View Full Version : New magic mouse and 27" iMac
I got my first Mac around a week ago, went and bought a 24" iMac and was absolutely amazed with it. So I wanted to find out more about it on the internet and went onto the PC World site to check out the specs. AND I SAW IT! For like £300 more a brand new 27", more powerful, better graphics and obviously a bigger screen! Next day I went back and explained my "confusion" between the 2 and they were quite happy to swap once they get it in that store. Today I checked the PC World site and it was available for store reserve in my location so off I went and got it!
The screen is noticeably clearer and it can handle quite a few more things at once with it being more powerful. It ain't the quad core but I had youtube videos, downloads, large games, system updates and installations all going at once on the 24" and I was using about 3/4 of its power so a more powerful version of a more powerful version really isn't necessary for me. :P
Before I had used the mouse and only watched videos of it I had planned to get rid of it with it looking so temperamental. But it is actually pretty awesome. It glides around effortlessly on my desk and the touch/clicking feels so high quality and is very sleek. You can tell it is built well by the weight of it, although you wouldn't think it weighed so much when it's gliding around like a feather.
The mouse gets 9/10 from me. Would be 10/10 if it wasn't for the lack of shortcut buttons. :)
Please no Mac vs Windows comments, I posted this in the Apple section for a reason. :P
Metric1
05-11-2009, 10:32 PM
Congrats on your purchase! Post pics please!
timshaw
05-11-2009, 10:41 PM
Looking at my mouse now I see a very old silver and black thing thats changed colour on the left button from to much clicking... Maybe I should invest in something new.
Pics as requested. Enjoy the 2 megapixel camera of the almighty iPhone!
http://i35.tinypic.com/dfyekh.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/2d9a1qr.jpg
OMG YOU APPLE FIEND! :P
no but seriously, im sure you said in another thread you made the other day that you dont think youd want a 27" cus it would be too big?
Jamesy
05-11-2009, 11:21 PM
I must say those keyboards look pathetic in comparison
OMG YOU APPLE FIEND! :P
no but seriously, im sure you said in another thread you made the other day that you dont think youd want a 27" cus it would be too big?
I said a whole lot of things to myself to convince myself that I didn't need/want the 27". But deep down I was annoyed about not getting the 27". :P
LOL fair enough then. have fun with it. i would buy a mac but with accommodation to come next year, and the need to buy a laptop anyway, buying two computers doesnt seem worth it when i have one now lol
timshaw
05-11-2009, 11:34 PM
I'm so jealous of you now :P
I'm so jealous of you now :P
Bet you're jealous of my manky old wooden desk that is falling to pieces too? :(
Stephen!
05-11-2009, 11:38 PM
I would consider myself a PC fanboy but my god that is gorgeous.
timshaw
05-11-2009, 11:39 PM
Bet you're jealous of my manky old wooden desktop that is falling to pieces too? :(
Well my desk is only a £100 thing from Focus so its not to great :(
Stephen!
05-11-2009, 11:40 PM
Well my desk is only a £100 thing from Focus so its not to great :(
Only? I wouldn't even pay more than 40 quid for a desk :P
GommeInc
05-11-2009, 11:41 PM
It towers over that poor keyboard like it's about to start consuming it :(
Interesting machine anyway, but that screen must hurt your eyes after a while :P
Quite good of them that they swapped it I suppose. I think the mouse looks a bit uncomfortable but I've not tried one so who knows.
Enjoy it anyway ;).
I would consider myself a PC fanboy but my god that is gorgeous.
Thanks for the comment but I'm not going to reply on that with it involving PC and Mac. :P
Only? I wouldn't even pay more than 40 quid for a desk :P
I know what you mean but the prices of desks change quite a lot depending on the type of wood. Wood is crap anyway, chips to easy and stains to easy.
It towers over that poor keyboard like it's about to start consuming it :(
Interesting machine anyway, but that screen must hurt your eyes after a while :P
I've been looking at it for 4 hours now and I can feel my eyes starting to get quite tired. I was tired at the start so I won't decide whether it hurts your eyes or not until I've been on for ages and I'm not tired.
Quite good of them that they swapped it I suppose. I think the mouse looks a bit uncomfortable but I've not tried one so who knows.
Enjoy it anyway ;).
Those were my thoughts exactly, I am surprised how comfy it actually is. The Logitech MX Revolution was much comfier but this one suits me for the things I need a mouse for.
AgnesIO
07-11-2009, 10:06 AM
May I suggest you ask for the apple keyboard with a number pad on for Christmas?
When I went to look at mac's in PC World, the small keyboards look ridiculous on even the smallest machines!
Nonetheless the actual Mac looks fantastic but still - the keyboard to the mac- just no!
May I suggest you ask for the apple keyboard with a number pad on for Christmas?
When I went to look at mac's in PC World, the small keyboards look ridiculous on even the smallest machines!
Nonetheless the actual Mac looks fantastic but still - the keyboard to the mac- just no!
I dunno, never really thought about it before. I'm use to small keyboards as I have always had laptops. I kind of like this pad because it takes up less room on my desk and does match the iMac so yh. It also has little pics of the shortcuts which I'm not sure other non-mac keyboard would have.
AgnesIO
07-11-2009, 03:06 PM
I dunno, never really thought about it before. I'm use to small keyboards as I have always had laptops. I kind of like this pad because it takes up less room on my desk and does match the iMac so yh. It also has little pics of the shortcuts which I'm not sure other non-mac keyboard would have.
No..
You can get apple mac keyboards, made by apple, with numeric pads.
Here's a picture:
http://www.mcn.sk/Doplnky/07kb_top.jpg
ven laptop keyboards have numeric pads.
No..
You can get apple mac keyboards, made by apple, with numeric pads.
Here's a picture:
http://www.mcn.sk/Doplnky/07kb_top.jpg
ven laptop keyboards have numeric pads.
Oh wow I like that, gonna see how much they are and get one today as long as the price is reasonable.
Oh wow I like that, gonna see how much they are and get one today as long as the price is reasonable.
