Forum going down hill?

[Plank]

Just came back after a while and this place seems so lifeless compared to what it used to be. Like just in general the threads on the first pages of forums go back to days/weeks.

Unless I'm just imagining things

For example the UK News and Rumours forum... pretty much dead. Threads have only a few posts in them and go back over 1 week on the first page.

Spam forum... threads go back to wednesday when I remember it being overflowing with threads/posts

Feedback forum seems to have the same old threads in it and they go back to and they go back 2 weeks!! , there have been hardly any updates/changes except the odd rule since I left, staff hardly post any more......

[Jin]

I have noticed this also, currently we are also having a problem with "Forum is going DOWN"

That's what I am currently working on at the moment. It would be nice if my GM would come back from leave.....

[-:Undertaker:-]

I agree, and Habbox needs to go back to hotel-related stuff if its to survive because once the numbers are lost then it'll be very hard to get them back. On the values side; the Rare Values Desk is struggling, shop/casino owners no longer put Habbox.com in their descriptions - not looking good.

[GommeInc]

Maybe one generation of forum users is slowly dying out? Could be something simple like that. Habbox went through quite a boom of users when Habbo was very popular when they actually took notice of their fansites - Habbox got noticed, then a mixture of Habbo users joined with similar ideas, hobbies, interests and personality, as well as a heap of conflicting ideas causing interesting arguments and debates. It could be something simple like that, the original Habbo generation is slowly leaving (because Habbo is of no interest to them, and the forum slowly loses its appeal; possible due to most things seemingly governed by it).

It's mentioned in my book available in all good stores, "Gomme's Big Book Of Habbox". Catchy ;)


I agree, and Habbox needs to go back to hotel-related stuff if its to survive because once the numbers are lost then it'll be very hard to get them back. On the values side; the Rare Values Desk is struggling, shop/casino owners no longer put Habbox.com in their descriptions - not looking good.
What do they put? Maybe Habbox has had too much time in the rare value limelight? There were alot of issues of "made up" values quite a while ago, it wouldn't be surprising if people just ended up going off Habbox and going else where.

[Black_Apalachi]

The two examples given in the OP: Habbo UK News & Rumours and Spam.

News & Rumours kind of depends on what's going on in Habbo, the forum can hardly be blamed for that. As Gomme said, the whole generation that made up the soul of Habbox for a long time has slowly mixed with a newer generation. Many of the old names have long gone and there's only a fair few of us left. I don't even think Habbox is a big deal amongst the general users of Habbo these days. Purely because they are much younger than we were as Habbo is marketed at a younger audience than it used to be.

Spam, as well as the rest of the forum, may be suffering because of exam season. I know my brother has mocks and I've got a couple of exams coming up at uni. While the whole forum may suffer from this, Spam is the one place people post in through boredom when they have too much spare time, so if they've got exams, they are probably less likely to do so.

The current situation of management is another thing to consider. At the moment, Jin is filling the role of Owner, General Manager and Technical Manager amongst other things. Two Community Managers have also disappeared as of late so temporary replacements have had to be found for them. Then there's various managerial shake-ups that have happened recently within a few departments.

Oh and of course the internet god that is Immenseman is banned. Couldn't finish this post without a nice big suck-up to him could I.

[Titch]

Its cus jakes banned, its just no the same without him.

[hah]

Its cus jakes banned, its just no the same without him.

he should stay banned, dont think ive seen an argument in a month... all his private joke with other users have stopped also

and yeah i agree, new skins, new more SIMPLER and less clutteredHabbox design and relaunch the forum in the new year or something lol

[iDenning]

We have more guests than members, put a limit of how many threads a guest can view before having to register. Then they will want to post.

[hah]

ye the forums gets loads comming on just no one posts

[skooledmepls]

Rare Values has been wrong for a long time, items should be pressed on rarity, because at the moment, values are being changed from mostly people trying to sell things for more to bump up the Habbox price. Some of the Habbox RVR's make up prices, for them to either get profit in their items or just to produce their 6 reports a week... You should base it more on the rarity, like thrones shouldn't be anywhere near as high as 80.0 IMO... And things like Russian samovar's are VERY rarely seen in Habbo IMO, they're price should be much higher...

And with HxL, they're used to be over 130 listeners regularly, now there's rarely even 100...

[dirrty]

yeah its getting less active every month imo

[Callum.]

i agree with the generation thing.

jordan, clarissa, joe etc in spam - now it's nothing
loads in runescape - now nothing

too many.

[Jordy]

It is getting rather bad to be honest. For the past two years I've made an average of five posts a day, for the past few weeks it's just been a post or two a day. There simply isn't enough interesting threads to post in.

No one seems to be asking for help in the Technology Discussion. The Current Affairs forum is a disaster, every single thread is just a rant about the government, and then a certain group of users will turn it into an argument about the EU or something similar and trivial. It's now very boring and it's full of threads which aren't interesting. Never anything interesting in Discuss Anything anymore, and even the Feedback forum isn't interesting anymore :P

[Nixt]

It is undoubtedly an issue at the moment, it is something I highlighted before my return and I am very much interested in doing everything possible to improve the issues Habbox as a whole is having, in particular the Forum.

It is my feeling that, as Gomme has said, Habbox is losing it's previously dedicated members. It is therefore important to attract new members, so as to replace the members we are losing. In attracting more members we must retain them. Retention is difficult, however, and for this reason I feel our focus should be on gaining new members - the more we gain, the more we retain (in theory).

In order to achieve this it is important to increase our presence on Habbo itself. Restoring Habbox's previous Habbo glory is the key to increasing Forum activity. In the coming month's every department is planning big things for Christmas and the fansite week. Hopefully this will work toward creating hype for Habbox and then in the New Year we can really continue to push - hopefully with a General Management team who are fully active (note that I am not criticising here, it is unavoidable!) so such things can be coordinated and pushed through.

We are aware of the problems and we are seeking to improve them.

[Smits]

The forums been going up and down for ages now. I'm still here, atlhough i've had my breaks. I put most of it down to the fact i was alot younger when i first came on, perhaps the forum was more appealing then!

[The Professor]

Rare Values has been wrong for a long time, items should be pressed on rarity, because at the moment, values are being changed from mostly people trying to sell things for more to bump up the Habbox price. Some of the Habbox RVR's make up prices, for them to either get profit in their items or just to produce their 6 reports a week... You should base it more on the rarity, like thrones shouldn't be anywhere near as high as 80.0 IMO... And things like Russian samovar's are VERY rarely seen in Habbo IMO, they're price should be much higher...

And with HxL, they're used to be over 130 listeners regularly, now there's rarely even 100...

Are you a relatively new regular habbox user? If so, welcome, take some time to get used to things and rant about them then :) If not, that post was very uninformed and foundationless. Rare values have worked like that since habbox started doing them, the value of things is set by the trades the RVRs see. If you think a throne is worth less, go and try and buy one for less! If no-one will do it because they don't think the throne is worth that, the value is clearly correct :) And HxL had around 300 listeners last time I listened about a year ago, to quote 130 as the peak means something has gone horrifically wrong with them if it's dropped that far!

Ontopic:
Aaaaaanyway -breathe- em yeah I've noticed this too, maybe its just the natural evolution of things, look at myspace. It failed to keep up with the times and something newer and better came along and took its place (facebook). Maybe habbox has done the same; the forum skins have been the same for years, there are still archaic rules like not having a picture of you in an avatar on the grounds of safety when people putting pictures of themselves on facebook left right and centre, we never implemented features such as groups and medals and the arcade (granted it's there but criminally underused and hard to access) and as a result the forum is simply behind the times. Us older users don't mind because we were there before and don't like change (like the people who still use myspace) but the forum just isn't an attractive prospect for newer users.

That on top of all the points about less presence on habbo and stuff that have been brought up earlier!

[Alkaz]

I think alot of the older members scare new members off with some of the goings on on the forum. Considering they could be as young as 11.

[Black_Apalachi]

Yeah I think it is a case of becoming a bigger presence on Habbo again. I think the appeal of fansites has declined a lot compared to what it used to be. Doesn't help that Sulake doesn't seem to give a crap now that Habbo is well-known all over the world. Fansites like Habbox were around before anybody had heard of Habbo but look at their "Offical Fansites" page, it's a joke :rolleyes:.

[GommeInc]

Yeah I think it is a case of becoming a bigger presence on Habbo again. I think the appeal of fansites has declined a lot compared to what it used to be. Doesn't help that Sulake doesn't seem to give a crap now that Habbo is well-known all over the world. Fansites like Habbox were around before anybody had heard of Habbo but look at their "Offical Fansites" page, it's a joke :rolleyes:.
Not forgetting they treat them like crap too. The whole VIP fiasco is a shambles, no company should ever treat their fans like crap, especially when fansites need some sort of income to give free advertising to their somewhat lame product :P

[hah]

Are you a relatively new regular habbox user? If so, welcome, take some time to get used to things and rant about them then :) If not, that post was very uninformed and foundationless. Rare values have worked like that since habbox started doing them, the value of things is set by the trades the RVRs see. If you think a throne is worth less, go and try and buy one for less! If no-one will do it because they don't think the throne is worth that, the value is clearly correct :) And HxL had around 300 listeners last time I listened about a year ago, to quote 130 as the peak means something has gone horrifically wrong with them if it's dropped that far!

Ontopic:
Aaaaaanyway -breathe- em yeah I've noticed this too, maybe its just the natural evolution of things, look at myspace. It failed to keep up with the times and something newer and better came along and took its place (facebook). Maybe habbox has done the same; the forum skins have been the same for years, there are still archaic rules like not having a picture of you in an avatar on the grounds of safety when people putting pictures of themselves on facebook left right and centre, we never implemented features such as groups and medals and the arcade (granted it's there but criminally underused and hard to access) and as a result the forum is simply behind the times. Us older users don't mind because we were there before and don't like change (like the people who still use myspace) but the forum just isn't an attractive prospect for newer users.

That on top of all the points about less presence on habbo and stuff that have been brought up earlier!


I agree with them, and whenever anyone seems to suggest anything, older member seen to shot them doing saying the like old-school Habbox and that everything should stay the same when there are hardly any of them left, and most of the time, they get listened to.

[-:Undertaker:-]

What do they put? Maybe Habbox has had too much time in the rare value limelight? There were alot of issues of "made up" values quite a while ago, it wouldn't be surprising if people just ended up going off Habbox and going else where.

The problem has been that its taken it for granted over the past few years and values have been left to a degree at certain points in bad condition, not all the fault of the managers as the panel has broken at various points. Items that came out were never added to the values, and values seldom updated.. we are working on it all now but I just hope its not too late.


Rare Values has been wrong for a long time, items should be pressed on rarity, because at the moment, values are being changed from mostly people trying to sell things for more to bump up the Habbox price. Some of the Habbox RVR's make up prices, for them to either get profit in their items or just to produce their 6 reports a week... You should base it more on the rarity, like thrones shouldn't be anywhere near as high as 80.0 IMO... And things like Russian samovar's are VERY rarely seen in Habbo IMO, they're price should be much higher...

And with HxL, they're used to be over 130 listeners regularly, now there's rarely even 100...

- That is how the market works and will work regardless of what Habbox says or does, or whether Habbox is even here anymore. On the reporters, any value which is fake/suspicious will not be updated period.


It is getting rather bad to be honest. For the past two years I've made an average of five posts a day, for the past few weeks it's just been a post or two a day. There simply isn't enough interesting threads to post in.

No one seems to be asking for help in the Technology Discussion. The Current Affairs forum is a disaster, every single thread is just a rant about the government, and then a certain group of users will turn it into an argument about the EU or something similar and trivial. It's now very boring and it's full of threads which aren't interesting. Never anything interesting in Discuss Anything anymore, and even the Feedback forum isn't interesting anymore :P

..then post some threads of you're own, anyone can post a thread but nobody does anymore, that is why the forum is becoming a one/two way issue forum on the European Union/being critical of politics. I post EU topics because I find them interesting, I don't find NHS reform very interesting or climate change summits very interesting, but if you do, then please do post - and the same goes for anyone else.

[Nixt]

I was talking with someone tonight and we discussed what we thought was Habbox's key problems - conservatism and bureaucracy. We thought that in order to improve, Habbox has to change quite considerably insofar as it needs to reform the way it looks at things. It is my personal opinion (and please note that this does not necessarily reflect the view of management in general and indeed it does not suggest that anything like this will happen) that Habbox needs to start reforming it's structure. The Forum needs a relaunch, we need to look at appointing people in positions of power (for example FlyingJesus, I know, would happily try his hand at AFM and GommeInc would also be extremely good in a senior position) regardless of the controversy regarding their appointment etc. Additionally we need to look at new skins (something I've tried to set up and I understand is in motion at the moment), improved Habbo <-> Forum presence amongst many other things. Habbox needs to change, to reform and improve. This is undoubtedly the case.

I also think we need a good, strong General Management team - something that I am pretty sure we are working towards. Sammeth has always done a brilliant job, infrequent is doing very well and Jin is working extremely hard but I think he would like his GM back (*glare at nvr*). But we do need a strong GM to manage us in these difficult times, with the support of a strong team of AGMs; two of the positions are filled but we need to see a permanent appointment of someone who would fulfil the role successfully in terms of Community AGM.

HxF in particular is struggling and I would be the last person to deny that, but it is really down to management how they want to play this. Whatever happens, I intend to be here until the very end working as hard as I possibly can to keep Habbox going. However it does need some serious change if the 'very end' doesn't come in the worryingly near future...

NB my ideas might be a bit controversial and 'ting and they DO NOT represent anything that might happen. To be fair I don't know the dealio XOXO

[Sammeth.]

What Garion said and also...


We have more guests than members, put a limit of how many threads a guest can view before having to register. Then they will want to post.

I think this would be a very good idea, and should also be implemented. I don't know why we haven't already.

[nvrspk4]

Why is everyone glaring at me all of a sudden :(

[Black_Apalachi]

Garion wants you.

[syko2006]

Just came back after a while and this place seems so lifeless compared to what it used to be. Like just in general the threads on the first pages of forums go back to days/weeks.

Unless I'm just imagining things

For example the UK News and Rumours forum... pretty much dead. Threads have only a few posts in them and go back over 1 week on the first page.

Spam forum... threads go back to wednesday when I remember it being overflowing with threads/posts

Feedback forum seems to have the same old threads in it and they go back to and they go back 2 weeks!! , there have been hardly any updates/changes except the odd rule since I left, staff hardly post any more......


Just out of curiosity - what would you like US or ANYONE to do about it? What more can we possibly do? This isn't a rant, but I really don't see how alerting the forum managers/staff about how the inactivity of the forum is pushing the forum down hill, is going to resolve the problem of the lack of posts/threads. :)

[Inseriousity.]

I agree with Prof-Alex. The forum is highly inaccessible for new members. There's the 5-post approval stage (yes there's the reasons for this and 5 posts isn't so bad but it's bound to turn some people away), the lack of an arcade, lack of support from the cliques that can be found on Habbox. Also the only time that Habbox appears to be on Habbo is the events department and this is simply not enough as most members who go to these events are already a part of Habbox. Add this to the fact that the old members are moving away from Habbox for various reasons (they're too old etc) and there'll be hardly anyone left. I have been in many smaller fansites that have had to close because of this continuing pattern and Habbox is a lot bigger and so have the advantage of being able to stop it a lot more effectively than the smaller fansites.

I also agree with Garion about the need of a community AGM presence. They could potentially push forward these ideas a lot faster and more effectively than it is atm and Catzsy is ill so at the very least, a temporary manager may be required to fill the gap.

[Butterfly]

Why is everyone glaring at me all of a sudden :(
Do something, stop sitting on you're ass!

[Robbie]

My view is that the forum itself is not going downhill, instead, the members are becoming too old or too busy to post as regularly as they used to do. We're not filling these gaps because there's nothing bringing people here. People either have other forums they use and don't want to use this one, or just don't want to sign up (again - why should they?)

The first skin they see when they come on HxF for the first time is the classic skin. Now as much as I love it, it needs to be replaced by a newer, better skin as default. I'm not saying remove it completely, just get some nicer skins for first time users.

I remember first coming on Habbox, I found it in a room title. I suppose back in 2004 there wasn't that many fansites and so Habbox was the conglomerate of the fansite world. Then when more and more fansites began to emerge, Habbox was and still is losing it's popularity, and theres only one solution to this- advertising. Now advertising on Habbo is not easy without a Community AGM. I really can't believe that nobody has been brought in temporarily or even replaced Rosie, as much as I like her I really can't defend her. I think that she really was ill, and because of that she has a lot of work to catch up on and therefore doesn't have the time for Habbox at the moment. We all know that if she was replaced by someone else, if she ever did come back she'd have a job here straight away, shes like a Habbox 'legend'.

I don't think the forum needs a re-launch. We just need a new AGM, some nicer skins and we need to get back the exposure we once had. Oh, and we all need to work together to accept new members and try and get rid of this clique-y atmosphere. WE SHALL WORK TOGETHER IN SOLIDARITY!

[Special]

It seems all the older members are staying, and the newer members leave

perhaps something could be done to make them stay

[Butterfly]

I like the idea of pushing another skin for the first choice, rather then using the same old. Remembering the fact the classic forum skin, is the classic (in which it is a retro theme).

[myke]

i don't use the forum as much anymore because i see a lot going on that i don't necessarily agree with but nothing can be done, it seems now that once something is decided, it happens and that's it. it doesn't really seem to be about the members anymore.

[Hecktix]

Having read through this thread, I have to agree with a lot of the points being made.

However although I see some of it possibly down to Hx staff not doing the right things, more of it down to social decomposition of members (this meaning the older members 'dying out' in a sense, leaving the forum and they aren't being replaced) however I think one of the biggest parties that we can blame are Habbo.

"Back in the day" all we had was the Habbo Hotel Client with a VERY crap Habbo homepage which was mainly focused around competitions. Fansites like Habbox were very much needed for in depth News, Rare Values and even just a place to discuss things about Habbo (like this forum).

Now, Habbo shoves so much News down your throat when you're online you don't want to check a fansite to read it again, they've introduced their own forums on the website, hell I'm surprised they haven't released a rare values guide.

Most of the people on this forum are from a generation that needed the Habbo fansite because the hotel client was all we had.

My main opinion, is that Habbo has killed the fansite generation and by Sulake moves such as banning us from selling VIP make me think that it's actually intentional.

We may be able to preserve Habbox, however we need to take on Sulake and get them to calm down with what THEY provide people, because they are doing us out of business. And that's not gonna happen easily, if at all.

[Nixt]

i don't use the forum as much anymore because i see a lot going on that i don't necessarily agree with but nothing can be done, it seems now that once something is decided, it happens and that's it. it doesn't really seem to be about the members anymore.

I'm confused by what you mean here, care to give examples? The majority of changes we make are changes that have been suggested by Forum members somewhere along the line. Yes, we may change their suggestion slightly... or considerably, but ultimately members of Habbox Forum have a big say in the changes we implement than other before. So yes, I don't really know what you mean here?

[xxMATTGxx]

Having read through this thread, I have to agree with a lot of the points being made.

However although I see some of it possibly down to Hx staff not doing the right things, more of it down to social decomposition of members (this meaning the older members 'dying out' in a sense, leaving the forum and they aren't being replaced) however I think one of the biggest parties that we can blame are Habbo.

"Back in the day" all we had was the Habbo Hotel Client with a VERY crap Habbo homepage which was mainly focused around competitions. Fansites like Habbox were very much needed for in depth News, Rare Values and even just a place to discuss things about Habbo (like this forum).

Now, Habbo shoves so much News down your throat when you're online you don't want to check a fansite to read it again, they've introduced their own forums on the website, hell I'm surprised they haven't released a rare values guide.

