Forum going down hill?

[Robbie]

Someone's gonna get snoo snoo tonight ;)

I'm on an imaginary do not hire list anyway. And how does CHF do it? Do they write the debates themselves (like HxF did before) or do they just pick out member debates?


Exactly, the ony thing that seems to hold this idea together is the VIP reward, but surely they could give this to people who create the debates, not just a one sentence suggestion as seems to be suggested?

I edited my Post :D

[GommeInc]

Surely suggesting debates defeats the point? The person(s) suggesting the debates have all the ideas, and the response I got from someone on the matter, is that the "leader" just "Googles", which is a pointless waste of time when the individual member could write it all out because they clearly have some idea of what they are talking about, otherwise they wouldn't suggest it. It also makes each debate unique, not an array of red writing and bold bits, and you can relate to ideas. A leader is like a brick wall, obviously emotionless but has a go at writing a debate idea. Member(s) Debates (forum) only came about because the Official Debates forum turned sour, and people lost interest. The current works fine, they might as well just tweak it with giving rewards out, not seperating and having their own debates.

And I don't get on well with some people, I hate formalities on something that should be informal, it's why I got sacked the last time, I had a voice and used it :P

EDIT: Just read it Robbie :) It would be alot less hassle :/

[Immenseman]

Ryan, look how well it works on CHF. I'll give you a link, so much easier: http://www.clubhabboforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=726

The leader gets very involved in the threads. The leader would be picked because (s)he shows a genuine interest in debates. I think it needs someone to oversee them and provoke people and to play devils advocate if needs be. Without having a leader they wouldn't work so well on that site and they wouldn't work so well here. On CHF I don't C+P anything, my original post starting the debate is written by moi.

[GommeInc]

Ryan, look how well it works on CHF. I'll give you a link, so much easier: http://www.clubhabboforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=726

The leader gets very involved in the threads. The leader would be picked because (s)he shows a genuine interest in debates. I think it needs someone to oversee them and provoke people and to play devils advocate if needs be. Without having a leader they wouldn't work so well on that site and they wouldn't work so well here. On CHF I don't C+P anything, my original post starting the debate is written by moi.
I'm not denying it works for CHF, but HxF has a record for not keeping with things for very long - the council, the first time Official Debates came around, Community section of management and staff... It's not in nature of HxF :P Especially when debates are posted quite often, and can be posted at will in the Members Debate forum, which only came around because the Official Debates never took off, having just official debates might work, but it depends if people are willing to sacrifice debate freedom for a VIP feature, which may or may not work :/

And it seems pretty organised on CHF, it's nearly tempting to join :P

[Black_Apalachi]

If official debates are to run side by side with normal debates created by users then I think it has the potential to be successful as long as it's not forgotten about as was mentioned. Jake's right about needing somebody specifically allocated to the role because if it's left to General Management it'll be forgotten about sooner or later or there'll be lots of 'sorry this one is late again'.

As for VIP rewards, I'm not so sure about giving them out to debate starters because all that will achieve is people constantly creating as many debates as they can think of, the majority of which will probably be disastrous. The current situation doesn't see new debates very often but at least they're decent topics rather than just any random thing someone thought of to win VIP.

Ultimately I imagine the goal to be frequent good quality topics. For this reason, if someone, or even a team of a few individuals, were set to create at least one debate thread per day, both the quality and quantity aspects can be maintained. The VIP can be awarded to the best contributors within the debates to encourage everyone to take part.

I suggested a team because a single person could quickly run out of ideas or may adopt a style that could put some members off. A team just creates some variance and mixes things up a bit.

[Nixt]

I am looking at changing the debates system as I recognise that perhaps I didn't think through the change as much as I should have and we are going to change it in a way that is more reflective of what members want. Bear with me :P.

[FlyingJesus]

Oh dear, just seen the Debates Forum announcement. Prepare for a distinct lack of taste when official debates are mentioned. Should go with the other plan and just pick out interesting debates made by members in the members debate forum, and give the creator of said debate the VIP when the debate is in full swing :/ Management Debates just add a needless rift between members and management, and the debates management make are rarely as interesting (seeing as they died for a reason first time round).

Did they not read this thread with the feedback on that idea? Why should they suggest "competitive" debates when they can just post them themselves? Doesn't seem very thought through to be honest :/

I disagree in that you seem to be suggesting that the person who starts the best debate thread will get their thread made official and they get VIP as a reward, which essentially means the person who spams out the most threads will likely get it and there will just be loads of threads that aren't perhaps needed. It's good to have a lot of discussions going and of course I'll never say otherwise on that point but in structured debates it isn't healthy to have 20 going at a time, or it just gets far too messy. If member debates were made into official ones once they've shown potential then I can't see a problem as long as the creator isn't credited automatically just for being the creator, but that needed to be cleared up before a huge mistake was made.

[Immenseman]

http://boardreader.com/sp/Habbox_UK_Forum_19111.html

That's depressing. It's a drastic change from what it was. People can grasp at suggestions for the slump as they please. I don't know the answer. One thing I know it isn't is the "time of the year". This time last year and for the last few years it hasn't been as dead as it is now. I provided the link to boardreader because to be top on an average week for the last 6 months you'd have to be 400+.

Now it's like 100, there have been times when it's been over 1500 (admittedly i'm the only one who has got that) but a few people have passed the 1000+ mark. At the end of the day a forum literally needs only a handful of people who contribute across the whole forum to make it active. CHF has this and it's far more active than HxF (amount of posts and posts per thread). Yet it has a smaller user base.

Oh, how one week makes a difference, http://boardreader.com/sp/Habbox_UK_Forum_19111.html. 100 would now only get you into 5/6th place rather than 1st/2nd :8

[Black_Apalachi]

jake there's bigger issues going on in the world right now

LIKE ANDRE ARSHAVIN

[FlyingJesus]

Beating Liverpool this season is hardly a big issue, the way they're playing The Big Issue ought to be half the squad's new employer next year

[The Professor]

It'll be sad to see nothing come of this thread :(

[Immenseman]

Sad, yeah. Surprise, no.

[Seatherny]

MattGarner is a pretty awesome community/people person.

I think Garion is more suited to that role - people person.

[le harry]

FlyingJesus needs to take over this joint.

Seriously.

[The Professor]

I second the above ^

[Favourtism]

Habbox is dyeing about because the older generation has left, and the newer generation are going to places such as HFFM/ClubHabbo as they are more visually appealing and modern. When they do come here they usually get flamed anyway.

[StefanWolves]

Habbox is dyeing about because the older generation has left, and the newer generation are going to places such as HFFM/ClubHabbo as they are more visually appealing and modern. When they do come here they usually get flamed anyway.
Summed it up perfectly.

[Seatherny]

Habbox is dyeing about because the older generation has left, and the newer generation are going to places such as HFFM/ClubHabbo as they are more visually appealing and modern. When they do come here they usually get flamed anyway.

Considering there are racists and people telling you who to support etc, I am not surprised.

Edit: Just went on CHF after over a year, man their xmas skin looks amazing.

[Hecktix]

I think I'm allowed to say this if not, oh well it's demonstrating a point.

How can we be expected to keep new members when a minority of older members are very rude to newer ones.

A member that joined this month forwarded me a PM they had recieved from a Gold member earlier, it was horrifically rude and damn right inappropriate tbh, so with people doing things like that, I'm not surprised to see we can't keep members.

[Favourtism]

Habbox is dyeing about because the older generation has left, and the newer generation are going to places such as HFFM/ClubHabbo as they are more visually appealing and modern. When they do come here they usually get flamed anyway.
Adding on to this, because there's nothing good on TV, there is only a few ways you can turn this around in my opinion.

1) Get a new layout; ignore if some members call it childish as they aren't the ones who will visit it everyday. It needs to appeal to the younger generation.

2) Have some staff who speak friendly and aren't stuck up, also crack down on the racist members who only argue.

@Oli Well done for having the nuts to say that mate

[Seatherny]

I think I'm allowed to say this if not, oh well it's demonstrating a point.

How can we be expected to keep new members when a minority of older members are very rude to newer ones.

A member that joined this month forwarded me a PM they had recieved from a Gold member earlier, it was horrifically rude and damn right inappropriate tbh, so with people doing things like that, I'm not surprised to see we can't keep members.

Why wouldn't you be allowed to say it.
And I fully agree. Admins need to reply alot more to posts. Make a new skin (don't need to delete any others ... just add a new one :S), something awesome like CHF Christmas Skin.

[Jamesy]

Adding on to this, because there's nothing good on TV, there is only a few ways you can turn this around in my opinion.

1) Get a new layout; ignore if some members call it childish as they aren't the ones who will visit it everyday. It needs to appeal to the younger generation.

2) Have some staff who speak friendly and aren't stuck up, also crack down on the racist members who only argue.

@Oli Well done for having the nuts to say that mate

New forum skins are under construction.

I also think the main site needs a new look, tad cluttered and the way it uses frames means the url always stay the same in the browser - frustrating if you need to share/ send links to people. Not sure why that is the case.

[Favourtism]

New forum skins are under construction.

I also think the main site needs a new look, tad cluttered and the way it uses frames means the url always stay the same in the browser - frustrating if you need to share/ send links to people. Not sure why that is the case.
The way frames are used is not to blame for the 'Forum going down hill' or even the site lol.

& Yes, maybe forum skins are under construction but are they good? If they aren't then Jin ought to PM me :L (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=6189767)

[Titch]

FlyingJesus needs to take over this joint.

Seriously.

quoted for truth.

[Jamesy]

Yes, maybe forum skins are under construction but are they good?

I'd like to think so.

[GommeInc]

Adding on to this, because there's nothing good on TV, there is only a few ways you can turn this around in my opinion.

1) Get a new layout; ignore if some members call it childish as they aren't the ones who will visit it everyday. It needs to appeal to the younger generation.

2) Have some staff who speak friendly and aren't stuck up, also crack down on the racist members who only argue.

@Oli Well done for having the nuts to say that mate
Older and younger generation are the same, and shunning the older generation away is unfair and a bad idea. A skin should appeal to both groups, the newer members and the older members. Skins aren't usually shunned away by older members, the main reason for this is that new skins proposed tend to be really crap in general and appear to just be old skins recoloured. And how do you propose to get feedback from new members? That's like thinking what to buy a baby that hasn't even been born yet, let alone conceived :/

From joining ClubHabboForum, and comparing the two (been a member on there for a while now), you really do notice a difference - Habbox seem to be a bit tradional while ChF appear more modern and open to discussions, not forgetting the whole management team seem to get active on the boards and make no effort to appear superior in anyway, they just act themselves :/ They also seem to post updates regarding what's happening in and around the forums, and one main difference is that all the forums are properly placed. HxF is showing its age by the amount of forums there are, in other words, there are too many forums added that could easily be combined together. You should only really care about having more forums when the main, generalised forums are over-crowded with at least a page of threads replied in on the same day.

The "Habbox" category on here is a prime example, you could remove alot of the forums in that category, and move some of the "Help / Questions / Feedback" forums into that category. The name of this category isn't what you'd think of as a category name anyway, it looks more like a forum name :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

Considering there are racists and people telling you who to support etc, I am not surprised.

Edit: Just went on CHF after over a year, man their xmas skin looks amazing.

..is that why you tell people who not to support?. The Debate/World News forums are one of the only forums left with any real discussion taking place, don't turn on that just because you don't agree with a large number of people perhaps disagreeing with your take on an event/party/issue.

On the main discussion, I think cut down and introduce a new style then - and it'd be nice if something actually came out of this thread so perhaps one of the people who have taken a big part in it could PM the recommendations to management? - or make another thread with them in, or even better, polls could be held on the various issues and then something can be done.

[Favourtism]

Older and younger generation are the same, and shunning the older generation away is unfair and a bad idea. A skin should appeal to both groups, the newer members and the older members. Skins aren't usually shunned away by older members, the main reason for this is that new skins proposed tend to be really crap in general and appear to just be old skins recoloured. And how do you propose to get feedback from new members? That's like thinking what to buy a baby that hasn't even been born yet, let alone conceived :/

From joining ClubHabboForum, and comparing the two (been a member on there for a while now), you really do notice a difference - Habbox seem to be a bit tradional while ChF appear more modern and open to discussions, not forgetting the whole management team seem to get active on the boards and make no effort to appear superior in anyway, they just act themselves :/ They also seem to post updates regarding what's happening in and around the forums, and one main difference is that all the forums are properly placed. HxF is showing its age by the amount of forums there are, in other words, there are too many forums added that could easily be combined together. You should only really care about having more forums when the main, generalised forums are over-crowded with at least a page of threads replied in on the same day.

The "Habbox" category on here is a prime example, you could remove alot of the forums in that category, and move some of the "Help / Questions / Feedback" forums into that category. The name of this category isn't what you'd think of as a category name anyway, it looks more like a forum name :P
Yeah, I never meant to shun old members, but to include the newer generation more in terms of the things you stated.

I think the main difference is the atmosphere, as you said management on chf act like normal users and no-one is overly professional to the point where they can't have a laugh and act like teens like on hxf. I admit it, when I was management here I acted like a stuck up **** but since being on CH a while I've relaxed a bit more.