Expensive for what it is. http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB110B/A?fnode=MTY1NDA1Mg&mco=MTE0MDI1MDA
AgnesIO
07-11-2009, 04:25 PM
Expensive for what it is. http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB110B/A?fnode=MTY1NDA1Mg&mco=MTE0MDI1MDA
If you bought when you got your mac you ould of got free :D
To be fair considering apple charge like 15 pounds for a lead, in perspective £28 is good :P
HotelUser
08-11-2009, 05:09 AM
If you bought when you got your mac you ould of got free :D
To be fair considering apple charge like 15 pounds for a lead, in perspective £28 is good :P
I might swear by OS X, but I'm not going to lie about Apple being stupidly expensive. If they played their cards right when Vista came out they could have done a lot more damage (thank god they didn't, though. Apple would be the WORST company to have a monopoly), instead they just sat there selling old hardware with a ridiculous markup.
Apple's keyboards are awesome, but if I didn't get it free with my iMac I would never be caught dead buying any sort of Apple peripherals. I use a Microsoft non Windows compatible mouse with my iMac:)
AgnesIO
08-11-2009, 09:45 AM
I might swear by OS X, but I'm not going to lie about Apple being stupidly expensive. If they played their cards right when Vista came out they could have done a lot more damage (thank god they didn't, though. Apple would be the WORST company to have a monopoly), instead they just sat there selling old hardware with a ridiculous markup.
Apple's keyboards are awesome, but if I didn't get it free with my iMac I would never be caught dead buying any sort of Apple peripherals. I use a Microsoft non Windows compatible mouse with my iMac:)
Now David. I was tempted to -rep you in that other thread, but for this I will change my mind and +rep you.
If Apple were not so expensive, then I would buy pretty much everything apple. But when I then look at it, by the time you buy all the cables they want for different bit's the price hikes.
When I built my custom PC, before that I almost bought an iMac (thank god I didn't, now they released the new ones :D). And yeh I love apple keyboards if they have numeric keyboards, I am not a huge fan of the oens without, not because I NEED the keyboard but because I feel it looks much better with it :D
Went and looked at the Apple keyboards and wasn't really that arsed about it so I spent my money on gran turismo 5 prologue instead. I like having a tiny keyboard because I always have loads of stuff on my desk so like the extra space. In that pic I took I threw everything onto my bed to make it look clear, all the junk is back on my desk now. :8 N yeh I agree that Apple like to have rather large price tags on their items but they wouldn't be known for being more prestige if they didn't do it.
Excellent2
08-11-2009, 01:39 PM
Congrats dude. I'd kill for one of those beauts.
I agree with everyone in this thread that Apple are TOO expensive. I could build a better spec machine for half the price of an iMac.
This is how I see it, if you want a machine that has glory written all over it, go for a Mac. If you want a machine that has performance and has a cheaper price tag, go for a PC.
I, myself am a Mac fan. Purely because I LOVE the design and the uniqueness. A better OS? I wouldn't say that. Windows 7 is shaping up to be fantastic. Mac doesn't offer the features that Windows does, end of.
HotelUser
08-11-2009, 02:52 PM
Now David. I was tempted to -rep you in that other thread, but for this I will change my mind and +rep you.
If Apple were not so expensive, then I would buy pretty much everything apple. But when I then look at it, by the time you buy all the cables they want for different bit's the price hikes.
When I built my custom PC, before that I almost bought an iMac (thank god I didn't, now they released the new ones :D). And yeh I love apple keyboards if they have numeric keyboards, I am not a huge fan of the oens without, not because I NEED the keyboard but because I feel it looks much better with it :D
I did -rep you in the other thread.
AgnesIO
08-11-2009, 02:59 PM
I did -rep you in the other thread.
So? :P
And I +repped you, just because I get a -rep doesn't mean I will return ;)
To be known for having higher class products, you have to make the best and highest quality product you can but not only charge for the product itself but the name/logo that comes with it. All the top designer makes such as Dolce and gabbana, Louis Vuitton, Prada, Armani etc do make very high quality clothes that would be worth more than any other lower brand clothing regardless of the brand but they charge hundreds/thousands of pounds extra because of the brand/logo. This is what Apple have done, they charge loads for simple things like power adapters, cables, keyboards to maintain a good reputation for being the best. It's like whenever people see iPhones they say "wow an iPhone!" and it can be the same with Mac's. But to be honest, the sleek design, materials used to build it, the ridiculously high resolution HD display, the tidiness and enjoyable to use operating system could possibly tempt me to buy this iMac even if it wasn't apple.
Rushed this post but I hope I made a good point.
Kyle!
08-11-2009, 03:03 PM
To be known for having higher class products, you have to make the best and highest quality product you can but not only charge for the product itself but the name/logo that comes with it. All the top designer makes such as Dolce and gabbana, Louis Vuitton, Prada, Armani etc do make very high quality clothes that would be worth more than any other lower brand clothing regardless of the brand but they charge hundreds/thousands of pounds extra because of the brand/logo. This is what Apple have done, they charge loads for simple things like power adapters, cables, keyboards to maintain a good reputation for being the best. It's like whenever people see iPhones they say "wow an iPhone!" and it can be the same with Mac's. But to be honest, the sleek design, materials used to build it, the ridiculously high resolution HD display, the tidiness and enjoyable to use operating system could possibly tempt me to buy this iMac even if it wasn't apple.
this. :)
Agnostic Bear
08-11-2009, 03:05 PM
you have to make the best and highest quality product you can
yeah apple have nice cases, but lol foxconn.
yeah apple have nice cases, but lol foxconn.
I agree. They make nice cases, but the parts inside are just as cheap and low quality as any OEM PC manufacturer (HP, Dell etc.). If you want high quality internal components you have to custom build.
And Foxconn, lol. (their high end stuff isn't too bad actually)
Agnostic Bear
08-11-2009, 03:18 PM
their high end stuff
does not compute
GommeInc
08-11-2009, 05:07 PM
To be known for having higher class products, you have to make the best and highest quality product you can but not only charge for the product itself but the name/logo that comes with it. All the top designer makes such as Dolce and gabbana, Louis Vuitton, Prada, Armani etc do make very high quality clothes that would be worth more than any other lower brand clothing regardless of the brand but they charge hundreds/thousands of pounds extra because of the brand/logo. This is what Apple have done, they charge loads for simple things like power adapters, cables, keyboards to maintain a good reputation for being the best. It's like whenever people see iPhones they say "wow an iPhone!" and it can be the same with Mac's. But to be honest, the sleek design, materials used to build it, the ridiculously high resolution HD display, the tidiness and enjoyable to use operating system could possibly tempt me to buy this iMac even if it wasn't apple.