Most of the people on this forum are from a generation that needed the Habbo fansite because the hotel client was all we had.

My main opinion, is that Habbo has killed the fansite generation and by Sulake moves such as banning us from selling VIP make me think that it's actually intentional.

We may be able to preserve Habbox, however we need to take on Sulake and get them to calm down with what THEY provide people, because they are doing us out of business. And that's not gonna happen easily, if at all.

Agreed to be honest. When you log into habbo you get tons of news in front of you, it's silly. Then they don't even give fansites any benefits and them stopping us having any major funding what so ever. (Another stupid idea) But Sulake is a business and all they seem to care about these days is money. I'm sure we will all come together and pull out of this and make sure HabboxForum comes back alive once again. :)

[hah]

God know how many times competitions said they are going to change yet no one has seen this, there comps are still 1000 word essays that only get people who hardly post entering them because they have nothing else to do.

I remember making a thread on events saying they need to do bigger things more often like big brother, the apprentice, funfairs etc. Not once every blue moon. . Im sick of seeing the same events whenever i go on Habbo, and id hardly call putting loads of games like falling furni, beat the bunny, dyp, and other predictable events on together where you can win points a good idea... Its ****.. like that summer thing you do

I don't think Mattgarner is doing a good job, im sure some of the mods think something similar to this, he should just resign instead of sitting there doing nothing but editing rules every second Sunday.

[Hecktix]

God know how many times competitions said they are going to change yet no one has seen this, there comps are still 1000 word essays that only get people who hardly post entering them because they have nothing else to do.

I remember making a thread on events saying they need to do bigger things more often like big brother, the apprentice, funfairs etc. Not once every blue moon. . Im sick of seeing the same events whenever i go on Habbo, and id hardly call putting loads of games like falling furni, beat the bunny, dyp, and other predictable events on together where you can win points a good idea... Its ****.. like that summer thing you do

I don't think Mattgarner is doing a good job, im sure some of the mods think something similar to this, he should just resign instead of sitting there doing nothing but editing rules every second Sunday.

You make good points until we get to the last one, you can't just say "Forum Management arent doing a good job" without justifying it or linking it into the problems we're having at the moment...

[hah]

You make good points until we get to the last one, you can't just say "Forum Management arent doing a good job" without justifying it or linking it into the problems we're having at the moment...

Not the Management as a whole, just Matt

From what I have heard MattGarner does very little to benefit the Forum. I mean, from what I can tell you don't see him around much, you don't see him posting actively, *REMOVED* You don't see him getting involved with the members whom he is supposed to essentially be working for, unless of course they go to his college.
Of course I am not aware of what goes on "behind the scenes" and one can be sure someone will post and tell me he does a lot behind the scenes.
However I do speak to a number of Moderators and Management and I also hear things. I am not going to pretend that gossip can result in misconstrued reality but the simple fact of the matter is gossip and rumours would not start if there wasn't an issue in the first place.

Edited by invincible (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't be rude to forum staff

[GommeInc]

Habbo should get rid of the news and have the informal "HabboHood Happenings" make a swift return - that newsletter made Habbo news bearable to read, and was so informal and funny :P Do they still do Funky Friday? That was an awesome competition :)

The forums are pointless, heck the userpages are verging on pointless (all you really ever care about is the Habbo avatar and badges, which appear in the client, unless they've changed that now? :P)

[FlyingJesus]

Rare Values has been wrong for a long time, items should be pressed on rarity, because at the moment, values are being changed from mostly people trying to sell things for more to bump up the Habbox price. Some of the Habbox RVR's make up prices, for them to either get profit in their items or just to produce their 6 reports a week... You should base it more on the rarity, like thrones shouldn't be anywhere near as high as 80.0 IMO... And things like Russian samovar's are VERY rarely seen in Habbo IMO, they're price should be much higher...

Rare values, as has always been stated, are based on what the reporters see them selling for. Habbox doesn't set prices, it just calculates averages and trends for what items are already going for on the hotel.


It is my feeling that, as Gomme has said, Habbox is losing it's previously dedicated members. It is therefore important to attract new members, so as to replace the members we are losing. In attracting more members we must retain them. Retention is difficult, however, and for this reason I feel our focus should be on gaining new members - the more we gain, the more we retain (in theory).

Going to have to outright disagree with you there I'm afraid. A little while back there were a couple of threads about what to do concerning the dwindling activity on forum, and having looked through what figures I could (obviously I can't see all banned members and deleted posts when I do my searches) I found that we aren't really getting much less in terms of new membership, but posting has decreased massively nonetheless. Conclusion was that getting more people to join wasn't the problem at all, but rather making those who are here stay. Something horrific like 67% of members signed up in the first half of October (when I did these checks) hadn't even posted once, while only 6% had made 10 or more posts. These figures are likely to be different now because it's a new month and things like this obviously don't stay static, but it's obviously not looking good.


In order to achieve this it is important to increase our presence on Habbo itself. Restoring Habbox's previous Habbo glory is the key to increasing Forum activity. In the coming month's every department is planning big things for Christmas and the fansite week.

This should help hopefully, I agree that presence on Habbo needs to be stepped up. Most of us older lot don't go on any more and as far as I can tell a large number of upper management are no longer regulars. A bigger show from the bigger names (and behaving properly, here's looking at you HxHD if you haven't improved since the times I complained :P) would be useful in terms of making sure we're still the foremost in fansites and community. Maybe a Christmas panto where Sam does front of house in the foyer would be a good idea or something along those lines


Why is everyone glaring at me all of a sudden :(

Because you're bl

oody gorgeous mate


I agree with Prof-Alex. The forum is highly inaccessible for new members. There's the 5-post approval stage (yes there's the reasons for this and 5 posts isn't so bad but it's bound to turn some people away), the lack of an arcade

Post approval as far as I'm aware is there just to stop spam bots, but surely for this only 1 post needs to be approved? Just a thought and I may be wrong on that. Arcade isn't a massive issue for me but if it really would bring more people in then perhaps it ought to be opened up to a few more people than just donators/VIP and whatever userranks can use it at the moment. Maybe allowing comps to make, well, comps for it would be a good step, especially as I believe there's been a drive recently for forum-based competitions of late.


lack of support from the cliques that can be found on Habbox.

This is something I've spoken about time and time again without much happening. Social cliques are a part of humanity as we all like having friends and feeling like we're a part of something, and our own downfall here may be that the forum is now (and has been for some time) too big for just membership to feel like inclusion. I'm going to just copy&paste what I put in another thread because I don't think it really needs rewording and it's easier for me to do it this way. To wit:

In the forum's history there have been plenty of secular activity from the old spam crew and the Runescape fanatics who used to invade each other's area every now and then to KKK and whatever various rivals have sprung up and all the other more general divides (new spam, tech kids, Habbo players, graphics... just basically divides based on where you spend most of your time here). What I'd suggest is something that's come up before but not been implemented - more groups that people can actually join.
Currently we only have pixel artists and IT crowd as public member groups, which doesn't really do a lot for bringing people together as far as I know because they're rather too general. I'm not at all suggesting the system CH have where anyone can make any stupid group like "we like food", but allowing people to apply for having a group of like-minded friends could be to the benefit of the community. Of course, it sounds like it would just further ostracise new members who aren't part of a group, but the reality is that people like being accepted and like being part of something, so even a "new members" group could be made so they at least can get to know the users that are going to grow to be their peers, and when they're no longer so new they'll have whatever friends they've made there to make a new group (or stick around to welcome the even newer people if they so wish).

The truth of humanity is that no matter how much you try to be individual and promote individuality, we always look for a way to connect with others and it feels good when you do. HxSS is a popular and very successful example of this - the teams are still up on group memberships page btw - so a community driven group system could if left unabused and properly managed help strengthen the forum's sense of belonging.

This is of course in direct opposition to what some others say about getting rid of elitist and closed-in group mentality, as I firmly believe that trying to fight such a fundamental part of human nature would always be fruitless


God know how many times competitions said they are going to change yet no one has seen this, there comps are still 1000 word essays that only get people who hardly post entering them because they have nothing else to do.

I remember making a thread on events saying they need to do bigger things more often like big brother, the apprentice, funfairs etc. Not once every blue moon. . Im sick of seeing the same events whenever i go on Habbo, and id hardly call putting loads of games like falling furni, beat the bunny, dyp, and other predictable events on together where you can win points a good idea... Its ****.. like that summer thing you do

I don't think Mattgarner is doing a good job, im sure some of the mods think something similar to this, he should just resign instead of sitting there doing nothing but editing rules every second Sunday.

I've thought for a while now that comps and events ought to be merged. They'd be able to get more done and not require two sets of management for what are essentially smaller jobs. Events I know can require a lot of planning, especially for Christmas of HxSS and the like, but comps really just put out a couple of threads a month and sit back waiting for it to finish. A large backlog of possible competitions could be written up in half an hour of thought and then just picked out of the vault as and when needed - an entire team isn't particularly necessary. To be fair there are more now than there were previously but it still hardly warrants a separate staff, not to put anyone down.

I agree with you to an extent in that events aren't always that great in that there are limits to what games you can do on Habbo, but that said there's nothing anyone can do about that. I think events staff do a great job of it generally, and seem to manage to make it popular enough even if it is very samey - what events would you rather see here? Not attacking you of course, just making the point that there's not a lot that can be done.

Can't really comment on Matt's work as I don't really know what he does - maybe that says a lot in itself but I know better than to judge a management job from anywhere just by what you can see. Who knows, maybe management as a whole need to be a bit more public, them being in essence the face of Habbox as it stands

[hah]

Rare values, as has always been stated, are based on what the reporters see them selling for. Habbox doesn't set prices, it just calculates averages and trends for what items are already going for on the hotel.



Going to have to outright disagree with you there I'm afraid. A little while back there were a couple of threads about what to do concerning the dwindling activity on forum, and having looked through what figures I could (obviously I can't see all banned members and deleted posts when I do my searches) I found that we aren't really getting much less in terms of new membership, but posting has decreased massively nonetheless. Conclusion was that getting more people to join wasn't the problem at all, but rather making those who are here stay. Something horrific like 67% of members signed up in the first half of October (when I did these checks) hadn't even posted once, while only 6% had made 10 or more posts. These figures are likely to be different now because it's a new month and things like this obviously don't stay static, but it's obviously not looking good.



This should help hopefully, I agree that presence on Habbo needs to be stepped up. Most of us older lot don't go on any more and as far as I can tell a large number of upper management are no longer regulars. A bigger show from the bigger names (and behaving properly, here's looking at you HxHD if you haven't improved since the times I complained :P) would be useful in terms of making sure we're still the foremost in fansites and community. Maybe a Christmas panto where Sam does front of house in the foyer would be a good idea or something along those lines



Because you're bl

oody gorgeous mate



Post approval as far as I'm aware is there just to stop spam bots, but surely for this only 1 post needs to be approved? Just a thought and I may be wrong on that. Arcade isn't a massive issue for me but if it really would bring more people in then perhaps it ought to be opened up to a few more people than just donators/VIP and whatever userranks can use it at the moment. Maybe allowing comps to make, well, comps for it would be a good step, especially as I believe there's been a drive recently for forum-based competitions of late.



This is something I've spoken about time and time again without much happening. Social cliques are a part of humanity as we all like having friends and feeling like we're a part of something, and our own downfall here may be that the forum is now (and has been for some time) too big for just membership to feel like inclusion. I'm going to just copy&paste what I put in another thread because I don't think it really needs rewording and it's easier for me to do it this way. To wit:

In the forum's history there have been plenty of secular activity from the old spam crew and the Runescape fanatics who used to invade each other's area every now and then to KKK and whatever various rivals have sprung up and all the other more general divides (new spam, tech kids, Habbo players, graphics... just basically divides based on where you spend most of your time here). What I'd suggest is something that's come up before but not been implemented - more groups that people can actually join.
Currently we only have pixel artists and IT crowd as public member groups, which doesn't really do a lot for bringing people together as far as I know because they're rather too general. I'm not at all suggesting the system CH have where anyone can make any stupid group like "we like food", but allowing people to apply for having a group of like-minded friends could be to the benefit of the community. Of course, it sounds like it would just further ostracise new members who aren't part of a group, but the reality is that people like being accepted and like being part of something, so even a "new members" group could be made so they at least can get to know the users that are going to grow to be their peers, and when they're no longer so new they'll have whatever friends they've made there to make a new group (or stick around to welcome the even newer people if they so wish).

The truth of humanity is that no matter how much you try to be individual and promote individuality, we always look for a way to connect with others and it feels good when you do. HxSS is a popular and very successful example of this - the teams are still up on group memberships page btw - so a community driven group system could if left unabused and properly managed help strengthen the forum's sense of belonging.

This is of course in direct opposition to what some others say about getting rid of elitist and closed-in group mentality, as I firmly believe that trying to fight such a fundamental part of human nature would always be fruitless



I've thought for a while now that comps and events ought to be merged. They'd be able to get more done and not require two sets of management for what are essentially smaller jobs. Events I know can require a lot of planning, especially for Christmas of HxSS and the like, but comps really just put out a couple of threads a month and sit back waiting for it to finish. A large backlog of possible competitions could be written up in half an hour of thought and then just picked out of the vault as and when needed - an entire team isn't particularly necessary. To be fair there are more now than there were previously but it still hardly warrants a separate staff, not to put anyone down.

I agree with you to an extent in that events aren't always that great in that there are limits to what games you can do on Habbo, but that said there's nothing anyone can do about that. I think events staff do a great job of it generally, and seem to manage to make it popular enough even if it is very samey - what events would you rather see here? Not attacking you of course, just making the point that there's not a lot that can be done.

Can't really comment on Matt's work as I don't really know what he does - maybe that says a lot in itself but I know better than to judge a management job from anywhere just by what you can see. Who knows, maybe management as a whole need to be a bit more public, them being in essence the face of Habbox as it stands


on the bold part, Roxy PM'dd me and i sent her a few ideas :D

[FlyingJesus]

Good times, nice to see people actually giving ideas instead of just straight criticisms :P

[Hecktix]

Good times, nice to see people actually giving ideas instead of just straight criticisms :P

When he's in a good mood there's a lot more to Graham than meets the eye I think :P

[Mentor]

Need more arguments.

Somewhere along the lines, someone got it in to there heads that arguments and conflict of opinion were somehow bad for the forum. On this basis habbox has worked to remove the members who caused and entered in to arguments - now its starting to win, the forums dieing....

why? because coming to a forum to say, "ya i agree" to everything is a waste of time and downright boring. People need to be able to disagree, have totally conflicting views and discuss them without threads being closed because "arguments are teh bad" - people see these threads, have opinions and join in, some members will even join just to join in. Arguments that consist of "u sux" are pointless, sure. arguments that consist of two differing opinions over an issue on the other hand, even if it becomes heated are not bad, and are the lifeblood of most successful forums.

Make this forum a good place to talk, to discuss, to debate, people will talk. make it one where any real discussion is met with closed topics and banned, people will just go somewhere else. simple as that really :)

That said, this thread (more aless) is a yearly occurrence, and my reply (more aless) is a yearly response to it - and as far as i can see, the forums still here and chugging along, so i doubt it'll be all that different next year :)

[Jamesy]

I am agreeing with garion to be honest. The best antidote to this is a rather large shake up to get this forum motoring again. Controversially I think relaxing the forum will be a step in the right direction.

[Inseriousity.]

God know how many times competitions said they are going to change yet no one has seen this, there comps are still 1000 word essays that only get people who hardly post entering them because they have nothing else to do.

Surely to make this assumption, you are actually looking at them? If you did, you would notice that competitions are becoming a lot more varied in their approach. In the past 2 months, we have had a forum quest, for example. Please go through the 'Competitions that have ended' and post links to the '1000 word essay' competitions recently. I can assure you that you would find very few of them. Start backing up your points with actual evidence rather than baseless assumptions.




Post approval as far as I'm aware is there just to stop spam bots, but surely for this only 1 post needs to be approved? Just a thought and I may be wrong on that. Arcade isn't a massive issue for me but if it really would bring more people in then perhaps it ought to be opened up to a few more people than just donators/VIP and whatever userranks can use it at the moment. Maybe allowing comps to make, well, comps for it would be a good step, especially as I believe there's been a drive recently for forum-based competitions of late.

There's an Arcade Tournament atm. I think this is a pretty big forum-based competition. The Arcade is open for everyone at the moment while the tournament is ongoing and once it closes, it will be only open for those who manage to have the right number of posts/Donator/whatever other requirements it takes. This I don't agree with :(


This is something I've spoken about time and time again without much happening. Social cliques are a part of humanity

I agree but that doesn't really mean that they should be mean to new members and shut them out. Humanity is not always so bad.

I've thought for a while now that comps and events ought to be merged. They'd be able to get more done and not require two sets of management for what are essentially smaller jobs. Events I know can require a lot of planning, especially for Christmas of HxSS and the like, but comps really just put out a couple of threads a month and sit back waiting for it to finish. A large backlog of possible competitions could be written up in half an hour of thought and then just picked out of the vault as and when needed - an entire team isn't particularly necessary. To be fair there are more now than there were previously but it still hardly warrants a separate staff, not to put anyone down.

The Competitions Department are currently sorting out christmas competitions, some of which require more than just 'posting a thread.' My main aim as manager was to move away from the pointless routine that the Competitions Department had put itself in and I am pleased to say that we are slowly moving out of that.

[The Professor]

Disagree with jamsey and mentor ^ The rules aren't an issue for the most part apart from what I outlined in my earlier post, lots of other forums have similar rules and are fine, most are just common sense stuff anyway there isn't anything outright mental in there. I think the pointless posting edit is used FAR too draconianly now, especially by a certain smod (I hate to call people out but yknow) and that might be putting people off posting.

Relaunch sounds good, maybe some sort of reform committee can be set up with a few of the older members and a few newer ones to get some ideas bouncing around and refined and stuff? Like the old council was but actually given some power and disbanded once the relaunch is over.

[Hecktix]

I think the pointless posting edit is used FAR too draconianly now, especially by a certain smod (I hate to call people out but yknow) and that might be putting people off posting.

If you are referring to me, most of the 'pointless post' edits I leave come from reported posts by Forum Management, only doing my job there m'fraid


Relaunch sounds good, maybe some sort of reform committee can be set up with a few of the older members and a few newer ones to get some ideas bouncing around and refined and stuff? Like the old council was but actually given some power and disbanded once the relaunch is over.I like this idea.

[Dentafrice]

I agree. The forum is dying. I visit the forum almost everyday, and see fewer and fewer posts.

I used to post like crazy, now there really isn't anything to actually post in that interests me.

I think the generation of us that was the "founding" members of Habbox are just going, and have grown up.

As we grow up, we expect the environment around us to change with us. Kinda selfish, but that's the way it works. As we grow up, we don't stay in the same size bed forever.. we grow out of it.

When we grow up, we get more social.. we expect the environment around us to be more social also, like the rule about pictures of us in our avatars.

That's stupid. We're allowed to link to our facebooks, myspace profiles, and anything else.. which surely has a picture of us on them?

Sure, you can argue that "they don't have to click on it'. I don't think Habbox should be the deciding factor when it comes to safety. You can do everything you can to "protect your users", but it's really not your job.

It's the users decision to come on this forum, same with the users decision to upload a picture of him or herself. They do the same thing on Facebook, MySpace, and any other place where they are allowed to upload a picture of themselves.

I agree with Garion when he says the forum needs a overhaul. Things have died. The D&D used to be amazing.. now it's boring.

Saddens me. I've been here since 04.. and have seen the forum go up and down.. but never this far down.