A balance needs to be struck though, due to the total relaxed nature on CH, some management members are immature and hold grudges (I got permed there as a 'techie' hated me lol).

The rules are more lax etc on CH too which allows members to be friendly with moderators. When nvrspk4 gets back, hopefully he will overhall things.

[GommeInc]

Yeah, I never meant to shun old members, but to include the newer generation more in terms of the things you stated.

I think the main difference is the atmosphere, as you said management on chf act like normal users and no-one is overly professional to the point where they can't have a laugh and act like teens like on hxf. I admit it, when I was management here I acted like a stuck up **** but since being on CH a while I've relaxed a bit more.

A balance needs to be struck though, due to the total relaxed nature on CH, some management members are immature and hold grudges (I got permed there as a 'techie' hated me lol).

The rules are more lax etc on CH too which allows members to be friendly with moderators. When nvrspk4 gets back, hopefully he will overhall things.
Urgh, so true! The rules on there are pretty good. They don't have pointless ones like that, *cough* foreign language rule which was dreamt up late one night :P They're nicely presented too. Infact, to get to the rules you have to go through the FAQ on here, they used to be in the links bar above, but that got removed for some reason. Quite alot of the links above could be removed really, unneeded clutter. A vBulletin Calendar is found at the bottom of the page.

What HxF needs are nice, professional skins. Not the ones we have now which are quite basic really. Bog standard. Surely the graphics team could download one from vB, and jazz it up?

[Favourtism]

Urgh, so true! The rules on there are pretty good. They don't have pointless ones like that, *cough* foreign language rule which was dreamt up late one night :P They're nicely presented too. Infact, to get to the rules you have to go through the FAQ on here, they used to be in the links bar above, but that got removed for some reason. Quite alot of the links above could be removed really, unneeded clutter. A vBulletin Calendar is found at the bottom of the page.

What HxF needs are nice, professional skins. Not the ones we have now which are quite basic really. Bog standard. Surely the graphics team could download one from vB, and jazz it up?
Take a look at my thread mate ;)

I'd do Habbox a skin if they reformed everything as in rules etc :L

[Seatherny]

..is that why you tell people who not to support?. The Debate/World News forums are one of the only forums left with any real discussion taking place, don't turn on that just because you don't agree with a large number of people perhaps disagreeing with your take on an event/party/issue.

On the main discussion, I think cut down and introduce a new style then - and it'd be nice if something actually came out of this thread so perhaps one of the people who have taken a big part in it could PM the recommendations to management? - or make another thread with them in, or even better, polls could be held on the various issues and then something can be done.

Never told anyone who (not) to support in sports. I don't cry if people don't support the team I do.

[GommeInc]

Take a look at my thread mate ;)

I'd do Habbox a skin if they reformed everything as in rules etc :L
Where is this thread me dear? ;)

[Seatherny]

The way frames are used is not to blame for the 'Forum going down hill' or even the site lol.

& Yes, maybe forum skins are under construction but are they good? If they aren't then Jin ought to PM me :L (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=6189767)

I think he means that one ^^

[GommeInc]

Ahh okay, well the green one has a pretty good design. Stuff like that would modernise the forums at least. They do need to do something with the links at the top of the forum though. Alot of the links could go under "Quick Links", not everyone uses the Arcade so having it as one of the main links is a waste of a link.

[xxMATTGxx]

New forum skins are under construction.

I also think the main site needs a new look, tad cluttered and the way it uses frames means the url always stay the same in the browser - frustrating if you need to share/ send links to people. Not sure why that is the case.


The way frames are used is not to blame for the 'Forum going down hill' or even the site lol.

& Yes, maybe forum skins are under construction but are they good? If they aren't then Jin ought to PM me :L (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=6189767)


Take a look at my thread mate ;)

I'd do Habbox a skin if they reformed everything as in rules etc :L

That would only work if you made vb4 skins. Apart from that skins are in the works and so far, they look pretty neat. :)

[Favourtism]

That would only work if you made vb4 skins. Apart from that skins are in the works and so far, they look pretty neat. :)

Why would Habbox waste money updating to VB4 when they could stay at vb3 with a nice skin, and spend the money on a rly nice site layout etc :S

[xxMATTGxx]

Why would Habbox waste money updating to VB4 when they could stay at vb3 with a nice skin, and spend the money on a rly nice site layout etc :S

Because the license is already bought. So there is no going back now!

[Kevin]

forum is going downhill because the mods are hyperactive, and don't leave us alone.

[Nixt]

..is that why you tell people who not to support?. The Debate/World News forums are one of the only forums left with any real discussion taking place, don't turn on that just because you don't agree with a large number of people perhaps disagreeing with your take on an event/party/issue.

On the main discussion, I think cut down and introduce a new style then - and it'd be nice if something actually came out of this thread so perhaps one of the people who have taken a big part in it could PM the recommendations to management? - or make another thread with them in, or even better, polls could be held on the various issues and then something can be done.

I was thinking about opening some community polls. What kind of things would you like to see there?


Why would Habbox waste money updating to VB4 when they could stay at vb3 with a nice skin, and spend the money on a rly nice site layout etc :S

Because we can, and are, doing both.

[xxMATTGxx]

forum is going downhill because the mods are hyperactive, and don't leave us alone.

Being hyperactive can also been a good thing as well, no point having depressed Moderators.

[Nixt]

forum is going downhill because the mods are hyperactive, and don't leave us alone.

They only won't leave you alone if you break the rules. We've eased up on a couple of rules recently, and I don't think we're THAT harsh.

[Favourtism]

All I'm saying is have a look at CHF guys, they are less strict, more relaxed etc and there forum is way more popular in terms of posts a day now etc.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I was thinking about opening some community polls. What kind of things would you like to see there?

Because we can, and are, doing both.

Important things, things that really matter. Do you want a new skin? - and so on, not small changes but bigger changes. Do you want this colour VIP availble (or whatever its known as nowadays), you know them kind of things.

[GommeInc]

Important things, things that really matter. Do you want a new skin? - and so on, not small changes but bigger changes. Do you want this colour VIP availble (or whatever its known as nowadays), you know them kind of things.
Donator colour isn't important :P

What about seeing what forums to merge/get rid of? Or cut down the rules so it's not like reading through a Terms and Conditions section of a website when buying something :P

[StefanWolves]

There are too many forums really, hence why most of them seem dead, they should be narrowed down a bit.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Donator colour isn't important :P

What about seeing what forums to merge/get rid of? Or cut down the rules so it's not like reading through a Terms and Conditions section of a website when buying something :P

Exactly, I got warned for helping a buyer find a Blank Tower Trophy when he couldn't find one and had had no replys, whatever happened to common sense. True I could PM him, but when a forum is dying and when you think about it, all it is is a post on a Habbo forum which will be on the next page the day after, does it really really matter? - the individual answer is no, the Habbox rules answer is yes.

[visa]

i think this forum is doing well :)

[Seatherny]

Exactly, I got warned for helping a buyer find a Blank Tower Trophy when he couldn't find one and had had no replys, whatever happened to common sense. True I could PM him, but when a forum is dying and when you think about it, all it is is a post on a Habbo forum which will be on the next page the day after, does it really really matter? - the individual answer is no, the Habbox rules answer is yes.

Do you know someone selling one? I am interested in buying another one :) I think there's only 3 others on the hotel. One with me, one with :Jin:, forgot the name of the other 2 (but the last 2 might have sold it on now as its been a year since I spoke to them).

Its quite shocking to see how popular CHF is now and how those could have been members of habboxforum instead.

Unfortunately, ---MAD--- ruined the forum. I sent many PMs to sierk, made many posts asking him to be fired, but he just banned me. Honestly, nvrspk4 isn't any better and he shouldn't be the GM - maybe an AGM but I doubt he would like to be demoted and still work. We need someone who listens to everyone, is friendly, is mature and and not aged 13/14 (no offence but they aren't the best). We need a AGM for the Forum (I don't think one exists at the moment) and that should be Garion as he listens to everyone, is friendly and a people person.

A very good skin, like CHF Christmas Skin, is needed urgently. Dont just release it. Show us screen shots before you do, or to a few selected people (not just management/staff as thats useless) and get feedback and improve it before you release it. There is no point releasing a skin, people complaining and then you guys saying "not changing it now".

Habbox also needs management who actually play Habbo. When DJ-3000 and Anitar were managers, they played Habbo and were able to promote Habbox(Forum) and hence it was extremely active. I don't think majority of the higher management actually play Habbo properly. Habbox Help Desk rarely advertises or promotes the forum either (all credit to Alkaz for this point).

[Seatherny]

Further to my points above as I am unable to edit:

Rules also need to be relaxed even more. I got a user note for having a large avatar - 130x130. I realise that the FAQ says I am only allowed 120x120 as a Ruby Member but on the Avatar page, it said I can have 130x130, so it wasn't wholly my fault as whoever did the settings didn't put in the right values. User notes for such things is silly.
Once, instead of actually creating a new thread, I accidentally posted it as a post, I received a warning and user note for this, although the Moderator agreed it was an accident the user note was not deleted.
My point is that the rules should be relaxed even more. Only issue warnings and infractions for serious issues such as bullying, racism, abuse, posting to cause arguments. Things such as double post shouldn't lead to warnings as not many double post now a days.

Habbox(Forum) needs to change a lot, and very quickly, if it wishes to attract new members.

I also agree with whoever said its annoying when the URL for Habbox.com does not change when you navigate to a different page and isn't ideal if a person wishes to link someone to it.

[The Professor]

Further to my points above as I am unable to edit:

Rules also need to be relaxed even more. I got a user note for having a large avatar - 130x130. I realise that the FAQ says I am only allowed 120x120 as a Ruby Member but on the Avatar page, it said I can have 130x130, so it wasn't wholly my fault as whoever did the settings didn't put in the right values. User notes for such things is silly.
Once, instead of actually creating a new thread, I accidentally posted it as a post, I received a warning and user note for this, although the Moderator agreed it was an accident the user note was not deleted.
My point is that the rules should be relaxed even more. Only issue warnings and infractions for serious issues such as bullying, racism, abuse, posting to cause arguments. Things such as double post shouldn't lead to warnings as not many double post now a days.

That's not he rules' problem, that's just shocking moderating. I hope that was a trialist that did that!

[Alkaz]

That's not he rules' problem, that's just shocking moderating. I hope that was a trialist that did that!
Surely thats not the moderators fault but that of the whoms job it is to actually keep things like that updated when it is changed.

[Seatherny]

That's not he rules' problem, that's just shocking moderating. I hope that was a trialist that did that!

It was someone higher than a moderator :)

And I am told, I also have a user note as I posted "Buying Polar Sofas" in the Rare Forum and not Super Rare Forum. That's ridiculous. Surely the moderator could have just moved the thread and PMed me, didn't have to create a user note. Sometimes I wonder if its purely for their mod logs/reports which kind of makes Moderators want to issue warnings / user notes for the smallest of rule breakings.

[Favourtism]

It was someone higher than a moderator :)

And I am told, I also have a user note as I posted "Buying Polar Sofas" in the Rare Forum and not Super Rare Forum. That's ridiculous. Surely the moderator could have just moved the thread and PMed me, didn't have to create a user note. Sometimes I wonder if its purely for their mod logs/reports which kind of makes Moderators want to issue warnings / user notes for the smallest of rule breakings.

When I was a SMOD I was harsh 'cause of the importance that was placed on infractions/usernotes, dunno how it is now though.

[Seatherny]

When I was a SMOD I was harsh 'cause of the importance that was placed on infractions/usernotes, dunno how it is now though.

At this moment in time, they cant afford to be harsh.

Also, why should members stay if some department heads dont even reply to PMs/ideas?

I sent a PM with an idea to HotelUser/dogboy123, and got no reply. I had to go in HxHD and ask HotelUser to reply.
Considering they didn't reply, why should I send them any further ideas which I may have if I am not even going to get a reply - either good or bad. I appreciate they may be busy, but a reply with "good idea / crap idea / no thanks" doesn't take long. :s

[Alkaz]

I recently send a pretty important PM to both the manager and assistant of a department, of which only the assistant replied. I asked the manager - of which no response. As well as this, I sent a pretty long PM to a certain limey a while ago, of which no response. Each expressing certain concerns and ideas etc, it just bewilders me.

[Favourtism]

At this moment in time, they cant afford to be harsh.

Also, why should members stay if some department heads dont even reply to PMs/ideas?

I sent a PM with an idea to HotelUser/dogboy123, and got no reply. I had to go in HxHD and ask HotelUser to reply.

Considering what happened there, why should I send them any further ideas which I may have if I am not even going to get a reply - either good or bad.

No idea tbh, I tried to reply to all PM's when I was management but you do get extremely busy (or you did at least).

Miss the days of Adzeh/Yum, although I still loved it when Ollie/Me ran News too, was awesome lol.

[Black_Apalachi]

Habbox is dyeing about because the older generation has left, and the newer generation are going to places such as HFFM/ClubHabbo as they are more visually appealing and modern. When they do come here they usually get flamed anyway.