Now now, don't start making stuff up :P Apple products are expensive. Period. The quality isn't that amazing and doesn't justify their price. Aluminium MacBooks are a maybe, but you're not buying quality through Apple, you're just buying an Apple product - quality and Apple don't go together, same as PC and quality don't go together because there are always different sorts of product - you can get the cheapest of plastic PCs, or a solid metal one made out of high-quality materials, same with low-quality Apple products - Mac Mini? - to the iMac (although I'd opt for the MacBook Pro being higher quality). Apple selling their products as "high-quality" or luxury items, is a load of lies, I've never seen them advertise their products as "high-quality", then again, they're advertisements insult human intelligence anyway, so it's hard to tell what they are trying sell in :P They have quite a bad reputation for price, and their products are down to opinion, rather materials used as the materials used are strangely, used materials - when you imagine glamour, you don't immediately assume "All those fixtures and fittings on a Maybach are used materials", like Apple have labelled the iMac :P
Have you not learnt from your last thread? :P
EDIT: Also, it's the Apple name and logo associated with Apple products that put me off, they're a disgrace as far as companies go and I'll never buy any Apple product because of this. Their products are nice, but it's a shame about the logo :P
Callum.
08-11-2009, 05:17 PM
That is huge!
We have like 40 at school, hard to get used to I find.
Now now, don't start making stuff up :P Apple products are expensive. Period. The quality isn't that amazing and doesn't justify their price. Aluminium MacBooks are a maybe, but you're not buying quality through Apple, you're just buying an Apple product - quality and Apple don't go together, same as PC and quality don't go together because there are always different sorts of product - you can get the cheapest of plastic PCs, or a solid metal one made out of high-quality materials, same with low-quality Apple products - Mac Mini? - to the iMac (although I'd opt for the MacBook Pro being higher quality). Apple selling their products as "high-quality" or luxury items, is a load of lies, I've never seen them advertise their products as "high-quality", then again, they're advertisements insult human intelligence anyway, so it's hard to tell what they are trying sell in :P They have quite a bad reputation for price, and their products are down to opinion, rather materials used as the materials used are strangely, used materials - when you imagine glamour, you don't immediately assume "All those fixtures and fittings on a Maybach are used materials", like Apple have labelled the iMac :P
Have you not learnt from your last thread? :P
EDIT: Also, it's the Apple name and logo associated with Apple products that put me off, they're a disgrace as far as companies go and I'll never buy any Apple product because of this. Their products are nice, but it's a shame about the logo :P
Have you not learnt from the last thread not to create another Mac vs Windows argument...? :$
yeah apple have nice cases, but lol foxconn.
does not compute
Is there really any need for this? You don't see me going into all the windows threads posting about how crap they are. And just to beat you to it, I did indirectly post something in Alex's thread about Windows but that was just a friendly joke. Nobody cares if you dislike mac's, just go use your windows and get on with your geeky little life, NOBODY CARES!!!
That is huge!
We have like 40 at school, hard to get used to I find.
At first I suppose it is a bit like wth... But it's a well known fact that they are easier to use so I don't really see how your still not used to them. :P
Agnostic Bear
08-11-2009, 06:58 PM
Is there really any need for this? You don't see me going into all the windows threads posting about how crap they are. And just to beat you to it, I did indirectly post something in Alex's thread about Windows but that was just a friendly joke. Nobody cares if you dislike mac's, just go use your windows and get on with your geeky little life, NOBODY CARES!!!
Foxconn has nothing to do with Windows. You have no idea what you're talking about and you should let the tech guys chat about Foxconn being useless, go do some fantastic easy film editing and let us talk about what really matters: hardware.
Recursion
08-11-2009, 07:04 PM
To be known for having higher class products, you have to make the best and highest quality product you can but not only charge for the product itself but the name/logo that comes with it. All the top designer makes such as Dolce and gabbana, Louis Vuitton, Prada, Armani etc do make very high quality clothes that would be worth more than any other lower brand clothing regardless of the brand but they charge hundreds/thousands of pounds extra because of the brand/logo. This is what Apple have done, they charge loads for simple things like power adapters, cables, keyboards to maintain a good reputation for being the best. It's like whenever people see iPhones they say "wow an iPhone!" and it can be the same with Mac's. But to be honest, the sleek design, materials used to build it, the ridiculously high resolution HD display, the tidiness and enjoyable to use operating system could possibly tempt me to buy this iMac even if it wasn't apple.
Rushed this post but I hope I made a good point.
My Dell 23" display has a higher x resolution than Apple's 24" display, and although my monitor isn't LED it does cost £450 LESS.
Mine: 2048x1152
Apple: 1920x1200
Also, judging by your posts, you don't really know what you are on about AT ALL, and so, I agree with uhh those guys ^^^
HotelUser
08-11-2009, 07:21 PM
My Dell 23" display has a higher x resolution than Apple's 24" display, and although my monitor isn't LED it does cost £450 LESS.
Mine: 2048x1152
Apple: 1920x1200
Also, judging by your posts, you don't really know what you are on about AT ALL, and so, I agree with uhh those guys ^^^
Where can I get that monitor:P
Where can I get that monitor:P
I *think* it's this one that Tom has http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=320-7641 I originally though it was this, but it's 1920x1080 http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=320-7339 These links are in Canadian dollars for you.
Foxconn has nothing to do with Windows. You have no idea what you're talking about and you should let the tech guys chat about Foxconn being useless, go do some fantastic easy film editing and let us talk about what really matters: hardware.
My Dell 23" display has a higher x resolution than Apple's 24" display, and although my monitor isn't LED it does cost £450 LESS.
