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[hah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Z31ywAV_4

I think James Cameron always makes brilliant movies and this looks so good. I can't wait to see it.

What do you think? Will you be going to see it?

[Misawa]

I have no idea what to expect. It's been hailed by Cameron as "groundbreaking" with the most realistic special effects ever. Yet, the trailers so far haven't impressed me and the CGI is bog-standard Hollywood CGI. Those blue creatures look incredibly unrealistic.

As I said, I have no idea what to expect. I'm not hyped to see it, I just don't know. :S I predict that Aliens will remain his masterpiece.

[hah]

I have no idea what to expect. It's been hailed by Cameron as "groundbreaking" with the most realistic special effects ever. Yet, the trailers so far haven't impressed me and the CGI is bog-standard Hollywood CGI. Those blue creatures look incredibly unrealistic.

As I said, I have no idea what to expect. I'm not hyped to see it, I just don't know. :S

I think it will be the film of the year tbh

[dirrty]

i deffo wanna see it, looks gd

[Misawa]

Well, any unreleased film has that potential. It was supposed to come out in May originally, but got pushed back. I just don't know, I can't see it reaching the hype, which will have people disappointed, which is mainly why I never choose to believe hype until I see the product for myself. I can see it being good, but not great. Only time will tell.

[Neversoft]

I can't wait to see it. The trailer blew me away as soon as I saw it, then when they used 'My Name Is Lincoln' from The Island in the second trailer it blew me away even more. Of course they're only trailers and it could be one of those not so uncommon cases where the trailer is better than the movie, but my expectations are really high and I have a feeling the movie itself will be fantastic. I haven't looked so forward to a film in a long time. Can. Not. Wait!

[Misawa]

Well, I hope you enjoy it. I'm not hyped for it, but it's supposed to be one to watch in the cinema... I just don't know. I may catch it in January before I start the movie shoot.

[Sammeth.]

I've got my tickets booked to see it at our local IMAX Theatre. Gotta see it how it was intended to be seen, which I hope is gonna be awesome. To be fair, it was ever since Leona Lewis was announced to be sining the end credits theme tune that I got a little bit more interested. I had seen trailers and was like meh, then after that I started watching more and more, and getting some background information on the amount of groundbreaking technology that is being poured into this film, then I thought it looks actually quite amazing. I hope the plot lives up the fantastic, best CGI I've ever seen. Ever.

[FlyingJesus]

Looks alright prob see it just so I know what everyone else is on about after it comes out

[Black_Apalachi]

I do intend to go see it. I'm guessing it's related to the cartoon/anime?

[Misawa]

No, it's an original film. Cameron has had the script for years and years but felt that the technology wasn't at the level it needed to be to bring his vision to life.

[Neversoft]

I do intend to go see it. I'm guessing it's related to the cartoon/anime?

The film adaptation of the cartoon is called The Last Airbender (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0938283/). That's going to be released next year, and is directed by M. Night Shyamalan, not James Cameron.

[hah]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a188614/sam-worthington-signs-for-avatar-trilogy.html

Never knew it was a trilogy

[Sammeth.]

Innit, this film was concieved way before that gay little airbender.

[Black_Apalachi]

No, it's an original film. Cameron has had the script for years and years but felt that the technology wasn't at the level it needed to be to bring his vision to life.


The film adaptation of the cartoon is called The Last Airbender (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0938283/). That's going to be released next year, and is directed by M. Night Shyamalan, not James Cameron.

OK that's really weird because aren't there like blue people in the Avatar cartoon?

[Misawa]

I've no idea, but Cameron's had the idea since '94.

[Butterfly]

I, myself, do not know what to expect either, it seems the film itself is sopose to be the film of the year, but at the moment I have my doubts, as it seems too much as a console game, also doesn't the blue creatures remind you too much of X-men, that woman.

[Neversoft]

OK that's really weird because aren't there like blue people in the Avatar cartoon?

Nope, there aren't.

[Misawa]

I just read a review that's found its way online via Gawker. The reviewer said the special effects are "vomit-inducing", and while the film has some "beautiful moments", it's "one big horrible piece of ****,".

Take from it what you wil..

[Neversoft]

I have read the review also, but I find it very hard to believe the anonymous reviewer has even seen the film. Just some loser trying to get more hits for their website.

[Black_Apalachi]

Nope, there aren't.

ok my bad


I just read a review that's found its way online via Gawker. The reviewer said the special effects are "vomit-inducing", and while the film has some "beautiful moments", it's "one big horrible piece of ****,".

Take from it what you wil..

lmao!!!

[Fez]

I don't trust Gawker (website that reviewed it)

And I'm pretty sure there's a law or something that stops journos from posting reviews early. IGN, Gamespot and Gametrailers usually post their game reviews around the same date. Not sure if it is the same with film.

[Misawa]

Yes, they sign embargos, but they are always broken anonymously.

[Sammeth.]

The first full screening of the film is on the 10th December, which press are invited to. I don't think that review is very credible, as there's nothing incriminating in it, as in nothing in that review can be verified once the film is released. It doesn't reference anything specific in the film at all, so once its released no one can exactly say "Oh yeah, that review from Gawker mentioned this bit".

[Fez]

Footage just released.

http://uk.movies.ign.com/dor/objects/800318/avatar/videos/avatar_trl_thanator_chase.html;jsessionid=7bq6sd9a lrfm

Watch it in HD.

I think this actually looks quite amazing.

[Misawa]

The creature looks awful. It's just your usual standard big-budget Hollywood CGI. The only thing good about that footage is the motion-capture with the overlayed CGI, but everything looks so silly. As a friend said yesterday, it looks like a $300M video game.

[Sammeth.]

Looks amazing, and that clip made me think a lot better about it than the trailer did. Already booked my tickets for the 16th cus Im that hardcore. Gonna go IMAX it up.

[Sammeth.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7b3udV414s
Thats theme, sung by our very own Leona was released yesterday. I have a feeling certain people, like hardcore movie fans, won't be fan, but I do beleive it has got a bit of Oscar buzz surrounding it already.

[Misawa]

The world premiere was yesterday in London and there have been press screenings over the last few days. Colleagues of mine in the press have said it's all about the visuals and is flat everywhere else. Empire gave it 5 stars, but that is to be expected as they're known for their way-off-the-mark reviews. Apparently the script is pretty clunky. I will continue to bide my time over this until more reviews are released...

[Misawa]

Reading deeper into the review spectrum adds to what I said above. The general consensus thus far is that it's visually awe-inspiring, but that's where it ends; the characters are cliched cookie cutters and the story is horizontal. The more well-known review websites, like IGN, are telling all of the negative elements, yet apparently seem to be so clouded as to seemingly ignore the negatives that they wrote about and basically say that the film is fantastic at 4.5/5 stars. I'm sorry, but a film that has a weak story and cliched characters that completely relies on its CGI does not appeal to me, nor shows the signs of a well-made film. I'm waiting on more reviews, but many are saying the same thing, and the more independent the review (the more intelligent), the less favour there is for this film. It sounds like James Cameron has created a Michael Bay film.

[kk.]

Reading deeper into the review spectrum adds to what I said above. The general consensus thus far is that it's visually awe-inspiring, but that's where it ends; the characters are cliched cookie cutters and the story is horizontal. The more well-known review websites, like IGN, are telling all of the negative elements, yet apparently seem to be so clouded as to seemingly ignore the negatives that they wrote about and basically say that the film is fantastic at 4.5/5 stars. I'm sorry, but a film that has a weak story and cliched characters that completely relies on its CGI does not appeal to me, nor shows the signs of a well-made film. I'm waiting on more reviews, but many are saying the same thing, and the more independent the review (the more intelligent), the less favour there is for this film. It sounds like James Cameron has created a Michael Bay film.

i suppose what ive been saying for the past month or so that scripts and characters arent everything is actually... true... as i said then, its not all about camera angles, you can like something just for the hell of it.

[Misawa]

Yes, you can, but with the hype and stigma surrounding this film, it needs to be great, and clearly from the response thus far it isn't. Every film needs strong characters and a good story, and this is a film that just has to deliver, or people will surely be gutted.

