Do you think we can (honestly) win the world cup? [Archive]

CHA!NGANG

13-09-2009, 11:37 AM

I was reading SSN.COM and saw people, England fans, posting saying we aren't good enough. What do you think now that we've qualified?

To break it down a bit, if it was done on players then England have:

Rio, Terry, A.Cole, Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney.

That are all world class. 6 players that could easily make someones World XI team. However, Look at other teams:

Spain:

Casillas, Ramos, Puyol, Xavi, Xabi Alonso, Iniesta, Fabregas, Silva, Villa, Torres.

That's 10 players that are all world class.

Argentina:

Cambiasso, Mascharano (sp.), Messi, Tevez, Aguero.

5 players that are world class, less than England.

Brazil:

Julio Cesar, Alves, Maicon, Lucio, Juan, Maxwell, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Luis Fabiano, Adriano, Robinho, Pato.

That's 13 world class players.

France:

Lloris, Abidal, Evra, Ribery, Anelka, Benzema, Henry.

7 World class players.

Germany:

Adler, Lahm, Mertersaker, Schwienstiger, Ballack, Podolski, Gomez.

That's 7 good players, maybe not all world class but still good players.

Italy:

Buffon, Chiellini, Cannavaro, De Rossi, Pirlo.

5 Top players.

Holland:

Van der Sar (If he is retired or not), V.D.Vaart, Sneijder, Robben, R.V.Persie.

5 top players.

Sorry for the really long post, but as you can see, on paper we aren't the best team in the world. Also, against Netherlands we came up a bit short and could have lost.

Personally I think it is between: Brazil, Spain, Holland and England, but I think that Brazil and Spain will make the final, and England will come up short.

Brazil and Spain both have amazing teams, both on paper and physically.

So what are your thoughts? Do England have the potential to win, taking account the players/managers/tactics/fans/heart?

P.S. Sorry for the long post again :P

adaym

13-09-2009, 11:43 AM

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 11:55 AM

Yes, England have a chance, but so does everyone else, of course I want them to win it, I think we will make the Semi's, but any further... I'm not sure, also, Holland are number 3 in the world you know, and we did draw 2-2 with them (after loosing 2-0) so it isn't that bad.

Also, I can't see Brazil winning it, Argentina might not even make it their, same for France, they're struggling to, not to mention Portugal look like they're going to miss out, and the Germans will always go far into the tournament, but I can't see them getting past the quaters, they're missing quality, they have limited players and have a very young squad, so if those 3 teams don't make it, (including Brazil and Germany not winning it) then England have a good chance IMO.

CHA!NGANG

13-09-2009, 11:59 AM

Yes, England have a chance, but so does everyone else, of course I want them to win it, I think we will make the Semi's, but any further... I'm not sure, also, Holland are number 3 in the world you know, and we did draw 2-2 with them (after loosing 2-0) so it isn't that bad.

That's what I mean, against the top teams we will find it hard to beat them. If it wasn't for Defoe we would have probably have lost that match.

EDIT: Yeah Portugal have a slim chance, but France are 2nd in there group so should make it, Argentina are 4th, and the top 4 automatically go through and the 5th goes into a play off.

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 12:02 PM

Argentina are 5th now. ;)

CHA!NGANG

13-09-2009, 12:11 PM

Argentina are 5th now. ;)

Ah yeah, 1 point behind 4th and 2 games left. They should make it. Otherwise it will be a world cup without Messi and Ronaldo :P

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 12:13 PM

Better for England, crap for the neutrals. ;)

Glitter

13-09-2009, 12:13 PM

we'll mess up, we always do.

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 12:15 PM

we'll mess up, we always do.

have you been watching england for the past year and a half? my guess is no.

Flamedragon3

13-09-2009, 01:48 PM

I don't think we will win it, but we should get really close with the team we have. We have the manager to help us win it, it just depends how much determination the squad can put in to win it. As long as the players put as much passion into the game as us fans do, then we should deffinately reach the finals and give it a good push to win it.