Mine: 2048x1152
Apple: 1920x1200
Also, judging by your posts, you don't really know what you are on about AT ALL, and so, I agree with uhh those guys ^^^
Judging from my posts I am not a geek, judging from your posts, you are. I know more than the average about computers but that's about it... At the end of the day, I am having a much better computing time since I got this iMac. My Windows PC might of been better according to you guys but it really wasn't. It's like 2 different groups are arguing over which one is better and one day somebody switches groups and realises that after all the time they have sworn by their group thinking that it was so much better, it actually wasn't. I am so glad that I went from Windows to Mac, if you have nothing nice to say about my conversion then please don't say anything at all, at least not in my thread anyway. :D
Judging from my posts I am not a geek, judging from your posts, you are. I know more than the average about computers but that's about it... At the end of the day, I am having a much better computing time since I got this iMac. My Windows PC might of been better according to you guys but it really wasn't. It's like 2 different groups are arguing over which one is better and one day somebody switches groups and realises that after all the time they have sworn by their group thinking that it was so much better, it actually wasn't. I am so glad that I went from Windows to Mac, if you have nothing nice to say about my conversion then please don't say anything at all, at least not in my thread anyway. :D
I don't think they have anything against you switching, it's just the analogies that you're using and the reasons why you think it's better that are way off the mark.
Agnostic Bear
08-11-2009, 08:15 PM
Judging from my posts I am not a geek, judging from your posts, you are. I know more than the average about computers but that's about it... At the end of the day, I am having a much better computing time since I got this iMac. My Windows PC might of been better according to you guys but it really wasn't. It's like 2 different groups are arguing over which one is better and one day somebody switches groups and realises that after all the time they have sworn by their group thinking that it was so much better, it actually wasn't. I am so glad that I went from Windows to Mac, if you have nothing nice to say about my conversion then please don't say anything at all, at least not in my thread anyway. :D
That lightbulb in your head must not be all that powerful, you see I am talking about hardware and you are talking about software, I don't give a damn about OS X, I care about foxconn who are absolute asses.
That lightbulb in your head must not be all that powerful, you see I am talking about hardware and you are talking about software, I don't give a damn about OS X, I care about foxconn who are absolute asses.
Awesome! Nice life you have there.
http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/Images/Products/SquareUps/46044_633482617881250000.jpg
Have that, might encourage you to go outdoors. ;)
Awesome! Nice life you have there.
http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/Images/Products/SquareUps/46044_633482617881250000.jpg
Have that, might encourage you to go outdoors. ;)
Why do you have this assumption that technology enthusiasts and geeks are anti-social? Most aren't ;). That's what nerds and dweebs are for.
Why do you have this assumption that technology enthusiasts and geeks are anti-social? Most aren't ;). That's what nerds and dweebs are for.
I myself love technology but not to the extent that I nearly cry when other people like technology that I don't. :P
Agnostic Bear
08-11-2009, 09:34 PM
I myself love technology but not to the extent that I nearly cry when other people like technology that I don't. :P
http://imgbear.com/Crap/Images/1257538649213.jpg
That is my expression right now.
GommeInc
08-11-2009, 10:04 PM
Have you not learnt from the last thread not to create another Mac vs Windows argument...? :$
I said no thing and have done no such thing :$ I was merely correcting the rubbish you were posting in your post :rolleyes:
EDIT: Oh dear, using the outdoor insult card? My my, I believe we've won an argument :P
Recursion
08-11-2009, 10:11 PM
Judging from my posts I am not a geek, judging from your posts, you are. I know more than the average about computers but that's about it... At the end of the day, I am having a much better computing time since I got this iMac. My Windows PC might of been better according to you guys but it really wasn't. It's like 2 different groups are arguing over which one is better and one day somebody switches groups and realises that after all the time they have sworn by their group thinking that it was so much better, it actually wasn't. I am so glad that I went from Windows to Mac, if you have nothing nice to say about my conversion then please don't say anything at all, at least not in my thread anyway. :D
http://www.*****.co.uk/1257546633482.jpg
It isn't your thread, you do not own it and this is a public forum, meaning we can post as we please in any thread we wish.
I do consider my self somewhat of a geek, but I go outside? Just last night I was out setting fireworks off for a public display... :eusa_thin
GommeInc
08-11-2009, 10:16 PM
http://www.*****.co.uk/1257546633482.jpg
It isn't your thread, you do not own it and this is a public forum, meaning we can post as we please in any thread we wish.
I do consider my self somewhat of a geek, but I go outside? Just last night I was out setting fireworks off for a public display... :eusa_thin
You know... That quote in your signature seems to sum alot of lifes little scenarios lately :P
Also, I went to a Remembrance Sunday service and talked to alot ot people in my village, go socialising :eusa_danc
EDIT: I could of sworn that was a different image a second ago... Wasn't it a Facepalm :O
Recursion
08-11-2009, 10:24 PM
You know... That quote in your signature seems to sum alot of lifes little scenarios lately :P
Also, I went to a Remembrance Sunday service and talked to alot ot people in my village, go socialising :eusa_danc
EDIT: I could of sworn that was a different image a second ago... Wasn't it a Facepalm :O
I love your quote, it is quite amazing how much it has come in handy!
And I thought this image was more fitting! :P
Perhaps I should of never gotten into an argument with you since technology is your life and it isn't mine. I don't really have anything against any of you, you haven't insulted me (at least I don't think you have) but have only insulted my computing equipment which is understandable seeing as you are nerds. So yeh, I think we got off on the wrong foot and to show my apologies I have dug out a short video that I'm sure would be beneficial for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zCHYrw41tI&feature=fvw
Recursion
08-11-2009, 10:55 PM
We aren't having a go or anything, that iMac is extremely sexy looking, you're very lucky to have it and I definatly wouldn't say no to one if I was offered one, it's just the way your wording your posts about it :P
BTW, Thanks for the video, It certainly made me chuckle :P
GommeInc
08-11-2009, 10:56 PM
Just for the record, I don't mind your choice in product, but the way you described it was a bit misleading and out of touch. And I am no nerd :O I simply don't like Apple because they go against every fibre of the understanding of human intelligence and common sense - the products are fine, but as alot of people would agree, the company sucks :P
We aren't having a go or anything, that iMac is extremely sexy looking, you're very lucky to have it and I definatly wouldn't say no to one if I was offered one, it's just the way your wording your posts about it :P
BTW, Thanks for the video, It certainly made me chuckle :P
Just for the record, I don't mind your choice in product, but the way you described it was a bit misleading and out of touch. And I am no nerd :O I simply don't like Apple because they go against every fibre of the understanding of human intelligence and common sense - the products are fine, but as alot of people would agree, the company sucks :P
It's good to see that you can both be nice but have you watched that video yet? :P
Recursion
08-11-2009, 11:01 PM
I fav'd it so that I can show a certain couple of people tomorrow during my frees :P
AgnesIO
09-11-2009, 07:49 AM
Perhaps I should of never gotten into an argument with you since technology is your life and it isn't mine. I don't really have anything against any of you, you haven't insulted me (at least I don't think you have) but have only insulted my computing equipment which is understandable seeing as you are nerds. So yeh, I think we got off on the wrong foot and to show my apologies I have dug out a short video that I'm sure would be beneficial for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zCHYrw41tI&feature=fvw
Yeh that was a really encouraging video :) I have finally found out girl's are humans too :D
Although saying 'We got off on the wrong foot' and just before that saying they are nerds is a bit comical haha :)
Can you take a picture for my of you at a 178 degree angle of the screen, I expect to be able to read my post when you display the picture :)
Kyle!