[Sammeth.]

From the reviews I've read so far it sounds great, can't wait till I see it not long now!

[Neversoft]

Its out tomorrow, or later today in some places. I'm gonna go see it with a couple of friends on friday. We haven't booked tickets so we're gonna go to the earliest showing hoping people are still in bed or at work/school. Can't wait!

[Misawa]

If it's at 9am in the morning DO NOT get a drink.

I was offered tickets to an advanced screening tonight, but turned them down.

[hah]

why should he not get a drink at 9am lol

[Black_Apalachi]

Looks like I'm going to see it tomorrow in FACT. I'm not getting my hopes up, my mate is mental about it though lol.


If it's at 9am in the morning DO NOT get a drink.

I was offered tickets to an advanced screening tonight, but turned them down.

Will it be warm or not nice or something?

[Misawa]

Well, when I wrote for a newspaper and regularly went to press screenings in the morning, you could taste the daily pipe cleaner in the drink. Always.

[Black_Apalachi]

Ew, is it not bad for you? :O

[Misawa]

No, it's cleaned out, but leaves a taste, like some washing up liquids. But it makes Coca-Cola on ice taste like bleach on ice.

[Black_Apalachi]

Lol well thanks for the heads up, I'm not going until tomorrow evening though so I'll be fine ;).

[ben]

Saw it today with a film trip it is great, also saw English movie 'Exam' coming out on 8th of Jan, also good for a low budget 1 room film.

[le harry]

Saw it today with a film trip it is great, also saw English movie 'Exam' coming out on 8th of Jan, also good for a low budget 1 room film.

are you talking about paranormal activity?

[MrPinkPanther]

Avatar was fantastic. The effects were phenomenal, the story was great and there was a perfect balance of action and story. I really enjoyed it.

[Black_Apalachi]

Avatar was fantastic. The effects were phenomenal, the story was great and there was a perfect balance of action and story. I really enjoyed it.

This is like my third time saying it, but after all this is the actual thread for it :P but I completely concur with FlyDuo. Honestly, I can't describe how awesome it is. Fair enough, it is my first time watching anything in 3D (and I got very excited when a few commercials came on in 3D, THEN A TOY STORY MINI TRAILER TYPE OF THING!!!!!!!!) but if you disregard the visuals and look at it as a film in its own right, it is still fantastic. It cost me like £7 but even if I didn't get to keep my "Real D" 3D specs, it was well worth it.

As for drinks, that was actually the nicest Pepsi I have ever drunk. Honestly lol, usually I barely notice a difference even between Coke and Pepsi but this was dead nice for some reason :P.

[Misawa]

Every review I read says the story is recycled and predictable every step of the way and the characters are cliched as hell. I'm going to see it simply because it will not be the same film when on a home entertainment format, so I want in, which it's a major problem, becuase 95% of reviews say the visuals are amazing and the only real good element, but when on a TV, the film will be totally flat.

[Black_Apalachi]

Well I may be wrong (again :P), but I went in with the same attitude as you and as soon as I came out, my first words were; 'well I was wrong!'.

[Misawa]

I'm just going based on every review I've read.

[Black_Apalachi]

In all honesty I never read reviews (beforehand at least) because I don't want my opinion to be pre-determined or influenced at all. Perhaps I paid too much attention to people saying it was going to be poor which then caused the film to turn out way above my expectations. But I don't think that's the case here.

[Browney]

I HATE reviews. They can say a film is the worst film they've ever seen, but I will still have fun watching it, even if it's just to laugh at how bad it is. Very rarely do I agree with review that calls any film eye scratchingly horrible. I can find enjoyable moments in any film. I'd say that I'M a real film lover. ;)

[Jahova]

Good film in 3D, saw it yesterday.

[[Chris]]

Yeah, i watched it in 3d yesterday. Imax was sold out

I liked it - I didnt think it'd be that good. But it was very good. The CGI Was VERY good..

Its worth a watch.

[Misawa]

I am seeing it tomorrow/later today.

[Black_Apalachi]

I am seeing it tomorrow/later today.

Did you see it today???

[Misawa]

No, Paranormal Activity again today, followed by Peter Jackson's Braindead. Avatar in 3D tomorrow night.

[Misawa]

I just got back from seeing it. It might as well have been a Michael Bay film in the third dimension. Predictable every step of the way, recycled storyline, cookie cutter characters, bad jokes, bad script, and the effects didn't wow me as much as I had hoped. Sure, they're by far the best 3D effects ever created, but I wasn't immersed in the world. There is nothing original about the film - it completely relies on the 3D gimmick. Seeing it in 2D would be truly awful. 3/5 stars.

[Neversoft]

I also just got back, despite seeing it at 2:10pm. Damn buses decide they're not going to run anymore because it starts snowing again, thanks for the inconvience guys! Had to walk five miles in the freezing cold weather and belting snow. I hate you Arriva!

Now thats out of the way... I saw the film in 2D and loved it. I agree with you Misawa, the concept isn't very original, but despite that I was fully immensed in the characters and story for the whole length of the film. It's one of those movies that really allows you to escape reality for the few hours its on. Also, I've seen some people say it just looked like a three hour video game cutscene, well to that I say tosh. The effects were amazing, and incredibly realistic. If the film is still showing in January I might consider going to see it again, but this time in 3D. For now though I am entirely satisfied. Money well spent.

[kk.]

my dads being a complete arse about it. I picked today to go see it, and he moans about how hes bored in the house cus hes off work for christmas and so he then decides to pick today to go shopping. he couldve picked any other day. then he goes on about how kids will be there with their mobiles and what not so its best to go at night. NO DAD. ITS NOT. Theyll be there in the day and night since its the holidays you complete ******! ARGH.

anyway, i probs wont get to go see it now :(

[Neversoft]

There were some really annoying kids sitting at the back making loads of noise when I went to see it. Some big bloke told them to shut the hell up just after the movie started though. It seemed to work.

[Misawa]

By watching in 3D you can guarantee no one will be looking at their phones with those glasses on.

[kk.]

LOL fair play, but the town im in will no doubt fill the cinema with a load of idiots that would wait after the viewing lol.

oh i know, that was the other thing. i was like, why would people be watching their phone when they wouldnt be able to anyway? :S

[Neversoft]

People who look at their phone in the cinema should die.

[Hiro]

My only dismay was that it was a recycled storyline, I did enjoy it though.

[Black_Apalachi]

You make it sound like the story is exactly the same as dozens of other films. I know it's not original but it's hardly that bad. It didn't even seem to matter for me anyway.

[kk.]

i think you should come visit ur auntie and go see it with me :(

[Black_Apalachi]

that's the most depressing thing i've heard for ages

[Wig44.]

I saw it toda yand it was amazing. I loved it, although it's a recycled storyline I still thoroughly enjoyed it and loved the stunning visuals. This is why I don't read anything about/reviewing the film except watch a couple of trailers.

[kk.]

I really wanna go see the film tho n I'm well not going by myself ):

[Jessie]

I saw it and thought it was amazing, bit predictable but still deffo worth seeing ;D

[--liger--]

I saw it just tonight! It was awesome! I was drawn into this movie from the start and fell in love. I am the kind of person who likes movies such as these and I would def recommended this film to anyone. The graphics involved are superb and top of the line you can barely even tell that the green screens and blue screens are there. The movie is rather long (3 Hours) but it was worth it completely.

I give this movie a 10/10.:eusa_danc

[le harry]

recycled storyline? i don't exactly watch many movies but what movie has a similar storyline to that ;s

[Hiro]

recycled storyline? i don't exactly watch many movies but what movie has a similar storyline to that ;s

Dances with Wolves is practically the same storyline. Main character doesn't have working legs, man befriends "enemy". Military hate man.

[Misawa]

recycled storyline? i don't exactly watch many movies but what movie has a similar storyline to that ;s

Pocahontas for a start.

[The Don]

Going to see it now, ill give you my opinion when i get back from the showing...

[Black_Apalachi]

Dances with Wolves is practically the same storyline. Main character doesn't have working legs, man befriends "enemy". Military hate man.