I think Spain will win.

Immenseman

13-09-2009, 02:08 PM

Jack.Lfc

13-09-2009, 02:16 PM

I'll lol this time next season when all the english players are getting 'you let your country down' to them. Especially from small club fan's e.g. wolves, saying that, they wont be in the pl next season.:eusa_danc:eusa_danc:eusa_clap:eusa_clap

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 02:20 PM

England aren't close to being the best team in the world, using that logic I'd say no. It wasn't that long ago they got taught a footballing lesson by Spain who eased to victory. I don't see us beating Spain/Holland in a competitive match. I think we're better than France and Italy. I think they both have teams riddled with OAPs. I'm not really sure about South America - regardless of how Argentina play should they play England they'd up their game for obvious reasons. I'm not really sure about Brazil either because I haven't seen them play much but I think I'd rather play Brazil over Holland, Spain and Germany. The Germans always do well.

How can u say we aren't close? we beat the 9th best team in the world 4-1 away, and 5-1 at home, we drew with the 3rd best team in the world, in Holland (after being down 2-0), and we played okay against then the best team in the world, Spain. We are sure to move into the top 5 in the world soon, just behind Brazil, Spain, and Holland. If we keep improving, England always compete well in major tournaments, they always up their game, and we have some of the best players in the world, and arguably one of the best in the world at this moment, in Wayne Rooney, so I ask you, why can't we be the best? (I'm also pretty sure we beat Germany not to long ago, and lost narrowly to France.)

Immenseman

13-09-2009, 02:50 PM

How can u say we aren't close? we beat the 9th best team in the world 4-1 away, and 5-1 at home, we drew with the 3rd best team in the world, in Holland (after being down 2-0), and we played okay against then the best team in the world, Spain. We are sure to move into the top 5 in the world soon, just behind Brazil, Spain, and Holland. If we keep improving, England always compete well in major tournaments, they always up their game, and we have some of the best players in the world, and arguably one of the best in the world at this moment, in Wayne Rooney, so I ask you, why can't we be the best? (I'm also pretty sure we beat Germany not to long ago, and lost narrowly to France.)

Let me remind you what happened in the game with Holland. They were 2-0 up. They were cruising, they take the better players off. Due to said players being substituted England were able to claw their way back into the game and ended up drawing with them.

From the starting XI they put out they changed 50% of their outfield players. Schaars, Van Der Vaart, Robben, Van Persie and Kuyt. These are arguably their best players both of their goal scorers on that night. England were lucky to get back into that game and if Holland hadn't taken those players off the result would have probably been different.

Now for Spain, England received a footballing lesson by Spain who are by far the best inernational team in the world. They weren't slightly better, miles better. Their technical ability is second to none. They are the current European Champions and I wouldn't bet against them winning the World Cup.

I think we can beat France, I think we can beat Italy, I think we will struggle against Germany, Spain and Holland. I don't think we'll be outplayed majorly like we were against Spain a few months ago. I think if we do lose it'll be very close and England will create chances in every game, I just hope we can take them. Something we might not do should Heskey be starting every game, he isn't a goal scorer, unfortunately.

Now don't get me wrong, I'd love England to win the World Cup and will be supporting them 100% and I hope they do go on to lift it. However, I think the expectation of the fans following them at home have actually ensured England never go on to win a major championship.

Don't forget it wasn't that long ago since we didn't even qualify for Euro 2008, I know things have changed since then but people seem to forget far too easy this happens every god damn time England start playing well. People think they're the best team in the world and that pressure opens foundations in the side and will subconciously play a part in the players mentality.

Your argument about Croatia being 9th in the world is flawed because we all know they're not the side they were a couple of years ago. They haven't played as half as well as they did. I will start believing when I see England defeat a quality side (Spain, Germany, Holland, Brazil) ~ lets hope it's next Summer in South Africa.