09-11-2009, 04:29 PM
Just for the record, I don't mind your choice in product, but the way you described it was a bit misleading and out of touch. And I am no nerd :O I simply don't like Apple because they go against every fibre of the understanding of human intelligence and common sense - the products are fine, but as alot of people would agree, the company sucks :P
The company is awesome, what's your reasoning for Apple 'sucking'?
bigdavecox90
09-11-2009, 06:03 PM
I am also new to the world of Mac.
Bought myself a new 21.5" iMac....
New Magic Mouse is amazing and display is gorgeous.
Recursion
09-11-2009, 06:06 PM
Can you take a picture for my of you at a 178 degree angle of the screen, I expect to be able to read my post when you display the picture :)
This. :P
AgnesIO
09-11-2009, 08:04 PM
This. :P
I am being serious!
Did you hear the next new iMac will have a small screen on the back so you can get a 356 degree view of the screen. A revolution in computing.
Or not.
I am being serious!
Did you hear the next new iMac will have a small screen on the back so you can get a 356 degree view of the screen. A revolution in computing.
Or not.
That'a not possible. You would need at least a triangular system. 180 degrees viewing angle is not possible :8.
AgnesIO
09-11-2009, 08:19 PM
That'a not possible. You would need at least a triangular system. 180 degrees viewing angle is not possible :8.
356 degree's is possible if you had two screens (one pc like an apple mac with a screen on the back) - omg that rhymed.
Anyway :P
GommeInc
09-11-2009, 11:09 PM
The company is awesome, what's your reasoning for Apple 'sucking'?
Their choice of advertising and marketing is terrible. In the US, their Mac adverts don't advertise anything, they just make false judgements on Windows machines. And their attitude is a bit sour, like they rarely admit something is wrong when something IS wrong, they sweep it under the mat and release any fixes with no information. They just seem snobbish and arrogant really, without reason most of the time too. I'm just glad Apple UK have a better (not amazing) attitude than in the US. Oh, and they keep releasing products which feature alot of things that should of come with the originals, and they advertise things in such a way which gives the impression they invented it or it's something amazing when in reality they're lagging behind. The iPhone is an example, and the iPod Nanos with build in radio are an example too :P
Don't get me wrong, the products are fine... just not the company :P
EDIT: Isn't a 360 degree viewing seeing a screen as a circle, while 180 is seeing the back and front? The sides lack a screen so therefore aren't included :P Or am I going about it the wrong way? :P
HotelUser
09-11-2009, 11:32 PM
Their choice of advertising and marketing is terrible. In the US, their Mac adverts don't advertise anything, they just make false judgements on Windows machines. And their attitude is a bit sour, like they rarely admit something is wrong when something IS wrong, they sweep it under the mat and release any fixes with no information. They just seem snobbish and arrogant really, without reason most of the time too. I'm just glad Apple UK have a better (not amazing) attitude than in the US. Oh, and they keep releasing products which feature alot of things that should of come with the originals, and they advertise things in such a way which gives the impression they invented it or it's something amazing when in reality they're lagging behind. The iPhone is an example, and the iPod Nanos with build in radio are an example too :P
Don't get me wrong, the products are fine... just not the company :P
EDIT: Isn't a 360 degree viewing seeing a screen as a circle, while 180 is seeing the back and front? The sides lack a screen so therefore aren't included :P Or am I going about it the wrong way? :P
Microsoft had a big antitrust court case from their own government, because Microsoft bullied other companies to get rid of competition. And you call Apple bad?
GommeInc
09-11-2009, 11:42 PM
Microsoft had a big antitrust court case from their own government, because Microsoft bullied other companies to get rid of competition. And you call Apple bad?
I'm not saying Microsoft are perfect in comparison, but Apple appear to lie about themselves and their products, and paint a fault representation of what you are buying. They think PCs are a company, or come from one particular company, when in reality a PC is like saying "a car", there is no particular make or model, but loads of different companies. They just scream fake to me :P A nagging parent who makes up stuff to big up their children :P
HotelUser
10-11-2009, 12:40 AM
I'm not saying Microsoft are perfect in comparison, but Apple appear to lie about themselves and their products, and paint a fault representation of what you are buying. They think PCs are a company, or come from one particular company, when in reality a PC is like saying "a car", there is no particular make or model, but loads of different companies. They just scream fake to me :P A nagging parent who makes up stuff to big up their children :P
Microsoft's ads made it look like 4 year olds could crop and mail photos. This is a lie.
GommeInc
10-11-2009, 12:46 AM
The thing is, they're actually advertising the product. The Apple adverts don't appear to be advertising anything at all :/ That's the main difference between the two! Microsoft adverts are normal (they may "lie" to some degree, but at least advertise the product(s) like any other company) while Apple don't advertise any factor of their Macs. iPods are advertised, but Macs don't appear to be in their Mac adverts (in the US).
HotelUser
10-11-2009, 12:57 AM
The thing is, they're actually advertising the product. The Apple adverts don't appear to be advertising anything at all :/ That's the main difference between the two! Microsoft adverts are normal (they may "lie" to some degree, but at least advertise the product(s) like any other company) while Apple don't advertise any factor of their Macs. iPods are advertised, but Macs don't appear to be in their Mac adverts (in the US).
Macs are advertised in the Mac ads. Obviously, if they were not, Apple would have changed the campaign because the ads weren't bringing in sales.