You know what, I hate to say it but this pretty much hits the nail on the head. The reason I hate it is because it means Habbox may need to start focusing on a much younger generation of Habbo users and I know a lot of existing members (myself included), won't exactly welcome such change with open arms as it means Habbox's image may have to become less "mature" if you like. Everyone keeps bangin on about Club Habbo and that site is definitely designed to be appealing to a younger audience.

Habbox's strife to avoid disappointing any of its members could be its ultimate downfall. Look at the likes of Habbo itself, they saw that their target market was getting younger and realised there were plenty of opportunities to be had in advertising etc. Meanwhile, the amount of customers obtained through the likes of fansites has pretty much reached its maximum potential, and hey presto, they have essentially just jibbed off those fansites as they are no longer valuable assets.

If Habbox is to grow, it needs to focus on the same audience as Habbo. That won't be nice for those of us who are used to the way Habbox is and always has been, but it may just be something we have to face. Either that, or live with the way Habbox is now, and stop complaining about it. Ultimately, it's down to what course of action Habbox management choose to pursue.


I think I'm allowed to say this if not, oh well it's demonstrating a point.

How can we be expected to keep new members when a minority of older members are very rude to newer ones.

A member that joined this month forwarded me a PM they had recieved from a Gold member earlier, it was horrifically rude and damn right inappropriate tbh, so with people doing things like that, I'm not surprised to see we can't keep members.

I was going to say that is shocking, but when I stop to think about it, it's not really. Just look at the Habbox Awards Nominations thread; in almost every post, the "Most friendly member" field has been left blank or says something along the lines of, 'there are no friendly members'.

Not intending a certain presidential cliché here, but it's time for change! :P

[Nixt]

It was someone higher than a moderator :)

And I am told, I also have a user note as I posted "Buying Polar Sofas" in the Rare Forum and not Super Rare Forum. That's ridiculous. Surely the moderator could have just moved the thread and PMed me, didn't have to create a user note. Sometimes I wonder if its purely for their mod logs/reports which kind of makes Moderators want to issue warnings / user notes for the smallest of rule breakings.

You had two for having threads moved. They were unnecessary, and I have deleted them both.


I recently send a pretty important PM to both the manager and assistant of a department, of which only the assistant replied. I asked the manager - of which no response. As well as this, I sent a pretty long PM to a certain limey a while ago, of which no response. Each expressing certain concerns and ideas etc, it just bewilders me.

I am always open to suggestions and reply to every PM I receive, where possible. It's a shame that you have not received a response from everyone you have contacted, but some people are very busy.

[Boonzeet]

hi.

Yeah, ironic of me to say this, but it's true. This forum declined heavily due to arrogance and oldfagism, thanks to members like myself being ******** to new members. There's little chance of recover.

Trust me, I'd love to help this site recover. If the community step together there's a chance.

Just we need to be a little more... modern lol.

[Seatherny]

You had two for having threads moved. They were unnecessary, and I have deleted them both.



I am always open to suggestions and reply to every PM I receive, where possible. It's a shame that you have not received a response from everyone you have contacted, but some people are very busy.

Thanks. I know you have replied in the past every time, b ut unfortunately there are some departments such as HxHD where they just feel the need to reply for whatever reason. I appreciate they may be busy, but if they have read the PM, then a 2 word reply wont take long :)

[xxMATTGxx]

Further to my points above as I am unable to edit:

Rules also need to be relaxed even more. I got a user note for having a large avatar - 130x130. I realise that the FAQ says I am only allowed 120x120 as a Ruby Member but on the Avatar page, it said I can have 130x130, so it wasn't wholly my fault as whoever did the settings didn't put in the right values. User notes for such things is silly.
Once, instead of actually creating a new thread, I accidentally posted it as a post, I received a warning and user note for this, although the Moderator agreed it was an accident the user note was not deleted.
My point is that the rules should be relaxed even more. Only issue warnings and infractions for serious issues such as bullying, racism, abuse, posting to cause arguments. Things such as double post shouldn't lead to warnings as not many double post now a days.

Habbox(Forum) needs to change a lot, and very quickly, if it wishes to attract new members.

I also agree with whoever said its annoying when the URL for Habbox.com does not change when you navigate to a different page and isn't ideal if a person wishes to link someone to it.


You are correct that they should of been deleted if it wasn't your mistake at all.





Surely thats not the moderators fault but that of the whoms job it is to actually keep things like that updated when it is changed.

I actually remember when it was 130x130 and when It got brought to my attention, it was changed.

I do agree that some rules need to be relaxed, the silly ones (you like to call them) during this time where we are trying to gather more members and posts etc etc. But that doesn't mean it's time for people to go round breaking the rules for the fun of it.

[Hecktix]

I can assure you that infractions are only issued at present for bullying, insulting, rudeness, inappropriate posting (sexual content, racism) and occasionally profile violations when members ignore requests by moderators to change avatars. This isnt me talking crap, its straight from the infractions forum.

Although it seems pointless us usernoting for pointless and multiple posting is essentially for our benefit. For instance if I came acrossa pointless post on the forum i'd then check their usernotes. If they have a large amount of usernotes for pointless posting clearly more sufficient action needs taking.

Its worth noting that all PMs mods send you should be usernoted. If you believe you have an unfair sanction on your record you should contact a Super Moderator (if sanction issued by moderator) or a member of management if it was issued by a smod.

:)

[hah]

I'd like to think so.

habbox will never have good skins unless they pay someone, i wouldn't be surprised if they used the old forum banners on the new skins

[Black_Apalachi]

Yeah you're right, my post was a load of crap and not worth reading. Let's argue about infractions instead.

[HotelUser]

habbox will never have good skins unless they pay someone, i wouldn't be surprised if they used the old forum banners on the new skins

I'm quite content with my classic forum skin :)

[Jamesy]

habbox will never have good skins unless they pay someone, i wouldn't be surprised if they used the old forum banners on the new skins

Prepare to be suprised then :P

[Kevin]

I got warned and got called a bully for making a lesbian joke bohoo, it's ridiculous.

[Favourtism]

Prepare to be suprised then :P
Every other Habbo forum or any forum infact gives their members previews or actually asks what skins they want.

[GoldenMerc]

Habbox has lost its touch to be fair, i remeber maybe 2 years ago i used to love to post but now its sort of a bore. Specially as every post you made on your old account gets banned pointlessly thats excellent!

[GommeInc]

Every other Habbo forum or any forum infact gives their members previews or actually asks what skins they want.
Indeed, and it would be good to see what it looks like so the community can review it before making it public. You could get a small group of able minded individuals to review it even :)

[Seatherny]

Every other Habbo forum or any forum infact gives their members previews or actually asks what skins they want.

Yep like I said earlier in this thread, get a select few to Beta test it and offer opinions.

[Jamesy]

Indeed, and it would be good to see what it looks like so the community can review it before making it public. You could get a small group of able minded individuals to review it even :)


Yep like I said earlier in this thread, get a select few to Beta test it and offer opinions.

I'll speak to Jin about it :).

[FlyingJesus]

a small group of able minded individuals


a select few

Surely those who make the skins and the management who review them are a select few, and I'd hope they're able minded. Can't ask for total democracy over things and then narrow it down to a small group lol

[Seatherny]

Surely those who make the skins and the management who review them are a select few, and I'd hope they're able minded. Can't ask for total democracy over things and then narrow it down to a small group lol

Thing is, if you ask everyone for opinion on the new skin, there will be so many different opinions, it might be hard. But then again, its up to them. Was just an idea.

[Kevin]

Habboxforum was a good community before habbox became official, since then it's been on a steady decline and I think that most of the members are sick of the rules, we're not even allowed to use the f* word when habbo even gives you the option to disable the bobba filter.


I'm confused at what sort of community you are trying to create? it's like a communist country.

[Favourtism]

Habboxforum was a good community before habbox became official, since then it's been on a steady decline and I think that most of the members are sick of the rules, we're not even allowed to use the f* word when habbo even gives you the option to disable the bobba filter.


I'm confused at what sort of community you are trying to create? it's like a communist country.

ch allow you to swear i think, but defo use pics of yourself for avs etc

[Kevin]

ch allow you to swear i think, but defo use pics of yourself for avs etc

You would sware to god this forum is run by 50 year olds who like to control people.

[The Professor]

You know what, I hate to say it but this pretty much hits the nail on the head. The reason I hate it is because it means Habbox may need to start focusing on a much younger generation of Habbo users and I know a lot of existing members (myself included), won't exactly welcome such change with open arms as it means Habbox's image may have to become less "mature" if you like. Everyone keeps bangin on about Club Habbo and that site is definitely designed to be appealing to a younger audience.

Habbox's strife to avoid disappointing any of its members could be its ultimate downfall. Look at the likes of Habbo itself, they saw that their target market was getting younger and realised there were plenty of opportunities to be had in advertising etc. Meanwhile, the amount of customers obtained through the likes of fansites has pretty much reached its maximum potential, and hey presto, they have essentially just jibbed off those fansites as they are no longer valuable assets.

If Habbox is to grow, it needs to focus on the same audience as Habbo. That won't be nice for those of us who are used to the way Habbox is and always has been, but it may just be something we have to face. Either that, or live with the way Habbox is now, and stop complaining about it. Ultimately, it's down to what course of action Habbox management choose to pursue.



I was going to say that is shocking, but when I stop to think about it, it's not really. Just look at the Habbox Awards Nominations thread; in almost every post, the "Most friendly member" field has been left blank or says something along the lines of, 'there are no friendly members'.

Not intending a certain presidential cliché here, but it's time for change! :P
QFT but personally I'm starting to doubt this will even get close to happening, this thread has been going for weeks and the response from people that can actually do things has been pretty horrific, all the important points seem to have been skipped over in favour of clarifying saurav's infractions and ******** about who can make the best skin. I hate to sound like a child who has a favoured parent but nvr always used to quote every post with substance and reply to it in some way. I feel bad for calling people out now lol but yknow it has to be said.

I draw the line at allowing swearing personally. I don't care if little kids like to eff and blind every third word it can be kept off the forum, lots of adult forums have filters, that doesn't make them petty or wrong or whatever. I'm sure lots of kids aged 12/13/14 like to look at porn too cos its all new and cool to them, but the forum wouldn't be a pleasant place with that everywhere.

[Meanies]

About the asking what people want in skins thing, it goes through management first and then gets released, then usually if it's a big change then someone makes a feedback thread and everyone that wants to has their say, just these suggestions aren't always put into action

[hah]

I'm quite content with my classic forum skin :)


Edited by invincible (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't be rude

[Kevin]

yeah but you hate change so you dont count

your post will probably get edited by a moderator for being rude to another forum member.

[Jamesy]

your post will probably get edited by a moderator for being rude to another forum member.

No but it gets a sarky comment from me since you obviously hold a grudge for some reason :rolleyes:

[Titch]

I'm quite content with my classic forum skin :)

*REMOVED*, we want to make this a place for YOUNG members, not old ones, the young new ones are the people of habbox's future, not the old ones!

Edited by invincible (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't be rude.

[hah]

*REMOVED*, we want to make this a place for YOUNG members, not old ones, the young new ones are the people of habbox's future, not the old ones!

+ rep babe

[Homosexual]

I had one of these threads going, what a mess and how wrong it was. This is what makes HxF go downhill.

[hah]

being rude is telling someone they get a +rep lmao what a joke also saying a user doesn't count is classed as being rude.. no wonder no one is joining

[The Professor]

No but it gets a sarky comment from me since you obviously hold a grudge for some reason :rolleyes:

I'd +rep you if you didn't have your rep disabled :P Woo for common sense moderating, oh wait...

Just so this isn't a completely troll post, I wholeheartedly agree with what Jamesy said and what phone said above, if that sort of moderating is standard then we may as well close this thread because MG has department policies to rethink!

[xxMATTGxx]

being rude is telling someone they get a +rep lmao what a joke also saying a user doesn't count is classed as being rude.. no wonder no one is joining

I'm confused by the first one to be honest. I don't see why it should be rude for saying +rep, but I can understand why for the second post you have mentioned.


I'd +rep you if you didn't have your rep disabled :P Woo for common sense moderating, oh wait...

Just so this isn't a completely troll post, I wholeheartedly agree with what Jamesy said and what phone said above, if that sort of moderating is standard then we may as well close this thread because MG has department policies to rethink!

I love you more and more everyday.

[hah]

I'm confused by the first one to be honest. I don't see why it should be rude for saying +rep, but I can understand why for the second post you have mentioned.


http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=6191554&postcount=334



So you're saying a warning should not have been given? or it should have, i never got a warning for the rep one i got it for the other one. But that rep edit was just stupid

[xxMATTGxx]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=6191554&postcount=334



So you're saying a warning should not have been given? or it should have, i never got a warning for the rep one i got it for the other one. But that rep edit was just stupid

The +rep one. If anything, its pointless not being rude. Which is why the edit has been removed. The other post, I can see the reason if you was warned for it.

[The Professor]

I love you more and more everyday.