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 02:57 PM

Let me remind you what happened in the game with Holland. They were 2-0 up. They were cruising, they take the better players off. Due to said players being substituted England were able to claw their way back into the game and ended up drawing with them.

From the starting XI they put out they changed 50% of their outfield players. Schaars, Van Der Vaart, Robben, Van Persie and Kuyt. These are arguably their best players both of their goal scorers on that night. England were lucky to get back into that game and if Holland hadn't taken those players off the result would have probably been different.

Now for Spain, England received a footballing lesson by Spain who are by far the best inernational team in the world. They weren't slightly better, miles better. Their technical ability is second to none. They are the current European Champions and I wouldn't bet against them winning the World Cup.

I think we can beat France, I think we can beat Italy, I think we will struggle against Germany, Spain and Holland. I don't think we'll be outplayed majorly like we were against Spain a few months ago. I think if we do lose it'll be very close and England will create chances in every game, I just hope we can take them. Something we might not do should Heskey be starting every game, he isn't a goal scorer, unfortunately.

Now don't get me wrong, I'd love England to win the World Cup and will be supporting them 100% and I hope they do go on to lift it. However, I think the expectation of the fans following them at home have actually ensured England never go on to win a major championship.

Don't forget it wasn't that long ago since we didn't even qualify for Euro 2008, I know things have changed since then but people seem to forget far too easy this happens every god damn time England start playing well. People think they're the best team in the world and that pressure opens foundations in the side and will subconciously play a part in the players mentality.

Your argument about Croatia being 9th in the world is flawed because we all know they're not the side they were a couple of years ago. They haven't played as half as well as they did. I will start believing when I see England defeat a quality side (Spain, Germany, Holland, Brazil) ~ lets hope it's next Summer in South Africa.

You forgot to mention we were without our best side against Spain, and when Holland also substituted their better players, so did we, don't you remember that? Germany are not who they were, and I'd fancy us beating them, Spain and Brazil are our biggest worries next year.

Euro 2008 was a one off, we had a **** manager, who acted more like a friend to the players, what he did with our team was pathetic, he went into the game against Croatia playing 4-5-1? with Crouch up front, a formation that we had never played? he also played Carson, which was unnecessary, and was the reason why we actually didn't qualify.

I hope your proved wrong next year, because our team has improved so much under the new manager, it's actually quite impressive, IF we keep improving, then I am pretty hopeful.

I'd rather be optimistic than pessimistic.

Jack.Lfc

13-09-2009, 03:14 PM

Put england up against strong opposition and they will be found out.

Immenseman

13-09-2009, 03:15 PM

You forgot to mention we were without our best side against Spain, and when Holland also substituted their better players, so did we, don't you remember that? Germany are not who they were, and I'd fancy us beating them, Spain and Brazil are our biggest worries next year.

Euro 2008 was a one off, we had a **** manager, who acted more like a friend to the players, what he did with our team was pathetic, he went into the game against Croatia playing 4-5-1? with Crouch up front, a formation that we had never played? he also played Carson, which was unnecessary, and was the reason why we actually didn't qualify.

I hope your proved wrong next year, because our team has improved so much under the new manager, it's actually quite impressive, IF we keep improving, then I am pretty hopeful.

I'd rather be optimistic than pessimistic.

Your point about Holland is silly because when we both had our best teams out they were 2-0 up. They then made changes which weakened them, evidently our changes didn't weaken us. I agree Germany aren't what they were but they always do well in major championships - England don't - simple.

You're just one of the masses who put all the pressure on England players, something which Capello has tried to stop but he is forgetting that English fans are far too fickle and will heap the pressure after beating a team 5-1 who were missing their best player, who creates everything.

I haven't even mentioned that our defending has been pretty poor. Against Holland, Slovenia and Croatia, conceding sloppy goals. We get punished against the better teams like shown against Spain or Holland, both who we didn't beat.