[Dentafrice]

Sorry for the double post, I know it's "against the rules" (infraction coming probably, this goes along with my post above about how strict it is.. if something has reasons behind it.. why should it be infracted?).. but I wanted to separate my post into two separate things. Better organization
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Anyways, I think that the best thing is to form a committee. Older members, who have seen what has happened.. and have been around through all the changes.

Set up a private forum on HxF for those users to discuss in, polls.. threads.. and we can get some ideas going. Some ideas to bring the community together again, and ways to make Habbox appeal more popular to the current users of Habbo, and those Habbox members who have "gone on" from us.

Edited by invincible (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not double post within the fifteen minute edit time.

[hah]

Sorry for the double post, I know it's "against the rules" (infraction coming probably, this goes along with my post above about how strict it is.. if something has reasons behind it.. why should it be infracted?).. but I wanted to separate my post into two separate things. Better organization
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Anyways, I think that the best thing is to form a committee. Older members, who have seen what has happened.. and have been around through all the changes.

Set up a private forum on HxF for those users to discuss in, polls.. threads.. and we can get some ideas going. Some ideas to bring the community together again, and ways to make Habbox appeal more popular to the current users of Habbo, and those Habbox members who have "gone on" from us.


i don't see how making a forum where only old members can post will bring the community together :\

[Dentafrice]

I don't think you understood how I explained it, or maybe I explained it really badly.

I was agreeing with the idea of a "committee" / "council" whatever you want to call it. Inside of that forum, of the "committee" / "council", there could be ideas and polls of ways to bring the community together.. and management participating in that forum to implement them.

Maybe that makes more sense? The older members, and some newer members get together and discuss what would make it better.

Sorry for the confusion ;P

[Dinosaurawrr]

Why is everyone glaring at me all of a sudden :(

Drags u back 2 habbox >;[
slaps :@

neways on topic
jin is trying very hard he cant do EVERYTHING *looks at nvr.* whenever i go 2 speak 2 him he has 2 fix this
or fire this person
or hire this person
or sort this department
in all fairness 2 him hes doing everything he can
rare values - it needs updating but im sure they r working hard on it.
forum - i just said sumthing 2 matt but i know him and garion are trying.
the radio - we have events coming up 2 hopefully boost listners jess and mell again are trying.
things are trying to be done.. we just have 2 hope they work

[Eoin]

it just dusnt feel the same as a couple of years ago like

[hah]

unban wootzeh he is a result of unfair moderation

[FlyingJesus]

coming to a forum to say, "ya i agree" to everything is a waste of time and downright boring.

It's ok Leah hardly posts in feedback any more so that's not as big an issue


Relaunch sounds good, maybe some sort of reform committee can be set up with a few of the older members and a few newer ones to get some ideas bouncing around and refined and stuff? Like the old council was but actually given some power and disbanded once the relaunch is over.


I think that the best thing is to form a committee. Older members, who have seen what has happened.. and have been around through all the changes.

Set up a private forum on HxF for those users to discuss in, polls.. threads.. and we can get some ideas going. Some ideas to bring the community together again, and ways to make Habbox appeal more popular to the current users of Habbo, and those Habbox members who have "gone on" from us.

Been discussed before, and deemed totally unnecessary. Having been part of the leadership of the old council and then community manager I can say that such a role is not needed. Where are we right now? The feedback forum, where ideas and discussions such as those you're both wanting can take place and aren't exclusive to just older members. Of course those of us who've been around longer may know the place better but some newer members have good ideas too and a lot of the veterans are frankly no use when it comes to tactical thinking or have their own agendas


jin is trying very hard he cant do EVERYTHING *looks at nvr.* whenever i go 2 speak 2 him he has 2 fix this
or fire this person
or hire this person
or sort this department

Just avoiding you tbh


it just dusnt feel the same as a couple of years ago like

Yeah but you're probably not the same person you were a couple of years ago, I know I'm certainly not, so you can't expect it to have the same appeals really

[Meanies]

I've not read through this thread fully yet because I'm somewhat busy but will when I get time and form a better reply.

I agree that the forum is taking a turn downwards and also that it's due to the older members losing interest and moving on as I myself have thought about it a number of times but still stick around. I think the idea of having a 'council' made up of both old and new members would be a benefit and also the idea of a relaunch sometime in the new year could be good.

There are a few skins being remade/created, a christmas one having been ready for a while now COUGH JIN ADD IT NOW. I also think that making the arcade available to all registered members would be a great idea, along with adding more games which I even sent some to nvr to be added a long time ago of which never were :(

That's all for now :P

[Dentafrice]

Been discussed before, and deemed totally unnecessary. Having been part of the leadership of the old council and then community manager I can say that such a role is not needed. Where are we right now? The feedback forum, where ideas and discussions such as those you're both wanting can take place and aren't exclusive to just older members. Of course those of us who've been around longer may know the place better but some newer members have good ideas too and a lot of the veterans are frankly no use when it comes to tactical thinking or have their own agendas



Yeah, I see where you're coming from now.. I just remember the council failing.. or that's what I classify it as :P

[CHA!NGANG]

Haven't read the whole thread so don't shoot me if it's been said, but maybe it's because it's 1 month before people have big exams, and is possibly the biggest school/college month of the year and people's work loads have stopped them from posting and instead they just have a quick look around the forum. It's what I do anyway.

[Nixt]

Haven't read the whole thread so don't shoot me if it's been said, but maybe it's because it's 1 month before people have big exams, and is possibly the biggest school/college month of the year and people's work loads have stopped them from posting and instead they just have a quick look around the forum. It's what I do anyway.

It is undoubtedly a possibility - tied in with the fact that our members are getting older and therefore an increasing amount of them are preparing for the exam season. Nevertheless activity in general has decreased, more so than I remember the other 3 'exam seasons' I have been here so it is an issue we need to look at!

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah, I see where you're coming from now.. I just remember the council failing.. or that's what I classify it as :P

Yeah it was definitely a failure lol


Haven't read the whole thread so don't shoot me if it's been said, but maybe it's because it's 1 month before people have big exams, and is possibly the biggest school/college month of the year and people's work loads have stopped them from posting and instead they just have a quick look around the forum. It's what I do anyway.

Habbox > education tbh

[GommeInc]

Need more arguments.

Somewhere along the lines, someone got it in to there heads that arguments and conflict of opinion were somehow bad for the forum. On this basis habbox has worked to remove the members who caused and entered in to arguments - now its starting to win, the forums dieing....

why? because coming to a forum to say, "ya i agree" to everything is a waste of time and downright boring. People need to be able to disagree, have totally conflicting views and discuss them without threads being closed because "arguments are teh bad" - people see these threads, have opinions and join in, some members will even join just to join in. Arguments that consist of "u sux" are pointless, sure. arguments that consist of two differing opinions over an issue on the other hand, even if it becomes heated are not bad, and are the lifeblood of most successful forums.

Make this forum a good place to talk, to discuss, to debate, people will talk. make it one where any real discussion is met with closed topics and banned, people will just go somewhere else. simple as that really :)

That said, this thread (more aless) is a yearly occurrence, and my reply (more aless) is a yearly response to it - and as far as i can see, the forums still here and chugging along, so i doubt it'll be all that different next year :)
Totally agree. Alot of places seem to think the word "argument" is a bad word, loads of forums follow this and it's come from absolutely no where :S An argument is like a box filled with opinions and facts, you give this box to another person, to which they reply with a box of their own facts and opinions. But according to this forum and quite alot of others, an argument consists purely of flaming, swearing and name calling - THIS IS NOT TRUE. Moderators who think an argument is bad need a kick in the teeth, and members who think this too require the same treatment. Nothing is more frustrating than a forum that clearly doesn't understand the backbone and fibre of a forum; arguments, discussions and open debate. Something that seems to die off.

Not forgeting the "pointless post" edits. A pointless post should be pointless, since when were posts unrelated to the forum subject pointless?! Posts that relate to other posts should be allowed, an example is in this thread, where kk. got the evil red edit :rolleyes:


Haven't read the whole thread so don't shoot me if it's been said, but maybe it's because it's 1 month before people have big exams, and is possibly the biggest school/college month of the year and people's work loads have stopped them from posting and instead they just have a quick look around the forum. It's what I do anyway.
It's been pretty dead since long before exams were even being thought of.

[Black_Apalachi]

Oli's point about how Habbo now throw all the news in your face is true (although I disagree that the homepage is better than the old one :P). The homepage is full of headlines and latest events, then the client is full of it and you even get emails every time something happens. He also mentioned the discussion forums that are on every group page.

Behind all this, the Official Fansites page is tucked away. Out of the minority who may happen to venture over it, based on how it was looking last time I checked, I can't imagine more than a fair few ever following any of the links onto Habbox or any other fansite.

I think Habbox should avoid following this mistake as well. For example, the last time I saw the Habbo Homes of sierk and nvrspk4, they were really bare and uninviting. The least they could do is spruce them up a bit so they look half exciting and at least make a good impression of Habbox. If they don't have the time, just give Alkaz their passwords for a day and he'll do a nice job of it. Maybe it would be an idea to get all of Habbox management to display some sort of link to HabboxForum on their Homes, something uniform that would be easily recognisable. Or if there's a Habbox Group, encourage managers and staff alike to wear the group badge as much as possible.

We need something big to initially attract people from Habbo and hopefully they'll realise Habbox Forum is here and will want to participate in discussions. What's the one thing everyone on Habbo wants? Furni. I think Habbox needs to start doing big competitions and events on a regular basis, not just the usual caption competition or whatever to win 3HCs, so people get used to the fact that the more they come here, the more chance they have of winning a lot of furni. This means that while events taking place on Habbo are letting everybody know about Habbox, the competitions on the forum are keeping them here.

[Titch]

Oli's point about how Habbo now throw all the news in your face is true (although I disagree that the homepage is better than the old one :P). The homepage is full of headlines and latest events, then the client is full of it and you even get emails every time something happens. He also mentioned the discussion forums that are on every group page.

Behind all this, the Official Fansites page is tucked away. Out of the minority who may happen to venture over it, based on how it was looking last time I checked, I can't imagine more than a fair few ever following any of the links onto Habbox or any other fansite.

I think Habbox should avoid following this mistake as well. For example, the last time I saw the Habbo Homes of sierk and nvrspk4, they were really bare and uninviting. The least they could do is spruce them up a bit so they look half exciting and at least make a good impression of Habbox. If they don't have the time, just give Alkaz their passwords for a day and he'll do a nice job of it. Maybe it would be an idea to get all of Habbox management to display some sort of link to HabboxForum on their Homes, something uniform that would be easily recognisable. Or if there's a Habbox Group, encourage managers and staff alike to wear the group badge as much as possible.

We need something big to initially attract people from Habbo and hopefully they'll realise Habbox Forum is here and will want to participate in discussions. What's the one thing everyone on Habbo wants? Furni. I think Habbox needs to start doing big competitions and events on a regular basis, not just the usual caption competition or whatever to win 3HCs, so people get used to the fact that the more they come here, the more chance they have of winning a lot of furni. This means that while events taking place on Habbo are letting everybody know about Habbox, the competitions on the forum are keeping them here.

Yeh, i have to agree there, i for one remeber the reason i came to this forum was becuase i used to listen to adzeh's and hayley's "Win a throne" comp every thursday. I know you may not have the resources for things like that, but bigger prizes could still be used? I know i am happy to always dig-deep in to my habbo rooms and donate large amounts if your getting low.

The bigger habbox prsence gets on habbo the more visiors it will attrack. Maby its even worth getting a offical maze of mats, or some sort of offical maze, becuase then you will again have a popular room (hopefully) with the habbox name being shown to all to see and hopefully visit.

[The Professor]

Been discussed before, and deemed totally unnecessary. Having been part of the leadership of the old council and then community manager I can say that such a role is not needed. Where are we right now? The feedback forum, where ideas and discussions such as those you're both wanting can take place and aren't exclusive to just older members. Of course those of us who've been around longer may know the place better but some newer members have good ideas too and a lot of the veterans are frankly no use when it comes to tactical thinking or have their own agendas

Aye but threads in feedback quickly become an unorganised mess and you also get input from those... lesser informed members :P As good an democratic as that sounds the thread can get derailed having to explain why things aren't possible and stuffs like that. A focus group set up for this purpose with its own forum and stuff would at least keep things on track and organised, we'd just have to make sure Jin is an integral part of it and make sure we cause uproar when he shoots everything down :D

Of course we could use the feedback forum for ideas too, it just isn't in the right format to get things moving.

[cocaine]

he should stay banned, dont think ive seen an argument in a month... all his private joke with other users have stopped also

and yeah i agree, new skins, new more SIMPLER and less clutteredHabbox design and relaunch the forum in the new year or something lol

initt, private jokes are quite annoyingg when posted publically

[-:Undertaker:-]

Drags u back 2 habbox >;[
slaps :@

neways on topic
jin is trying very hard he cant do EVERYTHING *looks at nvr.* whenever i go 2 speak 2 him he has 2 fix this
or fire this person
or hire this person
or sort this department
in all fairness 2 him hes doing everything he can
rare values - it needs updating but im sure they r working hard on it.
forum - i just said sumthing 2 matt but i know him and garion are trying.
the radio - we have events coming up 2 hopefully boost listners jess and mell again are trying.
things are trying to be done.. we just have 2 hope they work

The values are now being updated daily and that won't be stopping, as for the page in general we're tidying it up and trying to add as many extra features/rares that we can, its such a big job though that it's well over 200 new rares we're going to have to add, not to mention the fact that we've got to re-add most of the present rares (already done a lot of them) because they either have the wrong names or wrong picture.

On the forum itself, cut back on the forums. It makes me really question why sub-forums such as Smiddys Shack were targeted even though they got a fair amount of posts, yet other forums such as the Report Rare Values (now sorted) were left, which had no recent posts at all.

[FlyingJesus]

Aye but threads in feedback quickly become an unorganised mess and you also get input from those... lesser informed members :P As good an democratic as that sounds the thread can get derailed having to explain why things aren't possible and stuffs like that. A focus group set up for this purpose with its own forum and stuff would at least keep things on track and organised, we'd just have to make sure Jin is an integral part of it and make sure we cause uproar when he shoots everything down :D

Of course we could use the feedback forum for ideas too, it just isn't in the right format to get things moving.

The problem is that makes it appear as though only those members in the group have a real say on any changes, and even with the most articulate and intelligent members there can be poor decisions made. I don't expect people to agree with everything I say (that's a lie I do really but I'm making a point) but I wouldn't want my ideas going unread just because I hadn't been here long if I was a fairly new member, and having to explain why something may or may not be possible makes a thread stronger if anything - otherwise we might as well just have locked polls where you can't discuss a matter, only vote and leave it at that. What you're suggesting looks exactly like one of the roles for the Community staff of old and the Council before it, both of which were unnecessary and failed because it was a job upper management were doing anyway and with more mandate to do so


On the forum itself, cut back on the forums. It makes me really question why sub-forums such as Smiddys Shack were targeted even though they got a fair amount of posts, yet other forums such as the Report Rare Values (now sorted) were left, which had no recent posts at all.

Well it's obv worth taking away the biggest conversation thread on the forum and demoting it to spam if it'll save half a millisecond page loading times...
Still a fair bit of forum pruning to do methinks, even if it's not started the right way

[hah]

for rare values get of of the things where you click the rare and it adds it up like hhgs had

[Robbie]

for rare values get of of the things where you click the rare and it adds it up like hhgs had

Send Jake (infrequent) a PM with more information and if he likes the idea he'll probably get me to code it :P

[Tomm]

I'll also go ahead and agree with this. I've seen quite a large number of threads that were closed for arguing. Quick frankly I don't see at all why this is a problem, assuming the argument does not resort to personal offensive comments. As pointed out by GommeInc and Mentor, this is one of the fundamental principles of a forum, denying it would be denying the concept of a forum.


Totally agree. Alot of places seem to think the word "argument" is a bad word, loads of forums follow this and it's come from absolutely no where :S An argument is like a box filled with opinions and facts, you give this box to another person, to which they reply with a box of their own facts and opinions. But according to this forum and quite alot of others, an argument consists purely of flaming, swearing and name calling - THIS IS NOT TRUE. Moderators who think an argument is bad need a kick in the teeth, and members who think this too require the same treatment. Nothing is more frustrating than a forum that clearly doesn't understand the backbone and fibre of a forum; arguments, discussions and open debate. Something that seems to die off.

Not forgeting the "pointless post" edits. A pointless post should be pointless, since when were posts unrelated to the forum subject pointless?! Posts that relate to other posts should be allowed, an example is in this thread, where kk. got the evil red edit :rolleyes:


It's been pretty dead since long before exams were even being thought of.

[Robbie]

I'll also go ahead and agree with this. I've seen quite a large number of threads that were closed for arguing. Quick frankly I don't see at all why this is a problem, assuming the argument does not resort to personal offensive comments. As pointed out by GommeInc and Mentor, this is one of the fundamental principles of a forum, denying it would be denying the concept of a forum.

We're not supposed to close threads or use the infraction unless it turns personal. I'll direct Matt or Garion here so they can re-itterate it to the other mods.

[StefanWolves]

We have more guests than members, put a limit of how many threads a guest can view before having to register. Then they will want to post.
I've been trying to push this through for weeks now, but management just do not seem interested and seem adamant on not taking action.

I agree, forum is quietening down, could be a few reasons for this, but I think people are loosing interest in the forum.

I think HxF should re-launch when they decide to upgrade to vBulletin 4.0. Why not? The forum needs it, and would be a great time to do it.

[buttons]

this time last year there was a lot of activity and most people from then don't post anymore so i don't think it's change of season

i really couldn't (still can't if yesterdays anything to go by) post without it being "posting to cause arguments" so i just gave up and don't post at all now, every now and then i'll post in the very few interesting threads otherwise i just leave it due to the crappy moderation - bet that'll be seen as posting to cause arguments!:O and i'm not overexaggerating :)

[Nixt]

this time last year there was a lot of activity and most people from then don't post anymore so i don't think it's change of season

i really couldn't (still can't if yesterdays anything to go by) post without it being "posting to cause arguments" so i just gave up and don't post at all now, every now and then i'll post in the very few interesting threads otherwise i just leave it due to the crappy moderation - bet that'll be seen as posting to cause arguments!:O and i'm not overexaggerating :)

Your post doesn't appear to be causing arguments at all, and this is an issue several people have highlighted and so I would be very intrigued to see exactly what you mean? It is quite worrying if you find that Moderators are punishing you for every post you make - as this is the impression you are giving.

[StefanWolves]

To be honest I totally agree Buttons.

Back in the day, when I used to be a tad fiery and confrontational, I used to post and it used to cause arguments. Not necessarily myself causing the argument, just something I said annoyed someone else. I used to get an infraction/warning for this. However, even AFTER I was trying to NOT cause arguments, moderators would still jump on my back and put all their red writing over what I was saying, probably cause of reputation. Yes I agree I may have done things in the past to annoy people, whatnot, but when people actually try to change and moderators keep still jumping on your back giving you a hard time, it is sort of demoralizing - and you think, what's the point? Then you get to the stage where you just don't bother posting anymore, because you just know what you're saying is going to get mauled over by moderators and members.

This Forum does need change, as much as Staff try to shrug it off, and try to deny it, they know, something needs to be done, and soon - why not a relaunch sometime next year?

The themes need to change when it comes to VB 4.0, because the forum is changing and the styles are kind of looking outdated and blocky. Also, this forums themes just do not match up with www.habbox.com (http://www.habbox.com) theme, which is another reason for change. I'm not going to babel on much more about themes cause I know for a fact sometime next year when we upgrade to vBulletin 4.0 that themes will DEFINITELY change and become more modern.