Both are EPIC movies. As far as I'm concerned, if it can pull it off as well as whatever it is "copying", then it's not a big deal.

[Fifteen]

Saw Avatar today, oh my life! It is one of the best films I've ever watched! Planned on seeing it in 3D but it was sold out :( But so going to see it in 3D. Immense.
<3<3<3

[dogboy123]

I saw it in 3d and it was amazing, I didn't find the storyline pradictable and found it alla great.

The 3d effects were absolutley amazing

[Misawa]

The effects were indeed great but it's the only good thing about the film.

[Fez]

Effects don't make a movie, story and characters do.

*sigh*

[Black_Apalachi]

Effects don't make a movie, story and characters do.

*sigh*

But what was wrong with the characters? I thought they were fantastic and the actors also did a great job considering most of their scenes were in CGI or whatever, and especially as it's that guy's first big role (don't know his name, the one from Terminator Salvation).

[Misawa]

The acting was fine from the main roles, though there were a few example of horrendous acting at some stages, and the villain was pretty useless with all his recycled lines and general cookie cutter nature. The story, characters and dialogue were equal to that of Transformers. It really reminded me of a Michael Bay film in 3D.

[StefanWolves]

I went to watch it. Boring, boring film.

[Cyndia]

It got pretty tedious towards the end.. I do love a good action movie, but this was just such a long movie and I started getting antsy. Plus my favorite parts were really just when Jake was in the forests, particularly in the night time (the scenery was SO beautiful and captivating!) and all the fight scenes towards the end (though cool) didn't keep my attention as much as the first half did.

Oh and I agree with Misawa, some of the acting was horrendous and very wooden at some parts (like when he told that one guy to stay behind, and he replied 'ok'.. my friends and I definitely laughed over that).

But overall I'm glad I spent the time and money seeing it. :)

[Black_Apalachi]

It got pretty tedious towards the end.. I do love a good action movie, but this was just such a long movie and I started getting antsy. Plus my favorite parts were really just when Jake was in the forests, particularly in the night time (the scenery was SO beautiful and captivating!) and all the fight scenes towards the end (though cool) didn't keep my attention as much as the first half did.

Oh and I agree with Misawa, some of the acting was horrendous and very wooden at some parts (like when he told that one guy to stay behind, and he replied 'ok'.. my friends and I definitely laughed over that).

But overall I'm glad I spent the time and money seeing it. :)

Yeah, and I kind of liked how he was so keen to touch everything that was new to him in the forest, it was sort of a contrast to what I'd be like I think. I loved when he first ran across the camp thing into the forest as well, when he was just running and running :D.

[kk.]

Went and saw it last night, was a great film. It was an average storyline and I dontthink it would hold as much hype had it have not been in 3D

[Cyndia]

Went and saw it last night, was a great film. It was an average storyline and I dontthink it would hold as much hype had it have not been in 3D

I actually didn't see it in either 3D or Imax (I saw just the plain old regular version since I'm cheap) and I thought it deserved the hype it's been getting.. though then again, I am a bit of a sci fi/fantasy dork, so don't mind me.

[kk.]

If you likes it in 2D then you'd like it more in 3D I think. Some parts were predictable like that bird thing. And the ending

[Black_Apalachi]

If you likes it in 2D then you'd like it more in 3D I think. Some parts were predictable like that bird thing. And the ending

It was predictable, but somehow still good. I think that says a lot.

[kk.]

Exactly. :)

[The Don]

I loved this film, When i found out it was nearly 3 hours long i began dreading how boring it would be, but not once did i get bored or loose interest in the film, but then again, I did watch it in 3D. The story has been used before, but so what? I think this film is one of the best out there and advise anyone to go watch it.

[StefanWolves]

I really don't see what all the hype is about.

[Glitter]

Went to see it yesterday without having any idea what it was about or how long it was.. and I definitely don't think it's worth all the hype. It draggggedddd.. and there wasn't really much to it. Plus the 3D glasses gave me a headache after a while!

[StefanWolves]

Glasses gave me a headache too.

[Neversoft]

If its still in the cinema in January I plan to go and see it again, but this time in 3D. I fear the glasses might give me a headache too though.

[TheEclipse]

I saw it and greatly enjoyed it!

[Seatherny]

Just went to see it in 3D IMAX. Just wow. I have never came out of a film going "I wanna go back in and see that again", but today I did. I so want to go back and watch it once again. Amazing film and cant wait till its out on DVD.

[kk.]

ive been to see it twice and it still wasnt boring tbh. the only film i have actually seen twice whilst at the cinemas too

[Seatherny]

I guess the IMAX made it 10x better than it was, lol God knows but I enjoyed it.

[Sammeth.]

Already broken $1bn so its obviously bringing in either a lot of people, which would be a testement to its marketing, or a lot of second timers, which I guess would be a better testement to the film itself. I absolutely loved and would love to see it again in the cinema before it goes out.

[Neversoft]

I love how Avatar is the highest grossing film of 2009 when it only came out late December. It's currently the fourth highest grossing film of all time, losing to Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King and Titanic. I was hoping it would beat Titanic but its still got just over $800 million to go.

[Misawa]

I expected it to become the second highest grossing film of all time because of its sheer marketing push, and looks like it's on track to be.

[Sammeth.]

Yeah it will easily become the second highest grossing. Good on James Cameron eh, the two highest grossing films of all time. The studio must be pleased.

[Misawa]

Well, he's made far better films that Avatar and Titanic that haven't grossed so much, which is a shame, but makes sense. As for Cameron himself, he proved himself to be an idiot last week when a video came out of him swearing at a fan who politely asked for his autograph, when three days prior he said he'd sign anything for anyone who wanted.

[Neversoft]

Yeah, Cameron was being a right **** in that video. He was standing there for like two minutes waiting for his limo or whatever he could have easily given the guy an autograph. I guess hes only human though. The paparazzi must have been following him around for weeks, I can see how he'd be irritated. Reminds me of when Bjork lashed out at that journalist. That was jokes.

[crazed]

I hated it. I felt it dragged on for too long. Not the worst film I've seen, and not one of the best.

[Coheed&Cambria]

Too predictable.

[StefanWolves]

Good effects, but much too predictable & drags on way to much.

[Black_Apalachi]

Haha I just watched that video and at the end as Cameron is getting in his car, the guy is saying, 'The plot of your movie sucked, a 3 year old could follow it. Make a decent movie!' :P.

[Fez]

My friend thinks it's the best movie of all time. I told him he was stupid and the plot was way too predictable and the characters too wooden.

His reply: "but the visuals were amazing."

sigh

[Neversoft]

YOU ARE NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE. YOU ARE ON PANDORA.

[Misawa]

YOU ARE NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE. YOU ARE ON PANDORA.

I laughed at how utterly stupid that was.

[RandomManJay]

I absolutely loved Avatar, its one of the best films I've seen this year, although it was 3hrs long, we didn't really at the end cause it was so good. The adverts themselves didn't create such a hype about it and I think its paid off cause the film out did itself in comparison to its promotion. I went into it think I probably wont like it, I've only seen one trailer for it and it didn't look all that good, but by the end of the film I thought it was amazing :D, brilliant Writer, Director, Composer and the actors did brilliantly well. I just hope it has an early DVD release date so I can get it sooner :P.

[Neversoft]

It's official. James Cameron directed both the first and second highest grossing films of all time.

1. Titanic - $1,842,879,955
2. Avatar - $1,131,752,464
3. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - $1,119,219,252
4. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest - $1,066,179,725
5. The Dark Knight - $1,001,921,825

[dirrty]

It's official. James Cameron directed both the first and second highest grossing films of all time.

1. Titanic - $1,842,879,955
2. Avatar - $1,131,752,464
3. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - $1,119,219,252
4. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest - $1,066,179,725
5. The Dark Knight - $1,001,921,825
and considering avatar reached that in 20 days makes the achievement more amazing imo.

[Misawa]

Surprise surprise. Two films that really don't deserve their place. 3 of them don't.