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 03:22 PM

You're just one of the masses who put all the pressure on England players, something which Capello has tried to stop but he is forgetting that English fans are far too fickle and will heap the pressure after beating a team 5-1 who were missing their best player, who creates everything.

I haven't even mentioned that our defending has been pretty poor. Against Holland, Slovenia and Croatia, conceding sloppy goals. We get punished against the better teams like shown against Spain or Holland, both who we didn't beat.

what? i'm putting pressure on my team by sticking up for them on a habbo forum? lol...

with good performances (as they have been giving) comes pressure, if they can't handle that then they shouldn't be football players, so that comment is totally un-needed. And yes we conceded 3 sloppy goals, against the 9th best team in the world, 3rd best team in the world, without having one of our main defenders? (ferdinand) - but the fact of the matter is, we scored goals, if you score goals you're either going to win or draw in most cases, unless the other teams attack is better than ours ~ we weren't expected to beat them (Holland, or Spain), we were expected to loose, even if we didn't play better than Holland, we still got the draw, which is all that matters, but yes I agree - friendlies mean nothing, and show nothing, but they show how much England have improved, could you have imagined England in Earlier 2008 playing Holland or Spain? we'd have been beaten 6-0.

Your point about Holland is silly because when we both had our best teams out they were 2-0 up. They then made changes which weakened them, evidently our changes didn't weaken us. I agree Germany aren't what they were but they always do well in major championships - England don't - simple.

the part where you say 'Holland is silly because when we both had our best teams out they were 2-0 up. They then made changes which weakened them, evidently our changes didn't weaken us' - surely that means that ALL AROUND the two teams were evenly matched, our subs were slightly better than theirs, and there starters were slightly better than ours?

you're always going to concede goals against the top 5 teams in the world (especially Spain, Brazil, and Holland), not even Italy would be able to not concede a goal against them, and they're the most defensive team about.

Look at the 2006 world cup, no one was expecting Italy to win it, cause apparantly all their players were 'past it'.

No one was expecting Spain to win Euro 2008, but they did, just. Hell, no one was expecting Russia to get to the semi-finals of Euro 2008, they did it ~ and I don't even need to say anything else, but remember Euro 2004? Greece European champions? But I guess you don't know about that, as you don't really follow football much. :rolleyes:

All you need is belief, and you obviously don't have that.

Immenseman

13-09-2009, 03:31 PM

what? i'm putting pressure on my team by sticking up for them on a habbo forum? lol...

with good performances (as they have been giving) comes pressure, if they can't handle that then they shouldn't be football players, so that comment is totally un-needed. And yes we conceded 3 sloppy goals, against the 9th best team in the world, 3rd best team in the world, without having one of our main defenders? (ferdinand) - but the fact of the matter is, we scored goals, if you score goals you're either going to win or draw in most cases, unless the other teams attack is better than ours ~ we weren't expected to beat them (Holland, or Spain), we were expected to loose, even if we didn't play better than Holland, we still got the draw, which is all that matters, but yes I agree - friendlies mean nothing, and show nothing, but they show how much England have improved, could you have imagined England in Earlier 2008 playing Holland or Spain? we'd have been beaten 6-0.

the part where you say 'Holland is silly because when we both had our best teams out they were 2-0 up. They then made changes which weakened them, evidently our changes didn't weaken us' - surely that means that ALL AROUND the two teams were evenly matched, our subs were slightly better than theirs, and there starters were slightly better than ours?

you're always going to concede goals against the top 5 teams in the world (especially Spain, Brazil, and Holland), not even Italy would be able to not concede a goal against them, and they're the most defensive team about.

Look at the 2006 world cup, no one was expecting Italy to win it, cause apparantly all their players were 'past it'.