You know it (L) Lol sorry I'm so ranty its just like... WTH DO SOMETHINGGG :'(

When I was FM we had like 2 smods cos some resigned and I had to fire one (I think) I had 3 people lined up to take their place and PM'd MAD asking for the go-ahead to make them smods. A week passed, the forum was slowly getting more chaotic and jobs were getting backlogged and no sign of a reply from MAD. I re-send the PM and pester him on MSN to get these people approved and politely explain the urgency of the situation. He then promptly logged off and I swear he blocked me because I didn't even see him online for another week. By this point I was so pissed off I just set up their permissions and announced them before he had a chance to veto it. I got a major telling off but I told him to stick it and two of the three turned out to be superb smods :) One was less so but whatchagonnado :P

The moral of the story, up the system, do stuffs before people stop you and jobs get done. Not that I'm suggesting you go against the wishes of ye olde jin and I'm sure he's more efficient than our dear friend MAD but yknow... urgency and all that... :)

[Inseriousity.]

I'd +rep you if you didn't have your rep disabled :P Woo for common sense moderating, oh wait...

Just so this isn't a completely troll post, I wholeheartedly agree with what Jamesy said and what phone said above, if that sort of moderating is standard then we may as well close this thread because MG has department policies to rethink!

Don't give them ideas, sheesh!
I think we need to start appealing to the younger members too because they are the future of Habbox, whether we like it or not, so +rep to sergio :)

edit: Oh I need to spread so I'm likely to forget, sorry. :(

[hah]

is there a date for vb4 btw????

[Homosexual]

is there a date for vb4 btw????

it was installed on tuesday

garion done it

true story

[xxMATTGxx]

is there a date for vb4 btw????

Probably when Vbulletin has released the gold version and the skins are ready. (Which shouldn't be that long)


it was installed on tuesday

garion done it

true story

Jin installed a test forum of the release candidate of Vb4. (Not Garion)

[Homosexual]

Garion said it was him. Another lie. Oh well.

[xxMATTGxx]

Garion said it was him. Another lie. Oh well.

I know you seem to have issues with him now over recent events but you don't need to post them in this thread. :(

[Jamesy]

is there a date for vb4 btw????

Around the middle of january to coincide with maintenance updates.

[Nixt]

Prof-Alex said that Management do not do enough to reply to posts and suggestions with substance, I hope this is satisfactory :P. I am going to be blunt and possibly controversial throughout this post. Because it needs to be done :P.


I have noticed this also, currently we are also having a problem with "Forum is going DOWN"

That's what I am currently working on at the moment. It would be nice if my GM would come back from leave.....

One of the first posts in this thread, and I think this iterates the fact that we NEED to sort out General Management. Nvr has to make a realistic decision as to whether he is going to come back and serve actively or whether he is going to step down. I think he is a great GM and I would quite happily see him come back, but it's time he made the decision and soon. I don't think he is at all suited to the CAGM job, not because of his personality but because of his time zone.


Its cus jakes banned, its just no the same without him.

Well he is unbanned now, and I won't deny there has been an improvement :).



such as groups and medals and the arcade (granted it's there but criminally underused and hard to access) and as a result the forum is simply behind the times.

In terms of groups what would you like to see? In regard to the arcade would you want completely unrestricted access? Either is a possibility. Criticisms are fine but suggestions as to how we can fix the problems you are mentioning are welcomed.


Yeah I think it is a case of becoming a bigger presence on Habbo again.

Brings me back to my point, that has been mentioned over and over that we need to see Management sorted out. It's beginning to get quite frustrating that nothing is happening, even for me. I recognise it might be a case of "oh who do we promote" but at the end of the day no one is going to be much different after Christmas - take a risk, make the promotions and see what happens.


Why is everyone glaring at me all of a sudden :(

:@


There's the 5-post approval stage (yes there's the reasons for this and 5 posts isn't so bad but it's bound to turn some people away)

Which I, quite frankly, would like to abolish. I think it's awful. We didn't have it before and I don't see why we need to have it, half the time someone makes a mistake and a dodgy thread gets approved anyway and we don't get that many... I'm not a big fan of the post approval system. Our Moderators have got a lot better at approval, but tbf I would get annoyed if I didn't see my post VERY quickly. This can't happen with this system.


I also agree with Garion about the need of a community AGM presence. They could potentially push forward these ideas a lot faster and more effectively than it is atm and Catzsy is ill so at the very least, a temporary manager may be required to fill the gap.

Quoted for truth.


it just dusnt feel the same as a couple of years ago like

Because you have grown up, and it just doesn't have the same appeal as it did when you first joined. Hence the reason we need to change so we attract and retain the newer Habbo generation. Retention of our current members is important too, but I think even they would like to see change.


Totally agree. Alot of places seem to think the word "argument" is a bad word, loads of forums follow this and it's come from absolutely no where :S

We have since changed the way in which we moderate - it would be interesting to see if you have noticed a change, and if so is it a positive one?



Not forgeting the "pointless post" edits. A pointless post should be pointless, since when were posts unrelated to the forum subject pointless?! Posts that relate to other posts should be allowed, an example is in this thread, where kk. got the evil red edit :rolleyes:

I don't think we're that harsh in regard to this rule? Perhaps if you could find a bounty of examples and explain why you thought each one was harsh I could agree or disagree more effectively, but at the moment I think we're quite fair. If we didn't enforce this rule quite well the forum would be worse than it already is for spam.




On the forum itself, cut back on the forums. It makes me really question why sub-forums such as Smiddys Shack were targeted even though they got a fair amount of posts, yet other forums such as the Report Rare Values (now sorted) were left, which had no recent posts at all.

Saurav recently posted a thread that suggested changes for the amount of forums we have etc. These changes are being discussed, and there are many we'd like to implement :).



A bit far to have a forum just for new people methinks, but one idea I've advocated before and will a few times again I'm sure is having a few more member groups to help people feel included in things.

What kinda groups were you thinking?


new userbars :/

I think we're working on that :).



---- SO in short, "official" or "recognisable" debates should be picked out from Members, IF a member has an interesting topic to debate all over.

I spoke to Jin about implementing the idea of having a debates forum leader. He didn't like the idea of reintroducing debates full stop.



All successful fansites are like that on UK. HFFM - owned by Carnio, he's 17 or 18. CHF owned by SkaterChu - 18+ ran by Jemmwah and Barmi - 18+. Hababble, owned by Cooshie, 20+ and ran by Beat (I think) 18+. They are the only sites I use and all of them are the same sort of ages as management on here. Just because they're old doesn't mean they're not Habbo users. All of those people are. They enter competitons and have a fan base so to speak. This is something Habbox seriously lacks. Not one of their general management users actively plays Habbo, same for Forum Management. This is why in my opinion Habbox has little influece on the Hotel in comparison to said sites.


I see what you are saying, but who do Habbox really have amongst the higher ranks who are really that "e-famous" or w/e. Okay there's sierk but he's never online, which is fair enough. nvr who is in the wrong time zone and isn't really around at the moment and obv Jin but he's well busy :(.




Personally this is what I would do:

GM - split between the next few for the time being. just have jin in charge for the last word type thing
AGM content - infrequent
AGM staff - Sammeth.
AGM community - MattGarner
Forum Manager - Garion
Assistant Forum Manager - Robbie/Invincible


Pretty much agree, not only because I get promotion either.


to be fair I would really like FlyingJesus to be part of higher management as he always has a very fair and well thought out approach to things and the thought process behind his points are always logical. He also was promised a job when that pointless community department closed down but nothing came to fruition (I dont know if I used that word in the right context, but its such a cute word).

FlyingJesus would be an excellent member of staff, if given the right position.


I reckon I should be FM. :rolleyes:

Awful idea.


On CHF, the debates are written by the debates leader on a weekly basis. They often take ideas from users in a stickied thread at the top of the debates forum called "Suggest debates here" or something similar. About not being hired, nvr told me even *I* would allowed to be hired if I behaved (yes he acknowledged my recent ban in this) Not that I have any interest but if I can then you certainly can :lol:

I suggested this idea and I wanted GommeInc as our leader. Jin said he couldn't see the point in reintroducing debates though.


Why wouldn't you be allowed to say it.
And I fully agree. Admins need to reply alot more to posts. Make a new skin (don't need to delete any others ... just add a new one :S), something awesome like CHF Christmas Skin.

We're working on new skins and I personally try to reply to threads as much as possible, I know it's also something our Moderators try to do as well :).



I do agree that some rules need to be relaxed, the silly ones (you like to call them) during this time where we are trying to gather more members and posts etc etc. But that doesn't mean it's time for people to go round breaking the rules for the fun of it.

Matt and I agree there should be some leniency then - but it would be interesting to see what rules you consider "too harsh". Reading through this thread I can only see people saying "we need to be able to post a pic of ourself in our avatars" and that's not really a major overhaul of the rules.


Habboxforum was a good community before habbox became official, since then it's been on a steady decline and I think that most of the members are sick of the rules, we're not even allowed to use the f* word when habbo even gives you the option to disable the bobba filter.

If we got rid of the filter, the wonders of immaturity would take hold on many of our members (sorry but it's true :P) and everyone would be swearing constantly. It would ruin all discussion.


You would sware to god this forum is run by 50 year olds who like to control people.

Pretty much.


QFT but personally I'm starting to doubt this will even get close to happening, this thread has been going for weeks and the response from people that can actually do things has been pretty horrific, all the important points seem to have been skipped over in favour of clarifying saurav's infractions and ******** about who can make the best skin. I hate to sound like a child who has a favoured parent but nvr always used to quote every post with substance and reply to it in some way. I feel bad for calling people out now lol but yknow it has to be said.

I have read through this thread and I have replied as much as possible. I've decided to quote a few posts of people who make key points and address them. Obviously there are many other posts, but they basically just repeat the points I have chosen to quote. The replies I have made above summarise what we are trying to do in regard to the issues raised. I do need a lot of clarification on some of the issues though.


being rude is telling someone they get a +rep lmao what a joke also saying a user doesn't count is classed as being rude.. no wonder no one is joining

I am pretty sure that got reversed.


it was installed on tuesday

garion done it

true story

I don't recall saying that. When you asked if it was being installed I merely winked. I didn't say it was me, I didn't say it was anyone, I didn't actually say it was being installed. I believe you are, once again, misconstruing what I have said.

[Martin]

I agree with Garion. I think what needs to be done involves making the forum more known on Habbo. There needs to be key figures in management that are frequently available to promote the forum, and sort these things out. Without a strong General management things don't get changed or acted upon. The sense of "Community" really feels low at the moment, and it sort of feels as if we are some sort of strict bussiness, that offers services but doesn't always create such a happy atmousphere whilst doing so.

We need to get Habbo users involved again, perhaps with more givaways and Habbo events. There are some technical things on the forum which could be modified to give members an easier experience when using our forums. As mentioned in the past, we seem to get the most "guests" viewing the forums, but not always so many members that stick around. Sometimes newer members don't always get the welcome to our community they deserve.

Things that I think could happen to help improve the forum (and Habbox as a fansite in general):



Not sure on this idea, but because we get so many guests viewing the forum, yet they don't sign up? Maybe making a limit on the amount of threads viewable before people have to sign up to the forum- this would then encourage them to post in topics. This is done on other forums, and works to get the member count up- sparking discussion, and making users more involved. Again not completely sure with this, but along with possibly removing the "post approval" system it seems a good way to get people to post.



Getting a strong staffing team. If people are away (be it Illness or other commitments) then a replacement (If only temporary) needs to be put in place straight away. The job roles are there for a reason, and without them things can slip.



Getting newer members involved. More chances to win, more fun, and a friendly atmousphere. We need to appear as a "community" and when there are arguments going on around the place it can affect the entire mood of the forum.



Some of the rules perhaps do need to be reviewed. We want the forum to be a safe, and friendly place, but at the same time we have to recognise that some of the forums get a lot of more "grown up" talk. I don't think that the filter should be removed completely, as people would simply abuse it as garion pointed out.



A lot of newer members will be quite young, and should be treated carefully. People take things to heart, and get impressions of the forum as a whole, affecting whether they come back or not. Being made fun of because they like Habbo (which is what our forum is based on) is simply wrong.



It's a shame Habbo doesn't recognise fansites more, and dedicate more time to them. Getting some Habbo staff incolved (even if only a radio stint or interview) would certainly attract a lot of the "habbo fanbase"'s attention. Habbo players want Habbo content, whilst at the same time having the convinience of lots of other interesting forums.




Does the forum look inviting? This is quite important, when people are browsing potential forums they want to spend their time on. It needs to look good, be easy to navigate and the content within it needs to focus on the needs of the members.


One example of the downfall of this forum, is some of the departments within it. In the past the departments have been thriving, and community support was on a high. News for example is a department which very rarely gets noticed these days. I feel we are in a small corner of Habbox, and I am currently working on ways to combat this. Hopefully Habbox News will get recognised more in 2010, and I will do my best to promote/and get people involved with the department. Each and every department needs to work on promoting themselves. Be it competitions, Habbo events, and improving the quality of the service they offer.