[Pix]

I watched it in in Imax like a week ago and it was by far the best film i've ever watched. Im gonna go watch it again next week because every little thing about it is just amazing and perfect.

[kk.]

how much on average would selling the dvd make a film? at about £8 each, how many would be sold

[Misawa]

I watched it in in Imax like a week ago and it was by far the best film i've ever watched. Im gonna go watch it again next week because every little thing about it is just amazing and perfect.

There is truly nothing "perfect" about Avatar.

Films earn a hell of a lot more on DVD than they do theatrically.

[Pix]

how much on average would selling the dvd make a film? at about £8 each, how many would be sold

LOADS but i think it may not be alot because of illegal downloading and stuff


There is truly nothing "perfect" about Avatar.

i repeat, EVERYTHING was perfect about it :)

[kk.]

so i suppose it will be the highest grossing film ever. The high cost of a cinema ticket is one reason i suppose.

illegal downloading doesnt make that much of a difference i dont think. A least not for films anyway. The other reason that more recent films earn a lot more nowadays is because of all the dfferent formats you can buy on now, as well as more people owning a DVD/blu ray player. you have DVD, blu-ray, digital copies, itunes, rental, digital rental etc. So many more ways than just a tape.

[Misawa]

And now over here they've started doing what they do in USA which is package every major Blu-ray release with a DVD and a digital copy.

Pix, what was perfect about a film with an awful script, cookie cutter characters and story stolen from Ferngully, Dances with Wolves and Pochahontas?

Titanic is number one all because of Leo DiCaprio, and thanks to him that film has acted as the machine that the studio have as their example of why to push the marketing of Avatar like no other film ever made.

[Sammeth.]

Oh lush. I dont reckon Avatar will knock Titanic off, if it does it will be by very little. I loved Titanic, and Avatar, and I agree Pix avatar was pretty perfect in my eyes.

[Richie]

Great film seen it today, although me and my friends were narrating the whole film into a dirty version was a good laugh, yeah I'm childish :D "come?, come?" thats all she kept saying haha

[dirrty]

And now over here they've started doing what they do in USA which is package every major Blu-ray release with a DVD and a digital copy.

Pix, what was perfect about a film with an awful script, cookie cutter characters and story stolen from Ferngully, Dances with Wolves and Pochahontas?

Titanic is number one all because of Leo DiCaprio, and thanks to him that film has acted as the machine that the studio have as their example of why to push the marketing of Avatar like no other film ever made.
omg can't you ever just accept peoples views instead of criticising everything if you don't agree. your opinion isn't always right fgs :l i swear thats all i see when you respond to anything film/television related.

[Misawa]

A stolen story, bad script and cookie cutter characters aren't opinion.

[Pix]

A stolen story, bad script and cookie cutter characters aren't opinion.

How can you be so sure about it being stolen? Once the film was released and everyone saw how PERFECT the film was, everyone started saying that the story was stolen and what not. I highly doubt they'd even mention it if the film wasn't as good as it is.You've mentioned 3 stories and i also heard that the producer of The noon universe and the producer of Call me(stories that were ritten back in 1960's) have told media that Cameron stole ideas. Every director could come up with similiar ideas, it happens. A bad script? Which is why it has 1.3 billion views already.

[kk.]

Stolen ideas and similar ideas are not the same. I think he probably meant more along the lines of it's similar to other plots. Especially since if Adams complaining that it's similar to all 3 of those films, then surely 2 of those films copied the first one of those made..

[Misawa]

The story of Avatar is a combination of both Pochahontas and Ferngully. The bad script is evident in the fact that some of the dialogue is no awful and a lot of the action makes no sense. Why would a mech robot have a giant knife? The villain was the most cookie cutter I've seen in a long time, I was quite shocked. Avatar isn't a terrible film, I gave it 3/5 because the visual effects are the greatest of all time, but I can't forgive the recycled story, bad characters and script. I am glad you enjoyed the film, but calling it perfect is just totally beyond me. And I can't be called a James Cameron detractor or what have you as The Terminator, Terminator 2: Judgement Day and Aliens are three of my favourite films of all time.

[Neversoft]

so i suppose it will be the highest grossing film ever. The high cost of a cinema ticket is one reason i suppose.

illegal downloading doesnt make that much of a difference i dont think. A least not for films anyway. The other reason that more recent films earn a lot more nowadays is because of all the dfferent formats you can buy on now, as well as more people owning a DVD/blu ray player. you have DVD, blu-ray, digital copies, itunes, rental, digital rental etc. So many more ways than just a tape.

The figures I gave were only theatrical, not including DVD sales. I think The Lord of the Rings has probably sold the most DVDs, but I'm not sure. It might take a while for Avatar to overtake it considering The Lord of the Rings has had a nice head start with its normal editions, extended editions, limited editions, 3-in-1 editions, etc. I myself have bought the movies twice so I could get the extended editions.

Also, I agree with Misawa, the film does have its flaws, but despite that I still loved it. I think its more about the experience and in that aspect the film excels greatly. Also, I see a great deal of people hating on the story because it is 'stolen', but its not as if stories cannot be retold. Other films are the greatest influence on a director, so its not surprising so many of them seem alike.

[Black_Apalachi]

Surprise surprise. Two films that really don't deserve their place. 3 of them don't.

The Dark Knight is better than Pirates of the Caribbean :(.


How can you be so sure about it being stolen? Once the film was released and everyone saw how PERFECT the film was, everyone started saying that the story was stolen and what not. I highly doubt they'd even mention it if the film wasn't as good as it is.You've mentioned 3 stories and i also heard that the producer of The noon universe and the producer of Call me(stories that were ritten back in 1960's) have told media that Cameron stole ideas. Every director could come up with similiar ideas, it happens. A bad script? Which is why it has 1.3 billion views already.

Whether you like it or not, the story is the same as Dances With Wolves and Pochahontas and to be fair, I suppose it was somewhat predictable. But I don't hold this against it at all. When I (an average film goer) was watching it, I was enjoying it so much that I didn't think about what was going to happen next or anything like that. I just kept admiring what I was seeing and I did kind of get lost in their world :P.

If you view it from the perspective of a critic, then I can understand why you'd complain, but I just feel sorry for anyone who did so for not having the chance to view it as an average film goer like myself to truly enjoy it for what it is.

[untrustus]

wow, i can understand people liking it, but calling it perfect?! like literally, there was nothing wrong at any point in the film?

[kk.]

The figures I gave were only theatrical, not including DVD sales. I think The Lord of the Rings has probably sold the most DVDs, but I'm not sure. It might take a while for Avatar to overtake it considering The Lord of the Rings has had a nice head start with its normal editions, extended editions, limited editions, 3-in-1 editions, etc. I myself have bought the movies twice so I could get the extended editions.

i know since the DVD isnt even out yet, which is why i said it was because of the high price of cinema tickets. I was saying it probably will be with the release of all the different versions of DVDs etc

[Fez]

How can you be so sure about it being stolen? Once the film was released and everyone saw how PERFECT the film was

Nothing is perfect.

Might as well be Transformers knocking Return of the King off its perch for all I care.

[Pix]

Nothing is perfect.

im perfect

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[Alkaz]

I thought it was really good, the CGI wasnt necessarily that amazing although most of it was pretty hawt the 3D was really good, I think people were expecting like something alot more un-realistic but when your there the balance is really good, at one point I almost reached to touch something - forgetting where I was :_).

[Sammeth.]

I think I might create a shot game with the words "cookie cutter" in this thread, will do me a treat.

[Misawa]

I apologise for using industry terminology.

[crazed]

im perfect

Shame your grammar isn't :X

I don't understand how people are raving over it. It's really not that good..

[jackass]

Saw it today... amazing. :)

[Sammeth.]

I apologise for using industry terminology.

Oh dont apologise, I could be well on my way to tipsyness if I play.

[kk.]

what do you mean by cookie cutter? never heard of cookie cutter in my life lol. does cookie cutter mean like, just recycled or something? cookie cutter sounds like its meant to be cookie clutter, not cutter.

so what is cookie cutter ;l

[Misawa]

http://agiletools.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/cookie-cutter.jpg

That's a cookie cutter. A cookie cutter character is, as you might now expect after seeing the above image, a generic character who is the same as all the rest.