No one was expecting Spain to win Euro 2008, but they did, just. Hell, no one was expecting Russia to get to the semi-finals of Euro 2008, they did it ~ and I don't even need to say anything else, but remember Euro 2004? Greece European champions? But I guess you don't know about that, as you don't really follow football much. :rolleyes:

All you need is belief, and you obviously don't have that.

I am taking the same stance as Capello, who you praise continuously yet here you are criticising his methods. We take one game at a time, we haven't played a quality side with him and won. That's a fact. I am basing my opinions on fact, you are basing yours on belief.

That can easily be compared to the classic religion vs science argument. One is a belief, one is a rational opinion based on factual knowledge rather than an illogical method of thinking. There is nothing wrong with what either of us believe. We both want the same thing, England to win the world cup yet we have different ways of going about that.

You, like the majority, believe England will win the world cup because they have qualified so strongly. Me and some others believe that we can't think that just yet because we follow football and have seen it endless times with England, something which you ironically accused me of not following. Yet it's unequivocal you have never followed England in a major championship because they have never done won anything of significance in either of our lifetimes.

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 03:34 PM

I am taking the same stance as Capello, who you praise continuously yet here you are criticising his methods. We take one game at a time, we haven't played a quality side with him and won. That's a fact. I am basing my opinions on fact, you are basing yours on belief.

That can easily be compared to the classic religion vs science argument. One is a belief, one is a rational opinion based on factual knowledge rather than an illogical method of thinking. There is nothing wrong with what either of us believe. We both want the same thing, England to win the world cup yet we have different ways of going about that.

You, like the majority, believe England will win the world cup because they have qualified so strongly. Me and some others believe that we can't think that just yet because we follow football and have seen it endless times with England, something which you ironically accused me of not following. Yet it's unequivocal you have never followed England in a major championship because they have never done won anything of significance in either of our lifetimes.

Wow, now you're just taking it all of topic and talking about stuff that I don't wanna know about and that has no relevance to the thread at all. :S

And please show me where I have criticised Capello, please? really do, because that's something I have not done, either that or you have taken something out of context.

And you say you're taking the same stance as Capello, but hasn't he already stated he believes England can win the world cup? wow, you're taking Capello's stance! not.

Please, show me where I have said that we WILL win the world cup? I said we have a chance, as does everyone, even you have said that somewhere, so that comment was also about yourself.

I have never followed England in a major championship? apart from the fact I went to the England V Ecuardor game in Germany in 2006? yeh... you have no facts to even say stuff like that, after all the times I have been so pissed off and near to tears every time that England have been knocked out in the quaters.

So shoot me for having a little bit of belief and passion for my country.

I'll lol this time next season when all the english players are getting 'you let your country down' to them. Especially from small club fan's e.g. wolves, saying that, they wont be in the pl next season.:eusa_danc:eusa_danc:eusa_clap:eusa_clap

If it was anyone else, I'd be cussing, but ILY baby.

Btw, Wolves r stayin up!!!!!!!!!! :P

Jack.Lfc

13-09-2009, 03:44 PM

Nice convo lads.

Bravo.

Immenseman

13-09-2009, 03:44 PM

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 03:54 PM

I am taking the same stance as him because we both believe England can win the world cup but don't want to get carried away like the rest of the fickle supporters who believe that just because we beat a team rated 9th in the world twice and a load of other part-time footballs in qualifying we can win the world cup.

So now you've gone from saying 'England won't win the world cup' too - ' am taking the same stance as him because we both believe England can win the world cup but don't want to get carried' ~ well done, or are you just saying that because you couldn't answer the questions I asked in my previous post?

I was comparing my statement to an extraneous factor, away from football to try and make it clearer for you but clearly that didn't work, not to worry. I don't think you get what I'm saying and just have to try and belittle my opinion which won't work because it's evident I will continue posting it regardless of what you attempt to do.

