorrow, monday & tuesday for it to be a draw imo :P

Unless Jimmy Anderson & Matt Prior pull off some miracles and get double centuries each :P

[Blinger1]

It would have to rain tomorrow, monday & tuesday for it to be a draw imo :P
I wouldn't put it past the english weather to royally screw us over.

oh do you see what i did there :P

[Hecktix]

I wouldn't put it past the english weather to royally screw us over.

oh do you see what i did there :P

Oh you are so funny! :P

Nah I think you've definitely got this one - if you don't there is something wrong.

If the weather stopped you this time then it would be really unfair, at least at Edgebaston both sides played well :P

Whether the whether will screw you over at the oval I do not know... however I for one hope for a damn good cricket match that week.

[Tintinnabulate]

Its sunny today so I doubt rain will screw Aussies over :) They deserve to win this one. Excellent batting and bowling by them.

Next test is hard to tell who is going to win but I really hope Aussies win or its a draw. A Aussie win would be better.

[Immenseman]

lmao this is nuts from broad and swann just smashing boundaries. they've got 49 from last 3 overs. i know it isn't making a difference to the outcome but it's still jokes

[Tintinnabulate]

Australia struggled to get England's tail out before too :\ Shows how much better they are than their batsmen lol. And how Australia need to work more on their bowling.

[Tintinnabulate]

English cricketers are witheringly described as “lazy”, “shallow” and “flat”, and as players who “love being comfortable”. Fast bowler James Anderson can be “a bit of a *****” if things do not go his way and skipper Andrew Strauss can be too “conservative”. And there are barbs at the egos of Matt Prior and Graeme Swann, as well as the annoying strut of Ravi Bopara.

Worryingly, Michael Vaughan, England’s Ashes-winning captain in 2005, agrees with many of Langer’s assertions. In his column on page five today, he says: “If I had been asked to write a dossier on English cricket, I would have come up with many of the same points. This is a reality check for the game’s administrators in this country to change our structure.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/5996321/The-Ashes-leaked-dossier-shows-what-Australia-really-think-of-England-team.html

Wouldn't be surprised if they leaked it on purpose. Totally agree with it though.

[StefanWolves]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/5996321/The-Ashes-leaked-dossier-shows-what-Australia-really-think-of-England-team.html

Wouldn't be surprised if they leaked it on purpose. Totally agree with it though.

i totally disagree with it...

but then again all you are going to say is 'you would' so i'm not gonna bother. :P

[Skajo]

i totally disagree with it...

but then again all you are going to say is 'you would' so i'm not gonna bother. :P
Bopara, Bell, Flintoff, Collingwood all series have been poor without looking at in on the whole with Flintoff-tinted glasses on.