Rules & Moderating need looking at, arguments are part and parcel of life and will always happen, as long as they don't get offensive then they're fine, moderators and Staff need to give some sort of leeway, if they carry on people are going to be scared to even post. At the moment, the forum is being over moderators, in my opinion, which has driven many many members away or have been banned. Which is not good. One example is Immenseman - Yes, he's like Marmite, love him or hate him, but he was a hugely active and good contributor to this forum, and did a lot for it, was always posting etc. Without people like this, the forum will just die. What I'm trying to say is, this forum needs controversial people, you need people that make things happen and who liven things up, by banning/persistent punishment of these members you are driving the forum down hill.

The forum also needs to gain more members, that's why I thought the cap on the amount of threads guests could view was a brilliant idea (e.g. Unregistered members could only view 10 threads per day, after that they would need to create an account to see more threads), it would create more members and bring in more activitity. But it got thrown out by the minority of people, mainly Staff, who didn't like it. I however still think this is a great idea, and should be considered. Most forums use it, why not HxF? why do we have to be different? we're missing out on it's benefits. In my opinion the biggest challenge this forum has is gaining more members, and it certainly needs looking at deeply.

This forum needs to know what direction it is going in, cause at the moment it is just wallowing around and doesn't know what it is, it needs direction, and change.

That's my opinion anyway.

[FlyingJesus]

I've been trying to push this through for weeks now, but management just do not seem interested and seem adamant on not taking action.

You should know by now why this is, you've been told enough times.


I think HxF should re-launch when they decide to upgrade to vBulletin 4.0. Why not? The forum needs it, and would be a great time to do it.

What do you mean by re-launch? Others have said it in the thread but is the idea just to have one massive membership drive and change everything all at once?


this time last year there was a lot of activity and most people from then don't post anymore so i don't think it's change of season

i really couldn't (still can't if yesterdays anything to go by) post without it being "posting to cause arguments" so i just gave up and don't post at all now, every now and then i'll post in the very few interesting threads otherwise i just leave it due to the crappy moderation - bet that'll be seen as posting to cause arguments!:O and i'm not overexaggerating :)

tbh I haven't noticed moderation being that strict in the extreme but that's probably because I'm often careful with what I'm posting these days. That said I've had infractions and warnings recently that I can't really argue against but seem to be rather nitpicking and laying a bit too much on the idea of not having arguments or insulting people, both of which I don't see a problem with if done properly. Overall I think moderation's pretty good, but the issue of arguments is a bit out of hand even I'd agree. We've come a long way since old spam and totally in the wrong direction I think.


Back in the day

Join Date: Jul 2009

lol


At the moment, the forum is being over moderators, in my opinion, which has driven many many members away or have been banned. Which is not good. One example is Immenseman - Yes, he's like Marmite, love him or hate him, but he was a hugely active and good contributor to this forum, and did a lot for it, was always posting etc.

Lots of posts =/= good contributions
He was obviously banned for a reason if not multiple and mounting reasons, personally I'd say Wootzeh had done far more in terms of community here (rather than just having a following of 12 year olds) and he's also been banned, but I'm not suggesting that banning him has brought about the downfall of the forum.



this forum needs controversial people, you need people that make things happen and who liven things up, by banning/persistent punishment of these members you are driving the forum down hill.

True, but controversial doesn't have to mean rulebreaking. Pleke and Greco were controversial, Joe/Helen/Ryan/Alex etc were controversial, Lee and Allan were controversial but all of these were beneficial only in that they brought some form of amusement to the place, whereas these days "controversial" members seem to just be the whiny oh-no-I-got-an-infraction-I-hate-moderation kids.


The forum also needs to gain more members, that's why I thought the cap on the amount of threads guests could view was a brilliant idea (e.g. Unregistered members could only view 10 threads per day, after that they would need to create an account to see more threads), it would create more members and bring in more activitity. But it got thrown out by the minority of people, mainly Staff, who didn't like it. I however still think this is a great idea, and should be considered. Most forums use it, why not HxF? why do we have to be different? we're missing out on it's benefits. In my opinion the biggest challenge this forum has is gaining more members, and it certainly needs looking at deeply.

Again, you have been told all of this before plenty of times and failed to come up with any reason other than "why not" in its favour. The minority that argued against it were the ones who actually had reasons rather than just posting "yh gd idea x" and not returning.

[StefanWolves]

To your remark about me only being registered since July, I have been on this forum for years on multiple accounts, so don't jump to conclusions.

The fact that you haven't proven to me any conclusive proof that this sort of system wouldn't work is a bit of a worry, seeing as though you are criticizing me for not providing proof, when I really can't because I don't know where to look. All I know is most successful forums use it, most forums I go on use it. So it must work.

As for your question about the re-launch, I meant change in attitude of Staff & moderators, change in rules, change in UI, and a surge to try and gain more members, a fresh start for VB 4.0 - That's what I meant.

[The Professor]

To your remark about me only being registered since July, I have been on this forum for years on multiple accounts, so don't jump to conclusions.

The fact that you haven't proven to me any conclusive proof that this sort of system wouldn't work is a bit of a worry, seeing as though you are criticizing me for not providing proof, when I really can't because I don't know where to look. All I know is most successful forums use it, most forums I go on use it. So it must work.

As for your question about the re-launch, I meant change in attitude of Staff & moderators, change in rules, change in UI, and a surge to try and gain more members, a fresh start for VB 4.0 - That's what I meant.

Yawn, read that thread before, its your job to convince us not our job to disprove you. If you can't convince people it obviously can't be a clear cut genius idea!

Change in attitude of moderators can't really happen unless you get new moderators, attitude isn't the issue anyway its the implementation of certain rules. Change in skins and a membership drive should suffice, maybe get rid of all that horrible red writing and have a slick looking mod edit box thing ala warez-bb, red writing seems very 2004 :P Oh and enable some of the cooler features, badges and eshop where you buy coloured names and features and stuff, just make it a bit more interesting!

[hah]

Yawn, read that thread before, its your job to convince us not our job to disprove you. If you can't convince people it obviously can't be a clear cut genius idea!

Change in attitude of moderators can't really happen unless you get new moderators, attitude isn't the issue anyway its the implementation of certain rules. Change in skins and a membership drive should suffice, maybe get rid of all that horrible red writing and have a slick looking mod edit box thing ala warez-bb, red writing seems very 2004 :P Oh and enable some of the cooler features, badges and eshop where you buy coloured names and features and stuff, just make it a bit more interesting!

i like all them ideas, especially the mod edit box and maybe have an admin one also

[Hecktix]

In terms of what buttons said about posting to cause arguments I think the whole idea of an 'argument' needs to be discussed.

I try to leave arguments for as long as possible as most are healthy, but the thing is if you do this you turn to the reported posts forum and see that all the people in the argument have reported eachothers posts, and if you don't deal with it then you get PM's asking why etc. I agree that arguments are healthy but a lot of users may contradict their argument here by reporting every post made by the other member.

[StefanWolves]

Yawn, read that thread before, its your job to convince us not our job to disprove you. If you can't convince people it obviously can't be a clear cut genius idea!
As I said above, I don't know have the know-how to find proof, all you have to do is look at other forums to see that this forum is missing a trick.


Change in attitude of moderators can't really happen unless you get new moderators, attitude isn't the issue anyway its the implementation of certain rules.
I know what you mean, but if rules change, and senior members of staff tell (s)moderators what attitude they should use then attitudes could change.


Change in skins and a membership drive should suffice, maybe get rid of all that horrible red writing and have a slick looking mod edit box thing ala warez-bb, red writing seems very 2004 :P Oh and enable some of the cooler features, badges and eshop where you buy coloured names and features and stuff, just make it a bit more interesting!
I agree with all this, totally. I especially like the idea of the 'warez-bb style mod edit box', I hate the red writing, eye sore.

[The Professor]

I know what you mean, but if rules change, and senior members of staff tell (s)moderators what attitude they should use then attitudes could change.

Like I say, attitude isn't really the issue anyway. From what I've seen the current crop of moderators are fairly reserved and uncontroversial, its only really ye olde oli who seems to be more outspoken, and even then I wouldn't say he has a bad attitude. We don't even seem to have a lot of trigger happy mods like we used to so yeah its not a problem.

[Sharon]

he should stay banned, dont think ive seen an argument in a month... all his private joke with other users have stopped

He had his good and bad sides.
Hes an great member though ;]


Its cus jakes banned, its just no the same without him.

Ikr :(

On Topic:
Yeah its died down :(

[hah]

we need to close down clubhabbo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the users said they would come back to habbox if it closed lol

http://www.clubhabboforum.net/showthread.php?t=248763&page=2

[Chippiewill]

Warning - Block of Text ahead

I feel that lots of new users feel intimidated by the fact that lots of users are waaaay above them and that they wont be able to catch up.

The main problem in the decline is the growing gap between old users and new users. I feel that new users need to feel more welcomed and should not feel the negativity which I feel a lot of new users receive. So perhaps new users could be changed so they cannot be -repped until 200 posts and perhaps picking arguments or not encouraging new users should be disallowed. I know that in a lot of sections people can feel shunned by groups and in places like Graphics and Web design new users struggle to fit in and get laughed at when they post an alteration or a web layout because people direct the negative qualities at the user rather than improvements and encouragement to keep the users improving. I am not sure to much about the other sections but I feel that there are closed groups which prevent people feeling welcome in some sections. Perhaps there should be a 'Newbies' forum for new users which old users cannot see or post in and which only a few staff can see and post in? This way they can have a 'safe haven' which is an exclusive feature to them and they can feel like their own sub-community. And on the topic of features, perhaps there should be lesser forum features which they can access making them feel included in exclusivity but still keeping people encouraged to post but not get banned.

But thats's just my 2 cents .... and a quarter.

[hah]

Warning - Block of Text ahead

I feel that lots of new users feel intimidated by the fact that lots of users are waaaay above them and that they wont be able to catch up.

The main problem in the decline is the growing gap between old users and new users. I feel that new users need to feel more welcomed and should not feel the negativity which I feel a lot of new users receive. So perhaps new users could be changed so they cannot be -repped until 200 posts and perhaps picking arguments or not encouraging new users should be disallowed. I know that in a lot of sections people can feel shunned by groups and in places like Graphics and Web design new users struggle to fit in and get laughed at when they post an alteration or a web layout because people direct the negative qualities at the user rather than improvements and encouragement to keep the users improving. I am not sure to much about the other sections but I feel that there are closed groups which prevent people feeling welcome in some sections. Perhaps there should be a 'Newbies' forum for new users which old users cannot see or post in and which only a few staff can see and post in? This way they can have a 'safe haven' which is an exclusive feature to them and they can feel like their own sub-community. And on the topic of features, perhaps there should be lesser forum features which they can access making them feel included in exclusivity but still keeping people encouraged to post but not get banned.

But thats's just my 2 cents .... and a quarter.

i don't see how having a forum to themselves would help them integrate into the community, i agree with the rep idea to some extent, the levels for some of the ways to get points need to be lowered because they are way to high and it takes ages to get to another rep point... and lower the amount you need to rep before you can rep them again.

[StefanWolves]

Are we all in agreement that something needs to be done?

[Hazza]

Hmm, I've noticed this... I haven't actually used the forum properly like I used to for about 4 months, I just find it dead... I come on daily to check posts, but never post no more. Nothing interests me, something has gone but I dunno what is it!

[StefanWolves]

Its lost its mojo.

[FlyingJesus]

The fact that you haven't proven to me any conclusive proof that this sort of system wouldn't work is a bit of a worry, seeing as though you are criticizing me for not providing proof

That'll be aside from all of the figures and charts I showed in the other threads, yes?

As I quite clearly showed previously (and as was agreed by those who actually read it), the amount of people joining the forum is not an issue at all because it's hardly changed over the year, and a huge majority don't become useful members. Even if adding a joining requirement to see threads did make some people join - and we're of course allowing for all of that traffic decline which has been spoken about before and you admitted to not thinking of as important - that will not make more people become a new generation of good posters, which is what we need. It is therefore entirely pointless.


I feel that new users need to feel more welcomed and should not feel the negativity which I feel a lot of new users receive. So perhaps new users could be changed so they cannot be -repped until 200 posts

200 posts is a long long way, and some new people really do deserve it. Undeserved -rep can be removed and isn't likely to be given to new members unless they rub people the wrong way anyway.


and perhaps picking arguments or not encouraging new users should be disallowed.

Kinda is already lol


Perhaps there should be a 'Newbies' forum for new users which old users cannot see or post in and which only a few staff can see and post in? This way they can have a 'safe haven' which is an exclusive feature to them and they can feel like their own sub-community.

A bit far to have a forum just for new people methinks, but one idea I've advocated before and will a few times again I'm sure is having a few more member groups to help people feel included in things. I certainly don't mean to have it like chf where you can (or could when I saw) just make any old group about anything and such, but having one for new members, one for tech guys, a couple of Habbo related ones and so on to allow for the cliques that already exist to become more of an official thing. It might seem that such groups would further exclude non-members of these communities but they're going to be around no matter what and this way if properly moderated they could allow people of similar interests to be brought closer together. In reference to new members, they'd be able to identify with other newcomers and form new friendships before working out where they think they fit in with other groups, if they wish to at all.

[StefanWolves]

That'll be aside from all of the figures and charts I showed in the other threads, yes?

As I quite clearly showed previously (and as was agreed by those who actually read it), the amount of people joining the forum is not an issue at all because it's hardly changed over the year, and a huge majority don't become useful members. Even if adding a joining requirement to see threads did make some people join - and we're of course allowing for all of that traffic decline which has been spoken about before and you admitted to not thinking of as important - that will not make more people become a new generation of good posters, which is what we need. It is therefore entirely pointless.

200 posts is a long long way, and some new people really do deserve it. Undeserved -rep can be removed and isn't likely to be given to new members unless they rub people the wrong way anyway.



Kinda is already lol



A bit far to have a forum just for new people methinks, but one idea I've advocated before and will a few times again I'm sure is having a few more member groups to help people feel included in things. I certainly don't mean to have it like chf where you can (or could when I saw) just make any old group about anything and such, but having one for new members, one for tech guys, a couple of Habbo related ones and so on to allow for the cliques that already exist to become more of an official thing. It might seem that such groups would further exclude non-members of these communities but they're going to be around no matter what and this way if properly moderated they could allow people of similar interests to be brought closer together. In reference to new members, they'd be able to identify with other newcomers and form new friendships before working out where they think they fit in with other groups, if they wish to at all.

But yet you still ignore the comment I left in their? you keep referring back to these stats but don't bother posting when I raised a valid comment. I'll quote myself from the thread you made, shall I?

Very nice OP.

I agree with the person who said have a couple of people dedicated to approving posts. Hell, I would take the job, it'd be something to do, and i'd be helping HxF out, if posts get approved quicker, users will keep coming back, if they take ages to go through (sometimes hours) then users won't bother coming back, FACT. I also agree with the person who agreed with my idea of limiting the amount of threads that guests can view, but I don't think that is going to happen. People keep saying it will be a disadvantage to the forum, but I am yet to see proof of that.

I don't think we should be doing things like 'quests' and forum games, I think that is totally off the mark, yes it may HELP users stay on the forum, but it still doesn't sort out the problem of actually getting people to sign up. If more people sign up = more chance of more active members, FACT. Which is why I suggested we bring in the limit on guests viewing threads, even if it's for a 1-3 month trial, try it out, that's the only way that we will find out if it is worth it. Then if we see an increase in USERS, then we can implement changes into the forum itself in order to make those newer members stay on the forum, and encourage them to become more active.

And yes I agree, maybe our main problem is Elitism, maybe we could have a section for new members just to post, and where only HxF staff can post back (this could be called the 'Sand box' or something, or just make the 'welcome forum' staff replies only). This would mean they would get nice polite replies from high forum members, and it would encourage them to stay, they would feel more welcome.

1. Make the 'welcome forum'/new 'Sand Box' staff replies only.
2. Trial: Introduce the limit on guests viewing threads.
3. IF the trial is successful: introduce newer forums or forum activities like 'quests' and 'games'.

I also agree with the person who said advertise via HabboxLive, that is A GREAT IDEA, it could be a great source of getting new members, and could be an even greater source if we take advantage of these newer members, with the three suggestions that I have given above.

You could also introduce a very strict rule where something like if new members get taken the piss out of but without actually breaking rules, then they could get a warning or something. Just something needs to be done about newer members getting flamed.

1. Give out a notice/pm to the WHOLE forum telling them that they need to change their attitudes towards newer members. Also notifying them of the 'new rule toward newer members'
2. If they are still rude and have bad attitudes towards newer members, enforce the new rule and give them a warning straight off, and if they continue then make it an infraction.

Just a few ideas I thought up there, most of you won't agree with all of these, but hey, this is the feedback forum, and those are the changes that I believe need to be brought in.
Ah, there we go.

[FlyingJesus]

What's that meant to show? All I can see that's at all relevant to what we're talking about is you yet again saying that there's no proof of a detrimental effect if people were forced to register to view threads, so unless you truly are unable to see the parts of posts (not just from me, but from the GM himself and others) saying that the effect on traffic makes it not worth the small chance of minimaly increased activity I don't know what you're getting at here.

[StefanWolves]

Can't you get it into your head? If we don't turn that traffic into members then there won't be much of a forum left to pay for, meaning that the money generated by the advertisements which comes from the amount of traffic that the forum has would be useless, as the forum would still be becoming more and more inactive.

It is pretty simple from where I stand, if you don't make change, you won't get newer members, if you don't make change, the members that are even still coming in won't stay, either way its a loose loose situation, something needs to be done.

[GommeInc]

In terms of what buttons said about posting to cause arguments I think the whole idea of an 'argument' needs to be discussed.

I try to leave arguments for as long as possible as most are healthy, but the thing is if you do this you turn to the reported posts forum and see that all the people in the argument have reported eachothers posts, and if you don't deal with it then you get PM's asking why etc. I agree that arguments are healthy but a lot of users may contradict their argument here by reporting every post made by the other member.

Simple, ignore them and tell them to grow up. It's an argument, if they can't accept another persons argument, they they counter it. If they're too lazy to do that, then it's no wonder name calling comes into play, and when it does, you give out warnings and maybe even reply in the thread (like alot of forums on the interwebs do) stating that if name calling persists, they'd get in trouble. It saves the thread from being pointlessly closed :P

And is it a good idea to force guests to join? Just means pointless accounts, not activity. You've got to fixed the central issue of why current members aren't posting first, before chucking more in the mix. (aimed at Wolves).

[Nixt]

Moderators have now been informed to be cautious in issuing the "Posting to cause" infraction and have been reminded that it should only be used where arguments get out of hand / pointless / insulting.

As per VB4 who knows what is on the horizon ;). We just need to get Christmas out of the way and we have people working on things that I hope will make a massive difference in the near future!

[FlyingJesus]

Can't you get it into your head? If we don't turn that traffic into members then there won't be much of a forum left to pay for, meaning that the money generated by the advertisements which comes from the amount of traffic that the forum has would be useless, as the forum would still be becoming more and more inactive.

It is pretty simple from where I stand, if you don't make change, you won't get newer members, if you don't make change, the members that are even still coming in won't stay, either way its a loose loose situation, something needs to be done.

Christ you seriously aren't reading a word I say are you?
Getting more members is not a priority.
We need changes on the forum for those who are already here. People who are joining up to become active members don't need to be forced to join, they just need persuading to stay, which obviously have nothing at all to do with whether they register in the first place. Something does need to be done yes, but make a change to how many threads a visitor can see isn't going to make anyone become a more active member of the community.


And is it a good idea to force guests to join? Just means pointless accounts, not activity. You've got to fixed the central issue of why current members aren't posting first, before chucking more in the mix. (aimed at Wolves).