Well if it's away from football then I really couldn't care, because I'm talking football, if you wanna talk science, or whatever you were on about, go to another section. (I never did well in Science, I got Ds, LMAO)

If you had followed England as closely as you claim then why on Earth are you allowing yourself to get carried away by believing they will go on and win the world cup for the first time in over 40 years... How many times do I have to tell you that I want this too but it's unrealistic at this moment in time in saying that because the only teams we have played against which are seen as world class in the rankings we have either drawn or lost under Capello.

I'm English, that's what most English people do! I believe cause we have a good side, and a good manager, and their is no denying that, and our team is showing improvements that I am optimistic about, yes, we have drawn or lost against the better teams, but they were friendlies, and meant nothing, and we also played our fringe players, in some (as did they), to give them experience, and we still held up well.

France 1-0, Spain 2-0 and Holland which we drew 2-2. I hope we can beat the best teams next year and go on to lift the cup. We haven't beaten anyone who is seen as world class by the majority of people who are in the know with regards to football. When we beat one of these teams convincingly then I will start believing. Until then, I will remain sceptical.

France was one of Capellos first games (if I remember correctly) and the Holland game showed a vast improvement from the France game. I two hope we can lift the cup next year. We beat Germany 2-1? (im pretty sure) And are you trying to say you're in the know about football? you've never been to a game in your life, I've been to more ENGLAND games than you have hot dinners. I've probably been to more Wolves and England games combine more than you've had a nights rest.

As you should know, the England players have hated playing at Wembley, but in the past few games, they've liked playing their, they're confident their, something which they haven't had before, and that's thanks to Capello, but mainly thanks to themselves, they've shown improvement, and the fans are now believing.

I guess we shall see when we play Brazil? (which I heard is happening soon, haven't heard anything about it though? will have to research.)

CHA!NGANG

13-09-2009, 03:55 PM

VDS retired ages ago.

The following aren't world class:

Cole, Adriano, Juan, Lucio, Xabi Alonso, Cambiasso, Ronaldinho, Fabiano, Adler, Podolski, Mertsacker, Abidal, VDV.

I think we have as much chance as anyone else. It depends on who springs a few surprises but it wouldn't surprise me if Holland or Spain won it - makes a change.

Didn't see this post.

Cole is one of the best LB's in the world, even if he has dipped so yes I think he is. Adriano had the potential to be one of the best and is still a very good player but I can see why you would say he isn't, same goes for Lucio/Adler/Podolski/Mertsacker/VDV. However, Lucio, Alonso, Cambiasso, Ronaldinho, Fabiano and Abidal are all world class and great players in my opinion.

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 03:57 PM

Didn't see this post.

Cole is one of the best LB's in the world, even if he has dipped so yes I think he is. Adriano had the potential to be one of the best and is still a very good player but I can see why you would say he isn't, same goes for Lucio/Adler/Podolski/Mertsacker/VDV. However, Lucio, Alonso, Cambiasso, Ronaldinho, Fabiano and Abidal are all world class and great players in my opinion.

Cole is good, but the others i'm not sure about.

I'll resume this 'debate' when I'm out of the shower, guys! :)

CHA!NGANG

13-09-2009, 04:18 PM

I meant Juan not Lucio for the first part. I think Lucio is one of the best CB's in the world.

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 04:21 PM

I meant Juan not Lucio for the first part. I think Lucio is one of the best CB's in the world.

Lucio? don't be serious? I'd choose Terry or Ferdinand over him any day.

CHA!NGANG

13-09-2009, 04:29 PM

Yeah so would I, but he is still one of the best in the world. I'd rate him behind: Terry, Ferdinand, Puyol, Nesta but I'd say he's in the top 5.

Geraint

13-09-2009, 04:40 PM

No. Always the same isn't it. A few wins over some crappy teams and the world cup's coming back home. Let's face it, it isn't going to happen.

Jack.Lfc

13-09-2009, 04:41 PM

No. Always the same isn't it. A few wins over some crappy teams and the world cup's coming back home. Let's face it, it isn't going to happen.