GommeInc
10-11-2009, 01:38 AM
Macs are advertised in the Mac ads. Obviously, if they were not, Apple would have changed the campaign because the ads weren't bringing in sales.
Macs are not advertised at all in those adverts, it's just two grown men, PC and Mac. No qualities of a Mac computer are ever shown in these ads, just a name. How they bring in sales is beyond me, they're only advertising the name alongside made up facts such as PCs coming from the same company, which goes on to suggest these adverts are challenging human intelligence - how anyone can buy a computer from an advert selling nothing is beyond rational thinking. They just seem like extremist Mac fanboy ads, purely existing to insult the competition, rather than advertise what a Mac does because either Apple can't find anything to advertise or they're nervous that their systems are not that good in comparison, but will mock the competition anyway. Heck, you learn more about PCs than Macs in those adverts "PCs do this." "Well Macs don't" isn't a very clever advertising scheme :P You end up having to make your own judgements, and some are true.
PC is successful in his job.
Mac doesn't appear to have one.
PC has a loving family.
Mac doesn't mention a family.
PC is polite.
Mac doesn't carry big boxes for women, he merely stands there slagging off or making dull, passing comments :P
They're just terrible advertisements, which is why I think Apple are a dull company and I will never do business with them. It's a shame, because their products would be appealing if the company behind them wasn't so lame and pathetic :/
http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/
The latest one, Broken Promise, advertises nothing :/ Infact, it has no factual information and is pure scepticism - how do Apple know that Windows 7 will be terrible? They don't, but they're happy to **** off the company :P Yet they don't mention the guest account problem, which is lol worthy.
HotelUser
10-11-2009, 02:03 AM
Macs are not advertised at all in those adverts, it's just two grown men, PC and Mac. No qualities of a Mac computer are ever shown in these ads, just a name. How they bring in sales is beyond me, they're only advertising the name alongside made up facts such as PCs coming from the same company, which goes on to suggest these adverts are challenging human intelligence - how anyone can buy a computer from an advert selling nothing is beyond rational thinking. They just seem like extremist Mac fanboy ads, purely existing to insult the competition, rather than advertise what a Mac does because either Apple can't find anything to advertise or they're nervous that their systems are not that good in comparison, but will mock the competition anyway. Heck, you learn more about PCs than Macs in those adverts "PCs do this." "Well Macs don't" isn't a very clever advertising scheme :P You end up having to make your own judgements, and some are true.
PC is successful in his job.
Mac doesn't appear to have one.
PC has a loving family.
Mac doesn't mention a family.
PC is polite.
Mac doesn't carry big boxes for women, he merely stands there slagging off or making dull, passing comments :P
They're just terrible advertisements, which is why I think Apple are a dull company and I will never do business with them. It's a shame, because their products would be appealing if the company behind them wasn't so lame and pathetic :/
http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/
The latest one, Broken Promise, advertises nothing :/ Infact, it has no factual information and is pure scepticism - how do Apple know that Windows 7 will be terrible? They don't, but they're happy to **** off the company :P Yet they don't mention the guest account problem, which is lol worthy.
Gomme no not this again, NO RANTS REQUIRED:P
I already know you dislike the ads, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. HOWEVER, from a marketing point of view they are quite successful advertisements.
Recursion
10-11-2009, 07:20 AM
And why can't Apple run their Mac vs PC ads in any other country outside the USA? Hmm? Oh sorry, it's illegal.
xxMATTGxx
10-11-2009, 07:21 AM
Macs are advertised in the Mac ads. Obviously, if they were not, Apple would have changed the campaign because the ads weren't bringing in sales.
Shame, they are no longer available in this country for obv. reasons.
AgnesIO
10-11-2009, 07:52 AM
Their choice of advertising and marketing is terrible. In the US, their Mac adverts don't advertise anything, they just make false judgements on Windows machines. And their attitude is a bit sour, like they rarely admit something is wrong when something IS wrong, they sweep it under the mat and release any fixes with no information. They just seem snobbish and arrogant really, without reason most of the time too. I'm just glad Apple UK have a better (not amazing) attitude than in the US. Oh, and they keep releasing products which feature alot of things that should of come with the originals, and they advertise things in such a way which gives the impression they invented it or it's something amazing when in reality they're lagging behind. The iPhone is an example, and the iPod Nanos with build in radio are an example too :P
Don't get me wrong, the products are fine... just not the company :P
EDIT: Isn't a 360 degree viewing seeing a screen as a circle, while 180 is seeing the back and front? The sides lack a screen so therefore aren't included :P Or am I going about it the wrong way? :P
This is Apple. Apple. Apple.
Apple can do anything.
There next release, honestly, is having a bent screen, as they do not want the user to actuall see the screen, they just want to make it 'ONE SHEET OF ALLUMINIUM. (LOL at that spelling ;))
HotelUser
10-11-2009, 11:58 AM
Shame, they are no longer available in this country for obv. reasons.
And why can't Apple run their Mac vs PC ads in any other country outside the USA? Hmm? Oh sorry, it's illegal.
It's not Apple's choice to not run them in other countries though. Apple are clearly still running the ads here, because they're doing what Apple wants them to do.
Excellent2
10-11-2009, 01:19 PM
I want this picture :(
AgnesIO
10-11-2009, 04:03 PM
It's not Apple's choice to not run them in other countries though. Apple are clearly still running the ads here, because they're doing what Apple wants them to do.
Brainwashing people?
Recursion
10-11-2009, 04:19 PM
It's not Apple's choice to not run them in other countries though. Apple are clearly still running the ads here, because they're doing what Apple wants them to do.
Uhmm yes it is, it is Apple's marketing department that decides what ads are displayed where, places like the UK have actual laws that say Apple cannot run those ads because they break some of them. (Probably the slagging off another company or something similar)
HotelUser
10-11-2009, 08:07 PM
Uhmm yes it is, it is Apple's marketing department that decides what ads are displayed where, places like the UK have actual laws that say Apple cannot run those ads because they break some of them. (Probably the slagging off another company or something similar)
Yeah, exactly, it's not Apple's choice to not run the ads where they're banned.