I really hope there is something wrong in his head that makes him unable to take in what I say rather than just an inability to understand the point, because then perhaps he'll be able to realise the real problem now someone else has said it.

[adaym]

Bring back ---MAD--- and A4AOwen and we'll be sorted. Nebula couldn't run a mile let alone a forum xoxo

[Hecktix]

Bring back ---MAD--- and A4AOwen and we'll be sorted. Nebula couldn't run a mile let alone a forum xoxo

If MAD came back we'd lose members from all the pointless bans he issued on people he didnt like...

[adaym]

If MAD came back we'd lose members from all the pointless bans he issued on people he didnt like...
Now, now ;).

It was fun though, you have to admit. I had some mint disputes with him, his ego is haaauuuuuuuuuge. Anyway, to this council idea that I proposed in another thread and someone has taken on board in this thread and taken all the glory from: I agree, a mix of old and new, staff and non-staff, even some randomer comments from Habbo itself and please, new year, new start because it's ridiculous now.

We all know the circle of Habbox where people leave and then come back but it's never been this bad.

[Hecktix]

Now, now ;).

It was fun though, you have to admit. I had some mint disputes with him, his ego is haaauuuuuuuuuge. Anyway, to this council idea that I proposed in another thread and someone has taken on board in this thread and taken all the glory from: I agree, a mix of old and new, staff and non-staff, even some randomer comments from Habbo itself and please, new year, new start because it's ridiculous now.

We all know the circle of Habbox where people leave and then come back but it's never been this bad.

He was a good Forum Manager I suppose, just went a little loopy when he got GM :P

I fully agree with an idea of a council, maybe not even a council but a monthly members meeting or something. Just to discuss possible changes.

Many say feedback is a good thing for this, and yes, we do take on ideas from members in feedback, but if we had a meeting then we could address a certain agenda and do many things, rather than just picking the one or two good ideas that arise from threads like this and taking them on.

We've already taken on the thought of arguments being part of everyday life therefore moderators have been instructed to allow arguments to certain extents. This has always been an idea within moderation however I assure you (because I wrote the thread with MG) moderators will be following this procedure from now on.

[adaym]

Just don't do a Mugabe on us :)

[FlyingJesus]

I fully agree with an idea of a council, maybe not even a council but a monthly members meeting or something. Just to discuss possible changes.

Many say feedback is a good thing for this, and yes, we do take on ideas from members in feedback, but if we had a meeting then we could address a certain agenda and do many things, rather than just picking the one or two good ideas that arise from threads like this and taking them on.

If there was a meeting it would 100% definitely leave some people out due to timing, as obviously not all of the members are on at the same time. The way to get around that would be to have a thread for it which is open for a while to allow discussion to go on over a period of time, but then you might as well use feedback as is suggested. I don't really see what advantage there would be in a live meeting where anyone can interrupt and points would have to come out of thin air over a forum discussion where people have time to post thought-out reasonings for their ideas.

[hah]

new userbars :/

[Black_Apalachi]

new userbars :/

wth are those colours by your userbar???? o.O

[Cyndia]

So I'm too lazy to read through all 11 pages of this so hopefully no ones said this yet... But referral contests ftw. Or seriously, like someone else mentioned, just make the forum unviewable to guests after a certain number of pages are viewed.. Lately it seems like every time I've logged on there's more guests viewing habbox than users browsing (it's 102 guests to 86 members right now). If we could get more people to start joining and posting instead of just browsing that would be great!

[FlyingJesus]

Think that proves my point about the sort of people who agree with that idea.

[The Professor]

wth are those colours by your userbar???? o.O

His usertitle ;)

[Chippiewill]

Perhaps the bronze stars should be made more appealing and allow bronze bigger avatars (They look horrid whilst small)

[The Professor]

Perhaps the bronze stars should be made more appealing and allow bronze bigger avatars (They look horrid whilst small)

So you're saying new members aren't staying because they don't like the look of the bronze stars? Just want to clarify before I lash out at you for that absurd suggestion :P

[Chippiewill]

So you're saying new members aren't staying because they don't like the look of the bronze stars? Just want to clarify before I lash out at you for that absurd suggestion :P

Well I hated having bronze stars, they look horrible, as do the silver stars. To be perfectly honest I associate it with 'new user' where as when I see the jeweled ranks I think a big poster.

Forum Lag :/

[Nixt]

I realised myself that the council idea was something of a fallacy... a thread, such as this one, seems to bring about some good ideas and suggestions that we can discuss and perhaps implement. I feel this works far better than any council would.

[The Professor]

Well I hated having bronze stars, they look horrible, as do the silver stars. To be perfectly honest I associate it with 'new user' where as when I see the jeweled ranks I think a big poster.

Forum Lag :/

Fair enough, just making sure I wasn't taking that the wrong way :P

Every forum I've been on that has a ranking system has something bad for the first rank, we used to have a "newbie" user rank back in the day before the stars came about and on a certain forum I've come across the first rank is "I read my dad's playboys" :P The first one is designed to be less desirable to encourage you to want to post a lot to get rid of it. If that is really putting people off they need to question their existance on the planet, let alone the forum :D

[FlyingJesus]

Gotta love DS forums.

I agree that userranks are a good thing for keeping new members - as chips said the bronze stars aren't exactly pretty and so people are more likely to want to post and stick around to get rid of them. Having goals that you need to be active to achieve is precisely what we need right now

[Smits]

Well I hated having bronze stars, they look horrible, as do the silver stars. To be perfectly honest I associate it with 'new user' where as when I see the jeweled ranks I think a big poster.

Forum Lag :/

But surely having a ranking system where you start off with somthing un-attractive is good? Wouldn't that encourage people to become more active to escape the 'bronze stars'/

[GommeInc]

Urgh, a council would be a ghastly idea. It never worked in the past, singling out a small group of members in an attempt to silence the majority was never a good idea. Besides, no-one likes running them, it's so boring and useless when the feedback forum runs itself.

[9y]

Its cus jakes banned, its just no the same without him.

I thought exactly the same when i opened this thread

[Titch]

If MAD came back we'd lose members from all the pointless bans he issued on people he didnt like...

And i would be straight on auto-ban :(

[Black_Apalachi]

His usertitle ;)

but how?





And hi guests, please register so you can post here!

[Nixt]

I recently noticed that there were a lot of instances where active discussions were being closed because of the misbehaviour of just one or two members. Matt and I were worried this was having a negative affect on our current members because it is severely reducing the discussions our members can participate in. Therefore we made the decision to change the policy so that threads should remain open as far as possible as long as any discussion remains.

We hope that this is a turn in the right direction because we are very keen to improve the forum :).

[Tomm]

What is all this about then?

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=614812

First off, it was a question not a statement and there was no reason to close it as people were actively involved in a discussion. Guess not all the moderators got the message.

[Hecktix]

What is all this about then?

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=614812

First off, it was a question not a statement and there was no reason to close it as people were actively involved in a discussion. Guess not all the moderators got the message.

Sorted

[Seatherny]

If MAD came back we'd lose members from all the pointless bans he issued on people he didnt like...

He was the worst ever GM ever. Thank God he left as he was so childish.


I recently noticed that there were a lot of instances where active discussions were being closed because of the misbehaviour of just one or two members. Matt and I were worried this was having a negative affect on our current members because it is severely reducing the discussions our members can participate in. Therefore we made the decision to change the policy so that threads should remain open as far as possible as long as any discussion remains.

We hope that this is a turn in the right direction because we are very keen to improve the forum :).

Unfortunately a very good thread was closed earlier in the "Discuss Anything" forum. I agree its topic had changed fully from the OP's post, but I think that's where Moderators / Super Moderators should come in, post:

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Any member continuing the xxxx discussion will be warned. Please revert back to the original discussion to avoid arguments
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The thread which was closed was very interesting and it's quite unfair on the thread starter.

I also think (Forum) Management should post regularly interesting debates, announce it, make use of the Notice thing on top of the forum (make it permanent) and give out more awards for good posters in those Debates.

Also create more giveaway (HFFM seem to do a giveaway every day ... not too sure if its for real or not, but I see it on top of Navigator everyday on Habbo) and ask them to join Habboxforum.com (not direct them to habbox.com only). Tell them to register to HabboxForum.com

Do more competitions within the forum (apart from Member of the Month).

[FlyingJesus]

I believe that thread in Discuss Anything is what sparked off the management discussion of the new rule, which I view as a big step forward. Totally agree with you in that individuals should be warned and then punished if they continue rather than closing an entire discussion which has potential.

Debates could have a revamp now that the debating rule's been fixed - it should allow for better discussion to take place. This is of course not going to change the entire fate of the forum but having debates done properly like the old days should certainly be more fun and maybe even informative for many members.

[Nixt]

Are you suggesting that we do away with "Members Debates" and have debates set by Forum Management for a set period of time. Also closely moderated?

Tom is right that thread in Discuss Anything was what gave me the idea to change the way we seem to close threads at the first sign of trouble :P.

[Seatherny]

Have both Members Debates and ones set my Management. But get Management to do more interesting ones which would get alot of interesting and promote them more. Like make use of the "Notices" on a permananent basis.

[Nixt]

Yeah I like that idea. I was thinking of having debates ran by Forum Management and when each debate closes the (A)FM reads through it and chooses a 'top debater' who wins like VIP or something :).

[hah]

clubhabbo have that and they choose a user to set them

immenseman has that job there LOLLLL and they get rep and vip for the best contributors

[FlyingJesus]

tbh I thought that ought to be done long ago, I was in the process of setting it up when I was Community Manager but the department was merged and closed before it could actually be done.

[hah]

you need to tell iadam that you have changed the moderation

i double posted by mistake and reported my post within like 10seconds and got a usernote :l

[xxMATTGxx]

you need to tell iadam that you have changed the moderation

i double posted by mistake and reported my post within like 10seconds and got a usernote :l

We haven't told them to change anything regarding double posting. The only new polices that they are now following is regarding arguments and opening/closing on the forums.

[hah]

We haven't told them to change anything regarding double posting. The only new polices that they are now following is regarding arguments and opening/closing on the forums.

I tough you was been more lenient.. dont expect you to do much with him anyways :rolleyes:

..im surprised you're not sick of all his mistakes

[xxMATTGxx]

I tough you was been more lenient.. dont expect you to do much with him anyways :rolleyes:

..im surprised you're not sick of all his mistakes

You posted:

you need to tell iadam that you have changed the moderation

I then replied telling you that we didn't tell them to change anything about double posting polices. But looking at it, you did report the post saying sorry etc. So maybe you shouldn't of got that usernote after all.

[hah]

yeah i agreee

[GommeInc]

When they used to make debates, they were okay, but to save themselves from making crap ones they simply did not post anymore. Official Debates are useless anyway, management and members are no smarter than each other, so allowing members to have their own is no different to official ones - how are they to be advertised and promoted without spamming inboxes and doing that annoying "Habbox Forum wants you to look at something" (vbulletin problem though, hopefully a new update will make it so that these notifications appear under notifications e.g. where private messages and visitor messagers are located and announced).

What if official debates are picked out from member ones? Saves all the added and unneeded leg work then, when a member debate is added that looks as though it maybe interesting (that's before someone with the intelligence of a pea thinks an argument is a bad thing), move it to the main forum area (Debates being the main forum, Member Debates being a sub-forum) so it gets recognised. Having a member of management or a special person do it, just keeps this divide that "Management know best" when they're as dumb and stupid as the rest of us.

---- SO in short, "official" or "recognisable" debates should be picked out from Members, IF a member has an interesting topic to debate all over.

[Hecktix]

When they used to make debates, they were okay, but to save themselves from making crap ones they simply did not post anymore. Official Debates are useless anyway, management and members are no smarter than each other, so allowing members to have their own is no different to official ones - how are they to be advertised and promoted without spamming inboxes and doing that annoying "Habbox Forum wants you to look at something" (vbulletin problem though, hopefully a new update will make it so that these notifications appear under notifications e.g. where private messages and visitor messagers are located and announced).

What if official debates are picked out from member ones? Saves all the added and unneeded leg work then, when a member debate is added that looks as though it maybe interesting (that's before someone with the intelligence of a pea thinks an argument is a bad thing), move it to the main forum area (Debates being the main forum, Member Debates being a sub-forum) so it gets recognised. Having a member of management or a special person do it, just keeps this divide that "Management know best" when they're as dumb and stupid as the rest of us.

---- SO in short, "official" or "recognisable" debates should be picked out from Members, IF a member has an interesting topic to debate all over.

I back this idea, very good suggestion. It's also letting the members put something into the forum too, which is good.

[Immenseman]

http://boardreader.com/sp/Habbox_UK_Forum_19111.html

That's depressing. It's a drastic change from what it was. People can grasp at suggestions for the slump as they please. I don't know the answer. One thing I know it isn't is the "time of the year". This time last year and for the last few years it hasn't been as dead as it is now. I provided the link to boardreader because to be top on an average week for the last 6 months you'd have to be 400+.

Now it's like 100, there have been times when it's been over 1500 (admittedly i'm the only one who has got that) but a few people have passed the 1000+ mark. At the end of the day a forum literally needs only a handful of people who contribute across the whole forum to make it active. CHF has this and it's far more active than HxF (amount of posts and posts per thread). Yet it has a smaller user base.

That makes me think it's not the amount of people which is the issue but rather the amount of exciting threads and in general exciting things for users to do. I would like to see bigger events. Even if that meant having less. You go to an event and it's not new people playing that are going to sign up to Habbox it's all habbox people. It's the same sort of "gang" if you like that all go. It's fun for them but it doesn't aid Habbox at all.

I'd much rather see daily competitions, posted in announcements so all people could see. For example, it could be Mike posting an image and telling people to PM him the best caption. Whoever wins can have 1HC or 15 reputation points. The prize can be discussed but I think it's a reasonable idea to make the forum a generally more exciting place to be. At the moment it's just drab and mundane and has been for quite a while.

Also, I think those who consider themselves as older members need to get over themselves a bit. Just because you've been here from 04-06 or whatever it doesn't make you any better. (I think Graham touched upon this). It's actually this group of users who ruin it in my opinion. Other forums have changed with the times, this one hasn't because of certain people who are scared of change. I include management in this category (general not dept.). They forget this is a HABBO forum and HxF will attract users from HABBO - therefore we need to make this a forum that 13/14 year olds are going to enjoy. Being the biggest forum doesn't have the wow factor when it's about as entertaining as Alan Carr's Chatty Man. Like P-A suggested we need to have forum groups that can be user made, forum badges, let people argue (providing no insulting) and merge ALL double posts (not just from users you like). Just examples of s few things to make the forum a nicer place.

Another point is that management do not use Habbo. OK, sierk that's fine - he hasn't for years - not an issue. Now, all other fansites which have more influence on Habbo have management who are followed and adored. I don't think you realise how influential well known Habbos actually are on the client. For example, Paul and Soph are well known on the UK and they got their site official status just through advertising. I hate their site yet people use it just because of their "fame" or whatever. CH has SkaterChu, the most well known Habbo, as well as Jemmwah and Barmi. HFFM has Carnio etc. Habbox has nobody who even uses Habbo on a regular basis. It used to, no longer. Other sites know this is a way to aid their site, Habbox hasn't clocked on to this because the site in general is so conservative. I know you won't ever change this because it goes against what did work (from 04-08) and you think you can turn it around by altering forum rules on a weekly basis.

As much as I respect Nvrspk4 as a person I think he has to shoulder some of the blame, some of his choices have been ridiculous and he's hesistant to ensure he doesn't upset people. I can't really elaborate here without being critical of individuals and staff appointments which isn't appropriate. When the forum was popular with 8freak8 and ---MAD--- they didn't care about upsetting people. He does. I don't think Jin does either but from what I've been told (I don't know him well so could be wrong) he has a job and uni to think about so maybe isn't the best person to continue running Habbox. When I have worked with him he's good at what he does and always provides a view on things but whether he can continue to put the amount of time into Habbox that he is atm is a different matter. It needs new leadership but I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate to be GM material. It needs a brave decision. It doesn't have to be someone who is management at the moment - someone who is active and enjoys the forum.

Anyway, that's not at all coherent it's just some things thrown together in the space of a few minutes. If I'm being completely honest, I think even still management are hesitating and waiting for 2010. Why? If they're busy get new people in. Some things could change straight away and we could see the benefits in the early part of 2010. As it is nothing is going to happen until then so we won't see the benefits until Q2 of next year by which time it'll have got worse.

/two cents

[-:Undertaker:-]

As much as I respect Nvrspk4 as a person I think he has to shoulder some of the blame, some of his choices have been ridiculous and he's hesistant to ensure he doesn't upset people. I can't really elaborate here without being critical of individuals and staff appointments which isn't appropriate. When the forum was popular with 8freak8 and ---MAD--- they didn't care about upsetting people. He does. I don't think Jin does either but from what I've been told (I don't know him well so could be wrong) he has a job and uni to think about so maybe isn't the best person to continue running Habbox. When I have worked with him he's good at what he does and always provides a view on things but whether he can continue to put the amount of time into Habbox that he is atm is a different matter. It needs new leadership but I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate to be GM material. It needs a brave decision. It doesn't have to be someone who is management at the moment - someone who is active and enjoys the forum.

That is good management, not bad. 8Freak8 and ---MAD--- ruled in my opinion, in the most arrogant way possible which was that if you were not on their 'side' or in their 'group', you were on the other side and thus an 'enemy' of Habbox, whereas the real situation was that people wanted Habbox to change and open up, not fail and end up closing.

[FlyingJesus]

I provided the link to boardreader because to be top on an average week for the last 6 months you'd have to be 400+.
Now it's like 100, there have been times when it's been over 1500 (admittedly i'm the only one who has got that) but a few people have passed the 1000+ mark.

That is pretty terrible tbh, I don't think I've ever been on the top posters list and for me to be on there with a mere 71 in a week is awful. If an average of 10 posts per day can make you one of the top 10 most active then that really shows how much needs to be done.


At the end of the day a forum literally needs only a handful of people who contribute across the whole forum to make it active. CHF has this and it's far more active than HxF (amount of posts and posts per thread). Yet it has a smaller user base.

Contribute well would be a better statement, I'm sure you remember when Kyle used to reply to every single post on the forum and that didn't do anything to help :P


we need to have forum groups that can be user made, forum badges, let people argue (providing no insulting) and merge ALL double posts (not just from users you like).

Can't say anything about double posts as I don't see many anyway, but I know moderation on arguments has just been made more lenient so that's a good start. Not overly keen on badges but I know a lot of other people are, so maybe that could be an idea. They can definitely be messy but if they only showed on profiles rather than in postbits, or were very small in postbits, I can't see it being a major problem as long as there aren't thousands of them being thrown around.

User made forum groups I agree with to an extent - I think rather than allow them to be made willy-nilly (lol willy) they could be applied for an management have to approve their creation, otherwise it gets overcrowded and useless like the people on facebook who join every single group under the sun. This way the groups would also be somewhat more official and less open to abuse.


Another point is that management do not use Habbo.
etc
etc
Habbox has nobody who even uses Habbo on a regular basis. It used to, no longer. Other sites know this is a way to aid their site, Habbox hasn't clocked on to this because the site in general is so conservative. I know you won't ever change this because it goes against what did work (from 04-08) and you think you can turn it around by altering forum rules on a weekly basis.

I think this is really a problem to do with the "mature" attitude that Habbox tries to give off. Most members of upper management are older than our target demographic and younger members often won't be promoted to the higher positions simply because they lack the mentality of the others - not a criticism as such, as obviously it's important for management to get on and be on a similar wavelength, but it's an observation that does need taking into consideration. I'm by no means saying they should suddenly give over admin control to a group of 12 year olds, but a Habbo presence is definitely needed and this isn't happening at the moment.