[Sammeth.]

Lets just get this straight out in the open, cus Im confused. What did you think of the characters?


...the characters are cliched cookie cutters and the story is horizontal...


...recycled storyline, cookie cutter characters, bad jokes...


...and the villain was pretty useless with all his recycled lines and general cookie cutter nature. The story...


...awful script, cookie cutter characters and story stolen from Ferngully...


A stolen story, bad script and cookie cutter characters aren't opinion.


...The villain was the most cookie cutter I've seen in a long time...

[Black_Apalachi]

Lol Sammy, you should know better than to wind peoples up.. you're not Aussie and you're certainly not from Devon! :lol:

[Misawa]

He's bitter from his tenure as my assistant all those years ago.

[Sammeth.]

Lol Sammy, you should know better than to wind peoples up.. you're not Aussie and you're certainly not from Devon! :lol:

Its all just banter and jokes!


He's bitter from his tenure as my assistant all those years ago.

Yeah this is pretty much true, gosh darnit. Productions was so good (more jokes)

[Fez]

Lets just get this straight out in the open, cus Im confused. What did you think of the characters?

Nothing wrong with repeating yourself by making a point, that's the whole sense of arguing, facts and statistics repeated overtime. There's no other lingo for 'cookie-cutter' characters unless you want 'generic' or some other word, which will end up saying exactly the same thing.

I also just realised that the story was stolen almost word by word from Ferngully. I was watching a review by some guy, but couldn't help notice some of the dialogue matching up.

It's not the best film of all time, it's not a 'fantastic' movie. Without a doubt it is the most visually stunning, but that's about it.

If Cameron thinks this is the future, then I'm just going to leave my head in the dusty past. Traditional essentials of filmmaking (decent plot, relatable characters and 'the little details which make the big picture') will always come first for me when looking for a film.

Oh and it's not the film of the year, neither is Inglorious *******s. Moon is.

HAHAHAHAHAhaaa

[Misawa]

Nothing wrong with repeating yourself by making a point, that's the whole sense of arguing, facts and statistics repeated overtime. There's no other lingo for 'cookie-cutter' characters unless you want 'generic' or some other word, which will end up saying exactly the same thing.

I also just realised that the story was stolen almost word by word from Ferngully. I was watching a review by some guy, but couldn't help notice some of the dialogue matching up.

It's not the best film of all time, it's not a 'fantastic' movie. Without a doubt it is the most visually stunning, but that's about it.

If Cameron thinks this is the future, then I'm just going to leave my head in the dusty past. Traditional essentials of filmmaking (decent plot, relatable characters and 'the little details which make the big picture') will always come first for me when looking for a film.

Oh and it's not the film of the year, neither is Inglorious *******s. Moon is.

HAHAHAHAHAhaaa


Have you even seen Moon, Nathan? And you misspelt the first part of the misspelt title wrong. I'll be taking legal action.

[kk.]

I don't know if it was said but he's planning on making a second and third film. Apparently already having ideas and plots.

[Fez]

Have you even seen Moon, Nathan? And you misspelt the first part of the misspelt title wrong. I'll be taking legal action.

I saw it a few days before the Dark Knight, totally passed up on it but got it on DVD from a friend.

Oh and I'm sorry ;( Chrome's spell checker is American so don't break my legs.

pls.

[Black_Apalachi]

INGLOURIOUSSSSS :8
should make an ironic spoof of this about grammar nazis... haha

[Misawa]

I don't know if it was said but he's planning on making a second and third film. Apparently already having ideas and plots.

He's half-way through a prequel script.

[Arch]

I thinkk the movie was pretty good, although personally i dont think it was
worth all the hype at all.

[Richie]

The film was definatly over-rated per-usual, some advice would be don't go see it in 3D it just lasts too long leaving you with a headache, I'd say the normal version was much better, but people vary.

[Kronics]

Omg im going to have to see this film :(

[HotelUser]

I think they're already working on the 2nd film. I really like the first one.

[MJJ]

I went to see this today.

Maybe it's because I'd heard so much about it and I was expecting a lot, but I didn't really like it that much.

I wasn't really that keen to see it in the first place though, to be honest. I just sort of got dragged along.

[Stephen!]

I'm going to see it in 3D again tomorrow, however the first time I saw it at odeon I was told that it was a digital projection. At cineworld it seems it isn't a digital projection... Am I going to notice the difference? Will the 3D effects be "dumbed down" so to speak?

Also, is it better to be sitting further forward or doesn't it matter? The last time I was quite close to the screen and everything popped out right infront of you. It's hard to imagine it would be like that if you were sitting at the back for example.

[Pyroka]

i seen it in 3D, it was immenseeeeeeee. :P

[Misawa]

Go for the middle or just below.

[Black_Apalachi]

I'm going to see it in 3D again tomorrow, however the first time I saw it at odeon I was told that it was a digital projection. At cineworld it seems it isn't a digital projection... Am I going to notice the difference? Will the 3D effects be "dumbed down" so to speak?

Also, is it better to be sitting further forward or doesn't it matter? The last time I was quite close to the screen and everything popped out right infront of you. It's hard to imagine it would be like that if you were sitting at the back for example.

I think you want to make sure you're close enough so that you can't see much of the surrounding of the screen. What I mean is, where I was sitting (near the back), the 3D effects were kind of destroyed when they got to the edge of the screen and disappeared. I felt it would have been much better had I been nearer the screen. I hate cinemas that allocate your seats :@.

[Laurensh1]

Went to see it yesterday in 3D, yes you can argue about the same story being told in a different place and time. Although I do not agree on it, I understand it but I must say that it was a beautiful movie and it worked.

[Accipiter]

Went to see it yesterday in 3D, yes you can argue about the same story being told in a different place and time. Although I do not agree on it, I understand it but I must say that it was a beautiful movie and it worked.

you mean like this:

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/130283/original.jpg

if it was announced that it was a remake of a movie in a different time, alls well, but i don't think it was >_>

[Sammeth.]

Or maybe we could just call it different ways of telling the same story. Like how The Lion King is practically Hamlet with animals.

[Haaaaarry1]

Everyones saying how amazing it is but Im really not interested in the slightest and I dont intend on seeing it at all.

[Accipiter]

i liked the movie, i just lol'd at that pic of failblog :D

but pay some respect to the original writers like saying "a futuristic pochahontas just with loads of cgi to make it better"

[StefanWolves]

Going to see 'up in the air' today... sounds crap, reviews are okay, not expecting much though.

[Misawa]

i liked the movie, i just lol'd at that pic of failblog :D

but pay some respect to the original writers like saying "a futuristic pochahontas just with loads of cgi to make it better"

James Cameron wishes he made a better film than Pochahontas.

[Accipiter]

i'd never heard of pocahontas until /\ that so he probaly did :P

[Misawa]

You've never heard of Pochahontas? Err... I'm not quite sure what to say.

[Accipiter]

LOL was gunna say describe it but its all up there /\

uhhh, is it a cartoon? sounds like a 2d disney program.

[Fez]

Never... heard... of... Pochahontas?

http://sciencetraveler.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/lolcat_what.jpg

[Accipiter]

i've heard of it, just ain't seen it >_> is it just a kiddies cartoon thats only worth watching when your 9, like the lion king or something? lmao.

[kk.]

Pretty much lol

[Accipiter]

you can always guess by the names...

[jackass]

i've heard of it, just ain't seen it >_> is it just a kiddies cartoon thats only worth watching when your 9, like the lion king or something? lmao.

No, not at all. It's an amazing film, and certainly not for 9 year olds. :S

[Cashew]

Saw it the other night at the Imax, amazing! I didn't want to go because let's face it, a animated film containing dragon type things doesn't tick the boxes for me but I was practically dragged by mates with a promise that if I sat and watched it they'd buy my drinks when we're out afterwards. Free drinks & a amazing film!