GommeInc
10-11-2009, 11:38 PM
Doesn't really disprove the fact that Apple ads are a terrible form of advertisement :P "They're not advertising anything" is kinda correct, in the UK an advertisement has to advertise a product (it's not rocket science). In the US though, advertisements or "commercials" aren't always advertisements, sometimes they're just jokes or something humourous with which the advert ends with the company name. In the UK, belittling another company, serious or not, isn't an advertisement and therefore sees no reason to appear on the televsion, a newspaper, bus stop, leaflet etc. Budweiser adverts (with chameleons) which didn't show the product, were advertising it because the three chameleons were saying "Bud" "Why" "ser", the name of the product, a huge difference. With the Apple adverts in the UK which had the two comedians David Mitchell and Robert Webb, didn't they take off - probably because people preferred David Mitchell as PC, and found him amazing and somewhat belittling to Mac, but ultimately they really did not appear to advertise anything. But us brits have strange humour, we seem to mock the messages in adverts, and pay little attention to authority :P
Without trying to feed the argument here I would just like to say that I actually find the Apple Ads quite good. From what I remember they concentrate on 1 fact for the advert. Like PC would say "hey do you want me to give you this anti-virus softare?" and Mac would say "Nah it's ok, Mac's don't need anti-virus software because..... blah blah" etc. So they do actually have a fact hidden in there. I do think some of them are quite funny but I am an Apple fan boy so maybe I just would...
Recursion
18-11-2009, 10:36 PM
I'd just like to point out that there are viruses for Mac.
I'd just like to point out that there are viruses for Mac.
Yeh I know but the chance of getting one (providing you don't download illegal stuff or pr0n) is a tiny, tiny amount isn't it? :P
Recursion
19-11-2009, 07:26 AM
Yeh I know but the chance of getting one (providing you don't download illegal stuff or pr0n) is a tiny, tiny amount isn't it? :P
It still counts! :P
AgnesIO
19-11-2009, 07:37 AM
Yeh I know but the chance of getting one (providing you don't download illegal stuff or pr0n) is a tiny, tiny amount isn't it? :P
I VERY seldomly get viruses on my PC too.
EDIT: On my new one which I have been using for 2 and a bit months, I have NEVER got a virus :D
HotelUser
20-11-2009, 12:07 PM
I VERY seldomly get viruses on my PC too.
EDIT: On my new one which I have been using for 2 and a bit months, I have NEVER got a virus :D
If you're smart then you wont get many viruses. But the fact still remains that you're safer from viruses on OS X.
GommeInc
20-11-2009, 12:16 PM
If you're smart then you wont get many viruses. But the fact still remains that you're safer from viruses on OS X.
That's not a fact at all, that's a terrible generalisation :rolleyes: THE fact is, "you're safe from ANY viruses on ANY Operating System, provided YOU don't find them and let them access".
Viruses don't "just appear" on an OS, they're usually caught from damn right ignorance for which the fleshy meat bag behind the computer is responsible. So no, you're fact is pure bile. An idiot using OS/X can gain a virus, the same goes for gaining a virus on Windows - the main difference is whether or not you're stupid enough to let access to a virus, either through an email, website or download.
So yeah, you just posted typical Apple user bile - fogged judgement and typical contradictions :rolleyes:
"If you're smart enough you won't get viruses." - That's half-fact. "Any viruses" is closer to the truth.
"But the fact remains you're safer from viruses on OS X" - Isn't fact, and contradicts the first sentence - the OS isn't to blame, it's the idiot behind it...
The last sentence looks to just be chucked in to cause a stir to be honest :/
AgnesIO
20-11-2009, 04:33 PM
If you're smart then you wont get many viruses. But the fact still remains that you're safer from viruses on OS X.
Yeh but it is also fact I could not get any LESS viruses if I bought an apple mac, than I have recieved on my Microsoft based OS PC. Fact.
HotelUser
20-11-2009, 08:28 PM
Yeh but it is also fact I could not get any LESS viruses if I bought an apple mac, than I have recieved on my Microsoft based OS PC. Fact.
You're at greater risk. FACT!
That's not a fact at all, that's a terrible generalisation :rolleyes: THE fact is, "you're safe from ANY viruses on ANY Operating System, provided YOU don't find them and let them access".
Viruses don't "just appear" on an OS, they're usually caught from damn right ignorance for which the fleshy meat bag behind the computer is responsible. So no, you're fact is pure bile. An idiot using OS/X can gain a virus, the same goes for gaining a virus on Windows - the main difference is whether or not you're stupid enough to let access to a virus, either through an email, website or download.
So yeah, you just posted typical Apple user bile - fogged judgement and typical contradictions :rolleyes:
"If you're smart enough you won't get viruses." - That's half-fact. "Any viruses" is closer to the truth.
"But the fact remains you're safer from viruses on OS X" - Isn't fact, and contradicts the first sentence - the OS isn't to blame, it's the idiot behind it...
The last sentence looks to just be chucked in to cause a stir to be honest :/
Spare yourself the essay, FACT: OS X has less viruses than Windows, regardless of how moronic the computer owner is, there's less of a chance s/he will get a virus on OS X:)
AgnesIO
20-11-2009, 09:12 PM
You're at greater risk. FACT!
Spare yourself the essay, FACT: OS X has less viruses than Windows, regardless of how moronic the computer owner is, there's less of a chance s/he will get a virus on OS X:)
OMG I AM AT GREAT RISK.
And you are at greater risk at being ripped off (oh wait, already happened.)
No virus I have ever got has been too bad. Just click heal on what ever AV you use, or 'sned it to a vault'
Kerching. all done.
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Might I also point out that there is a KEY reason OS X has less chance of getting viruses?
Because there are so many more programs available for winodws that OS X.
Fact.
HotelUser
20-11-2009, 09:56 PM
OMG I AM AT GREAT RISK.
And you are at greater risk at being ripped off (oh wait, already happened.)
No virus I have ever got has been too bad. Just click heal on what ever AV you use, or 'sned it to a vault'
Kerching. all done.
---
Might I also point out that there is a KEY reason OS X has less chance of getting viruses?
Because there are so many more programs available for winodws that OS X.
Fact.
The iMacs are not overpriced. It's their towers and laptops.
Why are you trying to spark an argument, I was just stating a FACT :)
Recursion
20-11-2009, 11:08 PM
The iMacs are not overpriced. It's their towers and laptops.
Why are you trying to spark an argument, I was just stating a FACT :)
I totally disagree, all of Apple's products are overpriced BUT the MacBook (Pro)s.
GommeInc
21-11-2009, 01:13 AM
Spare yourself the essay, FACT: OS X has less viruses than Windows, regardless of how moronic the computer owner is, there's less of a chance s/he will get a virus on OS X:)
At least you cleared up what you were suggesting :P The post I quoted made it look like the OS is clearly to blame when most of the blame should go to the fleshy thing sat infront of it :P Though a virus on a Windows machine is only a slight disruption, with alot of the popular anti-viruses picking up any potential threats near-immediately. Not exactly sure what a Mac virus can do, so no comment about them really :/
Anyway, the virus argument is a bit dead and buried :P Both systems are suggested to have an anti-virus or security centre of some sort, so the number of viruses goes regardless, and generally speaking, an anti-virus on a Windows machine has more chance of knowing what to do with the experience behind the companies making these scanners, than a Mac scanner. But then again, I know very little about Mac anti-viruses. So give or take, they're both about as reliable as each other security wise :/
Oh, and iMacs are so over-priced - mainly the add-ons. A 2TB hard-drive shouldn't cost as much as they are suggesting :/
Oh, and an argument doesn't get sparked - he is merely backing up his argument with facts, as did you. It's so frustrating when people assume "arguments" are troll/fisticuff/flame wars, when the original form is just, for example, a box of factual information/opinion which you give to someone, and you take on their box (argument) and return it with counter-arguments. Woe is the argument, it never meant to cause pain :(
HotelUser
21-11-2009, 01:43 AM
At least you cleared up what you were suggesting :P The post I quoted made it look like the OS is clearly to blame when most of the blame should go to the fleshy thing sat infront of it :P Though a virus on a Windows machine is only a slight disruption, with alot of the popular anti-viruses picking up any potential threats near-immediately. Not exactly sure what a Mac virus can do, so no comment about them really :/
Anyway, the virus argument is a bit dead and buried :P Both systems are suggested to have an anti-virus or security centre of some sort, so the number of viruses goes regardless, and generally speaking, an anti-virus on a Windows machine has more chance of knowing what to do with the experience behind the companies making these scanners, than a Mac scanner. But then again, I know very little about Mac anti-viruses. So give or take, they're both about as reliable as each other security wise :/
Oh, and iMacs are so over-priced - mainly the add-ons. A 2TB hard-drive shouldn't cost as much as they are suggesting :/
Oh, and an argument doesn't get sparked - he is merely backing up his argument with facts, as did you. It's so frustrating when people assume "arguments" are troll/fisticuff/flame wars, when the original form is just, for example, a box of factual information/opinion which you give to someone, and you take on their box (argument) and return it with counter-arguments. Woe is the argument, it never meant to cause pain :(
Apple peripherals are outrageous. Their 500GB harddrives are like $300 dollars. And their monitors are over $1000 dollars.
In North America, though, their AIOs prices are comparable to other manufactures AIOs. I know in Europe computers in general are more pricey, but here at least, the new i7 27" iMacs are not marked up too much.
I totally disagree, all of Apple's products are overpriced BUT the MacBook (Pro)s.
LOL oh well. At least we both believe we got our Macs at a good price:)
GommeInc
21-11-2009, 01:46 AM
Rub in the cheaper prices over in the US why don't you :P Are they actually manufacteured by Apple? Not that it makes any difference, just wondering :)
ver here, the prices Apple put on some of their products are far from justifiable, borderline disgraceful really - usually the add-ons like the Hard-Drives mentioned. It's shocking :/
AgnesIO
21-11-2009, 10:18 AM
The iMacs are not overpriced. It's their towers and laptops.
Why are you trying to spark an argument, I was just stating a FACT :)
I agree that in the US iMac's are fantastic prices. Come over and buy in the UK though, and it feels like they are trying to make you bankrupt! :P
I mean the 27in iMac with i7 Processor is.. £1,758.99incl. VAT - that is expensive imo xD
However in the US for the same thing it is 2199$. Now is the shocking bit. If you cpnvert that in to pounds it would cost a minimal £1333.
Now I am pretty sure it does not cost £420 per mac to get it over here :P
Rub in the cheaper prices over in the US why don't you :P Are they actually manufacteured by Apple? Not that it makes any difference, just wondering :)
ver here, the prices Apple put on some of their products are far from justifiable, borderline disgraceful really - usually the add-ons like the Hard-Drives mentioned. It's shocking :/
Agreed with that.
For 8GB of ram (2x4gb) they charge a HUGE £480 - I mean WHAT?!
Jamesy
22-11-2009, 12:48 PM
I agree that in the US iMac's are fantastic prices. Come over and buy in the UK though, and it feels like they are trying to make you bankrupt! :P
I mean the 27in iMac with i7 Processor is.. £1,758.99incl. VAT - that is expensive imo xD
However in the US for the same thing it is 2199$. Now is the shocking bit. If you cpnvert that in to pounds it would cost a minimal £1333.
Now I am pretty sure it does not cost £420 per mac to get it over here :P
Agreed with that.
For 8GB of ram (2x4gb) they charge a HUGE £480 - I mean WHAT?!
oh I know what you mean about ram. 4gb upgrade for my macbook is £160 from apple :rolleyes:
£50 fom crucial :eusa_danc
4GB modules of RAM are extremely expensive at the moment as they're very new. 8GB modules are available though.
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listmodule/DDR2/list.html
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listmodule/DDR3/list.html
AgnesIO
22-11-2009, 06:54 PM
4GB modules of RAM are extremely expensive at the moment as they're very new. 8GB modules are available though.
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listmodule/DDR2/list.html
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listmodule/DDR3/list.html
£192 for 8GB in 4gbx2..
Yet APple charge £480?
Yeh that is a rip off Nick :P
GommeInc
22-11-2009, 07:19 PM
£192 for 8GB in 4gbx2..
Yet APple charge £480?
Yeh that is a rip off Nick :P
Indeed, the excuse "they fit it for you" doesn't fit in here either. I think I read somewhere that common business practice is to supply the equipment (£192) and fit it for half the price of the product (£96). Paying more than £300 is considered a rip off, heck paying more than £200 is quite extortionate seeing as you don't really have to do much with upgrade RAM on a computer, compared to parts of a car for example :P
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