I agree.

Immenseman

13-09-2009, 04:45 PM

No. Always the same isn't it. A few wins over some crappy teams and the world cup's coming back home. Let's face it, it isn't going to happen.

I agree.
woah. other people who have watched england beat some semi professional teams and win and aren't believing they're the best team in the world. praise the lord. for a minute i thought i was the only sane one.

Andeeh

13-09-2009, 04:57 PM

I dont reckon we will win but maybe semis. Im going to go for the dutch because i just think they are an good international side (solid)

adaym

13-09-2009, 05:24 PM

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 07:35 PM

woah. other people who have watched england beat some semi professional teams and win and aren't believing they're the best team in the world. praise the lord. for a minute i thought i was the only sane one.

wow, ones welsh, and one doesn't give a **** about england, so what is your point?

CHA!NGANG

13-09-2009, 07:45 PM

The only players that deserve world class status:

Buffon, Casillas

Maicon, Ferdinand, Puyol, Terry, Evra

Gerrard, Kaka, Ronaldo, Lampard, Xavi, Iniesta, Pirlo

Rooney, Torres, Eto'o, Ibrahimovic, Messi

It's called world class for a reason folks.

Well that's your opinion, I have a different one. You can't say Maicon deserves it, and Alves/Ramos don't when Ramos, Lahm and Alves are better Full Backs than Maicon, and I've watched all four numberous times. Also, your saying players such as Ribery, Aguero, Pato, Benzema, Henry, Robben e/c/t. I can name a lot more players than that that deserve World Class status :P

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 07:47 PM

i think he forgot to mention ribery and aguero :P

AlexOC

13-09-2009, 07:59 PM

You know what i don't know, but i really hope we do, i can't take it anymore, we have the best league in the world, but we can even put together a decent national team.

Fabio's the man though.

CHA!NGANG

13-09-2009, 08:01 PM

I think this will be Spains year. Both in the Champs League and the World Cup. I can see a Barca - Madrid Champs league final at the Bernabau and a Spain - Brazil Final and Spain winning with England coming 3rd.

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 08:01 PM

I think we should all believe, if we believe, the sky is the limit!!!!!!! (cheesey! :P)

@above; Chelsea will win the CL this year. ;)

adaym

13-09-2009, 08:30 PM

i think he forgot to mention ribery and aguero :P
Aguero is overrated pants, otherwise he'd be somewhere other than Athletico Madrid. Ribery doesn't impress me on the international scene, you have to impress at the very top to be world class (in my opinion, obviously).

Maicon was a dodgy one for me as I don't think any full back in the world is world class. That's just me though.

CHA!NGANG

13-09-2009, 08:33 PM

Aguero is overrated pants, otherwise he'd be somewhere other than Athletico Madrid. Ribery doesn't impress me on the international scene, you have to impress at the very top to be world class (in my opinion, obviously).

Maicon was a dodgy one for me as I don't think any full back in the world is world class. That's just me though.

You surely can't say that about Aguero. The same thing happened with Torres, he was a highly rated talent from a very young age in Spain, but loved his team and said he didn't want to move away but eventually he did and look where he is now. It's the same with Aguero, he loves his team and doesn't want to move away really but when he does, and he will, then he will become as good as Torres, and in my opinion even better.

I agree slightly with the Full back comment. You don't get people the same class as Cafu/Roberto Carlos e/c/t these days, but Alves/Ramos/A.Cole and Lahm are all very very good full backs and the best in the world at the moment.

adaym

13-09-2009, 08:37 PM

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 08:38 PM

You're forgetting A.Cole. :P

CHA!NGANG

13-09-2009, 08:43 PM

Oh yes, they're the best in the business. Not in the same class as Lizarazu, Carlos etc.

I can, and have said that about Aguero. He is overrated tat. Forlan scores nearly every game in La Liga. Terrible for Uruguay. Aguero is good, but about half as good as the majority make him out to be. Not world class, sorry.

I don't personally think he is overated, he is only 20 and is a good player, wait till he has peeked then he will be amazing. I think it's the opposite for Forlan, He isn't terrible for Uraguay, Uraguay is terrible for him. If he played for Spain or some other national side (I know it isn't possible), then he would be a much better international player, but you can't expect him to win the game himself.

One player that I would have said was world class a few years back is Shevchenko, if only he didn't move to Chelsea...

EDIT: Yeah included Cole now :P Clichy will be up there in a few years too.

Geraint

13-09-2009, 09:07 PM

wow, ones welsh, and one doesn't give a **** about england, so what is your point?

so what I'm Welsh, I can still give my opinion. I'm not going to be biased, I'm just say what's going to happen. If it doesn't then well done but I can't see it.

Jack.Lfc

13-09-2009, 09:21 PM

Hxf is going to be gutted when england let everyone down.

StefanWolves

13-09-2009, 09:29 PM

Have faith!!!!!!!!!!! :P

AlexOC

13-09-2009, 10:22 PM

Hxf is going to be gutted when england let everyone down.

Ha, The Habbox Massive

Black_Apalachi

14-09-2009, 11:50 AM

No. I'd say Spain v Brazil final. Ashley Cole is so over-rated btw.

Bun

14-09-2009, 02:29 PM

Jack.Lfc

14-09-2009, 02:31 PM

What would you rather, England win a world cup or Boro promoted?

Bun

14-09-2009, 02:39 PM

i've always said club before country but in this case i'd probs take the world cup.
-boro would just get promoted the season after cos we're mint anyway
-winning the world cup would just prove how superior england is at football
-our mint chairman said he might extend the riverside if we win the world cup, (not that it needs extending ofc lol.)
-it would probably boost our chances of hosting the world cup in 2018 (hopefully with a 40k+ riverside stadium featuring in it if ya get me ;).)

Jack.Lfc

14-09-2009, 02:44 PM

Your mint chairman hasn't sacked southgate yet.

Arron

14-09-2009, 02:48 PM

Honestly? Yes.

Beating teams like Croatia 5-1 is impressive. I'd like to see how we get on against Brazil in a few weeks time.

I can see England cruising up to the quarter finals.

Jack.Lfc

14-09-2009, 02:49 PM

Are england playing brazil? Didnt know that.

Browney

14-09-2009, 06:36 PM

If we're going to do it anytime, it'll be now. We have the Iron General in charge, and Gerrard, Lampard, Rio and Terry aren't getting any younger. And to face a world cup without these players would be fair bizzare because they are all world-class.

Excellent2

14-09-2009, 08:00 PM

We'll get into the final and then Rooney will headbutt someone.

StefanWolves

14-09-2009, 10:34 PM

england for the world cup. i'd rather have that hope and dream than to write them off from the start, and hope i'm wrong because that's not supporting them, that's just following them. and while i'm at it an english club will also win the CL. :8

i've always said club before country but in this case i'd probs take the world cup.
-boro would just get promoted the season after cos we're mint anyway
-winning the world cup would just prove how superior england is at football
-our mint chairman said he might extend the riverside if we win the world cup, (not that it needs extending ofc lol.)
-it would probably boost our chances of hosting the world cup in 2018 (hopefully with a 40k+ riverside stadium featuring in it if ya get me ;).)

Honestly? Yes.

Beating teams like Croatia 5-1 is impressive. I'd like to see how we get on against Brazil in a few weeks time.

I can see England cruising up to the quarter finals.

If we're going to do it anytime, it'll be now. We have the Iron General in charge, and Gerrard, Lampard, Rio and Terry aren't getting any younger. And to face a world cup without these players would be fair bizzare because they are all world-class.

We'll get into the final and then Rooney will headbutt someone.

least some people are is optimistic as me... some people are so pessimistic. :/