Didn't let on that I thought it was class until they brought me my 5th drink, needless to say they weren't too impressed my antics! :lol:

[Accipiter]

No, not at all. It's an amazing film, and certainly not for 9 year olds. :S

is it a cartoon? -googles yeah, o wait o_o the person reminds me of something, i might have seen it, but i can't put my finger on it D:

[jackass]

is it a cartoon? -googles yeah, o wait o_o the person reminds me of something, i might have seen it, but i can't put my finger on it D:

No, it's half real life/normal, and half computer animated. None of it is a 'cartoon'.

[Accipiter]

http://www.disney-vacation-time.com/img/pocahontas/pocahontas-1.jpg

that looks like a 2d sketch scanned and turned into a 2d coloured image, if some bits are real life i don't have a clue if thats the right movie.

[Axel]

What's funny about Avatar is the 3d gimmick. Go watch it without 3d glasses and just for the story and it really isn't anything special.

[Accipiter]

i watched it without 3d glasses and thought the story was quite good.

i still plan to see in 3d, **** knows when.

watching the pocahontas trailer and it doesn't really look that good. Looks like something i'd watch on day time tv running up to new years eve.

[jackass]

OOOOOOOOOOOO, I thought you were talking about Avatar. :P

Get out, this is an AVATAR thread, not bloody Pocahontas. :@

[Nemo]

OOOOOOOOOOOO, I thought you were talking about Avatar. :P

Get out, this is an AVATAR thread, not bloody Pocahontas. :@
Same thing



See wut i did thar?

[Accipiter]

LOL yeah i was talking about pocahontas, :P

how awesome is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdIIqoDakHU

[Axel]

i watched it without 3d glasses and thought the story was quite good.

Ye - quite good. As in, nothing special.

[Accipiter]

its still something i'd recommend people to watch though.

[Axel]

At the cinema with 3d? Maybe. At home? Probably not.

[Accipiter]

i watched it at home LOL but i'd recommend cinema for better quality cause i wasted a good movie in **** quality :'(

[Fez]

It's going to be the highest grossing film of all time by the end of the month, if Cameron and his crack team of maths dudes are correct.

Great, a Pochahontas rip-off is the highest grossing film of all time.

It's a tech demo, the tech is there and it's amazing, I can totally see it being the future of filmmaking, but as a film itself, it just utterly sucks in every aspect.

*watches Terminator 2*

Now that's the Cameron I know!

[Accipiter]

wasn't terminator 2 suppose to be a flop? or was that transformers 2. psshhht god knows.

[Misawa]

Terminator 2 is James Cameron's masterpiece, alongside Aliens.

[Sly]

Seen it in 3d it was well cool, good story and acting, loved it!

[Laurensh1]

A film is never only about a story, it's about more. If something would be about a story it would be a book :S Film is also visual aspect and sound...

[Misawa]

No, film is the visual art of storytelling. I'm afraid you were misinformed.

[Neversoft]

A film is never about a story

...what?

[Fez]

A film is never only about a story

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/DJReeg21/u-mad___camron.jpg

[Misawa]

She edited it, too.

[Pix]

In the sun i read summit like there was a sex scene in the film aswell which involved the avatars but it's hidden in the special edition dvd that's gonna be released. *** if thats true

[Misawa]

It involves the connection of those talon things, that's all. I read the (awful) script.

[Pix]

It involves the connection of those talon things, that's all. I read the (awful) script.

oh, it'd still be interesting to see it.

[Misawa]

...If that's your thing.

[Pix]

It certainly is

[Neversoft]

1. Titanic - $1,842,879,955
2. Avatar - $1,602,168,000

Woah, it's catching up.

It would be pretty funny if Avatar was not only the highest grossing film of 2009, but of 2010 as well.

[dirrty]

1. Titanic - $1,842,879,955
2. Avatar - $1,602,168,000

Woah, it's catching up.

It would be pretty funny if Avatar was not only the highest grossing film of 2009, but of 2010 as well.
i think it'll probably overtake titanic worldwide, but not sure about domestically. the latter could be a close call.

i can't see it being the highest grossing film of 2010 as theres a few blockbusters which will probably take that title (harry potter, shrek and twilight to name a few) but i'm sure it'll deffo be in the top 10. would be good though if it did lol.

[Neversoft]

Hmm, I'm sure a lot of Avatar's profits are from 2010 so you never know. I think it has a chance.

[dirrty]

Hmm, I'm sure a lot of Avatar's profits are from 2010 so you never know. I think it has a chance.
it would have to make a minimum of $800m this year though as i'm sure harry potter would achieve that (going by the past ones). but yeah, time will tell as avatar has proven quite a lot is possible lol.

[Misawa]

Avatar's success has been the most predictable in film history.

[Misawa]

So Cameron wins Best Director for a film that relies on visual FX and isn't even well shot, and wins Best Film for its terrible script? Nope - Welcome to Hollywood, folks. It's all about the $$$.

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[Blinger1]

Oh heres a tissue, mate.

I really didn't find this film that interesting :S?

[Misawa]

That's because it isn't.

The judges "vote" on $$$ and scale. The Hurt Locker was too small a film for their liking, and Bigelow is Cameron's ex. I knew Quentin would get snubbed because the judges don't like him because he considers himself non-Hollywood. Expect Avatar to win teh same awards at the Oscars for the exact same reasons.

[Blinger1]

Dude, if everyone thinks its a good film, surely it deserves to win?

[Misawa]

A panel of judges vote, not fans. Best Film means best, not most appreciated. The same as Best Director means the film with the best direction. Avatar is neither, which is annoying when it was the worst film in both of those categories.

[The Don]

A panel of judges vote, not fans. Best Film means best, not most appreciated. The same as Best Director means the film with the best direction. Avatar is neither, which is annoying when it was the worst film in both of those categories.

How can you still say avatar is a bad film? Its soon to be the highest grossing film of all time, it won the best drama at the golden globes and will win at the oscars... now, how is it bad?

[Misawa]

I have already explained, go back through the thread.

[Black_Apalachi]

Or maybe we could just call it different ways of telling the same story. Like how The Lion King is practically Hamlet with animals.

The Lion King is Star Wars! :P


How can you still say avatar is a bad film? Its soon to be the highest grossing film of all time, it won the best drama at the golden globes and will win at the oscars... now, how is it bad?

So you think Titanic is the best film of all time? I know I've said Avatar is amazing, but I still wouldn't give it any awards other than visual effects based ones, if there are any such things.

[kk.]

i think the point he was getting at was that its grossed a lot of money, so how can you say it was bad. not that its the best film of all time.

meh, i dont really care if people think its a retold story. its basically in the sentence, its told in a different way.

adams just throwing a hissy fit because it took some awards he wanted IB to win

[Misawa]

No, I knew it would get snubbed because the judges don't like him. Now people are realising that Hollywood award ceremonies are the most biased of affairs.

[Fez]

Avatar did not deserve to win anything besides Best Visual Effects.

I'm more than happy that Waltz won a globe, but you people should stop putting the film down. I like how some of you consider a good film to be the highest grossing film or the critic's choice, when in reality, there's more than enough corruption in journalism to go round AND some people just don't know a good film when they see it.

Avatar is by no means bad, or good, it deserves some awards but for it to win Best Picture just hurts me. In places. Yes.

[jackass]

A panel of judges vote, not fans. Best Film means best, not most appreciated. The same as Best Director means the film with the best direction. Avatar is neither, which is annoying when it was the worst film in both of those categories.

Seriously, stop speaking as if everything you say is a fact. In YOUR opinion Avatar is neither of those - that doesn't mean that it's true.

[Sammeth.]

A panel of judges vote, not fans. Best Film means best, not most appreciated. The same as Best Director means the film with the best direction. Avatar is neither, which is annoying when it was the worst film in both of those categories.

I think the judges opinions differed from your opinions m8.

[Misawa]

Anyone who disagrees with Avatar being the worst nominee amongst the listed films in both winning categories is quite simply an idiot.

The judges' opinions are not based on the films, I'm afraid to inform you.

[Sammeth.]

Anyone who disagrees with Misawas opinion isn't an idiot at all.

[Misawa]

People should stop trying to make statements when they're way out of their depth. You're all obviously incredibly naive and think Hollywood is all glitz and glamour and bubbles. If only you knew.

[Sammeth.]

People should continue to keep making opinions based on what they truly beleive and should never feel they can't make a judgment on something just because others feel as though you arent worthy.

[Laurensh1]

She edited it, too.
I'm Male.

...what?I realised some stuff and had to correct, you already quoted me before that.

[hah]

and you know lol? your just sad because the film you worked on didnt get an award

[Misawa]

The craft of film-making is full of facts. People who would think that Avatar is a better shot film than The Hurt Locker are factually wrong. Film is technical and people here do not know that, so they should stop trying to sway someone who does, because they're out of their depth, just like I would be in a discussion about football or what have you.

Actually, Christoph Waltz won Best Supporting Actor, and I knew full well Inglourious *******s wouldn't win Best Film, Quentin wouldn't win Best Director and BEst Screenplay, despite it being the best script by far out of the nominees, simply because the judges have always taken exception to his anti-Hollywood punk film-making. It is the same as the Oscars 2009, when the Academy deliberately and spitefully snubbed Mickey Rourke simply because of their dislike for his past.

And yes, I do know. Why? Because it's what I do for a living.

[jackass]

Anyone who disagrees with Misawas opinion isn't an idiot at all.

I agree with your statement - what does that make me? :P

[hah]

The craft of film-making is full of facts. People who would think that Avatar is a better shot film than The Hurt Locker are factually wrong. Film is technical and people here do not know that, so they should stop trying to sway someone who does, because they're out of their depth, just like I would be in a discussion about football or what have you.

Thats called an opinion not a fact

[Sammeth.]

But people are making opinions on what they see. If I said "that was a good tackle" at a football match (I don't know a thing about football) and it wasn't then it still wouldn't take away the fact that it was my opinion and I genuinely thought it was a good tackle. If people genuinely feel that this is a good film, then surely their opinions should be respected. Obviously a lot of judges felt the same way.

[StefanWolves]

Misawa don't you watch wrestling?

[hah]

But people are making opinions on what they see. If I said "that was a good tackle" at a football match (I don't know a thing about football) and it wasn't then it still wouldn't take away the fact that it was my opinion and I genuinely thought it was a good tackle. If people genuinely feel that this is a good film, then surely their opinions should be respected. Obviously a lot of judges felt the same way.

But misawa is always right and we all have to agree with him...

[Misawa]

Misawa don't you watch wrestling?

Yes, I do. Your point?

[kk.]

People should stop trying to make statements when they're way out of their depth. You're all obviously incredibly naive and think Hollywood is all glitz and glamour and bubbles. If only you knew.


The craft of film-making is full of facts. People who would think that Avatar is a better shot film than The Hurt Locker are factually wrong. Film is technical and people here do not know that, so they should stop trying to sway someone who does, because they're out of their depth, just like I would be in a discussion about football or what have you.

Actually, Christoph Waltz won Best Supporting Actor, and I knew full well Inglourious *******s wouldn't win Best Film, Quentin wouldn't win Best Director and BEst Screenplay, despite it being the best script by far out of the nominees, simply because the judges have always taken exception to his anti-Hollywood punk film-making. It is the same as the Oscars 2009, when the Academy deliberately and spitefully snubbed Mickey Rourke simply because of their dislike for his past.

And yes, I do know. Why? Because it's what I do for a living.

im sorry almighty god, i shall forever listen to your views as you are a film director and know what you are talking about. Forgive my ways, mighty one. :rolleyes:

where do you have the right to call people idiots just because they dont agree with you. all your twitter statuses have been are you blabbering on about how '$$$' means that films get awards. who cares, it shows people liked it and were willing to pay for it to go to the cinema. that shows that its a good film. to be honest, there should be a publics film award ceremony anyway.. or is there?

[Fez]

I like how you guys are totally ignorant of Misawa, and I like how Misawa keeps repeating the same things over and over again (no offence Adam, I understand).

Simply put, there were better made films this year. Whether you like it or not, there will always be a better film. Awards are empty and meaningless, it's your own opinion that matters in your heart.

I was shocked that Moon wasn't nominated for anything, but given it's largely an independent film, I'm not that surprised.

I can understand everyone's disapproval of Misawa (Adam), but Addycakes does know a lot more about film. He's seen a lot more films, and he can probably divulge into the technical aspect of it too.

Maybe you guys should stop arguing that Addycake's statements aren't facts, they're opinions, because at the end of the day, he's just trying to state something. Statements are a mixture of both facts and opinion.

For instance, he is totally right about the judges being biased and leaning towards Avatar. Maybe not because of its dollar dollar, but maybe more because it has wider appeal. I never expected Avatar to win Best Picture, at all, because it isn't the best picture of the year, not if you narrow it down critically.

The Hurt Locker didn't deserve to win either, neither did Moon or Inglourious *******s. A decision can never be made by the general public, because everyone will have disagreements and whatnot, that's why they have judges... but judges sway towards certain things too.

I'm kinda tired of all the hate directed towards Addycakes, he's not a bad person, he is just trying to post and be a nice film chap around these parts, you shouldn't ignore the things he says and spite him for saying these things.


But misawa is always right and we all have to agree with him...

He doesn't want anyone to agree with him. He isn't trying to sway opinion towards his own statements or facts or whatever, everyone is entitled to their own globe (Christopher Waltz speech reference yoohoo).

Don't be so spiteful kids, play nice.

[Sammeth.]

I think its how he puts his points across which annoys everyone. I happen to agree that Avatar shouldnt have won Best Picture or Best Direction, however to say that anyone who disagrees with his opnion are idiots is hugely disrespectful. Maybe if he learned to put his points across with a certain manner of decency he would gain a lot more respect from members who would be certainly more willing to listen to what he has to say. You gain respect by being respectful.

[kk.]

I like how you guys are totally ignorant of Misawa, and I like how Misawa keeps repeating the same things over and over again (no offence Adam, I understand).

Simply put, there were better made films this year. Whether you like it or not, there will always be a better film. Awards are empty and meaningless, it's your own opinion that matters in your heart.

I was shocked that Moon wasn't nominated for anything, but given it's largely an independent film, I'm not that surprised.

I can understand everyone's disapproval of Misawa (Adam), but Addycakes does know a lot more about film. He's seen a lot more films, and he can probably divulge into the technical aspect of it too.

Maybe you guys should stop arguing that Addycake's statements aren't facts, they're opinions, because at the end of the day, he's just trying to state something. Statements are a mixture of both facts and opinion.

For instance, he is totally right about the judges being biased and leaning towards Avatar. Maybe not because of its dollar dollar, but maybe more because it has wider appeal. I never expected Avatar to win Best Picture, at all, because it isn't the best picture of the year, not if you narrow it down critically.

The Hurt Locker didn't deserve to win either, neither did Moon or Inglourious *******s. A decision can never be made by the general public, because everyone will have disagreements and whatnot, that's why they have judges... but judges sway towards certain things too.

I'm kinda tired of all the hate directed towards Addycakes, he's not a bad person, he is just trying to post and be a nice film chap around these parts, you shouldn't ignore the things he says and spite him for saying these things.



He doesn't want anyone to agree with him. He isn't trying to sway opinion towards his own statements or facts or whatever, everyone is entitled to their own globe (Christopher Waltz speech reference yoohoo).

Don't be so spiteful kids, play nice.

Im not disputing that avatar shouldnt of won. I dont really care what won to be honest. What i care about though is how he seems to like to voice his opinion too much, and gets sort of personal about it. such as when he called everyone an idiot for pretty much disagreeing with him.

Ok hes directing (or supervising) a film. Big deal. It doesnt give him the right to start saying stuff about a film which clearly, people liked in this thread. Kicking up a fuss because inglourious *******s didnt win isnt necessary. Its sort of like if he was at an award ceremony, he wouldnt get up and do a Kanye..

As you said, and as ive said on numerous occasions to both misawa and the forum, film is subjective. Everyone has their own taste and preferences, whether its on film or music, or books. I liked avatar, adam didnt. Its like me calling inglourious *******s absolute crap (it wasnt but you get my point).

[Fez]

I think its how he puts his points across which annoys everyone. I happen to agree that Avatar shouldnt have won Best Picture or Best Direction, however to say that anyone who disagrees with his opnion are idiots is hugely disrespectful. Maybe if he learned to put his points across with a certain manner of decency he would gain a lot more respect from members who would be certainly more willing to listen to what he has to say. You gain respect by being respectful.

He does have a point though, as crude as it may have been put across.


Anyone who disagrees with Avatar being the worst nominee amongst the listed films in both winning categories is quite simply an idiot.


He shouldn't have used the word 'idiot', I'll agree with that, but I can see where he's coming from. Addycakes is obviously angry, or he has probably come to accept this, that the awards ceremony is basically just a hash of celebs given golden statues and ramble on about thanks and whatnot.

Then again, Avatar was the worst nominee in most cases. In the Best Picture category, anyone with half a brain would have seen any other superior film. Given the nominees, it would have been The Hurt Locker. I haven't even seen it but I know that Avatar is largely inferior.

Still don't think you should've used idiot, although I can't think of much terminology to describe the same thing without offending someone.

[Browney]

ALL HAIL LORD MISAWA.

To be honest, Avatar met my expectations. Enjoyable for CGI, truly stunning. Story was lacking, given. It reminded me of Pocahontas, District 9 and what the hell is that kiddy version of Avatar? Anyway, Avatar didn't go above, nor below what I expected.

[Fez]

Im not disputing that avatar shouldnt of won. I dont really care what won to be honest. What i care about though is how he seems to like to voice his opinion too much, and gets sort of personal about it. such as when he called everyone an idiot for pretty much disagreeing with him.
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I guess he's so personal about it because, in his own words, film is his life. He's done more than supervise on a few sets, he's watched and absorbed so much and feels broken when people start attacking film or his involvement in film.

[Accipiter]

or maybe because he has more knowledge / inside knowledge than anyone on this forum about movies.

[dirrty]

or maybe because he has more knowledge / inside knowledge than anyone on this forum about movies.
that's totally irrelevant when it comes to a personal opinion on a film. the majority of this forum who see a film go to see it because they wish to enjoy it. if the film satisfies that aim, then surely its successful? just because someone who proclaims to be in the film industry says otherwise means nothing as it's only his opinion, and he should accept others and not try to push his opinion on others - which he oh so does very often. sure it goes both ways, but everyone in this thread gets that he doesn't like the film. we/i/whoever kind of gathered that with his first few posts, and it's getting quite banal now.

[Black_Apalachi]

I think its how he puts his points across which annoys everyone. I happen to agree that Avatar shouldnt have won Best Picture or Best Direction, however to say that anyone who disagrees with his opnion are idiots is hugely disrespectful. Maybe if he learned to put his points across with a certain manner of decency he would gain a lot more respect from members who would be certainly more willing to listen to what he has to say. You gain respect by being respectful.

I think that may be to do with how he has to repeat himself numerous times because people disregard what he says, especially when it is something pretty rational. or example, he mentioned why he thinks this film doesn't deserve individual awards while everyone else was banging on about how he has no right to say it isn't a good film, even though he was actually talking about specific things such as the director etc.

I was one of those people saying how amazing Avatar was after I saw it but everything people have said to show how it isn't as good as it seemed, is actually perfectly reasonable. For example, Adam pointed out how the story has similarities with both Pocahontas and Dances With Wolves. Now, I don't really remember the former, but I had watched the latter for the second time just a few days prior to watching Avatar so the similarities immediately clicked. And the word 'similarity' is actually an understatement because it is pretty much a carbon copy.

How anyone can deny the *OPINION* that the visual effects are all that this film has going for itself, is hard to understand. Oh wait, I have a reason why, perhaps those people haven't even seen the films in question which it is accused of copying and therefore, by definition, they actually DON'T know what they're talking about.

Oh and I'm actually going to -rep everyone from now on who says 'that is an opinion not a fact' after somebody posts something without even claiming it is a fact. Of course, if anyone would care to refer me to a rule which states how opinions must be conveyed, then please enlighten me.

[Accipiter]

that's totally irrelevant when it comes to a personal opinion on a film. the majority of this forum who see a film go to see it because they wish to enjoy it. if the film satisfies that aim, then surely its successful? just because someone who proclaims to be in the film industry says otherwise means nothing as it's only his opinion, and he should accept others and not try to push his opinion on others - which he oh so does very often. sure it goes both ways, but everyone in this thread gets that he doesn't like the film. we/i/whoever kind of gathered that with his first few posts, and it's getting quite banal now.

I believe we were talking about the directing side?

[Sammeth.]

I think that may be to do with how he has to repeat himself numerous times because people disregard what he says, especially when it is something pretty rational. or example, he mentioned why he thinks this film doesn't deserve individual awards while everyone else was banging on about how he has no right to say it isn't a good film, even though he was actually talking about specific things such as the director etc.

I was one of those people saying how amazing Avatar was after I saw it but everything people have said to show how it isn't as good as it seemed, is actually perfectly reasonable. For example, Adam pointed out how the story has similarities with both Pocahontas and Dances With Wolves. Now, I don't really remember the former, but I had watched the latter for the second time just a few days prior to watching Avatar so the similarities immediately clicked. And the word 'similarity' is actually an understatement because it is pretty much a carbon copy.

How anyone can deny the *OPINION* that the visual effects are all that this film has going for itself, is hard to understand. Oh wait, I have a reason why, perhaps those people haven't even seen the films in question which it is accused of copying and therefore, by definition, they actually DON'T know what they're talking about.

Oh and I'm actually going to -rep everyone from now on who says 'that is an opinion not a fact' after somebody posts something without even claiming it is a fact. Of course, if anyone would care to refer me to a rule which states how opinions must be conveyed, then please enlighten me.

I think you missed my point.

[Black_Apalachi]

I think you missed my point.

Nope, don't think I did. You don't like how he put his point across with the use of 'idiots', but I'm saying it may be because he has to repeat things like a million times and it does get aggravating. It's similar to -:Undertaker:- in his political discussions, only it amazes me how he manges to keep his cool when people keep chatting crap at him all the time.

[Sammeth.]

Nope, don't think I did. You don't like how he put his point across with the use of 'idiots', but I'm saying it may be because he has to repeat things like a million times and it does get aggravating. It's similar to -:Undertaker:- in his political discussions, only it amazes me how he manges to keep his cool when people keep chatting crap at him all the time.
I dont think theres any justification to use derogatory words at people who disagree with your opinion. He doesn't have to keep repeating himself, he chooses too as he misinterprets peoples opinions as personal attacks on his own views from what I can see.

[Misawa]

People do personally attack me, as evident in a plethora of other threads. I stand up for myself the same as I do offline, not hiding behind a computer. What you see is what you get with me, I have nothing to hide behind. People challenge every post I make and don't read what I say properly so they keep repeating themselves, which has me endlessly posting what I have already said. I haven't worked my arse off for years to get where I am so my word on film is to be continously challenged, and more often than not because people simply haven't taken a liking to me. Yet again, proving my point of repeating myself since I already said I am not bitter about Inglourious *******s taking just one award because it was to be expected. I posted in this thread attempting to inform you of how Hollywood award shows work, yet obviously people don't want to listen to someone in the industry who makes an attempt to teach people how the business works. Like I said, anyone who doesn't want to believe what I have said about the awards is naive and doesn't know the business, so rather than having people provide irrelevant disputes to the words of someone living the business. Your ideas of Hollywood seem to be what you see on TV; everyone living in their own bubble of luxurity, paradise, movie magic, glitz and glamour. Well it isn't, it's the most cut-throat, ruthless business on earth. No one else on here puts food on the table by working in film. I'm proud of what I've accomplished and I'm damn good at what I do, I can gurantee you I'm one of the few my age in the world who is in my position, so when I speak about the industry, people listen and show respect, because those who don't won't get any from me.

[kk.]

Just like you posted calling us all idiots, you still havnt learnt, and continue to post that because you are in the business, we all have to respect you.