It needs new leadership but I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate to be GM material. It needs a brave decision. It doesn't have to be someone who is management at the moment - someone who is active and enjoys the forum.

Not too sure if nvr is going to stay around (looks like even he isn't sure) but I think Jin would do fine if he did end up leaving. What I think is really lacking more than an active GM is a Community AGM, as this would also cover the last point about getting around on Habbo and becoming more of a presence like the old days. Rare values dept are apparently rebuilding and getting things going again after some hiccoughs, so then we need someone to get campaigns and such for the hotel itself to notice us again.

[Nixt]

I very much agree Habbox needs a kind of Fansite Representative on Habbo. It is very important that someone well known on Habbo is seen around promoting Habbox quite a lot, combined with an advertising drive on Habbo and a change in the way we attract our members this would be a very effective way of gaining new members.

This leads me onto agreeing to your next point in regard to General Management. If we are to have a fansite representative then it seems to make sense that that individual be a member of General Management. I don't really understand Habbo nowadays but don't you get a badge or something? This kind of thing is normally enough to make the noobs love you which gives you the ability to promote Habbox and the Forum. However if we are to do this we need a strong and importantly, complete team of General Management. This has been my opinion now for quite a while and I am not afraid to say it. Our current AGMs are doing an excellent job, however this isn't time to be messing around and questioning who may or may not be coming back or who might stay or who might go. Whatever. I think firm decisions should be made so we can have a team of AGMs and a GM who take an authoritative lead in changing Habbox and HxF for the better.

In matters like this, however, I am like any other member - I have a voice, but I am unable to make any such changes myself.

[Immenseman]

That is good management, not bad. 8Freak8 and ---MAD--- ruled in my opinion, in the most arrogant way possible which was that if you were not on their 'side' or in their 'group', you were on the other side and thus an 'enemy' of Habbox, whereas the real situation was that people wanted Habbox to change and open up, not fail and end up closing.

Habbox is always going to be rated with regards to popularity. You can say what you want about any of those people (they all had their flaws imo) but it was much better under ---MAD--- and 8f8. Of course, I'm just judging by popularity and influence on Habbo as that's all I can go by. They did better than Nvr, that much is fact.


That is pretty terrible tbh, I don't think I've ever been on the top posters list and for me to be on there with a mere 71 in a week is awful. If an average of 10 posts per day can make you one of the top 10 most active then that really shows how much needs to be done.

I knew it would be bad when I went to find the link just before I posted but I too was shocked at how dire it had become. I think it pretty much just highlights the severity of the problem and how quick it has come about. It was this year when I had 1500+ and only a couple of months ago the 10th or so person had 200+.


Contribute well would be a better statement, I'm sure you remember when Kyle used to reply to every single post on the forum and that didn't do anything to help :P

Yeah. There is a difference between posting "cool lol xD" in every thread and what I meant. However, I have no doubt that if you were to check boardreader in a couple of weeks it'll be much improved. I'm not saying I'm going to get rid of all of the problems but I know for sure that there will be a hell of a lot more posts this week and I'm going to make sure of that. Not by spamming every thread by creating new ones and pushing discussion. Tis easily done. Not everyone is as sad as me though, granted. :P


Can't say anything about double posts as I don't see many anyway, but I know moderation on arguments has just been made more lenient so that's a good start. Not overly keen on badges but I know a lot of other people are, so maybe that could be an idea. They can definitely be messy but if they only showed on profiles rather than in postbits, or were very small in postbits, I can't see it being a major problem as long as there aren't thousands of them being thrown around.

If you look at CHF then I don't think it all looks ugly. I'll give you a link to a random thread on there (not because it's created by me -.-). I think you're allowed to link to other fansites, if not then sorrry. http://www.clubhabboforum.net/showthread.php?t=248175

I think the badges look fine there and not at all out of place or messy. They actually look neat and tidy and just makes it easier on the eye and looks cute imo :D


User made forum groups I agree with to an extent - I think rather than allow them to be made willy-nilly (lol willy) they could be applied for an management have to approve their creation, otherwise it gets overcrowded and useless like the people on facebook who join every single group under the sun. This way the groups would also be somewhat more official and less open to abuse.

That's what I don't want. Management need to release some of their power and let users have more freedom. Of course if they were used to target other users "I HATE GOMMEINC" and it was a genuine hate group for him or whatever then it could be dealt with as could sexually explict ones or whatever people decided to create. If people want to join every group then I don't see why they shouldn't. I think you should be able to have friend groups too. Although it's not going to make the forum more active it might make people hang around for a bit longer if they think they're making friends.


I think this is really a problem to do with the "mature" attitude that Habbox tries to give off. Most members of upper management are older than our target demographic and younger members often won't be promoted to the higher positions simply because they lack the mentality of the others - not a criticism as such, as obviously it's important for management to get on and be on a similar wavelength, but it's an observation that does need taking into consideration. I'm by no means saying they should suddenly give over admin control to a group of 12 year olds, but a Habbo presence is definitely needed and this isn't happening at the moment.

All successful fansites are like that on UK. HFFM - owned by Carnio, he's 17 or 18. CHF owned by SkaterChu - 18+ ran by Jemmwah and Barmi - 18+. Hababble, owned by Cooshie, 20+ and ran by Beat (I think) 18+. They are the only sites I use and all of them are the same sort of ages as management on here. Just because they're old doesn't mean they're not Habbo users. All of those people are. They enter competitons and have a fan base so to speak. This is something Habbox seriously lacks. Not one of their general management users actively plays Habbo, same for Forum Management. This is why in my opinion Habbox has little influece on the Hotel in comparison to said sites.


Not too sure if nvr is going to stay around (looks like even he isn't sure) but I think Jin would do fine if he did end up leaving. What I think is really lacking more than an active GM is a Community AGM, as this would also cover the last point about getting around on Habbo and becoming more of a presence like the old days. Rare values dept are apparently rebuilding and getting things going again after some hiccoughs, so then we need someone to get campaigns and such for the hotel itself to notice us again.

Yeah, I'm not doubting Jin but from what I've been told he wants to know whether Nvr is staying or not so he can appoint someone to replace nvr and then take more of a back seat. Again, this wasn't from him but from another senior management member so whether it's true or not I do not know. I agree about Community AGM, they need someone who will give a breath of fresh air into the departments that affect Habbo.

Maybe a sort of community department? Can deal with PR, room advertisements etc. If they got people who were popular on Habbo (there are some on the forum) it'd work. Even if we just got rooms to put habbox.com back in their room descriptions then it would help, even if only a small bit. I know you headed a community department but it never got off the ground, with the right encouragement and actually giving the departments tasks it could work.

[FlyingJesus]

Dunno I guess at that size the badges don't look too bad, but does CHF have a horizontal skin that it can be checked on? I can't stand vertical skins for some reason and I'm sure it could be done ok as long as there aren't 50 badges per user or something.

My point about groups was going by the idea that I thought people would have badges for the groups like on Habbo (hence not wanting thousands :P) and these would be the requested groups, I entirely agree with normal friend groups being made by anyone who wants to though as any ties that members have with each other are likely to make them want to stick around more, just that these would be of a different sort and wouldn't have badges.

As for a community department, I don't think we really need one. HxHD staff should be on top of their game promoting the Habbox community and being a real presence for us rather than just waiting for an event to start and then completely ditching the room. They have more than enough staff to actually do something, and they aren't even the only Habbo-based department, so really there ought to be plenty of people available to make Habbox the big name is used to be.

[Immenseman]

Dunno I guess at that size the badges don't look too bad, but does CHF have a horizontal skin that it can be checked on? I can't stand vertical skins for some reason and I'm sure it could be done ok as long as there aren't 50 badges per user or something.

If it does I have no idea how to get onto it. I think it looks much nicer but then again I guess they actually have someone who puts hours of work into the skin and it's probably the best Habbo skin I've ever seen which is probably why I think everything looks so pretty.


My point about groups was going by the idea that I thought people would have badges for the groups like on Habbo (hence not wanting thousands :P) and these would be the requested groups, I entirely agree with normal friend groups being made by anyone who wants to though as any ties that members have with each other are likely to make them want to stick around more, just that these would be of a different sort and wouldn't have badges.

Even if we had groups with open membership they will just create a sense of belonging. They don't have to have any silly user title or rank thingy nor do groups come with a badge. The groups would just be like "I love garion" /"I love habbox events"/"I visit the Help desk" etc etc they don't cause any harm and you only see them when you click on the user that has joined them, they show on their page. It might help keep members and give current members something new to do. People will want their group to be the best and will try and make it so.


As for a community department, I don't think we really need one. HxHD staff should be on top of their game promoting the Habbox community and being a real presence for us rather than just waiting for an event to start and then completely ditching the room. They have more than enough staff to actually do something, and they aren't even the only Habbo-based department, so really there ought to be plenty of people available to make Habbox the big name is used to be.

Yeah, fair point was just suggesting new ideas that would help Habbox have a bigger influence on the hotel. If you want HxHD staff to do it then you're going to have to hire a whole new team because with all due respect none of those HxHD staff members are going to promote Habbox successfully because people have no reason to listen to them.

[The Professor]

Using badges as achievements might be a good idea, they're pretty popular these days with the PS3 and Xbox 360 achievements. The escapist has a similar system and I like the idea of it, gives people stuff to aim for. We could give them for things like posting in every forum, special ones for posting a lot in one forum (nerd badge for tech forums for example), special ones for winning competitions, stuffs like that.

[emotional]

sorry, haven't read this thread, and i have no intention to.

BUT, (this is coming from a 'newbies' point of view) many people aren't signing up because of the classical habbox skins. i remember when i was new, i got put off because of the skins.

i'll put money on that if you guys got somebody to integrate a real decent skin, like CH's winter one (only took me + calum a few real working days!) then activity would rise.

i'll make a skin for you peeps.

[Immenseman]

Yeah. For example, I am debates leader on CHF and those who make the best contributions to my debates on there are given a badge and reputation points. Some people like me love a debate but I have no doubt that a few people contribute for the prize. They make sure it's constructive so I pick them and allows the debate to flow. It encourages people to get involved and when they do get involved they enjoy it and then begin to use the forum more because they have a badge that not everyone else has. People are very materialistic and want to be able to show it off.

This would work on Habbox too if it was implemented. I know it's seen as a bit childish winning a badge for winning a Habbox competition but I assure you it would see an increase in participation and then those who win will continue to stay around which could even help solve the issue of member retention.

I know there is no proof it would work but it's better than what's happening at the moment, which is zilch.

[Nixt]

I am already looking at reintroducing a debates system like we had 'back in the day'. This system will also include giving prizes etc. It has been given the approval from management so I will go about doing it asap. I will also see that we discuss the introduction of badges, it's not something I have ever personally favoured but I see the tide of member opinion is changing in it's favour and therefore I will see if we can perhaps have some kind of badge system introduced. Something minimal though.

[emotional]

...zzz missed my contribution.

[Immenseman]

sorry, haven't read this thread, and i have no intention to.

BUT, (this is coming from a 'newbies' point of view) many people aren't signing up because of the classical habbox skins. i remember when i was new, i got put off because of the skins.

i'll put money on that if you guys got somebody to integrate a real decent skin, like CH's winter one (only took me + calum a few real working days!) then activity would rise.

i'll make a skin for you peeps.
Very true, they are incredibly ugly. I think even if they just made ONE real good skin (even if they had to pay) and made that the skin you first saw when you signed up, more people would stay. I know it's a matter of an opinion but when you sign up you see that vile yellow and blue skin first (I think). It has to be neutral, then let them decide. Even if you just put the normal blue skin as the first one you see then it won't be as bad, at least it will be neutral and a lot more easy on the eye.


I am already looking at reintroducing a debates system like we had 'back in the day'. This system will also include giving prizes etc. It has been given the approval from management so I will go about doing it asap. I will also see that we discuss the introduction of badges, it's not something I have ever personally favoured but I see the tide of member opinion is changing in it's favour and therefore I will see if we can perhaps have some kind of badge system introduced. Something minimal though.

Go for it. I know that people won't like this but it's true. You offer an incentive they will be popular. If you don't, they won't be. Maybe that encourages people to participate and contribute for the wrong reason but providing their post still relates to the topic and helps the debate move on then I don't see the issue.

[FlyingJesus]

I like the classic skin :'( slitzzzzz nah but do make more if others don't like it, as long as it's an option still it won't bother me and can only do good

Hooray for debates coming back properly, I tried doing it as comms manager but it was collapsed before it actually happened so good to see it's actually going to be done now.

[Nixt]

...zzz missed my contribution.

We are also looking at the creation of new skins. I think we are looking at doing them for VB4, however, because it seems pointless to create them for our current version of the software if we will, eventually, be updating :).

[Immenseman]

I like the classic skin :'( slitzzzzz nah but do make more if others don't like it, as long as it's an option still it won't bother me and can only do good

Hooray for debates coming back properly, I tried doing it as comms manager but it was collapsed before it actually happened so good to see it's actually going to be done now.
It's ugly. With regards to debates, believe it when you see it, don't believe a word they say until you see proof. They're just like the conservative party, all empty promises.

lol in all seriousness, it's good it's going to happen and if they're ran in the right way they'll get some proper responses and might even serve as a reason for people to come onto the forum

[emotional]

We are also looking at the creation of new skins. I think we are looking at doing them for VB4, however, because it seems pointless to create them for our current version of the software if we will, eventually, be updating :).
code it predominantly in CSS, then the transition is sleek.

that's what i did with CH, simply coded the majority of it with divs, and we'll have no trouble switching over. will take a bit of tweaking but heh.

[FlyingJesus]

Going back to presence on the hotel, logged in at about 3 and been just wandering about HxHD checking it every couple of minutes and seen literally 7 people in that time. Then I see navigator and CH, HFFM and some guys called Habbo-Sovial have got giveaways on the top with 44, 34 and 22 people in them respectively at the moment. Fair play a giveaway will always bring in the numbers but when I left just now I was the only person in HxHD, which is simply not on in the evenings no matter how many times "we can't be there 24/7!!!" is pleaded.

[Immenseman]

Yeah, there is no excuse for it being empty after school on a winters evening, lol.

[Nixt]

code it predominantly in CSS, then the transition is sleek.

that's what i did with CH, simply coded the majority of it with divs, and we'll have no trouble switching over. will take a bit of tweaking but heh.

We will have enough work cut out making the transition with our current skins, it's just a lot easier if we code our new skins onto VB4. I do think the skins are an issue but I don't think they are that pressing, as yet. I do very much agree we need some new skins though.


Going back to presence on the hotel, logged in at about 3 and been just wandering about HxHD checking it every couple of minutes and seen literally 7 people in that time. Then I see navigator and CH, HFFM and some guys called Habbo-Sovial have got giveaways on the top with 44, 34 and 22 people in them respectively at the moment. Fair play a giveaway will always bring in the numbers but when I left just now I was the only person in HxHD, which is simply not on in the evenings no matter how many times "we can't be there 24/7!!!" is pleaded.

I agree that HxHD is a prime way of attracting new members and it should be at the top of the list at this kind of time. HxHD and it's staff can do this as they have proved in the past and I think it would be beneficial if they cracked on and made it happen regularly :D.

[xxMATTGxx]

Any new skins will be for Vb4 from now on (I think) due to Vb4 being one of them annoying things. Anyway, I was never a big fan of the badge system you may see on other forums. But if Habbox did get it installed and the badges looked pretty cool and the system was well organised in giving them out etc etc. Then I can see it being a pretty good idea.

[Immenseman]

Why aren't people fans though? I think it's time you disregard your personal likes and dislikes and actually implemented things that benefit the forum. With all respect, I believe that if the forum was doing really well then that'd be because of MattGarner's management and if it's struggling then I see it as his fault.

It's like a football team. If the team is struggling, the blame has to be placed on the managers shoulders because they're the one who are sticking with the systems. This can be related to the forum too in my opinion. Even if there are background problems. At Portsmouth there were money issue, the manager had to make do, he had to sell players and couldn't buy. He was dismissed because the team didn't do well. Like at the moment Gordon Brown is blamed for all the problems even if it might not be his fault just because he's in charge.

That's why I think blame has to ultimately lay at the door of general and forum management. They're the ones who can get change. It's all well and good saying things might have to happen because of the lack of the activity and what not but rather than keep talking about them why don't we see some proof of them happening.

[xxMATTGxx]

I only said "I was never a big fan of the badge system". That doesn't mean it would never come to the forum. It also doesn't mean I would hate it that much I would say "no" to it. If the badges were made looking good and the system worked well, then I would have no problems with it being on the forum. The badge system has already got a thread for Forum & General Management to talk about in the staff forums, to discuss what the views are on it, it’s allowed and so on. So if my views was really bad about the system, then surely that thread would not be there in the first place.


Why aren't people fans though? I think it's time you disregard your personal likes and dislikes and actually implemented things that benefit the forum. With all respect, I believe that if the forum was doing really well then that'd be because of MattGarner's management and if it's struggling then I see it as his fault.

It's like a football team. If the team is struggling, the blame has to be placed on the managers shoulders because they're the one who are sticking with the systems. This can be related to the forum too in my opinion. Even if there are background problems. At Portsmouth there were money issue, the manager had to make do, he had to sell players and couldn't buy. He was dismissed because the team didn't do well. Like at the moment Gordon Brown is blamed for all the problems even if it might not be his fault just because he's in charge.

That's why I think blame has to ultimately lay at the door of general and forum management. They're the ones who can get change. It's all well and good saying things might have to happen because of the lack of the activity and what not but rather than keep talking about them why don't we see some proof of them happening.

[FlyingJesus]

I think he was talking more about accountability than the reasons for not liking badges, that seemed more of a minor opening point on that post

[Nixt]

Matt said he didn't like them personally but that doesn't mean we aren't discussing the possibility of introducing them anyway. In fact in the thread I posted in Forum Management Only I said "I don't like them, but it seems the members are beginning to and therefore introducing them would be an advantage". So we don't allow personal opinion in the way but we do like to listen to the members, regardless of our personal opinion.

I'd like to point out that although Matt and I try to do things there are only certain things we can do and we do need to clear things with senior management first. Additionally we only have the ability to do certain things in certain instances. Skins, for example, are not an area either of us particular specialise in. The responsibility for the decline cannot be rested solely on Matt's shoulders. Matt did not cause the problem and it's hardly a football team and I don't think the affinity between the forum and Portsmouth FC is a fair one. We do have the power to make changes, however, and we are setting the wheels in motion. We're taking steps to make them happen but as I said previously we don't have the power to click our fingers and see a bunch of changes implemented and everyone be happy. If I did have that authority things might be different, but I don't and we are trying to do our best with what we have :).

[Immenseman]

I only said "I was never a big fan of the badge system". That doesn't mean it would never come to the forum. It also doesn't mean I would hate it that much I would say "no" to it. If the badges were made looking good and the system worked well, then I would have no problems with it being on the forum. The badge system has already got a thread for Forum & General Management to talk about in the staff forums, to discuss what the views are on it, it’s allowed and so on. So if my views was really bad about the system, then surely that thread would not be there in the first place.


I think he was talking more about accountability than the reasons for not liking badges, that seemed more of a minor opening point on that post

Yeah. The badges is just one thing that continued me on. I'm sure you work hard, although I couldn't think of the top of my head exactly what you've done and how you've made things better. It wasn't a personal attack at all, I'm sure you do things behind the scenes. I think it's just when you're the forum manager the blame has to be with you when the forum suffers. Just my opinion.

[StefanWolves]

http://boardreader.com/sp/Habbox_UK_Forum_19111.html

That's depressing. It's a drastic change from what it was. People can grasp at suggestions for the slump as they please. I don't know the answer. One thing I know it isn't is the "time of the year". This time last year and for the last few years it hasn't been as dead as it is now. I provided the link to boardreader because to be top on an average week for the last 6 months you'd have to be 400+.