We need upper management who are prepared and have the required time to be able to dedicate time to the smaller departments. Communication is the key, and everyone needs to work together in these tough times to come up with permanent solutions. Hopefully as Garion pointed out, soon we will be clear on where we stand in regards to getting the help required to turn this place around.

[Kevin]

No but it gets a sarky comment from me since you obviously hold a grudge for some reason :rolleyes:

invincible is the reason

[xxMATTGxx]

invincible is the reason

I'm sorry for going to post this here. But I have noticed what you sent a fairly new member of this forum. They were that disgusted and upset regarding your PM they didn't want to stay on this forum at all. But due to the Moderation Department dealing with it, that member now wants to stay.

We are trying to encourage new members to join and stay active. We don't need other users pushing them away due to them being rude and offensive towards them in private messages.

[alexxxxx]

right, my ideas.

this forum has been quite noticeably struggling with getting new members. all i see when/where i post is people with post counts of thousands plus. alot of us have been on this forum for years (me personally will have been on here for SIX in march, if i stay on that long).

i don't know what goes on in habbo anymore, i havent been on it to 'play' for a couple of years now. but i'm aware of loads of changes. it looks like sulake is trying to suck up the community under their umbrella and you need to fight back.

i think management is an issue. i've never been involved in moderation nor any job here (even though I have applied several times), yet i have seen in the past what i'd call 'unexperienced' moderation, people who are relatively new to the community getting moderation jobs. Infact I remember at one point (im not sure if they're still on here), someone became a manager with hardly any posts at all. I think people need to prove themselves over time to show that they are capable of taking up responsibilities further up the community. there was a point where every other member seemed to have a job, whilst now management is alot more concentrated and when you have exams, work, the like i guess the amount of time you can devote to evolving the community is limited. The council was a failure. But maybe informal ideas should be taken into consideration more by the newer members.

I remember when alot of people left (perhaps the last 'generation') when there were scandles with Mizki and a load of others running off. There was alot of mis-management then with the main community and i think the worrying thing is that management aren't attracting new members. An Arcade that is PREVELANT, and maybe is joined up with the competitions dptmt (ie habbo prizes for arcade results etc). I know there's a HxHD but what is the deal with that? Does it act as a sort of habbox info centre in habbo? I think Hx and HxF needs to be advertised more. Maybe a return of HxTV? ^_^

I don't go on the habbo section of the forum anymore, i know i was brought here by habbo and then moved over to general forum area, this transition isn't really attractive as most people already have made certain friendships and crews with people (i haven't personally really, although i enjoy a dig at dan now and again ;)). I know I was intimidated with the cliques when i was making the 'transition' and i think a group system would help people get 'into' the general section (which is essentially the core of hxf).

I think a bit of research is in order. How old people are, which forums they visit. I'd hazard a guess the older members are in general and the younger members are in habbo. This is an issue that really needs to be resolved.

[hah]

yeah you need to hire mods who get involved


general mods - Bolt660, SuperNic., Laurensh1, syko2006

i have never seen any of the post in Spam before they became mods (cept syko2006) and even now they only talk to a select few and most of the time it's other staff, and there all well behaved members who don't know whats going on half the time. You need to hire more mods like oli, he is not so well behaved (or wasn't whatever way you wanna put that:P) but knows whats going on as he talks to nearly everyone and most people like him.

The people who seem to cry about oli and other mods are usually just in a pissy mood because they got a infraction or whatever

[Martin]

yeah you need to hire mods who get involved


general mods - Bolt660, SuperNic., Laurensh1, syko2006

i have never seen any of the post in Spam before they became mods (cept syko2006) and even now they only talk to a select few and most of the time it's other staff, and there all well behaved members who don't know whats going on half the time. You need to hire more mods like oli, he is not so well behaved (or wasn't whatever way you wanna put that:P) but knows whats going on as he talks to nearly everyone and most people like him.

The people who seem to cry about oli and other mods are usually just in a pissy mood because they got a infraction or whatever



Sometimes it can be good to have impartial mods too. Just because we don't neccasarily post frequently in spam, it does not mean we are not reading each and every thread contained within it. Spam often contains personal conversations, and you are right in saying it is mostly the same members that get involved.


and there all well behaved members who don't know whats going on half the time

In general I feel mods should be setting the perfect example. If they frequently break the rules they are trying to enforce, then that's not really setting a great example.

Some sections of the forum (Habbo, Tech, Gaming etc DO require a certain knowledge of what that forum is about. Spam is sort of a universal forum, where you don't need to be a "spam expert" to see when someone is breaking a habboxforum rule.


I'm sorry you feel like this, and I will do my best to increase the frequency that I post in within spam! :)

[Jamesy]

Sometimes it can be good to have impartial mods too. Just because we don't neccasarily post frequently in spam, it does not mean we are not reading each and every thread contained within it. Spam often contains personal conversations, and you are right in saying it is mostly the same members that get involved.



In general I feel mods should be setting the perfect example. If they frequently break the rules they are trying to enforce, then that's not really setting a great example.

Some sections of the forum (Habbo, Tech, Gaming etc DO require a certain knowledge of what that forum is about. Spam is sort of a universal forum, where you don't need to be a "spam expert" to see when someone is breaking a habboxforum rule.


I'm sorry you feel like this, and I will do my best to increase the frequency that I post in within spam! :)

I agree with Bolt.

Until I was hired I never posted much, but I make an effort to reply to threads that interest me. Moderators don't neccassarily need to reply to every single thread and know everyone, but getting involved with the community is a must.

[Hecktix]

I believe our current mods are more than satisfactory.

They all have a good understanding of the sections they are in.

Jamesy is a perfect example here, nobody even knew who the hell he was when he moderated in General, yet the majority of his moderation showed understanding of the posts he was moderating.

The problem with mods getting involved in areas like spam is the danger that they will become too involved. I post a lot in spam and other areas of the forum and I try to ensure I have an understanding of most members, but that's probably because I'm sad and have a lot of spare time.

The introduction of syko2006 to the team was a good move imo and this will put another moderation face who posts in general section, although Bolt660 and SuperNic. also do a fantastic job in the general forums.

[StefanWolves]

I believe our current mods are more than satisfactory.

They all have a good understanding of the sections they are in.

Jamesy is a perfect example here, nobody even knew who the hell he was when he moderated in General, yet the majority of his moderation showed understanding of the posts he was moderating.

The problem with mods getting involved in areas like spam is the danger that they will become too involved. I post a lot in spam and other areas of the forum and I try to ensure I have an understanding of most members, but that's probably because I'm sad and have a lot of spare time.

The introduction of syko2006 to the team was a good move imo and this will put another moderation face who posts in general section, although Bolt660 and SuperNic. also do a fantastic job in the general forums.
You're not sad babez. :(

But I totally agree with your post, and the above post above yours I also agree with.

[le harry]

hi.

Yeah, ironic of me to say this, but it's true. This forum declined heavily due to arrogance and oldfagism, thanks to members like myself being ******** to new members. There's little chance of recover.

Trust me, I'd love to help this site recover. If the community step together there's a chance.

Just we need to be a little more... modern lol.

Who are you? Stop trying to make yourself sound important Mr. June 07.

:eusa_wall

[FlyingJesus]

Brings me back to my point, that has been mentioned over and over that we need to see Management sorted out. It's beginning to get quite frustrating that nothing is happening, even for me. I recognise it might be a case of "oh who do we promote" but at the end of the day no one is going to be much different after Christmas - take a risk, make the promotions and see what happens.

Frankly if the right people are put up top then who gets delegated the lower positions throughout management can easily be changed around if it turns out they're not suitable after all. I wouldn't say that all of management needs a reshuffle but for those areas that are struggling it may be better to attempt new staffing rather than allow it to continue to decline - nothing can get worse with some departments I'm sure so there's nothing to lose.


Which I, quite frankly, would like to abolish. I think it's awful. We didn't have it before and I don't see why we need to have it, half the time someone makes a mistake and a dodgy thread gets approved anyway and we don't get that many... I'm not a big fan of the post approval system. Our Moderators have got a lot better at approval, but tbf I would get annoyed if I didn't see my post VERY quickly. This can't happen with this system.

Even if only one post needed approving I think it would be a far better system. I believe it was put in place to stop spambots, but these are easily caught by their first post and can be dealt with then if necessary, rather than inconvenience members potentially over a number of days if they aren't posting lots as soon as they sign up.


What kinda groups were you thinking?

Well I did go on to talk about that in the same paragraph :P


FlyingJesus would be an excellent member of staff, if given the right position.

This is true I'm incredible at everything.


If we got rid of the filter, the wonders of immaturity would take hold on many of our members (sorry but it's true :P) and everyone would be swearing constantly. It would ruin all discussion.

I agree, sometimes it's annoying that you can't swear but in general it just isn't necessary and wouldn't further any discussion. I think most words that were on the filter that didn't need to be have been removed now.





Not sure on this idea, but because we get so many guests viewing the forum, yet they don't sign up? Maybe making a limit on the amount of threads viewable before people have to sign up to the forum- this would then encourage them to post in topics. This is done on other forums, and works to get the member count up- sparking discussion, and making users more involved. Again not completely sure with this, but along with possibly removing the "post approval" system it seems a good way to get people to post.
Nononononono. This has come up before and been shot down, because it essentially means we're driving away a large viewing traffic for the bounty of perhaps a handful of new users, most of which (as was once shown by current figures of the time) won't even post anyway. New arrivals as a number isn't a real problem, it's more just the fact that those who are signing up don't stick about.




Getting a strong staffing team. If people are away (be it Illness or other commitments) then a replacement (If only temporary) needs to be put in place straight away. The job roles are there for a reason, and without them things can slip.
This one I do agree with. I know everybody loves Rosie and she's a fantastic person but when you're away such a long time there does need to be a cutoff point, and I'm sure she'd understand that 100%.




Getting newer members involved. More chances to win, more fun, and a friendly atmousphere. We need to appear as a "community" and when there are arguments going on around the place it can affect the entire mood of the forum.
A lot of newer members will be quite young, and should be treated carefully. People take things to heart, and get impressions of the forum as a whole, affecting whether they come back or not. Being made fun of because they like Habbo (which is what our forum is based on) is simply wrong.
This is something that I've seen plenty of times (the latter that is) and even recently I've been approached by a victim of it who did get upset and may not be sticking around because of it. What people need to remember is that we all started on Habbo and no matter how cool you think you are now there is no reason at all to slate someone for doing what they enjoy.

[StefanWolves]

Frankly if the right people are put up top then who gets delegated the lower positions throughout management can easily be changed around if it turns out they're not suitable after all. I wouldn't say that all of management needs a reshuffle but for those areas that are struggling it may be better to attempt new staffing rather than allow it to continue to decline - nothing can get worse with some departments I'm sure so there's nothing to lose.



Even if only one post needed approving I think it would be a far better system. I believe it was put in place to stop spambots, but these are easily caught by their first post and can be dealt with then if necessary, rather than inconvenience members potentially over a number of days if they aren't posting lots as soon as they sign up.



Well I did go on to talk about that in the same paragraph :P



This is true I'm incredible at everything.



I agree, sometimes it's annoying that you can't swear but in general it just isn't necessary and wouldn't further any discussion. I think most words that were on the filter that didn't need to be have been removed now.

[/LIST]
Nononononono. This has come up before and been shot down, because it essentially means we're driving away a large viewing traffic for the bounty of perhaps a handful of new users, most of which (as was once shown by current figures of the time) won't even post anyway. New arrivals as a number isn't a real problem, it's more just the fact that those who are signing up don't stick about.

[/LIST]
This one I do agree with. I know everybody loves Rosie and she's a fantastic person but when you're away such a long time there does need to be a cutoff point, and I'm sure she'd understand that 100%.

[/LIST]
This is something that I've seen plenty of times (the latter that is) and even recently I've been approached by a victim of it who did get upset and may not be sticking around because of it. What people need to remember is that we all started on Habbo and no matter how cool you think you are now there is no reason at all to slate someone for doing what they enjoy.
My idea didn't get shot down at all, you just disagreed with it, so staff followed you.

If this man becomes part of staff the power will go to his head. If this man becomes part of staff I will leave this forum.

[FlyingJesus]

I must have forgotten that backing up a point with facts and figures showing that an idea is unnecessary and having everyone with the power to implement it agree with me isn't the same as it being shot down, my bad.

There's no room in my head for a powersurge, my ego's already at maximum so don't fear for me little one. One day you may understand that having someone disagree with you on a single point doesn't make them a terrible terrible person.

[emotional]

i'll sell you chf's xmas skin for a mod or blow job. i'm not fussy.

[hah]

Sometimes it can be good to have impartial mods too. Just because we don't neccasarily post frequently in spam, it does not mean we are not reading each and every thread contained within it. Spam often contains personal conversations, and you are right in saying it is mostly the same members that get involved.



In general I feel mods should be setting the perfect example. If they frequently break the rules they are trying to enforce, then that's not really setting a great example.

Some sections of the forum (Habbo, Tech, Gaming etc DO require a certain knowledge of what that forum is about. Spam is sort of a universal forum, where you don't need to be a "spam expert" to see when someone is breaking a habboxforum rule.


I'm sorry you feel like this, and I will do my best to increase the frequency that I post in within spam! :)


You have 668 posts in a year.. its quite obvious you DONT get that much involved



i'll sell you chf's xmas skin for a mod or blow job. i'm not fussy.

clubhabbo xmas skin is so nice lol
better than the Halloween re edit with 06 banner we have

[emotional]

You have 668 posts in a year.. its quite obvious you DONT get that much involved




clubhabbo xmas skin is so nice lol
better than the Halloween re edit with 06 banner we have
thanks hun!! took a fair time to do but i'm proud of it (H)

[hah]

How much did they pay for that skin?????


ALSO CAN WE MERGE EVENTS AND COMPS AND HAVE A COMMUNITY AGM IN CHARGE OF THEM AND NO MANAGERS????

[emotional]

i did it for free :]

[hah]

this forum is gonna turn into Habbodiscussion

[The Professor]

Props to garion for that post, even saying things like "I said xyz to jin and he told me to stick it" is better than hearing nothing at all :P

As for specifics, I think that's kinda besides the point. There are general principles that need to be addressed first, presence on habbo, rules overhaul (personally I don't think that's necessary but w/e), drive to make the forum more modern etc. If you announce you're going to do something and ask for suggestions on specifics I'm sure you'll get some, its kinda unreasonable to expect it out of the blue though :P

[alexxxxx]

You have 668 posts in a year.. its quite obvious you DONT get that much involved.

i agree..

you might not have as much time to spend on this forum as we do, but i think moderators who are integral members of the community. 600posts in a year isn't getting involved, it's 2 posts a day.

we need sensible moderation by people who understand what's happening in a thread, not trying to show to a manager that they're doing their job. Moderators aren't meant to be police, they're meant to make a forum run smoothly.

we need to adress the issue of members not staying.. or converting guests into members.

[Jamesy]

i agree..


If you're going to rate moderation based on post count then theres no hope for any of us.

Martin's a bloody good moderator, and news manager. Just because he doesn't post as frequently as some of the more outspoken members doesn't detract from him as a member.

This thread seems to waiver between making one good point followed by 4 pages of complaining about a specific person or department. I'd like to thank everyone who does make constructive posts with reasoning, and tell others that throw out accusations and unreasoned suggestions that they are hurting their cause by drowning out the quality posts.

[Martin]

i agree..

you might not have as much time to spend on this forum as we do, but i think moderators who are integral members of the community. 600posts in a year isn't getting involved, it's 2 posts a day.

we need sensible moderation by people who understand what's happening in a thread, not trying to show to a manager that they're doing their job. Moderators aren't meant to be police, they're meant to make a forum run smoothly.

we need to adress the issue of members not staying.. or converting guests into members.


Tbh, I'm on this forum a hell of a lot. There isn't a single day when I don't spend at least 4-5 hours on here. Sad? maybe? but I enjoy it. I don't see how you can base moderation around post count like that. 2 Posts per day isn't a fair comparison, as I could of posted a lot less when I first joined. Everyone is always so concerened with post count, but that's just a number. If I want to post in discussions then I will- but aslong as I'm at least reading them and doing my job of moderating them, then I don't see where your problem is.

Honestly, I make a post in this thread, offering feedback, and then it turns into a "slate the mod" thread- which we get lots of.

No wonder nothing gets done, when the people who WANT to help get unfairly critisised. There are lots of things that need improving, yet people still find time to upset people. I'm sorry If my low postcount has offended anyone, I will do my best to post in mulitple threads from now on, but I don't enjoy posting in forums when there is an "unhappy" mood to the place. Moderators are treated like dirt sometimes, when they are offering up their time to do as you say "make the forum run smoothly". I can easily understand what's happening in a thread by reading it.

[alexxxxx]

If you're going to rate moderation based on post count then theres no hope for any of us.

Martin's a bloody good moderator, and news manager. Just because he doesn't post as frequently as some of the more outspoken members doesn't detract from him as a member.

This thread seems to waiver between making one good point followed by 4 pages of complaining about a specific person or department. I'd like to thank everyone who does make constructive posts with reasoning, and tell others that throw out accusations and unreasoned suggestions that they are hurting their cause by drowning out the quality posts.
im not doubting he's a good moderator and understandably people don't want their web community going the pan. but i think there is an argument that people who post more and become truly involved will be more respected. we don't need people who are 'above' the others like it is atm. we need people who can prove their worth over a long length of time and making an effort to get themselves involved. They've already gained the respect, they've seen arguments before, they know everyone, they sort it out. Change the text from red to blue. it looks a lot less authoritarian.

I have made a long post earlier which seemed to get ignored altogether.

also, staff need to be able to take some amount of critisism. just because i might have said something that you don't agree with doesn't mean i have to be hounded upon saying i'm destroying the entire thread. i'm entitled to my opinion and i've given it.

[Inseriousity.]

right, my ideas.

this forum has been quite noticeably struggling with getting new members. all i see when/where i post is people with post counts of thousands plus. alot of us have been on this forum for years (me personally will have been on here for SIX in march, if i stay on that long).

i don't know what goes on in habbo anymore, i havent been on it to 'play' for a couple of years now. but i'm aware of loads of changes. it looks like sulake is trying to suck up the community under their umbrella and you need to fight back.

i think management is an issue. i've never been involved in moderation nor any job here (even though I have applied several times), yet i have seen in the past what i'd call 'unexperienced' moderation, people who are relatively new to the community getting moderation jobs. Infact I remember at one point (im not sure if they're still on here), someone became a manager with hardly any posts at all. I think people need to prove themselves over time to show that they are capable of taking up responsibilities further up the community. there was a point where every other member seemed to have a job, whilst now management is alot more concentrated and when you have exams, work, the like i guess the amount of time you can devote to evolving the community is limited. The council was a failure. But maybe informal ideas should be taken into consideration more by the newer members.

I remember when alot of people left (perhaps the last 'generation') when there were scandles with Mizki and a load of others running off. There was alot of mis-management then with the main community and i think the worrying thing is that management aren't attracting new members. An Arcade that is PREVELANT, and maybe is joined up with the competitions dptmt (ie habbo prizes for arcade results etc). I know there's a HxHD but what is the deal with that? Does it act as a sort of habbox info centre in habbo? I think Hx and HxF needs to be advertised more. Maybe a return of HxTV? ^_^

I don't go on the habbo section of the forum anymore, i know i was brought here by habbo and then moved over to general forum area, this transition isn't really attractive as most people already have made certain friendships and crews with people (i haven't personally really, although i enjoy a dig at dan now and again ;)). I know I was intimidated with the cliques when i was making the 'transition' and i think a group system would help people get 'into' the general section (which is essentially the core of hxf).

I think a bit of research is in order. How old people are, which forums they visit. I'd hazard a guess the older members are in general and the younger members are in habbo. This is an issue that really needs to be resolved.

We recently started an Arcade Tournament (8 tournaments of 8 then the final). Technical difficulties keep stalling it up but we'll get it finished eventually! The main problem with the competitions department is its advertising but our new year's resolution is to try and change this around. Recently, we've been hijacking entering events and advertising competitions in there to maybe attract the non-Habbox users to sign up to the forum. :)

I love the idea of HxTV (I wasn't here when it was first going) but they tried bringing it back before, under the Productions Department, and it wasn't much of a success tbh. That may be because of the fact that the staff had to do ALL of the work; the writing, the directing etc... but it was hard (I was one of the staff on the revived attempt).

I didn't multi-quote but to the person who said that Comps and Events should be merged, I would feel sorry for the manager who had to handle that :P. While it sounds like an easy thing to do, I don't think it would work realistically. I'm currently doing manager of one, trialist of the other and it's bloody hard work! It'd be unfair to expect all of the staff to do that.

[hah]

i doubt it, not like competitions do much work anymore

[Barmi]

i'll sell you chf's xmas skin for a mod or blow job. i'm not fussy.
Split the profits or I call foul!! (Try selling it and I'll disown ya.)

From personal experience, I totally agree with the observations re older forum members. Some of those that have been here the longest, or have the largest egos, are generally dominating certain sections in an aggressive fashion.

Take most threads in the technology forum, and it's almost a case of paying deference to who the users there believe is the über god. Take any forum discussing current affairs and it suddenly turns into a conservative EU discussion forum where there is only one correct view, imposed by a select few.

[Inseriousity.]

i doubt it, not like competitions do much work anymore

The competitions department works very hard, most of the work you can't see as it's mostly behind the scenes. All you get is the final product, you don't see the work that goes into it beforehand, so I have to disagree with your comments. :)

[Jamesy]

Split the profits or I call foul!! (Try selling it and I'll disown ya.)

From personal experience, I totally agree with the observations re older forum members. Some of those that have been here the longest, or have the largest egos, are generally dominating certain sections in an aggressive fashion.

Take most threads in the technology forum, and it's almost a case of paying deference to who the users there believe is the über god. Take any forum discussing current affairs and it suddenly turns into a conservative EU discussion forum where there is only one correct view, imposed by a select few.

Oli and I have been discussing 'elitism' tonight and have informed the moderation department it comes under either being Rude, or being a negative factor.

Please if you do see someone being put down in an agressive/ egotistical (but clearly not joking) way report it or message us.

[hah]

The competitions department works very hard, most of the work you can't see as it's mostly behind the scenes. All you get is the final product, you don't see the work that goes into it beforehand, so I have to disagree with your comments. :)

oh lets think of a comp for this week :S:S:S lets ask a dj to advertise out comps????




iapps is always rude in tech, deserves a ban from it for like a month... a new user was offering something free and he attacked them.. i was like wat:S:S:

sorry if this is targeting users

and we all know who hates the eu.. im sick of all the threads just because he is anti labour

[GommeInc]

iapps is always rude in tech, deserves a ban from it for like a month... a new user was offering something free and he attacked them.. i was like wat:S:S
Attack 'em back, it's how alot of forums do it - member moderation, if you disagree with something or how someone has acted, you make it clear - not in a rude "STHU" sort of way, just point out that it's stupid attacking another member for something so petty and trivial.

[Barmi]

Attack 'em back, it's how alot of forums do it - member moderation, if you disagree with something or how someone has acted, you make it clear - not in a rude "STHU" sort of way, just point out that it's stupid attacking another member for something so petty and trivial.
Many people, I suspect prospective members, don't want to have to be aggressive to fight their own corner. If member B cannot tolerate member A's opinion, that should not be member A's problem.

@Jamesy: Thanks, that's reassuring!

@phone: Yup, a select few users put me off using the forum regularly... which is a real shame because I've enjoyed Habbox for years.

[Inseriousity.]

oh lets think of a comp for this week :S:S:S lets ask a dj to advertise out comps????



and we all know who hates the eu.. im sick of all the threads just because he is anti labour

It used to be: Think of a comp, wait for it to end, choose a winner. But I don't let them get away with just that anymore so they do a lot more :P

I agree about the eu. All the threads in the debates forum seem to turn into EU-arguments

[hah]

Attack 'em back, it's how alot of forums do it - member moderation, if you disagree with something or how someone has acted, you make it clear - not in a rude "STHU" sort of way, just point out that it's stupid attacking another member for something so petty and trivial.

i did :P

[Hecktix]

oh lets think of a comp for this week :S:S:S lets ask a dj to advertise out comps????




iapps is always rude in tech, deserves a ban from it for like a month... a new user was offering something free and he attacked them.. i was like wat:S:S:

sorry if this is targeting users

and we all know who hates the eu.. im sick of all the threads just because he is anti labour

If you believe a user is tormenting other users Graham please do get in touch and it'll be sorted, you can get in touch by PMing a S'mod, reporting it via the button or posting it in the "Report Serious Abuse" forum :)

[hah]

If you believe a user is tormenting other users Graham please do get in touch and it'll be sorted, you can get in touch by PMing a S'mod, reporting it via the button or posting it in the "Report Serious Abuse" forum :)

thanks for telling me, i never knew how to report a post.. now i do

[Hecktix]

thanks for telling me, i never knew how to report a post.. now i do

Well instead of moaning about it in here you could report it, we don't have a moderator in tech atm to pick up on these things.

[hah]

Well instead of moaning about it in here you could report it, we don't have a moderator in tech atm to pick up on these things.

i wasn't moaning, i was replying to a post about users being negative and i was giving examples

dunno why your so bitter babes x :(

[EmoGilly]

I only come on now and again, and i do notice loads of threads with barely any posts on... i dunno, its like people seem to not try and keep threads alive.

[Hecktix]

i wasn't moaning, i was replying to a post about users being negative and i was giving examples

dunno why your so bitter babes x :(

I'm not being bitter lol

[Chippiewill]

I personally do not believe there is Elitism in the Technology section so much, perhaps in Designing & Development there has been, but in Technology Discussion it's virtually non-existant... (Although there are perhaps a select few who are respected more than a new forum user would)

[Jamesy]

I personally do not believe there is Elitism in the Technology section so much, perhaps in Designing & Development there has been, but in Technology Discussion it's virtually non-existant... (Although there are perhaps a select few who are respected more than a new forum user would)

I agree with Des and Dev. Instead of a free flow of ideas and creativity which in my opinion is what web development should be about, it's just a user posting a new idea or half finished template while everyone hammers them with questions about their financial status or just plain telling them they are going to fail.

I am extremely happy with Tech Discussion. There are more respected users, which is fine and dandy. They are people who know what they are talking about and always lend a hand.

The people we want to crack down on are people who use whatever status they see as above others to put them down.

[Smits]

I only come on now and again, and i do notice loads of threads with barely any posts on... i dunno, its like people seem to not try and keep threads alive.


Yeah, unless the thread creator keeps replying to posts, threads die out pretty quickly.

[hah]

what happened to the checking of all words on the filter that was proposed like 2-3months ago? forgot? not even surprised

[Black_Apalachi]

I'm sorry for going to post this here. But I have noticed what you sent a fairly new member of this forum. They were that disgusted and upset regarding your PM they didn't want to stay on this forum at all. But due to the Moderation Department dealing with it, that member now wants to stay.

We are trying to encourage new members to join and stay active. We don't need other users pushing them away due to them being rude and offensive towards them in private messages.

So why don't the rude and offensive people just get banned? :S That is what I really don't get about this forum. People are allowed to continue causing trouble for way too long before they've racked up enough infractions to be banned.

I reckon it would be a good idea to give Super Mods and above the power to just say, 'Right, this member has caused a situation on a few occasions and doesn't show any signs of contributing to the forum positively' so that the team of Super Mods or forum management can vote or make some sort of judgement on whether the member should just be banned. I know this sounds harsh but it's a really vague description of what I mean. If it was put into practice it would be a bit more complex. I'm just saying, the likes of Oli* and Garion* etc obviously have the ability to make cool, calculated decisions such as this so I could honestly see it working well. Then we would see a lot less people being dragged down and getting warnings but more importantly, there would be less new members being scared away by the miserable ones.

It would essentially be more subjective moderating mixed in with the current more objective style of moderating.

*OOPS I'M SUCKING UP CALL THE POLICE.

On a side note, you know all the discussions there were about whether it should be against the rules to call someone a "liar"? Well I believe it should be against the rules to call someone a "suck-up" or accuse them of "sucking up" because quite frankly, it causes as many arguments as any other insult or accusation. The bit that really aggravates me about it is, why on Earth would I need to suck up to anybody? :S It's not like I'm after a job or something. I have nothing to gain from it so anyone who says it is clearly just talking out the arse and is looking for an argument.

I'm pretty sure anyone else who experiences it feels the same way. The difference with me is that it just makes me look for ways to blatantly suck up to people because it gets funny after a while when people complain about it :P.


:angel1: IMMENSEMAN IS THE GOD OF THE INTERNET :angel1:

[Seatherny]

If this man becomes part of staff the power will go to his head. If this man becomes part of staff I will leave this forum.

I really hope that FlyingJesus becomes staff now :eusa_danc

Habbox needs to find a way to attract "famous" Habbos or get management to become famous Habbos.

The reason why this forum was so popular when DJ-3000, Anitar and Seacat ran it was because they were all e-famous.

In all honesty, I have rarely seen a Habbox Giveaway in a long long time. Everytime I log on habbo, I always see a HFFM or ClubHabbo giveaway at the top of the Navigator. I have no idea if they give out loads of furni every day or what, but some of their giveaways make habbos sign up to CHF before they can get a furni etc. This gets them more and more members.

This is what Habbox needs to try and do. Do regular weekly giveaways and promote the forum like crazy during it. FORCE them to sign up. Yes that sometimes isnt good but if it gets more active members then its bloody awesome. CHF have done it and its obviously seemed to work ...

[Grig]

If you go to the welcome forums and just go through some threads, you will see cases where staff are launching arguments. This has been a case for a long time and I don't think it's taken as seriously. Seriously, members need to feel welcome without older members or staff launching full blown arguments or flame wars.

[Seatherny]

Another idea which many forums, including mine when it existed, is to use an auto-reply in the Welcome forum. Believe it or not, but it actually helps alot. Tell them a bit about the forum and what it offers maybe and where the rules are.

Going back to moderators being active, I think they need to post a fair amount around the forum, not necessarily in the forum they Moderate. I would love to know how JamesOYES became a moderator considering he only has 14 posts this month. That's less than 1 a day!

[hah]

Another idea which many forums, including mine when it existed, is to use an auto-reply in the Welcome forum. Believe it or not, but it actually helps alot. Tell them a bit about the forum and what it offers maybe and where the rules are.

Going back to moderators being active, I think they need to post a fair amount around the forum, not necessarily in the forum they Moderate. I would love to know how JamesOYES became a moderator considering he only has 14 posts this month. That's less than 1 a day!

I said the same thing about him in the thread that congragulated them, I remember to become a mod with other forum managers you needed a certain amount of post to prove your active and you needed to be a member for 6 months, god knows why he got it

[Jamesy]

I said the same thing about him in the thread that congragulated them, I remember to become a mod with other forum managers you needed a certain amount of post to prove your active and you needed to be a member for 6 months, god knows why he got it



Going back to moderators being active, I think they need to post a fair amount around the forum, not necessarily in the forum they Moderate. I would love to know how JamesOYES became a moderator considering he only has 14 posts this month. That's less than 1 a day!

If you have a complaint go here: http://habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1331

This thread is not the place for it.

[Seatherny]

If you have a complaint go here: http://habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1331

This thread is not the place for it.

I wasn't complaining :S I was saying, and so was 'phone' that we need Moderators who contribute to discussions.

[Hecktix]

I wasn't complaining :S I was saying, and so was 'phone' that we need Moderators who contribute to discussions.

Yes but it is not fair to single individuals out.

[Seatherny]

Yes but it is not fair to single individuals out.

I apologise but I was simply giving an example.

[Nixt]

what happened to the checking of all words on the filter that was proposed like 2-3months ago? forgot? not even surprised

That is not something Matt or I can do, otherwise we would. Only Jin and nvr (I think) have access to those options and so it would be up to them to look through it.


So why don't the rude and offensive people just get banned? :S That is what I really don't get about this forum. People are allowed to continue causing trouble for way too long before they've racked up enough infractions to be banned.

I think the automatic banning system normally roots out offenders and ensures they are dealt with fairly and within the right amount of time. There are circumstances where individuals cause a lot of trouble and we do issue a ban ignoring normal processes, however this is rare and will remain so - I do not wish to start deviating from the normal process too much, as this will have a negative rather than a positive impact, I feel.


If you go to the welcome forums and just go through some threads, you will see cases where staff are launching arguments. This has been a case for a long time and I don't think it's taken as seriously. Seriously, members need to feel welcome without older members or staff launching full blown arguments or flame wars.

You should really PM the AGM for staff in these instances, or report the posts, then these staff members can be dealt with :S.

[Mentor]

This topic is getting a bit long in the tooth and hard to follow.

Can anyone who's been involved with it post a summary of what's been discussed, concluded or suggested for those of us who haven't followed it all :p

Would be a big help as the threads a bit long to really identify any particular threads of discussion

[Jamesy]

This topic is getting a bit long in the tooth and hard to follow.

Can anyone who's been involved with it post a summary of what's been discussed, concluded or suggested for those of us who haven't followed it all :p

Would be a big help as the threads a bit long to really identify any particular threads of discussion

I went through earlier with the intention of splitting the topics into individual ones but decided it best to wait for Jin.

As far as I can tell the main issues are:

Raising Presence on Habbo itself
Telling Sulake to **** off
Get rid of the elitism/ cliqueness that makes new members alienated
New Forum Skins
Strong Management teams who are willing to put change into place.
Addition of vBulletin mods to add new incentives - eg badges

[hah]

Habboxforum is needing new members and needing to update because well, its ****, old and no one is posting. So they are launching the forum on vB4 in the new year with new good skins. People also think there needs to be a management reshuffle because the current management don't use Habbo that much unlike other fansites and no one knows who they are. They need a community AGM, but for some reason they are keeping Catszy even though she is dead.

There is loads more but thats the basics i think, i doubt any of it will work though.

Edit - Yeah an award system, like every other fansite. I don't remember the tell sulake to **** of part?

And Comp and Events are supposedly going to get better in the new and get more users. Even though i made a thread about them back in September and they said it would happen then and there, but it keeps getting put of

[Jamesy]

Habboxforum is needing new members and needing to update because well, its ****, old and no one is posting. So they are launching the forum on vB4 in the new year with new good skins. People also think there needs to be a management reshuffle because the current management don't use Habbo that much unlike other fansites and no one knows who they are. They need a community AGM, but for some reason they are keeping Catszy even though she is dead.

There is loads more but thats the basics i think, i doubt any of it will work though.

Edit - Yeah an award system, like every other fansite. I dont remeber the tell sulake to **** of part?

It was early on, Matt and Oli saying how Sulake are killing off the fansites

[hah]

But there is nothing you can really do about that is there? If they wanted they could make you remove all Habbo images... then there wouldn't even be a Habbox.

[Seatherny]

I went through earlier with the intention of splitting the topics into individual ones but decided it best to wait for Jin.

As far as I can tell the main issues are:

Telling Sulake to **** off


That is the stupidest thing I have heard in this discussion "/ They can get this forum to take down every Habbo image. You cant tell Sulake to **** off, they can tell you to **** off though.

[Jamesy]

Sometimes you lot are always out for a fight. It's getting annoying - how about you discuss the main issues or have they ran out? Because as I've said all that it seems to be now is one or two members making good suggestions while everyone else just tries to argue over the smallest of things.

[Seatherny]

Nope, you said it was a main issue and we were clearing it up that there is nothing Habbox can do about it.

[Jamesy]

Well seeing as theres no place for humour in this section:

Raising Presence on Habbo itself
Get rid of the elitism/ cliqueness that makes new members alienated
New Forum Skins
Strong Management teams who are willing to put change into place.
Addition of vBulletin mods to add new incentives - eg badges

2 and 3 are in the process of being dealt with.

[FlyingJesus]

To be fair it's not really about humour if you state something as a main point in a serious thread. That aside it's good to hear that things are starting to be looked into, what are you intending to do about people having friends though? That's somewhat a fundamental part of human nature and you can't really make policy about how close you can be with another forum member.

[alexxxxx]

why can't management just accept some critisism on what some members think is important. Saurav, phone and myself just think that moderation needs to be done by people who post often and get involved and then you've said why and we've said so plus given examples. we're entitled to our opinions and we think it would help the forum.

[/rant]

veering more back ot.

i think the main issue is making members feel more welcomed and find ways of bringing members together and not being intimidated by the cliques that are present on the forum (there's nothing wrong with cliques and it would kill hxf off if they were hampered, it's just that for newcomers it is a bit daunting when you don't know anything about what is being said).

kthxbi.

[Jamesy]

Oh yes we have no intention of destroying friends or groups. That would be silly and completely wrong.

We just want to stamp out people acting above newer members in a negative way. And yes I can understand what you are saying FJ, sorry I got a bit silly there.

Alex no one has said you aren't entitled to them. you are more than welcome to criticise us, the only issue Oli and I had was the targetting of a new moderator.

I actually agree moderators should post. I know I make a bit of a hash of it at times but I do try, as I am now. But being a moderator can also be an incentive to post. Before I took on General I never posted much.

[Inseriousity.]

And Comp and Events are supposedly going to get better in the new and get more users. Even though i made a thread about them back in September and they said it would happen then and there, but it keeps getting put of

I've just looked through all the threads you started and haven't been able to find anything that would suggest improvements towards Comps/Events. Unless you've put it in a different thread, can you please point this thread out because I can't seem to find it?

The competitions department already is improving imo. We've started pushing the boundaries a lot further than they were. Not one 'FAVOURITE CHRISTMAS PRESENT' or 'FAVOURITE CHRISTMAS MEMORY' in sight this Christmas because I wanted to move away from the same old repetitive stuff. Instead we have a long-running storyline featuring the Grinch stealing characters. Whether this is better or not is unknown until we recieve constructive feedback, not just 'comps/events are crap' cos it doesn't help anyone.

[hah]

I've just looked through all the threads you started and haven't been able to find anything that would suggest improvements towards Comps/Events. Unless you've put it in a different thread, can you please point this thread out because I can't seem to find it?

The competitions department already is improving imo. We've started pushing the boundaries a lot further than they were. Not one 'FAVOURITE CHRISTMAS PRESENT' or 'FAVOURITE CHRISTMAS MEMORY' in sight this Christmas because I wanted to move away from the same old repetitive stuff. Instead we have a long-running storyline featuring the Grinch stealing characters. Whether this is better or not is unknown until we recieve constructive feedback, not just 'comps/events are crap' cos it doesn't help anyone.


On my old account, i got banned. http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=600583 xxx

While were at it, something most memebers want.. ?
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=601067


Inseriousity, them comps are soooooooo boring. Why don't you Get an image, crop it into loads of little pieces and hide parts of of it on the site or in threads on the forum (get matt or garion to edit threads and put it there) and give clues to where the next piece is etc. God is it so hard to come up with things like that? Took me all of 2 seconds to come up with something i would take part in and im sure people who don't usually would or people who a reading threads come across a piece it and say "oh that looks good might take part"

[Jamesy]

On my old account, i got banned. http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=600583 xxx

While were at it, something most memebers want.. ?
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=601067

Your last one is built into vB4 by default.

[Inseriousity.]

On my old account, i got banned. http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=600583 xxx

Aah yes I remember that thread now. :)
Why do you always group the Comps/Events departments together? That thread is exclusively for events imo and it's quite disheartening when you say comps haven't improved because we don't run 'Big Brother' etc and that's because it's not in our job description (and no I don't think they should be merged either as I've already explained why). On that month, the comps department ran a forum quest. The month after, there was a Blog Competition, the month after there was the Arcade Tournament, so yes, while they are not Love Island and Big Brother, they are moving away from the repetitive competitions that are normally seen.

As for events, we are currently running 'The Cube', so they have listened to what you say. These things just take time to bring to fruition as they need to be thought through carefully.

Maybe you're complaining because you haven't seen them advertised. If there is one major problem with competitions that I would agree with, it's the poor advertising. This is our aim for the new year... and that's a promise!

edit: as for your idea, we could do that. We did a similar thing with the forum quest I mentioned but used questions rather than a picture.

[hah]

Your last one is built into vB4 by default.

I hope you enable it and allowed users to use it :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Mentor]

Well seeing as theres no place for humour in this section:

Raising Presence on Habbo itself
Get rid of the elitism/ cliqueness that makes new members alienated
New Forum Skins
Strong Management teams who are willing to put change into place.
Addition of vBulletin mods to add new incentives - eg badges

2 and 3 are in the process of being dealt with.


Thanks for the summary :p

> Get rid of the elitism/ cliqueness that makes new members alienated

Not really sure how you can really achieve this without hurting the forum? Friend groups form, and there aint much that can be done about that, breaking them up is definitely not a solution.
All that really needs to be done is to try and encourage a culture of openness within the cliquishness so they are welcoming to new members and more interested in helping them out. Possibly some sort of award for this - member that is most helpful the newcomers gets a MoTM thing - (as in not just for the welcome topic, but in general around the forum)

That may encourage people to be a little less defensive, and more interested in helping new users out rather than just being fed up as there unable to do something "/

Habbox's problem here is a lot of the people it attracts are younger and not to generalise to harshly on the internets, less confident kid. This means when they arrive they are less willing to throw themselves in to discussions out of fear of criticism's, especially in an environment where people are quick to pick-up on mistakes.
Older more confident members tend not to worry about this so much so just dive in and dont care about the odd gramma Nazi or disagreement with something they say. So get included in to the community more easily "/

Again though i think promoting members looking out for the noobs could help this as having someone stand up for them, is likely to boost the confidence in the community and make them more willing to get on and argue there side and say there peace "/

[Jamesy]

I hope you enable it and allowed users to use it :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

that's ultimately not up to me, on here I am just a Super Moderator :)

[FlyingJesus]

Again though i think promoting members looking out for the noobs could help this as having someone stand up for them, is likely to boost the confidence in the community and make them more willing to get on and argue there side and say there peace "/

I agree entirely - the only way forward in this respect can be through positivity for those who are helping rather than increasing punishment for those hindering. Whatever some members may act like we need to promote ourselves as an open community where even if people don't agree with your views you are able to express them and be accepted

[Seatherny]

that's ultimately not up to me, on here I am just a Super Moderator :)

I think the person means "habbox management" when they said "you".
Common sense? :)

[radicalozzy11]

hi jin i need helpp :) can you tell me how you post ur own thread!!! ty

[hah]

hi jin i need helpp :) can you tell me how you post ur own thread!!! ty

How did you get around the avatar size limit :P

Also There is a create new thread button at the top of every forum

[The Professor]

Eww this thread has been going a full 3 weeks and by the sounds of it we're no closer at all to getting anywhere. Personally I feel Garion and Jamesy are the only people in any sort of position to help that are actually working with us, where's jin and nvr (who has the time to post a tangental post in the first few pages but aparently nothing more than that) saying "yes I like that we'll consider implementing xyz". I mean, how many more "suggestions and feedback" do you want? I really don't wanna become one of those management bashers but throw us a bone here!

[Nixt]

Eww this thread has been going a full 3 weeks and by the sounds of it we're no closer at all to getting anywhere. Personally I feel Garion and Jamesy are the only people in any sort of position to help that are actually working with us, where's jin and nvr (who has the time to post a tangental post in the first few pages but aparently nothing more than that) saying "yes I like that we'll consider implementing xyz". I mean, how many more "suggestions and feedback" do you want? I really don't wanna become one of those management bashers but throw us a bone here!

Jin was contacted in regard to this thread. He was asked nicely to reply as soon as he can. I am sure he will soon :D.

[The Professor]

If he does I MIGHT have to stop whinging... no guarantees though :D

[Mentor]

As i mentioned earlier, about trying to help new members settle in. I created a thread in the welcome forums to try and do just this:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=6193788

Any thoughts/ ideas for improvement + would a mod/admin be able to pin if they think its helpful. Thanks :)

[Jamesy]

As i mentioned earlier, about trying to help new members settle in. I created a thread in the welcome forums to try and do just this:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=6193788

Any thoughts/ ideas for improvement + would a mod/admin be able to pin if they think its helpful. Thanks :)

That's brilliant, Matt is busy with the Panto right now but I'll be sure to forward this to him or Garion if I see him online ASAP.

[Mentor]

That's brilliant, Matt is busy with the Panto right now but I'll be sure to forward this to him or Garion if I see him online ASAP.

Out of interest, do you know if there's any way of giving someone unlimited edit time to a particular forum? As being able to go back in and edit my thread myself would be really useful in terms of being able to keep everything up-to-date and add to it? I'm not sure if it's doable on a one off basis or not "/

[FlyingJesus]

It would be possible if you had mod perms in that section, not sure if it works for one thread

[Nixt]

It would be possible if you had mod perms in that section, not sure if it works for one thread

Impossible to do as per one thread, but PM a Super Moderator, myself or Matt and we will happily update it :)

[Mentor]

On the topic of new member retention a have a few gems from one of the ghost of habbox past.


We know ourselves, that when we meet new people in life, you have to strike up conversation to make people sometimes feel comfortable in a new environment.

It's a bit like walking into a strange room, you say hi and the odd person replies, but no one actually talks to you. So you sit quietly, and probably leave. New members sometimes need to find their confidence, so by making convo in a thread it helps

I think the example really brings home the point and does explain why many of the new members no longer really feel welcome. It also conflicts with what quite a few have been claiming each time the fact that quite alot of the "hello" thread replys are just spam. Previously this has been ignored and allowed as, as has been said in every thread asking for the removal of postcount increase in the forum, it makes new members feel welcome.

The truth is the, hi/hello/gday welcome messages that come from this dont really cut it, in terms of getting new members involved. Maybe enforcing a few light aint spam rules in the forum would help, even if it just made the posters replying to the hello threads put a little more thought in to there replys

I also, agree with their idea of the staff possibly takeing a more active role in this, even if they are busy with other things. After all getting new members in to the forum is essential for its long term survival.

In order for new members to stick around, they firstly need to feel welcome, and by that I don't mean a post in the welcome forum, that just reads welcome to Habbox. What's stopping staff from posting there? Hi welcome to Habbox (name) I'm so and so and I moderate the games forum or any other forum, if you ever need advice in that forum just drop me a pm etc etc. I'm sure most new members would prefer a post with some meaning, obviously it's great that members welcome newcomers, but quite honestly I feel staff should try a little harder, don't take offence guys, but you with the red name lol. Being new to the forum can be quite intimidating, particularly for those not familiar with the workings, so who better to welcome a new member, and why not ask how they discovered the forum? Make conversation it's not difficult!



http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=617781
Look at the intro, fabulous reply from -:Underworld:- a member of staff.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=616892
It took over 4 hours for someone to reply to new member.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=617824
Very welcoming thread.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=618301
New member is criticized.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=618282
Two members of staff who post in most if not all welcome threads reply.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=618015
New member asks for tip, not one is given lol.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=617671
Not one single reply? Any reason why?

[Immenseman]

That's brilliant, Matt is busy with the Panto right now but I'll be sure to forward this to him or Garion if I see him online ASAP.
That's what annoys me. Not maybe this specific example but management in general doing extra things and using it as an excuse not to perform their duties. Another thing I've noticed is that some people think their job is far too safe - they don't do their job properly because there is no chance of them being fired. One thing needs to be made clear, no matter how good somebody is at their role, they can be replaced by somebody who will do their role just as well.

Also, I see staff misbehaving and breaking rules, nvr or smiddy would have got rid, that won't happen any longer. I used to report them but nothing gets done, might as well talk a brick wall, staff aren't disciplined like members are. Unless this gulf is closed then of course members aren't going to want to stay around.

These aren't fundamental reasons of the decline but just a couple that I'd thought I'd throw into the melting pot in the hope things might get done. If General Management aren't acting why are they still here? Get rid of Nvr, get a permanent GM in - until that happens no change is going to happen. I don't really care who it is, a GM is better than no GM. Don't feed me that rubbish that Jin is currently GM because he certainly doesn't give that impression. Get a GM, community GM and then things will get better as changes will start happening, changes that are long over due.

[Mentor]

That's what annoys me. Not maybe this specific example but management in general doing extra things and using it as an excuse not to perform their duties. Another thing I've noticed is that some people think their job is far too safe - they don't do their job properly because there is no chance of them being fired. One thing needs to be made clear, no matter how good somebody is at their role, they can be replaced by somebody who will do their role just as well.

Also, I see staff misbehaving and breaking rules, nvr or smiddy would have got rid, that won't happen any longer. I used to report them but nothing gets done, might as well talk a brick wall, staff aren't disciplined like members are. Unless this gulf is closed then of course members aren't going to want to stay around.

These aren't fundamental reasons of the decline but just a couple that I'd thought I'd throw into the melting pot in the hope things might get done. If General Management aren't acting why are they still here? Get rid of Nvr, get a permanent GM in - until that happens no change is going to happen. I don't really care who it is, a GM is better than no GM. Don't feed me that rubbish that Jin is currently GM because he certainly doesn't give that impression. Get a GM, community GM and then things will get better as changes will start happening, changes that are long over due.
My advice on this is Hire gommeinc. He's good with this kinda stuff :P

Where is nvr these days anyways? he used to be pretty active?

[hah]

yeah i said get replace catszy in one of my posts today, its clear she has died or something

[xxMATTGxx]

That's what annoys me. Not maybe this specific example but management in general doing extra things and using it as an excuse not to perform their duties. Another thing I've noticed is that some people think their job is far too safe - they don't do their job properly because there is no chance of them being fired. One thing needs to be made clear, no matter how good somebody is at their role, they can be replaced by somebody who will do their role just as well.

Also, I see staff misbehaving and breaking rules, nvr or smiddy would have got rid, that won't happen any longer. I used to report them but nothing gets done, might as well talk a brick wall, staff aren't disciplined like members are. Unless this gulf is closed then of course members aren't going to want to stay around.

These aren't fundamental reasons of the decline but just a couple that I'd thought I'd throw into the melting pot in the hope things might get done. If General Management aren't acting why are they still here? Get rid of Nvr, get a permanent GM in - until that happens no change is going to happen. I don't really care who it is, a GM is better than no GM. Don't feed me that rubbish that Jin is currently GM because he certainly doesn't give that impression. Get a GM, community GM and then things will get better as changes will start happening, changes that are long over due.

I can see where you are coming from. But for my small reason this evening: I got offered to take part in the panto and I took it, so I could get involved with others things around Habbox and also to take part in the Habbo-based event. But since that is now over and done with, I'm here.

[Nixt]

Also, I see staff misbehaving and breaking rules, nvr or smiddy would have got rid, that won't happen any longer. I used to report them but nothing gets done, might as well talk a brick wall, staff aren't disciplined like members are. Unless this gulf is closed then of course members aren't going to want to stay around.


Matt took out an hour to help with an event that will increase Habbox and Habbox Forum's popularity. Don't see what is bad about that? He spends a lot of time on the Forum and if he goes and does something else for one hour I don't think it's something worthy of criticism.

As for staff rule breaking - care to give examples? I know for a fact that where staff break rules it is always forwarded to Sammeth who will always take necessary action. There might be a little backlog at the moment though; Sam is away and I am awaiting a reply from Jin in regard to who will be carrying out his role in the mean time.

The staffing issue is something that has been iterated repeatedly. It really is about time it gets sorted.

[Hecktix]

How can you criticise Matt for not doing his job when he was representing Habbox?

[Immenseman]

I didn't explain it well. My point was if he actually did his own roles properly and changed the forum to make it more user friendly and be harsher on some rules and more lenient on others or whatever than rather prance about doing a panto which will not bring more than 3 people to the forum who will use it for 48 hours until they get bullied off. What's the point of representing Habbox when there really isn't much to represent until things get sorted.

p.s. heya, this is called an opinion

p.s.s. omg ratm xmas #1

[Jin]

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