Now it's like 100, there have been times when it's been over 1500 (admittedly i'm the only one who has got that) but a few people have passed the 1000+ mark. At the end of the day a forum literally needs only a handful of people who contribute across the whole forum to make it active. CHF has this and it's far more active than HxF (amount of posts and posts per thread). Yet it has a smaller user base.

That makes me think it's not the amount of people which is the issue but rather the amount of exciting threads and in general exciting things for users to do. I would like to see bigger events. Even if that meant having less. You go to an event and it's not new people playing that are going to sign up to Habbox it's all habbox people. It's the same sort of "gang" if you like that all go. It's fun for them but it doesn't aid Habbox at all.

I'd much rather see daily competitions, posted in announcements so all people could see. For example, it could be Mike posting an image and telling people to PM him the best caption. Whoever wins can have 1HC or 15 reputation points. The prize can be discussed but I think it's a reasonable idea to make the forum a generally more exciting place to be. At the moment it's just drab and mundane and has been for quite a while.

Also, I think those who consider themselves as older members need to get over themselves a bit. Just because you've been here from 04-06 or whatever it doesn't make you any better. (I think Graham touched upon this). It's actually this group of users who ruin it in my opinion. Other forums have changed with the times, this one hasn't because of certain people who are scared of change. I include management in this category (general not dept.). They forget this is a HABBO forum and HxF will attract users from HABBO - therefore we need to make this a forum that 13/14 year olds are going to enjoy. Being the biggest forum doesn't have the wow factor when it's about as entertaining as Alan Carr's Chatty Man. Like P-A suggested we need to have forum groups that can be user made, forum badges, let people argue (providing no insulting) and merge ALL double posts (not just from users you like). Just examples of s few things to make the forum a nicer place.

Another point is that management do not use Habbo. OK, sierk that's fine - he hasn't for years - not an issue. Now, all other fansites which have more influence on Habbo have management who are followed and adored. I don't think you realise how influential well known Habbos actually are on the client. For example, Paul and Soph are well known on the UK and they got their site official status just through advertising. I hate their site yet people use it just because of their "fame" or whatever. CH has SkaterChu, the most well known Habbo, as well as Jemmwah and Barmi. HFFM has Carnio etc. Habbox has nobody who even uses Habbo on a regular basis. It used to, no longer. Other sites know this is a way to aid their site, Habbox hasn't clocked on to this because the site in general is so conservative. I know you won't ever change this because it goes against what did work (from 04-08) and you think you can turn it around by altering forum rules on a weekly basis.

As much as I respect Nvrspk4 as a person I think he has to shoulder some of the blame, some of his choices have been ridiculous and he's hesistant to ensure he doesn't upset people. I can't really elaborate here without being critical of individuals and staff appointments which isn't appropriate. When the forum was popular with 8freak8 and ---MAD--- they didn't care about upsetting people. He does. I don't think Jin does either but from what I've been told (I don't know him well so could be wrong) he has a job and uni to think about so maybe isn't the best person to continue running Habbox. When I have worked with him he's good at what he does and always provides a view on things but whether he can continue to put the amount of time into Habbox that he is atm is a different matter. It needs new leadership but I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate to be GM material. It needs a brave decision. It doesn't have to be someone who is management at the moment - someone who is active and enjoys the forum.

Anyway, that's not at all coherent it's just some things thrown together in the space of a few minutes. If I'm being completely honest, I think even still management are hesitating and waiting for 2010. Why? If they're busy get new people in. Some things could change straight away and we could see the benefits in the early part of 2010. As it is nothing is going to happen until then so we won't see the benefits until Q2 of next year by which time it'll have got worse.

/two cents
Says it all.

Thank you for that Jake.

[Robbie]

I can't remember if I've mentioned this or not, but what would help a lot is having a Community AGM. As much as I like Rosie I really cannot understand why a replacement hasn't been found - be it temporarily or permanently.

[StefanWolves]

I agree, a temp is needed.

[Hecktix]

I can't remember if I've mentioned this or not, but what would help a lot is having a Community AGM. As much as I like Rosie I really cannot understand why a replacement hasn't been found - be it temporarily or permanently.


I agree, a temp is needed.

nvrspk4 is currently Acting Community AGM.

[StefanWolves]

Oh gosh. Says it all.
Hell I could do a better job than him.

HxF should have a User Council or something, a group, with a leader, make a forum for it, ask users to provide suggestions etc, then council could have discussions with the CMs and GMs.

This way the users of the forum actually have a voice, and a say in what actually happens.

[Robbie]

nvrspk4 is currently Acting Community AGM.

Why does nobody tell me these things?

[Hecktix]

Why does nobody tell me these things?

cus ur a minion :D

nah i dunno.. not many people know, dunno why it hasnt been announced

[dirrty]

cus ur a minion :D

nah i dunno.. not many people know, dunno why it hasnt been announced
that kinda proves that hes not doing the job well enough if not many people know though :P

[GommeInc]

Why does nobody tell me these things?
Surely everyone should know this? And isn't nvrspk4 ill :S

[hah]

why dont you just upgrade to vb four now and make the new skins instead of waiting till the new year?.......

[xxMATTGxx]

why dont you just upgrade to vb four now and make the new skins instead of waiting till the new year?.......

Because Vb4 hasn't been fully released yet.

[Immenseman]

Matt said he didn't like them personally but that doesn't mean we aren't discussing the possibility of introducing them anyway. In fact in the thread I posted in Forum Management Only I said "I don't like them, but it seems the members are beginning to and therefore introducing them would be an advantage". So we don't allow personal opinion in the way but we do like to listen to the members, regardless of our personal opinion.

I'd like to point out that although Matt and I try to do things there are only certain things we can do and we do need to clear things with senior management first. Additionally we only have the ability to do certain things in certain instances. Skins, for example, are not an area either of us particular specialise in. The responsibility for the decline cannot be rested solely on Matt's shoulders. Matt did not cause the problem and it's hardly a football team and I don't think the affinity between the forum and Portsmouth FC is a fair one. We do have the power to make changes, however, and we are setting the wheels in motion. We're taking steps to make them happen but as I said previously we don't have the power to click our fingers and see a bunch of changes implemented and everyone be happy. If I did have that authority things might be different, but I don't and we are trying to do our best with what we have :).

Like I have already said, the badges was just an example I used to make sure my point was put across properly and to ensure you understood what I meant.

I was promised that General Management aren't butting into departments and that department managers have the final say. You and Matt are department managers. General Management say they don't intervene and then you tell me you have to go through them to implement change. You certainly shouldn't have to. My point stands as far as I'm concerned you and Matt run the forum therefore you have to shoulder some of the blame for the forum not doing very well. I think any good leader would. Again, this is an opinion and if you believe that you and Matt who run the forum don't deserve any of the blame for the forum suffering then that's your opinion and I respect that.

Again, I compared it to Portsmouth to ensure you understood what I meant. I only used them as an example to highlight when things aren't going well regardless of changes from above, in this case General Management, those in charge of the team, in this case the Forum Management are the ones who have to get the results, in this case popularity.

Realistically, I know it's not entirely your fault or Matt's fault or any bodies fault as an individual. However, there is a clear lack of action seeing as this issue was acknowledged by Forum and General Management months ago. I haven't noticed any significant change to actually aid the forum and challenge the issue directly.


Says it all.

Thank you for that Jake.

Regardless of what people say about me and how I act, I genuinely enjoy coming on this forum and will help in whatever way I can in helping it out this rut. If that's suggesting ideas and giving opinions, even if sometimes they're extreme then that's exactly what I'll do.


nvrspk4 is currently Acting Community AGM.

Was that his idea? "I'll do the role whilst I'm away!!!" Like it was his idea to choose an AGM who was going to Uni in a few months? Like it was his idea to choose an AGM who had resigned due to being busy? Like it was his idea to choose an AGM who was an inactive member? I love nvrspk4, we haven't always seen eye to eye but he's reasonable and will help as and when I've needed him too however I really disagree with some of his decisions. Especially with regards to appointments. :)

[hah]

we got jake to take mr oshs place.. now get someone to take Catszys place...... even if its temp... because nvr seems to be doing nothing :P. ,Jess, is working as a manager ages.. im sure she will whip them all into shape lol

[Immenseman]

we got jake to take mr oshs place.. now get someone to take Catszys place...... even if its temp... because nvr seems to be doing nothing :P. ,Jess, is working as a manager ages.. im sure she will whip them all into shape lol

Nah, it has to be someone like Rosie who actually contributes to the forum in terms of posting and what not because I never see her posting to be honest. Although, she was a manager same time as me I think like 2007 and I was AGM and resigned like over a year ago, lol.

[hah]

she posts in music :P but it was the only one i can think of because from whaT i hear all other manages are 12-15 years of age :P

[Sammeth.]

Was that his idea? "I'll do the role whilst I'm away!!!" Like it was his idea to choose an AGM who was going to Uni in a few months? Like it was his idea to choose an AGM who had resigned due to being busy? Like it was his idea to choose an AGM who was an inactive member? I love nvrspk4, we haven't always seen eye to eye but he's reasonable and will help as and when I've needed him too however I really disagree with some of his decisions. Especially with regards to appointments. :)


In all fairness it was always the plan for me to stop being Community AGM and become Staff AGM, and it was me who suggested it as staff agm is less work. I never said I was resigning from Habbox completely and I made sure I never said that :8 And I would like to think Im on quite a bit, I seem to get through the job quite easily. I dont mean to just disregard the whole rest of the post, but I just thought I would clarify cus am nice.

[Immenseman]

she posts in music :P but it was the only one i can think of because from whaT i hear all other manages are 12-15 years of age :P

None of them are suitable which is why nvr had to take it. That's the wrong decision too though. No managers (department wise) really integrate with the community in terms of posting and getting involved in and around the forum. They have to bite the bullet and appoint someone controversial, -:Undertaker:-, GommeInc, FlyingJesus, MattG. Just a few names who I personally think would do a good job.

Personally this is what I would do:

GM - split between the next few for the time being. just have jin in charge for the last word type thing
AGM content - infrequent
AGM staff - Sammeth.
AGM community - MattGarner
Forum Manager - Garion
Assistant Forum Manager - Robbie/Invincible

his obviously isn't me just saying friends names (obv as i put oli there ;l :P) as I don't talk to the majority of those people. I think Matt would be much better as AGM Community. He is suited to the role. Obviously, that's just me and I have no influence whatsoever. That would work better in my opinion.

edit; ok sam. didn't know that was the plan.

[Sammeth.]

to be fair I would really like FlyingJesus to be part of higher management as he always has a very fair and well thought out approach to things and the thought process behind his points are always logical. He also was promised a job when that pointless community department closed down but nothing came to fruition (I dont know if I used that word in the right context, but its such a cute word).

[-:Undertaker:-]

Habbox is always going to be rated with regards to popularity. You can say what you want about any of those people (they all had their flaws imo) but it was much better under ---MAD--- and 8f8. Of course, I'm just judging by popularity and influence on Habbo as that's all I can go by. They did better than Nvr, that much is fact.

He is the reason (---MAD---) why we have declining numbers now, nobody new lasted under his regime, which explains that as we have lost users over the past year or so since he left, those who should of replaced them never did, because they either were banned under him or thought 'sod it' because it was run like a police state.

On the actual solution, skins aren't even a part of it - we need to get on Habbo and get people back, us sitting on here with nice skins and badges on the forum won't win anybody back.

[The Professor]

nvrspk4 is currently Acting Community AGM.

I can't get my head round that. If he's too ill to do his job as GM then why has he taken up a job that desparately needs doing that he has no chance of doing? My brain hurts...

[Immenseman]

He is the reason (---MAD---) why we have declining numbers now, nobody new lasted under his regime, which explains that as we have lost users over the past year or so since he left, those who should of replaced them never did, because they either were banned under him or thought 'sod it' because it was run like a police state.

On the actual solution, skins aren't even a part of it - we need to get on Habbo and get people back, us sitting on here with nice skins and badges on the forum won't win anybody back.

I don't believe that at all. He was GM in 07, loads of current members joined in 07. You don't see any new people from 09 unless it's old people on a new account. More people stayed then than they did now. It's just a myth that he banned people willy nilly as far as I'm concerned. He had favourites, so did 8f8, so does nvr. It happens.


I can't get my head round that. If he's too ill to do his job as GM then why has he taken up a job that desparately needs doing that he has no chance of doing? My brain hurts...

Bloody Americans! :P

[The Professor]

He is the reason (---MAD---) why we have declining numbers now, nobody new lasted under his regime, which explains that as we have lost users over the past year or so since he left, those who should of replaced them never did, because they either were banned under him or thought 'sod it' because it was run like a police state.

On the actual solution, skins aren't even a part of it - we need to get on Habbo and get people back, us sitting on here with nice skins and badges on the forum won't win anybody back.

I disagree with every aspect of that post, what he did 3 years ago has nothing to do with numbers now. And skins are a vital part of it, first impressions are vital and if we look dated and boring the first impression is "stuff this, clubhabbo is shiny".

[Sammeth.]

I can't get my head round that. If he's too ill to do his job as GM then why has he taken up a job that desparately needs doing that he has no chance of doing? My brain hurts...

I think that at the moment its just a matter of finding suitable replacements. I would say at the moment the position of CAGM and GM will be the hardest to fill (the only ones that really need filling). They are difficult jobs and its all about finding the right person, and I think we're just trying to scrape in whatever manpower we can get till we do.

[Inseriousity.]

As your avatar suggests Alex, your brain can't hurt that bad :p

I'll just point out the 'daily competitions' that jake mentioned as it concerns my department... oh and the 'I was informed that general management would take a back seat and let the department managers have the final say' because that involves me as well. :)

While daily competitions are idealistic, I think repeating things constantly ruins the novelty of such things. That being said, there are times in the competitions calendar where these things do happen. For example, from today to the 10th or something, there is a competition each day because that's just how it worked out.

As for the general management taking a back seat, I think they've took too much of a back seat tbh. Yes I agree that department managers should have the final say over most things (excluding a few) but the AGMs need to start getting their hands dirty and digging in. This is obviously mainly due to Catszy being away that my department has had no AGM-feedback since she left (which is a shame because she'd have been an amazing AGM tbh). I dunno if the content departments are suffering the same though as infrequent is very active. I would back MattGarner for the role of AGM Community seen as he's very nice :)

[Robbie]

I dunno if the content departments are suffering the same though as infrequent is very active. I would back MattGarner for the role of AGM Community seen as he's very nice :)

I agree with these, Jake is great and uploads stuff as soon as he's sent it and he's great to talk to. Same with Matt, Matt was the first person to congratulate me when I got Forum Moderator and since then we've spoken a lot, I reckon he'd be good as CAGM

[Hecktix]

MattGarner is a pretty awesome community/people person.

[Immenseman]

I'm so good at this. Persuaded you all already. Obviously, Matt might prefer to stay on as FM or whatever and want tio improve things. AGM is a promotion in my opinion and we know he's trusted with Admin positions etc so it's not an issue as far as that is concerned.

[GoldenMerc]

to be honest i agree.

None of them are suitable which is why nvr had to take it. That's the wrong decision too though. No managers (department wise) really integrate with the community in terms of posting and getting involved in and around the forum. They have to bite the bullet and appoint someone controversial, -:Undertaker:-, GommeInc, FlyingJesus, MattG. Just a few names who I personally think would do a good job.

Personally this is what I would do:

GM - split between the next few for the time being. just have jin in charge for the last word type thing
AGM content - infrequent
AGM staff - Sammeth.
AGM community - MattGarner
Forum Manager - Garion
Assistant Forum Manager - Robbie/Invincible

his obviously isn't me just saying friends names (obv as i put oli there ;l :P) as I don't talk to the majority of those people. I think Matt would be much better as AGM Community. He is suited to the role. Obviously, that's just me and I have no influence whatsoever. That would work better in my opinion.

edit; ok sam. didn't know that was the plan.

[Inseriousity.]

I'm so good at this. Persuaded you all already. Obviously, Matt might prefer to stay on as FM or whatever and want tio improve things. AGM is a promotion in my opinion and we know he's trusted with Admin positions etc so it's not an issue as far as that is concerned.

We all thought the same thing anyway so there wasn't much persuasion needed tbh. -bursts bubble- :P

[Immenseman]

Oh, way to shoot me down Mike. I thought I was onto a brain wave (my first one ever) thinking he'd be good in that role :( :P

[Jamesy]

On the actual solution, skins aren't even a part of it - we need to get on Habbo and get people back, us sitting on here with nice skins and badges on the forum won't win anybody back.

What's the first thing people see when they log on? Classic skin that is very much an insider joke. Face it we do look crap compared to other sites. Classic should always stay, but should be sidelined for a sexy theme that will make it inviting to people to sign up and use - which I am aware of vB4 as I had a go at making a simple skin for Jin, just taking a while with all my other work (non hxf).

anyway, in agreement MattyG is pretty amazing when it comes to people. Nicest fella I've seen in a while online :8

[xxMATTGxx]

We all thought the same thing anyway so there wasn't much persuasion needed tbh. -bursts bubble- :P


Oh, way to shoot me down Mike. I thought I was onto a brain wave (my first one ever) thinking he'd be good in that role :( :P

You really had to burst his bubble didn't you Mike? :P

[GoldenMerc]

even tho i hate matt, he works hard so him prob for agm. den sexy boy garion for fm then maybe robbie for afm

[Robbie]

even tho i hate matt, he works hard so him prob for agm. den sexy boy garion for fm then maybe robbie for afm

*+* kisses *+*

ty ross.

[Immenseman]

even tho i hate matt, he works hard so him prob for agm. den sexy boy garion for fm then maybe robbie for afm
swear someone posted this few posts ago ;l :D

[Black_Apalachi]

There will probably be about five more pages of posts between me reading all those and then posting this but here goes :P.


... Another point is that management do not use Habbo. OK, sierk that's fine - he hasn't for years - not an issue. Now, all other fansites which have more influence on Habbo have management who are followed and adored. I don't think you realise how influential well known Habbos actually are on the client. For example, Paul and Soph are well known on the UK and they got their site official status just through advertising. I hate their site yet people use it just because of their "fame" or whatever. CH has SkaterChu, the most well known Habbo, as well as Jemmwah and Barmi. HFFM has Carnio etc. Habbox has nobody who even uses Habbo on a regular basis. It used to, no longer. Other sites know this is a way to aid their site, Habbox hasn't clocked on to this because the site in general is so conservative. I know you won't ever change this because it goes against what did work (from 04-08) and you think you can turn it around by altering forum rules on a weekly basis.

...

It doesn't have to be someone who is management at the moment - someone who is active and enjoys the forum. ...

Hint hint ;). Seriously though, that's probably the biggest point. As you say all the other big fansites have well known representatives on Habbo daily. Although last time I was on Habbo, Jin and Matt seemed to be regularly active, a bigger presence is needed on the client from Habbox management. I'm not sure who holds the two fansite rep badges for Habbox, but if Sierk has one, it's pretty pointless.

I know the forum badges idea was only an example and I always admired it on ClubHabbo, but if that was to be implemented I think a lot of care would need to be taken in order to avoid making it a blatant copy of them otherwise it would just look stupid.


to be fair I would really like FlyingJesus to be part of higher management as he always has a very fair and well thought out approach to things and the thought process behind his points are always logical. He also was promised a job when that pointless community department closed down but nothing came to fruition (I dont know if I used that word in the right context, but its such a cute word).

How can you say this? :S In a discussion involving you, you were unhappy about a comment I directed towards him yet you completely overlooked a similar comment he directed at me immediately before! He may provide some well-constructed and valid posts, but I'm afraid favouritism isn't healthy for Habbox.

Edit: Regarding the point about highest posters, the poor statistics are influenced by the fact I've been at the top for the past month or something :S because I like to think I'm not one of those people that post one word posts in every thread, so there should easily be people beating me to a pulp on that list :P.

[GoldenMerc]

callie says so, hush ya gums mr immense

Edited by invincible (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't post pointlessly.

[Immenseman]

Hint hint ;). Seriously though, that's probably the biggest point. As you say all the other big fansites have well known representatives on Habbo daily. Although last time I was on Habbo, Jin and Matt seemed to be regularly active, a bigger presence is needed on the client from Habbox management. I'm not sure who holds the two fansite rep badges for Habbox, but if Sierk has one, it's pretty pointless.

Aha, they'd rather have Laggings than me! :P Certainly not top of the list anyway ;) The fansite rep badges is a good point. They now give out three. Nvrspk4 and Sierk have two of these, Jin having the third. Source: http://www.habbo.co.uk/groups/official_fansites Nvr and Sierk don't use Habbo. Jin, Jess and dogboy123 or something would be a better selection.


callie says so, hush ya gums mr immense
she's dead

[GoldenMerc]

oli was that just to get another point added to your mod log 8-)
never the less callie surely has a vote ere shes ex hotel manager.
never the less rosie obviously is dead or up there in the clouds (no joke)

[Immenseman]

Edit: Regarding the point about highest posters, the poor statistics are influenced by the fact I've been at the top for the past month or something :S because I like to think I'm not one of those people that post one word posts in every thread, so there should easily be people beating me to a pulp on that list :P.

That's because I've been banned for a month. We all know I will be right back into that slot because I like to contribute. I've tried today to be constructive and made like 100 posts I think, lmao :$. There are a few open topics which I've been told hasn't been the case recently. When I get the people who haven't posted much over the last month back on the forum then the forum will be a lot more active :)

I don't want to make out like some people have said earlier in the thread that I'm the lone cause for posting but I did make around 1/10th of the weekly posts. Anyway, I don't want to go on about that. I personally think it just takes a few users who actively post and move on discussion to change the forum in an instant.

[Hecktix]

That's because I've been banned for a month. We all know I will be right back into that slot because I like to contribute. I've tried today to be constructive and made like 100 posts I think, lmao :$. There are a few open topics which I've been told hasn't been the case recently. When I get the people who haven't posted much over the last month back on the forum then the forum will be a lot more active :)

I don't want to make out like some people have said earlier in the thread that I'm the lone cause for posting but I did make around 1/10th of the weekly posts. Anyway, I don't want to go on about that. I personally think it just takes a few users who actively post and move on discussion to change the forum in an instant.

It has been nice to have a wide variety of open topics :)

[Sammeth.]

How can you say this? :S In a discussion involving you, you were unhappy about a comment I directed towards him yet you completely overlooked a similar comment he directed at me immediately before! He may provide some well-constructed and valid posts, but I'm afraid favouritism isn't healthy for Habbox.

I dunno, pretty easily I guess since its my opinion :S I don't really recall what you're on about with the second point. I'll be honest, although Im very good friends with Tom, I do actually disagree with him sometimes. Its a shocker I know, but even when he puts across points I disagree with it doesn't detract from the fact they are put across incredibly well and he weighs in both factors, which is an ideal characteristic for someone in say a forum management role. Its not favouritism, its just the truth. I also think invincible would be a good candidate for forum management, and I get on with him. Its not favouritism just because I happen to like someone and also happen to think they would be good for a particular role. Its not as if FlyingJesus would be someone out of the blue to pick for a management role seeing as he was management previously and actually does a pretty good job at it.

I don't think your negative opinion on me should detract from my work ethic, as I'm always fair in my approach and as Staff AGM I have to be.

[StefanWolves]

Normally I'm up their to. But I really haven't bothered for the past couple of months, it has been unbelievably quiet. Hopefully other people can come back, never thought I'd say it, but unban Minstrels too.

[Hecktix]

Normally I'm up their to. But I really haven't bothered for the past couple of months, it has been unbelievably quiet. Hopefully other people can come back, never thought I'd say it, but unban Minstrels too.

He isn't on a permanent ban.

[Black_Apalachi]

That's because I've been banned for a month. We all know I will be right back into that slot because I like to contribute. I've tried today to be constructive and made like 100 posts I think, lmao :$. There are a few open topics which I've been told hasn't been the case recently. When I get the people who haven't posted much over the last month back on the forum then the forum will be a lot more active :)

I don't want to make out like some people have said earlier in the thread that I'm the lone cause for posting but I did make around 1/10th of the weekly posts. Anyway, I don't want to go on about that. I personally think it just takes a few users who actively post and move on discussion to change the forum in an instant.

To be fair, you have made a lot of nice and interesting threads on your first day back which is exactly the kind of thing that is needed to encourage people to join in :).

[GommeInc]

I'm so good at this. Persuaded you all already. Obviously, Matt might prefer to stay on as FM or whatever and want tio improve things. AGM is a promotion in my opinion and we know he's trusted with Admin positions etc so it's not an issue as far as that is concerned.
DON'T SAY THAT! :O You don't want to get in trouble for being "manipulative" ...again :P

I can't think of what MattGarner has done community wise, but then again there are no other front runners other than Garion, but he's with the forum side of things :/

[GoldenMerc]

how about be for agm kk

[StefanWolves]

He isn't on a permanent ban.
I was on about Minstrels the account. He'd certainly post more if his account 'Minstrels' was unbanned. Didn't he have like 15,000 posts on that account?

[Sammeth.]

how about be for agm kk
trying to improve the forum here m8

[Robbie]

I was on about Minstrels the account. He'd certainly post more if his account 'Minstrels' was unbanned. Didn't he have like 15,000 posts on that account?

*REMOVED*

Edit by Sammeth (Assistant General Manager): Please don't divulge confidential information, such as ban details.

[Immenseman]

So surely if he asked for it to be removed, you would? Obviously, it's not up to me and like I said single users don't make the difference. People like him and Wootzeh only caused trouble in my opinion anyway and them being banned is no great loss. Not like they had a high amount of referrals or weekly posts or anything exciting.

[Robbie]

So surely if he asked for it to be removed, you would? Obviously, it's not up to me and like I said single users don't make the difference. People like him and Wootzeh only caused trouble in my opinion anyway and them being banned is no great loss. Not like they had a high amount of referrals or weekly posts or anything exciting.

I personally would unban him as his ban wasn't supposed to be a permanent one, that said it's not down to me.

[StefanWolves]

Wootzeh was a great member :S he contributed a lot. He didn't cause arguments really, that was Clowgon.

[Immenseman]

Which is why he had 4 or whatever permed accounts which must be like 40+ infractions since the turn of the year. That is causing trouble. Anyway, it's not to discuss them, them or no other individual are going to make the forum an interesting place to be again, it has to be the community working together with the senior management.

[Hecktix]

Wootzeh was a great member :S he contributed a lot. He didn't cause arguments really, that was Clowgon.

I don't think this is the time to be throwing accusations around about what members have and haven't done.

If a member has been banned they've been banned and that cannot be mentioned further on the forum.

On topic of management suggestions, unfortunately Habbox is not a democracy (it would be interesting if it was) and the decision of who to hire in higher management rests with Jin and Sierk I guess, moreso Jin, obviously with input of the other AGMs, however I'm certain they'll take note of what the members have suggested.

[Immenseman]

Yeah, absolutely. There is no way Habbox should be a democracy, wouldn't even dream of suggesting that as it just wouldn't work. However, if we can put in suggestions and then senior might see the thinking behind our choices and agree with them or whatever. We know the decision is down to them and it wouldn't work any other way. I mentioned it in the topic because things aren't going to improve until there is a stable management team who can all work together to sort things out. The people I suggested would do this in their suitable roles as far as I'm concerned. Obviously, Jin/Nvr will make the decisions as and when they see fit.

[Robbie]

Lol, can you imagine this forum as a democracy. Voting on rule changes is great but lol imagine who'd be in management :P

[GoldenMerc]

id be owner at this rate

[Robbie]

id be owner at this rate

You're habbcrazy manager so dm

[Hecktix]

Yeah, absolutely. There is no way Habbox should be a democracy, wouldn't even dream of suggesting that as it just wouldn't work. However, if we can put in suggestions and then senior might see the thinking behind our choices and agree with them or whatever. We know the decision is down to them and it wouldn't work any other way. I mentioned it in the topic because things aren't going to improve until there is a stable management team who can all work together to sort things out. The people I suggested would do this in their suitable roles as far as I'm concerned. Obviously, Jin/Nvr will make the decisions as and when they see fit.

I think that members discussing things like this is a good idea, naturally Jin/nvr can see who is good at their job when it comes down to the basics, for instance to look at the basic achievement of a moderator, you'd look at their mod logs, if you want to see the basic achievement of a manager, you'd take a brief look at how well their department is running however what Jin/Nvr don't see is the public perception of these people. Where excelling in the basic necessities that are part of your job is important, so is the public perception of that person - especially if they are being promoted to management.

Therefore comments like the ones you make, are useful, then again whether Jin/nvr choose to take them on board or not is another thing.

Sorry if this seems confusing and poorly written, I'm quite tired.

[Immenseman]

Lol, can you imagine this forum as a democracy. Voting on rule changes is great but lol imagine who'd be in management :P
I reckon it'd actually be people who have had senior positions in the past. :P


id be owner at this rate
brb going on hhgs

[Robbie]

I reckon it'd actually be people who have had senior positions in the past. :P

Man we'd have to get the army in to stop election rigging

[Immenseman]

LMAO immensemugabe_x

[Inseriousity.]

brb going on hhgs

I was going to use that joke. Is this revenge for bursting your bubble?
I agree with invincible even though some of it seems like babble cos he's tired (although that probably would have meant I wouldn't have become manager seen as 3.5 quarters of the forum don't know me :( so I'm digging myself a hole).

[Hecktix]

I was going to use that joke. Is this revenge for bursting your bubble?
I agree with invincible even though some of it seems like babble cos he's tired (although that probably would have meant I wouldn't have become manager seen as 3.5 quarters of the forum don't know me :( so I'm digging myself a hole).

yeah actually, who are you:S:S:S:S:S:S:S :P

I just hope that some of the points in this thread are listened to.

I know Matt & Garion have taken some suggestions from this thread to alter the way we moderate, however it's gonna take more than a few tweeks to moderation to sort things out :P

[Robbie]

LMAO immensemugabe_x

Heard he was AGM once, dno tho :S

[The Professor]

I'll tell you what keeping the thread on topic for 200+ posts on this forum is not easy, congrats guys :D

But unfortunately... http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/members/vertigo+paris/albums/misc+pics-36/thread-derail-1953.jpg

[Robbie]

In conclusion, a lot of members have said their peice and lets just hope that senior management read it and take some of it on board :D

[Immenseman]

Heard he was AGM once, dno tho :S
Not sure either, he never mentions it :eusa_wall

I'll tell you what keeping the thread on topic for 200+ posts on this forum is not easy, congrats guys :D

But unfortunately... http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/members/vertigo+paris/albums/misc+pics-36/thread-derail-1953.jpg

Just the way we like it though.

[The Professor]

Tbh i've just been looking for an excuse to put that picture in a thread for weeks, finally got it :D

[FlyingJesus]

I'll tell you what keeping the thread on topic for 200+ posts on this forum is not easy, congrats guys :D

But unfortunately... http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/members/vertigo+paris/albums/misc+pics-36/thread-derail-1953.jpg

Had to happen sooner or later :P I think unless people have more actual suggestions (rather than just "_______ should be GM" and such which isn't our call) we've just gotta sit back and wait now. Any more spam-like discussion is just going to bury all the good points raised which won't be good for anyone except maybe Dan who hates everything.

[Smits]

Well, i think the forums been better the last few days, mainly because is ee more active threads on the front page, and not just lots of thank yous and spam.

[Nixt]

I dunno, pretty easily I guess since its my opinion :S I don't really recall what you're on about with the second point. I'll be honest, although Im very good friends with Tom, I do actually disagree with him sometimes. Its a shocker I know, but even when he puts across points I disagree with it doesn't detract from the fact they are put across incredibly well and he weighs in both factors, which is an ideal characteristic for someone in say a forum management role. Its not favouritism, its just the truth. I also think invincible would be a good candidate for forum management, and I get on with him. Its not favouritism just because I happen to like someone and also happen to think they would be good for a particular role. Its not as if FlyingJesus would be someone out of the blue to pick for a management role seeing as he was management previously and actually does a pretty good job at it.

I don't think your negative opinion on me should detract from my work ethic, as I'm always fair in my approach and as Staff AGM I have to be.

To be fair I have to agree, I regularly approach Tom in regard to new things I am implementing on the forum to get his opinion because I think he presents a valid and intelligent response which enables me to improve my changes where necessary. I think he'd make an excellent member of staff.

[GoldenMerc]

I was going to use that joke. Is this revenge for bursting your bubble?
I agree with invincible even though some of it seems like babble cos he's tired (although that probably would have meant I wouldn't have become manager seen as 3.5 quarters of the forum don't know me :( so I'm digging myself a hole).

yet u used to beg for jobs sir.

[StefanWolves]

I reckon I should be FM. :rolleyes:

[Black_Apalachi]

... I don't think your negative opinion on me should detract from my work ethic, as I'm always fair in my approach and as Staff AGM I have to be.

That's just it! It is your work ethic in the particular case I mentioned that I have a negative opinion on. I don't see how you 'don't get it' because what you were unhappy about me saying to him, is pretty much exactly what he said to me in the previous post yet you didn't seem to care. Of course, I am assuming you read the previous posts in that thread since I was the one being complained at for not doing that very thing!!!! (even though I did read them :rolleyes:).

[FlyingJesus]

he always has a very fair and well thought out approach to things and the thought process behind his points are always logical.
How can you say this? :S In a discussion involving you, you were unhappy about a comment I directed towards him yet you completely overlooked a similar comment he directed at me immediately before! He may provide some well-constructed and valid posts, but I'm afraid favouritism isn't healthy for Habbox.

Just to clear my own name, I can't see how the supposed actions of another member would possibly give reason to deny that I possess the attributes as Sam claimed. That's like saying Messi isn't a good footballer if one of his supporters misses an open goal.

[Black_Apalachi]

Because your post was the same as mine which he claimed was rude, therefore yours must have been rude also. Like I said, you may well have numerous well thought out and constructive posts (and I agree you do), I was just getting at the fact that in this instance I couldn't help feeling I was being ganged up upon.

[Titch]

Tom for gm.

Mattg for agm (community)

Garion for fm.

Robbie for afm.

That wud be cool (Y)

[GommeInc]

Oh dear, just seen the Debates Forum announcement. Prepare for a distinct lack of taste when official debates are mentioned. Should go with the other plan and just pick out interesting debates made by members in the members debate forum, and give the creator of said debate the VIP when the debate is in full swing :/ Management Debates just add a needless rift between members and management, and the debates management make are rarely as interesting (seeing as they died for a reason first time round).

Did they not read this thread with the feedback on that idea? Why should they suggest "competitive" debates when they can just post them themselves? Doesn't seem very thought through to be honest :/

[Hecktix]

Oh dear, just seen the Debates Forum announcement. Prepare for a distinct lack of taste when official debates are mentioned. Should go with the other plan and just pick out interesting debates made by members in the members debate forum, and give the creator of said debate the VIP when the debate is in full swing :/ Management Debates just add a needless rift between members and management, and the debates management make are rarely as interesting (seeing as they died for a reason first time round).

Did they not read this thread with the feedback on that idea? Why should they suggest "competitive" debates when they can just post them themselves? Doesn't seem very thought through to be honest :/

As I backed you previously with this idea, I'll back you again now (even though i'll probably get told off by garion :( )

This certainly would make members feel more involved as well as making them feel more important.

[Chippiewill]

As I backed you previously with this idea, I'll back you again now (even though i'll probably get told off by garion :( )

This certainly would make members feel more involved as well as making them feel more important.

I am also in support of the idea....

[GommeInc]

Well, according to Garion the idea is fool proof and is "clean and simple". It's not simple at all, members suggest an idea, and have to wait for ages until whoever is incharge to post it. Simple is doing something with little effort, not forcing discussions to halt while a member of management takes a week to Google information about something they probably do not care about, at least the person who suggested the idea probably cares about the subject, otherwise, why did they post it?

And another thing, the person who suggested it probably has reason to, and can put forward the debate better than a management member using "Google". This idea will just crash and burn like the first time it happened, the person in charge will lose all passion for it (as they would, they're not the ones caring and the discussions, it's the member behind the suggestion who does) and the debates will turn tedious, like they did with the old system. I really don't see how it can work, and just adds a divide in the community, again, all so they win VIP which is a silly reason, all that effort and waiting for VIP? Might as well reduce effort and pick out an interesting debate and mark it as official because it shows good qualities, and give the creator of the debate a reward and maybe even the person putting forward a good case.

As said, this doesn't appear to of been discussed between management and members, and was just commissioned for the sake of it :/

[The Professor]

I disagree with it purely because I know management will do it for a month and forget about it, not saying anything about them as people but its so low down the priority list in the grand scheme of things! Look how the last one died :(

[Immenseman]

I do agree with them being independent. Maybe just not done by management. I do believe there has to be someone "in charge" of official debates to see over them and pick a few users who have contributed the best over the week. I don't want to turn this about me but that's how it's done on CHF and it works very well. I do the debates, I contribute constructively, have no other role to worry about and then pick those who have participated and offered quality contributions. Users get involved on there by suggesting what the weekly debate can be etc. I think management like Alex said won't be able to prioritise it. I'd like to see someone who cares for debates and has nothing else to worry about. The two who have posted above, Alex and Ryan would be fantastic for this role (I know it's not up to me). This is what I'd like to see happen anyway. :)

[Robbie]

I'm not a huge fan of the debates forum idea, for the simple reason that if someone has a good idea they can simply make it in member-created debates rather than having to wait for management to create it.

EDITTTT: Maybe it would be better if members created debates in the member creation forum and then if management like it it can be moved to official debates. More time debating less time waiting!

[GommeInc]

I do agree with them being independent. Maybe just not done by management. I do believe there has to be someone "in charge" of official debates to see over them and pick a few users who have contributed the best over the week. I don't want to turn this about me but that's how it's done on CHF and it works very well. I do the debates, I contribute constructively, have no other role to worry about and then pick those who have participated and offered quality contributions. Users get involved on there by suggesting what the weekly debate can be etc. I think management like Alex said won't be able to prioritise it. I'd like to see someone who cares for debates and has nothing else to worry about. The two who have posted above, Alex and Ryan would be fantastic for this role (I know it's not up to me). This is what I'd like to see happen anyway. :)
Someone's gonna get snoo snoo tonight ;)

I'm on an imaginary do not hire list anyway. And how does CHF do it? Do they write the debates themselves (like HxF did before) or do they just pick out member debates?


I'm not a huge fan of the debates forum idea, for the simple reason that if someone has a good idea they can simply make it in member-created debates rather than having to wait for management to create it.
Exactly, the ony thing that seems to hold this idea together is the VIP reward, but surely they could give this to people who create the debates, not just a one sentence suggestion as seems to be suggested?

[Immenseman]

On CHF, the debates are written by the debates leader on a weekly basis. They often take ideas from users in a stickied thread at the top of the debates forum called "Suggest debates here" or something similar. About not being hired, nvr told me even *I* would allowed to be hired if I behaved (yes he acknowledged my recent ban in this) Not that I have any interest but if I can then you certainly can :lol: